Want a lot of fun? Blast away with a real Walther PPK/S!

By B.B. Pelletier

There aren’t many semiauto BB guns around, and there are even fewer BB guns that recoil when shot, but the Walther PPK/S is one that does both. It’s a unique air pistol that sells for a surprisingly small amount of money!

The name is Bond. James Bond.
That was the famous introduction of Ian Fleming’s principal character. And, for many decades, his “go-to” gun was a Walther PPK in 7.65mm (.32 ACP). The “/S” in the gun’s model name comes from American gun import laws that at one time specified a grip for handguns just a bit longer than the PPK. So the “S” (for U.S., as I understand it) was added and the grip was lengthened to become legal for American’s import.

Now, it’s an airgun, too!
A few years ago, Umarex, the company that owns Walther, started making this CO2 pistol with the Walther logo. Most of the guns they make are copies of firearms, but because they also make the PPK/S firearm, this little pistol is just as REAL as a .380 or a .32. That means Walther pistol collectors need to add this air pistol so they’ll have all the models Walther ever made!

Even better news – you don’t have to be a Walther collecter to get something out of this PPK/S, because everyone who shoots it gets a boatload of fun! The stick magazine holds 15 steel BBs in a stack, and you can fire them as fast as your finger can pull the trigger. VERY FEW BB guns or other airguns, outside of airsoft, allow this kind of operation! One of the few pistols that could do this was made in the 1960s by Crosman. The 677 Plink-O-Matic BB pistol, which was a sister to Crosman’s famous 600 pellet pistol, was never a good seller and now commands a hefty price that reflects its scarcity. Lucky for you, the PPK/S isn’t expensive, is readily available and just as much fun to shoot! In fact, it even has some features the 677 was lacking – like realistic recoil and the facility to be disassembled!

Some of the CO2 goes toward operating the slide, so power might be a bit lower than some other CO2 pistols. Also, the barrel is short (remember my post about how barrel length affects velocity in CO2 guns?), so this is not a long-range gun. But, at 15 to 25 feet, you can have a ball shooting at a Shoot-N-C target. Each BB that tears through the target leaves a really bright mark. When you’re shooting rapid fire, this is exciting!

It’s also fun to remove the magazine and fire the gun without BBs, just to watch it recoil. The magazine has a hold-open feature after the last BB is shot, so you have to remove it or the gun will only fire once and the slide will lock in the open position.

Not only is this a really fun gun that YOU need to try, it makes a wonderful gift (Father’s Day is June 19!) because it is so reasonably priced. I especially like to see the first reaction of a veteran shooter who is unaware of this gun’s existence!

At least one reader of the Pyramyd Air Report LOVES his PPK/S. What about the rest of you?

179 thoughts on “Want a lot of fun? Blast away with a real Walther PPK/S!

  1. I wanted to ask users of the Pyramyd Air website if any had attempted to use a coupon distributed at any gun show in the Colorado/Utah/Arizona/New Mexico region. If so, was it successful?




  2. Amazing gun… Just got one. Simply taking out the mag and shooting at absolutely nothing, while looking at the ejection port… For 60 bucks, get it!




  3. BB

    I just got a Walther PPK/S. I bought it for it’s blowback feature.

    I looked at the “field stripping” instructions in Pyramid’s online manual. Where it says to lower the trigger guard in order to successfully lift off the slide – it doesn’t work! The trigger guard does not swing down to release the slide action.

    Are the instructions wrong? Is the Walther strippable? Or do I have a defective unit?

    Thx Attila


  4. Attila,

    The instructions are correct.

    1. Put the safety on.

    2. Remove the magazine.

    3. Try this – if you are right-handed, hold the gun by the slide in your right hand. Now grasp the front of the triggerguard with your left thumb and index finger and pull foreward and down. It should lower easily that way.

    Be caruful when you remove the slide that the silver magazine detector (disconnector?) on the left side of the frame does not pop out of place. If it does, look for the pin hole abobe the trigger pivot pin.

    B.B.


  5. A little correction. As of January 2005, per Crosman request Umarex started putting pins that go across the trigger guard thus preventing you from easily disassembling the air pistol. This was done becaue thousands of these were (and currently are) sold at Walmart. Inexperienced customers would take their PPK’s apart and could not put them together (lots of returns for perfectly fine guns).

    Well, you can still do take the gun a part but you would first have to push the pin out of the trigger guard. You cannot do it with bare hands (would need a tool of some sort and hammer). This, of course, removes half of the fun (and voids the warranty, probably)…

    Pyramyd Air


  6. Pyramyd Air,

    Thank you SO MUCH! My two PPK/S pistols are older than the change, so I was unaware of why the reader had a disassembly problem. Knowing this clears up so much!

    B.B.


  7. Well this clears up a problem for me as well. I bought a PPK from another company a few months back that disassembled fine, but when the slide jammmed up after a few weeks, I sent it back for a replacement. When I got the new one, it wouldn’t field strip. Now I know why. What a shame to alter such a great feature!

    In the meantime, I bought another PPK with laser, from Pyramid. I also had to get a replacement for this one after only firin two clips through it – for the opposite problem! The two small allen screws that hold the trigger guard/laser against the frame aren’t strong enough to keep the trigger guard where it belongs. The result is that the weight of the laser, combined with pulling the trigger (and pulling back against the trigger guard) will drops the trigger guard in mid shot and the slide comes flying off!

    The very first time this happened, a chunk of the trigger guard broke off when the slide came flying back and off the gun. I’m more careful with the replacement, and I retighten the guard every few clips and so far it hasn’t happened again, but it’s a problem customers shouldn’t have to deal with.

    What the manufacturer should have done was drill two small holes in the frame so the allen screws would stay in, instead of just resting them against the frame. The the gun would stay together until you want to disassemble it.

    The PPK is a great fun gun, but it has some drawbacks. I’m going to go ahead and remove the pin on the one that doesn’t strip down so I can take it apart, but I do have a couple of questions.

    1. Once the pin is remved from the ‘non-stripper’, does it have to be reinserted before firing, or will the guard stay up without it?

    2. Can anything be done about the problem with the PPK/laser guard coming down when it shouldn’t?

    Picker


  8. After reading the info provided here, I went ahead and removed the pin from my PPK. It now field strips just fine for cleaning, etc. I also ran a few clips through it without the pin and it worked just fine. You don’t need the pin in to keep the trigger guard where it belongs, but if you do remove it, I’d keep it handy in the event you have to return the gun for a malfunction of some kind.

    SOT


  9. SOT,

    Thank you for BOTH comments. I now know a little more about the PPK/S.

    I’m going to recommend to Pyramyd Air that your comments be relayed to Umarex, so they can read them, as well. They are the ones who designed the gun.

    B.B.


  10. The PPK/S is a beautiful gun except for that ugly knob on the bottom. Has anyone tried to replace the knob with something else? I was thinking of a shorter threaded bolt with an allen head fitting in the bottom so it would be closer to the frame when it’s tightened down. I wouldn’t mind keeping an allen wrench in my gun case. How is the cupped plate on the screw attached?

    Kuug


  11. Hi BB

    Actually… re: the PPK’s locking pin in the trigger guard whcih we discussed – it is a VERY bad idea!

    I just bought mine a month ago from Pyramid and after some use my unit started to leak CO2! If you put it against your ear you could hear the hissing sound of the escaping gas.

    I had the pin removed by a local gun shop and ONLY then was I able to figure out why it was leaking. The gas was leaking from the valve that releases the gas. But only after I was able to remove the slide was I able to squirt a bit of oil into the valve which stopped the leaking!

    So I think it’s very unfortunate that CROSMAN had UMAREX/WALTHER lock the trigger guard because it makes it impossible to service or lubricate.

    Attila


  12. Man O’ Man! I am so glad I found this info. I’ve been on the net for hours to try to find a manual. I found one but it didn’t mention anything about a pin. Thanks for all the help guys. Also if anyone can get me an exact print diagram it would be really great. The instruction and assembly diagram was not in the package that I bought.(used gun)
    Please email me @ kenjol1@gmail.com Thanks,
    Ken


  13. Ken,

    I don’t know if anyone can help you with a diagram beyond what is in the manual. By the way, at the site that hosts this blog there are quite a few airgun manuals, including one for the PPK/S.

    Go to http://www.pyramydair.com

    and scroll to the bottom of the page. Click on Manuals to see what they have. The manuals page sometimes takes a long time to open completely, so be patient.

    B.B.


  14. Hi,
    Can anybody detail the process of removing the lock pin for field stripping? I would like to do this but am reluctant to start attacking the gun with a punch and hammer. Does the pin come out relatively easily or is it tight in there? If it taps out easily then I’m keen to do this.





  15. There is absolutely NO need to field-strip a PPK/S. And, being a BB gun, it is not the most accurate of airguns. Expect 2-inch groups at 20 feet. But at 15 feet, shooting into a Shoot-N-C target, this gun is a lot of fun!

    B.B.




  16. BB

    Thought that pin needed to come out! Can we get the manual on Pyramydair to reflect the change?

    http://www.pyramydair.com/site/manuals/ppks/field_stripping.shtml

    “Field stripping
    Engage the safety and remove the magazine. Swing down the trigger guard and hold it in this position. Pull slide back, lift it up and remove it to the front. Assembly of the pistol is in reverse order. Make sure that the main spring is assembled in the right way, the side with the narrow coils is to be put onto the barrel (fig.7).”

    Ray






  17. The PPK/S is a beautiful gun except for that ugly knob on the bottom. Has anyone tried to replace the knob with something else? I was thinking of a shorter threaded bolt with an allen head fitting in the bottom so it would be closer to the frame when it’s tightened down. I wouldn’t mind keeping an allen wrench in my gun case. How is the cupped plate on the screw attached?


  18. Is it just me or does it seem like there’s still CO2 left after the hammer stops automatically cocking? Also, when I put a new CO2 cartridge in, it takes some play before I get the gun going. Do I need to return my gun?


  19. There’s nothing wrong with your gun. When the last of the liquid CO2 has evaporated, the remaining gas pressure drops quickly. At some point, it will not cycle the slide, though there will still be pressure in the gun. This is normal.

    B.B.


  20. My slide sticks a quarter inch from the front. Oil doesn’t help. My friends does the same. Do I need to take it in, or is it defective.


  21. I just received my PPK/S in the mail from Pyramyd and I have a question. During the very first cartridge I shot only 2 1/2 clips and then the gun wouldn’t shoot. I would pull the trigger and the slide wouldn’t move and the hammer wouldn’t cock. If I cock the hammer manually I could get a few more shots before the gun stopped shooting. Is there something wrong with it? I shot the clips slowly. Can you please help?



  22. PPK/S,

    What you describe SOUNDS like a gun that’s been assembled incorrectly. The thin steel link between the trigger and the hammer is missing. That’s why you can still cock the gun manually – because that link doesn’t affect the sear, only the double-action firing.

    There is no way for the link to fall out of the gun, so it must be broken inside. I think the gun has to be returned.

    If, on the other hand, you had a leaky powerlet, as Ben suggests, the solution is simple. Next powerlet gets a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil and the problem goes away. Have you tried that?

    B.B.


  23. Thank you both for your responses. Unfortunately, I mis-stated the problem slightly and I apologize for any confusion. The line should read “If I cock the hammer manually I could get a few more shots in ‘repeater’ mode before the gun stopped shooting.” Kind of sounds like the leaky/defective powerlet might be my problem. I did add a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil on the tip of the first powerlet before loading it into the pistol. How tightly should the screw be turned when loading a new powerlet? How can a powerlet be defective and is there a way of looking at one and identifying a defect?


  24. Thanks for clearing that up.

    I agree that it was the powerlet. You don’t need to screw the screw tight. Once the powerlet is punctured, turn another quarter turn and stop.

    The powerlet could have been low from the factory. That happens about as often as a new dry cell battery with a low charge. Not very often. And impossible to see from the outside.

    The powerlet could have had such an uneven surface on the small flat end that the seal was incapable of sealing it completely. That one I suspect more. A dropped powerlet could get a nick that would cause that sort of problem.

    At any rate, how is the gun doing now?

    B.B.


  25. I loaded a second powerlet, pulled back the slide and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened except for the hammer uncocking. No popping sound. I cocked the pistol several times and pull the trigger with no popping sound except for one time it did pop but then nothing as I pulled the trigger again. As I loosened the screw slowly in order to take out the powerlet it had a lot of CO2 in it so I don’t think it was a defective powerlet. Now, I’m confused. What should I do now?


  26. Sounds really F***ed up. I’d just get a replacement gun. Take it back to where you got it and get another, would be my suggestion. I’m starting to question the PPK’s integrity. My slide sticks, your’s won’t fire, my friend’s slide sticks and his slide lock won’t function; they need to redesign this pistol. I’d take mine back, but I got it three months ago so I can’t return it.


  27. “I loaded a second powerlet, pulled back the slide and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened except for the hammer uncocking. No popping sound.”

    Okay, the powerlet wasn’t pierced.

    Everything in your comment makes me believe the powerlet was not pierced. Assuming you do know how to do that, the piercing mechanism must be the problem. That could account for the previous problem, as well.

    I do agree that your gun needs to be returned. As for the quality falling off in general, I can’t really say. I don’t have access to a steady stream of guns, so if anything changes, I can’t spot it.

    B.B.


  28. The powerlet was pierced. I could hear the gas escaping as I unscrewed it from the pistol. I am returning it to Pyramyd today for a replacement. Could you recommend a second air pistol without blowback, uses BB and/or pellet, and very accurate. Thanks for everyone’s assistance in diagnosing the problem.


  29. The Gamo P23 shoots both BBs and pellet and is a good gun. Daisy’s Powerline 008 is another possibility.

    B.B.




  30. Well I want it for practice for when I am not shooting my real pistols so I want the one that is the most realistic and operates well. Which one do you think meets this. Please just tell me what you think.


  31. I was so impressed by the PPK/S that I bought a .22 rimfire PPK/S to go with it. Someday I’ll get a .32 and a .380, as well.

    The P99 is a wonder4ful 9mmpistol, but it isn’t my taste, which runs to the M1911 Colt.

    B.B.



  32. does anyone know how the Gamo V3 is? The slide moves and the magazine rocks, but that is about all the info I know about it. If it is all metal and blowback, it may be a great alternative to the ppk.



  33. this gun is so much fun…
    i even bought a laser sight for it , made by crosman that you install on the ppk/s by removing the trigger guard , and the whole thing is secured in place by two allen screws that leaves a mark on the frame when you unscrew them

    bad point: the allen screws often get loose because of the blowback action that shakes up the gun real hard each time you shoot , the result is that you have to retighten the allen screws after each shooting session ( 100 shots)
    any suggestions to how to avoid this???


  34. Ben,

    I assume you are using Locktite thread locking compound on the screws? If not, try the medium-strength stull. It works well but you can always get the screws out when you need to.

    B.B.


  35. Hi BB. I bought a ppk/s from Pyramidair on the strength of your review, and its fun! I’m happy. Recently however someone has criticised the Crosman connection and said that what I have is a cheap Crosman verison of the Umarex gun. I thought they were the same thing, and that Crosman were just the distibutor of the Umarex product. Am I correct in this? Also can you comment on the “black” ppk/s which is what I have, and the Umarex description of the gun being “polished, blued”?

    Thanks. Gazza.


  36. Gazza,

    Umarex is the only maker of the guns. Crosman used to distribute them, but Umarex USA does so now. Some guns are made under contract in other countries, and the PPK/S is one of them. I have a silver and black gun made in Japan and it is just as good as my German gun.

    Bluing changed to black oxide around 1930. Black is the color, bluing is the name.

    B.B.


  37. hey BB will silencer add FPS
    to it and if not is there a
    way to jump up the FPS thanks
    for your time and you run a great
    bolg

    auto guner


  38. auto guner,

    A scilencer adds nothing to this or any ofhter gun. It just dissipates gas.

    There is no way to increase the velocity of this BB gun.

    B.B.


  39. Hey B.B., just bought this gun, beautiful. But as I read in several spots on line the piercing screw sticks out like a half an inch! Is this normal on all models of this BB repeater? I looked at various googled images of the gun, some show the screw pin almost flush with the gun handle, others show the weapon with the screw sticking out. Is this something Umarex changed on the gun to make it more realistic? Or are these photos of the gun without a co2 tank installed? Also, any tips on getting it to fire more accurately? Even though the silencer advertised on Pyramid is fake, does the length increase the accuracy (though non rifled?)


  40. Sorry I meant to say “Is this something Umarex did to make the gun LESS realistic” perhaps, they were worried the gun looked too real?


  41. Yeah, this ugly screw is really bothering me. Wht the %$#@ would you creat suck a perfectly realistic airgun, then ruin it by having an integral part of the design be executed so poorly, there must have been a dozen ways this piercing screw could have been designed as to become flush with the butt with a co2 tank inserted. I dont see any other Umarex gun with this problem. Dumb move, its such a beauty otherwise!


  42. This style of piercing mechanism is used by every company making CO2 guns. I’m sure Umarex felt it wouldn’t disturb owners too much. You can’t see it when the gun is in your hand anyway.

    You know, it would be possible to have a separate spanner to perfom this function, but then people would loose them. So there are touch decisions to be made.

    However, your complaint will be relayed to the engineers at Umarex.

    B.B.


  43. Thanks B.B., your reliable response is appreciated. I understand that all CO2 require a piercing mechanism, but I own a CP99 Compact and a CP99 Sport, both seem to have been enginered to solve this problem (In fact most of the Umarex guns on the Pyramid Air website appear to have no extended piercing screws.) But I suppose you are right, perhaps after some time I will cease to notice this issue. I think it stood out so much because the rest of the gun is gorgeous and very authentic looking.



  44. hey, if you guys are interested in the ppk/s, i know something that you can do to modify the gun that is cooler than anything you will ever see! there is a website that shows you how to make the ppk/s fully automatic!!!! thats right just hold the trigger down, and it will shoot 15 rounds in under .75 of a second! it really does work, and it is a sweet mod to do to ur gun. the web address is http://www.switchingtomac.com/ppkmod.html this is so sweet, and if you have a ppk/s, it would be a crime not to do it. also, you can see the video of it working at the website, or go to http://www.google.com/video , you can then type in “full auto ppk/s” (without the quotes. this is so sweet, i hope you guys like it.


  45. hi i saw a ppk at walmart, and i took a look at it .And it doesnt really look like polished and blued. It looks more like paint does crosman do anything to the ppk to make it look like that. does the one imported by umarex usa look diffrent?

    chris.


  46. Wal-Mart always specifies the cheapest model of whatever they carry, so the gun you see there is the Parkerized version (that Umarex calls black) that came before the tuxedo look. It is the same gun.

    Crosman was the North American distributor for a few years, but they never touched the gun, other than to move the boxes. This gun is produced by Umarex.

    Umarex USA imports both models (Parkerized and tuxedo) and they sell them through American dealers.


  47. The piercing screw’s not an issue.
    It takes 5 minutes to pull the gun apart and replace it with a flush fit screw (cut a machine screw down and use your hack-saw to cut a thread into it).
    Easy and looks like the real deal when done.




  48. The piercing screw’s not an issue.
    It takes 5 minutes to pull the gun apart and replace it with a flush fit screw

    How do you remove the existing screw? It all seems to be one piece, meaning, the actual section that you physically screw in by hand, seems fused to the screw, can this be removed without damaging it? Can the whole piercing screw be easily taken apart? Sorry, I’m not the most handy person in the world. (obviously)


  49. I just got my PPK/S today, and it’s really cool! However, I can’t even seem to be able to shoot a soda can from about 15 feet away. Is there something wrong with my gun, or am I just a bad shot with a pistol? This is the first CO2 pistol I have ever gotten, so do I just need some practice?


  50. Also, does anybody know where I can buy some extra magazines for this gun at a store? I don’t want to order something that isn’t that expensive online.


  51. Soda can,

    Put up a paper target on the side of a cardboard box and draw a life-sized soda can in the center. That will show you where those BBs are going.

    If you are right-handed and are shooting rapid-fire, I’m guessing all your shots will be to the left of the can. That isn’t the pistol’s fault. It’s a function of what happens when you pull the trigger. It takes practice to correct. Lefties will group to the right.

    B.B.


  52. I’ve just got a Crosman PPK/S from a friend and after a couple days of fun whenever I put a new CO2 tank in just depletes itself within 30-40 seconds. What happened, what do I do to fix it?





  53. Cicero,

    Usually you cannot tell that a remanufactured gun has ever been used. They look like new. If they have ever been used, it is only for a few shots.

    Call Pyramyd Air to confirm this.

    B.B.


  54. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to buy a CP99 compact or a PPK/S, but being able to mod a PPK/S to full auto settles it for me :D
    Now I just need to find an article on how to increase the velocity over 500 fps…


  55. Full auto,

    You won’t like it for very long! When a gun dumps its shots that fast, you don’t hear them. It sounds like one loud shot. Very unrewarding. And 500 f.p.s. will require a barrel at least 5 inches long. It’s a matter of physics.

    B.B.


  56. So even if the pressure was doubled, the BB wouldnt travel any faster?
    I dont quite get that as real pistols with 3″ barrels can fire way over 500 fps.
    If there was more energy pushing the BB, wouldnt it go faster?


  57. The only way to double the pressure is to use a gas other than CO2, because CO2 doesn’t compress in the normal way. Air would be the best option You are talking about a modification to the PPK/S that will cost hundreds of dollars to gain a velocity increase of what – maybe 100 f.p.s.? That would take it up to 375 f.p.s. I doubt anyone would want to do that.

    Let’s talk about firearms, since you brought them up. When we load a cartridge for higher pressure, we never double the pressure. We might increase it by 40 percent in some maximum loads. And what is the result? A velocity increase of perhaps 20 percent. Increasing the pressure produces results on a diminishing curve.





  58. A compensator directs muzzle gas upwards to reduce muzzle flip. It is also the coloquial term for a silencer, but that is not correct.

    The PPK/S compensator does not function.

    B.B.


  59. I’m assuming the ‘silencer’ opens up to larger than .177 diameter internally. Since Pyramid replaces the PPK/S’s plastic barrel shroud with one that’s been machined to accept the scew-on silencer, why can’t someone develop a screw-on barrell elongator…say 5″ long? Unless the small amount of CO2 released per shot is just enough to be all used up in the PPK’s 3.5″ barrels, the longer ‘barrel’ of the modified pistol should theoretically increase mv.



  60. BB, on my PPK/S, I shoot right-handed and my shots tend to creep to the right rather than to the left of the target. At 15′ I get about a 4″ spread, with BBs striking mostly 2″ to the right of center but also some hitting 2″ left, high, low and everywhere in-between. So far I’ve assumed this is either a result of the sharp ‘recoil’, or that the gun barrel needs ‘breaking in’. How do YOU hold this pistol? I shoot from a rest (2 pillows on a rock steady table with a 2-handed hold) and this spread seems a bit much. I shoot Crosman Copperheads through it. So far I’ve put about 300 rnds through the barrel.




  61. “Why not just replace the barrel?” I thought of that. But with the barrel housing already threaded for the ‘silencer’ it would be easy to create a barrel extension to fit it in any machine shop. Ideally, someone would create a ‘silencer’ that has such an extension, since you’re extending the gun anyway. How about it, Pyramid? Seems this would sell a lot more ‘silencers’ than the one you’re now advertising. AND, they’d actually be useful for something besides playing out 007 fantasies.


  62. “I hold all pistols in one hand.” Really? WOW! (Just how many pistols CAN you hold in one hand at the same time?)
    [joking...]



  63. does the thread stck out the end of the barrel or is pre-made inside the barrel?

    i do not have one yet but i am thinking about it should i


  64. can i ask why these guns are so cheap?
    iv had the ppk a little under 3 weeks, and it WAS working perfect
    then its condition worsened….now the slide keeps jamming half way or part way thru, and i cant figure out why
    i stripped it and gave it a good cleaning and oiling, it seems to be sliding smoother now, but it still locks up on me sometimes

    i ALSO bought the CP99, and while its still working fine, this has happened on both my guns (maybe you have an idea for me?)
    the slide no longer locks back when the clip is emptied, on both of them
    im wondering if its the clip wearing out or the guns themself, as the catch on the PPK looks fine, and if i press the clip into the gun hard it will still lock, but wont on its own (i cant do that for the CP99)

    any ideas?


  65. full auto,

    These are not common problems. I have no experience with them. All three of my PPK/Ss are working fine and one has been operating for four years.

    My CP99 Compact is about a month old, but again, I’ve had no problems.

    I’d say you should return the guns, but maybe a reader knows something I don’t.

    B.B.


  66. hi guys, just bought a second hand ppk from a shop, but the place where the co2 cartridge goes, the cover to this doesnt seem to fit on properly, what am i doing wrong?

    rob


  67. I just bought the ppk/s, shot two clips through it and now the slide keeps jumping out of place after each shot so that I can just take it off if I move it forward. I did not tamper with the pin that holds the trigger guard up. Is this something that I can fix myself or do I need to send it back?


  68. I may have figured out my problem. It looks like I might be missing a screw that holds the slide onto the peice that the hammer hits when the gun fires. this might hold the slide down. Can anyone tell me if there is a screw on the top of the ppk right in front of the rear sight?





  69. so i did the full-auto mod and it does not repeatedly fired nor does the hammer stay cocked back any more after each shot…please help




  70. the place where the co2 cartridge goes, the cover to this doesnt seem to fit on properly, what am i doing wrong?

    I have 2 ppks and both have this same problem – cover goes on fine with no co2 cartridge in place – but when one is in – I can’t get the cover to go on flush …. any ideas what I am doing wrong?


  71. Just this tought – is the small end of the CO2 cartridge inside the right place? If it is, the grip panel should go on fine.

    Look up inside the grip and you’ll see a circular port where the cartridge is supposed to dock.

    B.B.


  72. Hey BB…Happy New Year!

    I’ve had the black slide PPK/S for several months now and love it. What I really wanted was the Tuxedo, WALTHER PPK/S SILVER, version. Much to my delight, Sports Authority finally got in a shipment of them recently, and I bought one. When I went to use it this morning however, I found that the Crosman Powerlets were a mixed bag: most of them had to be forced into the gun, and then had to be forced out again. Strangely, some of the Powerlets fit perfectly, the way ALL of the Powerlets do in my black slide PPK/S. I took the gun back to SA and had the clerk open up two more gun packages but it was the same story. Clearly: 1) this batch of silver slides was manufactured with too close a tolerance, and 2) surprisingly, Crosman Powerlets are different lengths! I exchanged my silver slide for one with slightly (and I DO mean slightly) longer tolerances. I intend to go through my Powerlets and set aside the short ones for use in the silver slide, and the longer ones for the black slide. I guess if it doesn’t loosen up (no way can I use a drop of Pell Gun Oil on the longer Powerlets, as it would be scraped off when inserted), I’ll return it to Crosman directly.

    Have you heard of any silver slide PPK/S’s with this problem of too tight a fit in the Powerlet chamber? Have you heard of similar tolerance variations in the length of the Powerlets?

    Thanks, as always, for your help,

    -Joe


  73. Oh, and BB…I too am fascinated by this little gun and would like to own the firearm version. I wonder, did you choose .22 caliber over the .32 or .380 models because it’s cheaper to shoot? I remember reading somewhere that the .22 LR can actually penetrate better than the .32, but it’s hard to imaging 007 choosing the .22 over the .32. (The guy must be a heck of a shot to kill someone with a .32!)

    BTW, what other weapon did Bond use? I believe I read all of Fleming’s 007 books as a teen. The only other firearm I remember him using was a .38 Special, when forced to by M, who believed that a .32 had no stopping power. I think it was an S&W snubnose. Personally I always preferred the Colt Detective’s Special because it offered six shots to the S&W’s 5. But then, I never had a license to kill….

    Anyway, thanks,

    -Joe


  74. And one last thing (or things): I shot a group from a rest at 15 feet with the black slide PPK/S this morning that went 2.25 inches vertically by 1.75 inches horizontally. Does this seem about as good as it gets with the PPK/S BB-gun series?

    Also, if you want a great action target, it doesn’t get much better than a tudooteedoo (the cardboard center from a roll of toilet paper). It jumps and flies and rolls dramatically when hit. (works great too with my CP99 Compact as well as my Crosman 357-SIX). Sometimes I can hit it in the air with a 2nd shot, which is very satisfying!

    And lastly, I was teaching a woman friend (age 36) to shoot with the PPK/S. When the slide recoiled back, she actually dropped the gun, saying how ‘powerful’ it was. She’s the only student I’ve ever had who did this (she’d never fired a gun of any kind previously), but now I make certain to warn people what to expect who’ve never shot this pistol before.

    -Joe


  75. So here’s what I know so far, from shooting both the silver and the black slide PPK/S’s on my 15′ range this morning.

    I began with the silver slide model. I chose one of the shorter Powerlets I’d previously sorted, placing the obligatory drop of PellGun oil on its tip. It fit fine. When I test fired it, the gun seemed low-powered, so I tightened the screw a bit more and re-fired it; it now seemed to have full-power.

    In firing the pistol from rest, every second or third shot clicked as though the gun were empty; i.e. the hammer fell but the gun didn’t go off. I thumbed back the hammer manually and it fired normally, until the next misfire. This went on for perhaps three more times before the grease or oil the gun came with warmed up or wore in, and then the pistol fired without a hitch during the rest of my testing. Likewise the safety lever was very stiff at first but then loosened up.

    I used a Birchwood Casey Shoot*N*C target pasted to a cardboard box filled with newspaper, one of the large square ones with a large center diamond and four smaller diamonds around it. Reference squares were 1″. The Birchwood Casey targets leave a smaller, yellow-green halo around each hit, as opposed to the Daisy Shoot*N*Cs, which leave much more grandiose orange halos; therefore, the BC targets make it much easier to count the individual holes where several BBs have struck the same area. all 15 shots went into the target but were rather spread out. I fired 4 more magazines into the four diamonds, and the results were smaller spreads, as I eased into a more comfortable aiming/shooting style.

    I then decided to test the silver slide model against the black slide pistol. Pasting up a fresh target, I fired one magazine’s-worth into each of the smaller diamond squares…two mags from each gun. The first thing I noticed was that the slide on the silver model was much looser than on the black slide model (BB, do you know if the Tuxedo models are made in a different plant?). The slide on the all-black model was satisfyingly stiff when I tried to move it by hand, as opposed to the silver…which could be easily moved back and forth a bit with very little pressure. I noticed that the shot spread on the silver tended to hit slightly left of center, whereas the black was centered on one diamond and slightly right-of-center on the other. Also, the black’s c-t-c spread was somewhat smaller than the silver’s. For the silver pistol the string was 2.5″ vertically and 2.75″ horizontally for the first diamond, and 3″ vert (most of the shots literally walked up and down the target about an inch and a quarter to the left of center) by an inch and a half horiz. For the black slide, spread for the first target was 1.5″ vert by 2″ horiz for the first target diamond and 2.24″ vert by 1.5″ horiz for the second. How much of this were the guns and how much my shooting ability is difficult to say. But it didn’t help that the neighbor’s dog would bark and then run in crazy circles outside my garage each time I fired a shot! Also, my range temperature was 58 degrees F.

    -Joe


  76. Joe,

    I have heard of some guns with bad tolerances – here on the blog! I haven’t heard of the powerlet problem yet.

    B.B.


  77. Joe,

    I didn’t choose the caliber – the gub chose me! A good friend wanted to trade, so I JUMPED AT THE CHANCE.

    B.B.



  78. ” have heard of some guns with bad tolerances – here on the blog! I haven’t heard of the powerlet problem yet.”

    BB, do you have a caliper? I bet if you went through a box of Powerlets and measured them you’d be surprised. Right now my ‘caliper’ is the tuxedo PPK/S: the powerlets either fit it or they’re too long. I’ve never experienced this in a CO2 gun before, and I’ve owned a lot of them.

    -Joe


  79. If I joined the forum/blog, could I bypass Pyramid’s new and annoying ‘Type the characters you see in the picture above.’? Does this bug anyone else here who posts frequently?


  80. Commercial spams on this blog have increased dramatically. Automated spam postings normally bypass blogs that require entry of characters in a box.

    We could require all comments to be sent to me before being posted. Typing in the characters seemed less annoying than full moderation before posting.

    Another option would be to allow comments only by people who have a Blogger identity. That would force everyone to register. I think this blog has as much activity as it does because we don’t require that.

    B.B.


  81. Hi there,

    the plastic knob for CO2 cartridge extraction on my ppk failed to grab the metal screw (it just came off turning around the screw and couldnt extract the cartridge). This happened at its 10th cartridge change and the gun is just 1 month old.
    Is this a common problem with this gun?. I want to exchange it with a new one but I dont want it to fail again after the warranty period expires.




  82. Pulsar, At 2 guns I’m hardly expert. But if you like the PPK/S you should probably go on and replace it. Your problem sounds isolated. Be aware however that the whole lot, from which you got your gun, might have the same problem. This is what I found when I returned my silver slide: the whole lot had the too-small CO2 chamber. I’m going to have to send the pistol back to Walther to get a proper replacement. In the meantime, it’s tons of fun to shoot.

    -Joe


  83. Hey BB,

    Can you tell me the URL for Umarex USA? I can’t seem to find it on Google. Apparently they’re the only ones who service the Walther PPK/S airguns now.

    Thanks,

    -Joe



  84. Thank you, BB.

    Do you know of any BB or multi-shot pellet CO2 pistol that can hold a 1″ group at 15′? I’d prefer something PPK-sized for women with small hands. I was teaching a friend today on my indoor range who’d never fired a gun before. She had trouble with her confidence, given the rather wide spread of the PPK/S. I finally had to move her up to within 1 meter from the target, and afterwards I had to convince her that she was not unusually dense for not being able to hit the target from farther away.

    Thanks,

    Joe


  85. BB I just tried the umarexusa.com site. It has an ad for the RWS 850 and a list of all the makes it carries, but none of the words are active when you roll over them…there is no where to go that I can find from this page. Is there a trick I don’t know about?

    -Joe



  86. Joe,

    No trick. What you see is a site that doesn’t have anything beyond a home page.

    Use the phone number to call them.

    I know that’s the dark ages, but some companies don’t understand how the internet works.

    B.B.




  87. I have had my PPK/S for 7 months now and i was working fine for the first six now iam having some problems first when loading the co2 iam hearing gas escaping also when fired the sliding device sticks over the hammer not alowing the pistol to complete the semiautomatic feature, (The hammer keeps cocked though and i have to physically push it forard) is there any way to correct these problems.


  88. Have you been putting a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil on the tip of each new CO2 cartridge? If not, do so with the next cartridge and it will most likely fix the leak.

    As for the slide velocity being too slow on the return, that sounds like a return spring to me.

    Contact Umarex USA

    http://www.umarexusa.com

    for instructions on what you should do to fix the problem.

    B.B.


  89. thanks very much for the reply the web site does not really give explination on how to fix the sliding problem i will contact them via phone and hear what they say

    if the spring is to be replaced do you know of any places in canada (Toronto) where i can find one

    thanks for the help


  90. No, I’m not aware of any places in Canada. Most airgun sales are mail order and parts shopuldn;t be a problem internationally.

    The PPK/S is easy to disassemble. It comes apart just like the firearm handgun after the forward triggerguard pin is drifted out. After field stripping you will have the spring in your hand.

    Umarex USA is still my recommendation.

    B.B.


  91. from the Jan. 9 and 10 comments.
    Have you checked to see that when you tighten down the CO2 canister that it is not being pushed out to the side? If that is the case, make sure that where the nut is for the tightening apparatus, that the metal frame around the nut is not cracked. Thats what happened to mine and I am making a new piece to keep it together.

    Overall, its a great little pistol, fun to shoot. No problems other than the crack. Dont buy second hand unless you inspect it thoroughly.


  92. Hello,

    1) Has anyone had a CO2 canister unload in a ppk/s pistol and as a result leave the gun in a seemingly permanently jammed position?

    2) When attempting to remove the pin supporting the trigger guard to field strip the ppk/s, how hard do you have to strike that pin and from which side?

    -Thanks


  93. Hello,

    Can anyone tell me from experience wheather the PPK/S Tuxedo (silver) or the all black model holds up better/longer?

    -Thnx




  94. i have taught firearms for the secret service for 33 years – i am a retired federal agent. i am looking to purchase this pistol for students who i currently teach shooting skills to. i do not teach for the NRA however. i know that pyramyd is offering free shipping for nra instructors. is there anyway i can get this deal as well even though i teach for the secret service instead?



  95. Does the silencer actaually work or are there models with silincers taht do work? I need something to chase off rabbits without annoying neighbors.


  96. The silencer doesn’t work. You can purchase a real silencer if your state permits, but it will cost at least $300 and take a year.

    If you only want to scare rabbits and not kill tham, get an airsoft gun.

    B.B.


  97. Pyramyd Air,

    Hi I was just wondering if a PPK/S silencer will fit the CP99 compact or if you can get a silencer for the compact at all?

    Thanks



  98. if umarex did away with the blow back and used more co2 per shot on this gun and tightened the barrel would it be possible for a gun like this to reach 400 fps. id say a walther ppk with 400 fps+ would sell better. i dont think a gun with such a low velocity is fun to shoot even with blowback. it has the power of a strong airsoft gun.


  99. What you want is an Anics A101 BB pistol. Same size as the PPK/S or slightly larger and gets 500 f.p.s.

    They don’t sell them anymore because people avoided them in droves. On the other hand, the PPK/S is very popular.

    Do much for 400 f.p.s.

    B.B.


  100. B.B.

    I recently purchased a PPK/S and a laser sight. At first I had trouble with the allen screws but got that figured out after reading through the comments.
    My problem is that even though the laser housing is now firmly secured after using loctite, the actual laser unit inside the housing wanders with each shot. After two shots the sight is unusable and needs to be adjusted.
    Any ideas on how to correct this problem?

    Thanks, Sam


  101. Sam,

    With the laser loose inside the electronics package like that I don’t see much hope. Those cheap units are not designed to be maintained.

    It sounds like something in the adjustment mechanism, but I assume you have tightened the screws as instructed in the manual.

    B.B.


  102. YOu need to lubricate the weapons with a silicone based airgun lubricant (not wd-40 etc) … Crosman makes a good airgun lube, it’s easy to find. Also, put a little Airgun specific lube (from Crosman) on the tip of each CO2 cartridge before installation- this will keep your seal working nicely for a long time. Be sure to clean everything you can get to with a q-tip and paper towel. Toothpicks also work well. You cannot expect things to work forever without proper maintenance.


  103. can someone tell me where the website is of the ppk/s 32 shot metal extended bb mag that covers the piercing screw?I didn’t mark the home page and lost it.
    Oh ya and the site for the aftermarket 6 inch barrel/that has the built in shroud(suppressor),i think it was the site that had the wood grips …thanks


  104. HI MY NAME IS PHILLIP I GOT MY WALTHER FOR MY B DAY TWO YEARS AGO THIS JUNE I LOVE IT BUT AFTER SOMETIME I WOULD FIRE THE GUN AND THE SLIDE WOULDN’T BLOWBACK ALL THE WAY I AM ONLY 17 AND HAVE NEVER TAKIN A GUN APART SO I DON’T KNOW IF I SHOULD TRY TO TAKE IT APART. I HAVE TRYED TO PUT OIL ALL ON THE GUN BUT IT STILL HAPPENS SO CAN SOME PLEASE HELP ME BY SENDING MY INTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BREAK THIS GUN THANKS

    SEND THEM TO bigdawg25252525@aol.com



  105. B.B.

    I have the BATF approved fake silencer for the PPK/S

    Since the fake silencer has been discontinued & can only be bought with the gun, what would you say a brand new one in the original packing is worth?

    The gun is $65.99 with out it,
    & $115.95 with it.

    Logicaly,I would think $50.00
    but for those who already have the PPK/S with out it, who want one?

    Would it be worth more?

    Thanks,

    - The Big Bore Addict -


  106. BBA,

    It’s difficult to price such a thing because of its limited appeal. To someone who wants it, it’s worth a lot, but not that many people want one. Your estimate is as good as any.

    B.B.


  107. Great forum for ppk/s owners! Just received mine today and having a blast shooting it. But does nyone have any good tips on how to best remove the trigger guard lock pin. It seems to be securely jammed into the gun. What type of tool do I need to use, because the supplied hex wrench that came w/ the laser sight isn’t doing the job. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.



  108. Hah!!!

    This thing is FUN!!

    Not terrably accurate, neither is my spelling…..

    Ive worked out some things that bugged me with this gun and some that others have had problems with also. Ill be posting a link to this info in the near future.

    The thing that bugged me the most was loading the clips, I have fingers the size of susages, So I made a SPEED LOADER!!!!!! I can load 5 clips in less time than it took me to type this sentance.

    It only takes about 1 second per clip.

    Link coming soon, I have to take pics and type it up.

    RBW



  109. I'd bet that B.B. guy got tired of answering the silencer question. That thing was just for looks.

    BTW, I also made my own speed loader. I call it "a bendy drinking straw". Bend the bendy end, fill the other end with BBs and then pour 'em into the mag. Easy as pie, cheap as dirt.


  110. hi B.B. just want to ask something, I just got my PPK/S last sunday, so i tested it for the first time and it was great! when i finish using the gun and there is a co2 lift so i open the screw so that the co2 comes out.. when it is already empty, i open the cover to take out the CO2 cartridge i see a piece of rectangular thing, a plastic color black on one side and the other side is a metal and sticky. what it is?


  111. Anonymous with metal and sticky,

    Wish I could answer your question. B.B. is on the road and has a jam packed schedule for the next week.

    Would suggest you contact the vendor that sold you the gun and inquire. Good luck!

    kevin




  112. thank you very much kevin and B.B. for the reply.. i have another questions B.B. What is inspection sticker? what is that for? it can affect the gun's performance and where it is located. because mine i saw it when i open the cover it just appear lost not stick to the cover..



  113. ah.. ok, can i throw it away or should i stick it back to the grip panel? if i want to stick it back where should i stick it, left or right grip panel if i the holding the gun?


  114. sorry B.B. if i ask to many questions about that black plastic thing with sticky on the another side.. because here in the philippines it so expensive. i bought it for (PHP 11,000.00) or almost $226. i saw in the internet it only cost around $65.99-$70.00.


  115. My policy on parts that fall off like that is I don't replace them. I set them aside and wait to see if the gun still works well. If it does, I don't replace them.

    My gosh, that was expensive!

    B.B.



  116. The jammings is caused by too close tolerance in the slide. The screw on top of the slide just in front of the rear sight can be lossened and the small housing it holds removed. Take a tri-corner file and spend a few minutes on the flat surfaces. It should lossen up and fire fine.




  117. Bideshi,

    I think you are confusing the PPK/S with a Makarov CO2 pistol that is made from a genuine Makarov firearm. The PPK/S cannot be modified in any way. Not extra power or a rifled barrel.

    B.B.


  118. Do they really have anti-shoplifting scanners in the philippines? LOL.

    That is exactly what he is describing. It is a black (can sometimes be white or gray on other products) – mine on the PPK/s was black- strip containing several thin magnetized pieces of metal and adhesive on one outer side.

    Removed it day 1.

    And my love of the little BB gun led me to purchase a stainless PPk in .380 about a year ago. Would love that gun too if .380's were as commonplace as BB's (darn Obamanation)

    Patrick
    patrickreed1987@hotmail.com


  119. what about using the barrel from the old crosman 357 pellet gun it comes out easy and can be cut to fit the ppk even left long for better distance i have one and going to give it a try also building 100 shot clip machined from aluminum


  120. Anonymous,

    You might be on to something. I for one don't know if it would work or not and cann't speak to your statement. This blog was written in 2005 and there arn't but a handful of us who are checking the old blogs for current posts.

    If you want to reach A LOT of people for comments on your project please repost it to our current blog which is written daily by B.B. and Edith. http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/

    Also, please get back to us and keep us posted on how your project is coming along.

    Thanks much and hope to see you there.

    Mr B.


  121. I own one of the Walther PPKs however I am experiencing an issue with the gun's slide. At this point I have the safety off and fully loaded. When I attempt to fire the gun the slide will be half way cocked, even while loaded, CO2 canister was fine so I'm guessing it was either an internal part or it needs some type of lubricant however I don't know where to insert the lubricant.


  122. Hi my son just got the Walther ppk/s bb gun and he also got the lazor sights with it. The instructions had him to remove the trigger pins and he wrongly removed the actual pin for the trigger and not the trigger gaurd. Is there somewhere on line I can figgure out how to fix this for him?



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