Tuesday, September 20, 2005

The Benjamin 392/397 - 60 years later!

by B.B. Pelletier

Let's look at the latest rendition in a line of air rifles that had their beginnings more than 60 years ago. Where some products have been so vastly changed and cheapened over time, the Benjamin 392 remains a steadfast leader for very high quality. The 392 is the .22 caliber version of the gun, while the 397 is the .177. This gun is one that truly harkens back to "the good old days." Even when Crosman bought Benjamin, they left the quality alone.

Radical state laws are changing which airguns are being produced
Thanks to laws in states like Michigan, where all air rifles over .18 caliber are considered to be firearms, the big box stores like Wal-Mart don't stock the .22 air rifles any more. There may be exceptions in a few stores, but the last time I looked in three different states, .177 was all I could find! Crosman is a volume seller, so if they don't have the sales in .22 as they do in .177, they will cancel the model. It has already happened in other Crosman guns, so don't wait too long to get your gun.

Fortunately, airguns are sold by dealers like Pyramyd Air, but the combined volume of all airgun dealers is small compared to the big box stores. It won't take too long before Crosman has to make a tough decision. By the way, .20 caliber guns are in jeopardy for the same reason.

Adults only, please!
The 392/397 is an adult-sized air rifle, though not overly long or heavy. The pull (distance from the butt to the trigger) is proportioned for adult sizes, plus the pump effort requires some strength that younger children don't have. That's fine, because the power level dictates that this rifle should be used by someone who can exercise great responsibility.

Classic design meets modern technology!
For decades, all Benjamin stocks were made of American walnut, a relatively fast-growing hardwood that has adequate strength for rifle stocks. Today, the gun has an "American hardwood" stock, which gives the manufacturer other options that may be more readily available. That probably contributes to the continued modest price of this rifle.

The stock is nicely sculpted in the classic American style that suits most shooters. The forearm has a very pronounced beavertail swelling where the hand grabs to pump the rifle. It would be cheaper to eliminate this swelling, but they keep it because it makes pumping easier.

You can't do better than brass for a pneumatic barrel! It doesn't rust when exposed to the condensation from every shot, and it can be made smoother than a steel barrel. Smoothness allows for good velocity and accuracy without a lot of after-rifling work.

How to make a great gun even better? Add a peep sight!
One really nice upgrade is the Crosman 64 peep sight. It installs easily and just about doubles the precision of your aim. You can install red dot sights and scopes as well, but for that you also need to buy the Crosman B272 4-piece Intermount to serve as a base for the dot sight or scope mounts.

With the right pellets, I get 0.50" groups at 60 feet!
I recommend Crosman Premiers and JSB Exact domed pellets for both calibers of this rifle. Pyramyd says you can expect 1/2" groups at 33 feet, but my experience says you'll get that out to 60 feet - if you do your job! This air rifle is definitely one that can train you to be a better shot.

Quality American airguns are still being made - affordably!
The bottom line with these two air rifles is that they're out of the past, yet as modern as they have to be. If you appreciate quality American products, these two certainly fit the bill. I guess you can tell I'm a big fan of this air rifle! I hope owners of these guns will comment on how much they enjoy them.

384 Comments:

At September 20, 2005 8:30 AM, Anonymous Denny said...

Hi.While growing up I graduated from a Daisy Red Rider to a Sheridan C9. Later I bought a 392. I loved those guns. They seem to shoot forever with a minimum of attention and expense, unlike springers, PCP and Co2 guns.
I put a low powered shotgun scope on my 392 but later went to a red dot sight as the red dot seemed to be just as accurate and was much quicker to use. The peep sight is better than either, in my opinion. Buy one or more of these guns. You won't be sorry.

 
At September 20, 2005 6:09 PM, Blogger wgcherokee said...

I read on reviewcentre.com that the crosman mounts & scopes are not very good, and the B-square mounts work better with the 392. Is that true? What scope would you recommend (other than Crosman's)?
Thanks!

 
At September 20, 2005 7:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bbp, this is a site you and pyramid sould be linked from:

http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/rifledemos.htm

turtle

 
At September 20, 2005 7:57 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

wgcherokee,

I haven't heard that the Crosman Intermounts were not good, but I'll let our other readers comment on them.

The Leapers Bug Buster scope is my pick for you. It needs two-piece one-inch rings. And it focuses down to nine feet!

B.B.

 
At September 21, 2005 1:07 AM, Blogger wgcherokee said...

Would these work, then?
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=432

And BTW, B.B. I am a happier man since I discovered pyramydair and your blog. Take it from someone who grew up behind the iron curtain, secretly watching John Wayne movies and dreaming of the open range. Now the Benji really sounds like a piece of Americana I cannot miss ;)

God bless!

 
At September 21, 2005 4:40 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

wgcherokee,

Those rings should fit the B-Square base listed to the left on that page. They look like they have Weaver bases (a cross-key to attach to a cross-slotted base) and they can only fit a Weaver or Picatinny base.

As far as fitting the scope, yes, they should fit it fine. The only question is whether the rings will stop where the scope tube is smooth, because the Bug Buster is short and has a very limited mounting area. The Weaver-type base dictates where the rings stop because of the location of the slots in the base.

Thanks for reading the blog and you will love the Benjamin!

B.B.

 
At October 12, 2005 7:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I received a 0.22 Cal Benjamin Model 342 (predecessor to the 392???) for X-mas in 1976 as a 9 year old. It was an awesome gun and always outperformed all the neighbors 0.177 Cal Crosman or Daisy guns. Even in 1976 some of the kids guns had the cheap plastic stocks while mine had the nice wooden stock.

I actually still have the gun and today pulled it out to look at it. It is still in the original box I saved and I found a receipt from 1986 when I mailed it back to Benjamin factory (pre-Crosman) for repair and re-bluing ($32.00 for all that!!!). It still looks great and I think it is time to fire it again after sitting in the closet for 18 years.

 
At October 12, 2005 7:23 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Isn't it great how a simple thing like an old pellet gun can bring back memories of a wonderful time?

And remember to always leave one or two pumps in the gun when you store it. That keeps the valves closed against dirt.

B.B.

 
At November 07, 2005 9:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too recently pulled out my old Model 342 and want to get it back in shape for my boys to use. At some point in the last 30 years (has it really been that long?) the rear sight has broken off. Can anyone recommend a place to purchase a sight or perhaps upgrade to a peep sight or scope?

 
At November 21, 2005 3:40 PM, Anonymous Brian said...

B.B.,
I am a typical newbie that needs a inexpensive rifle to take care of some pests but also would like something that will be accurate, well made and fun to use. I am considering, based on your posts, the 22SG, 392 or the blue/silver streak. I dont mind paying an extra 50-100 bucks or so for much better quality. How would you compare the accuracy, quality/durabily and fun factor of these rifles? Is there something else under $200 that I should consider.

(For now I am only considering multipumps - although the 22cal Bejamin springer did catch my attention.)

Thanks for any help you can provide.

 
At November 21, 2005 4:01 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Brian,

If you have the money, I recommend either one of the Sheridans or the Benjamin 392. They are all very nice guns and are accurate enough to pot a cottontail rabbit at 35 yards with open sights. I know because I have done it.

All three guns are more powerful than the 22SG, which is primarily why I am recommending them. I like the 22SG a lot, but it does not equal the fit and finish of any of the three other guns.

As for the Benjamin spring gun, I like multi-pumps better in this price range.

B.B.

 
At November 21, 2005 4:04 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

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At November 22, 2005 3:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

Thanks for your quick response, I will probably purchase the 392.
But I keep lingering over the spring pistons...

Can you recommend a good quality spring piston for under $250 that is appropriate for someone who is newly interested in the hobby? For example the Gamo 890S, Beeman SS1000/GH950-GS1000. RWS24 or 34?

Sorry for all the questions, but the more I look at it the more I want and I am getting way beyond my original need.

Brian

 
At November 22, 2005 4:24 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Brian,

You don't need to apologise. Questions are what I'm here for.

Take a look at the Webley Exocet. Webley is a great name in spring guns. I've never tested one but I trust anything Webley makes in England.

If you just want to have fun, the IZH Baikal 61 cannot be beat. It's accurate and inexpensive. Not very powerful, but a true delight to shoot.

My top pick with your budget is Beeman's HW30. It is also not very powerful, but it has a wonderful heritage behind it. If you can squeak a few more dollars, the Beeman R7 is an all-time classic. You would be very proud to own one.

I have heard good things about the RWS 94. It is Spanish-made, but from what I hear, a cut above the rest.

I also like the Gamo Shadow 1000, but be prepared to break it in. Gamos take thousands of shots to become really good and smooth, while a Weihrauch breaks in in about 1,000 shots.

B.B.

 
At November 22, 2005 5:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

Thanks again, your are providing me quite an education. One thing - I am using this for some pest hunting so I need the 22cal. I need to double check, but I think the Webley is available in 22, R7 in 20. I like the light cocking effort on the R7 too.

Thanks for all of your help!

Brian

 
At December 18, 2005 9:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please help! I have a Benjamin Franklin 342, .22 cal. Everything worked just fine until I hide it (from the kids) in the garage compartment last summer. I guest
the heat must have done a great damage to the rubber/sealer (that rubber thing that attaches to the
pump lever).

Now that when I pump.. it just glides thru very smoothly and does not generate air. I droped some W40
in the air hole (it says do not oil.. but I tried anyways according to a guy's suggestions in the Diamonds air gun forum who had the same problems).. It still DOES NOT work.

What do I need to do now or what part(s) needs to be replaced/fixed. Thanks.
Dav

 
At December 22, 2005 9:55 PM, Blogger CM Smokin said...

I have a Benjamin model 342 Air Rifle in need of repair. Unfortunately did not store with "a pump or 2" and I'm afraid dirt and time have taken a toll. Any ideas where I might turn to?

 
At December 23, 2005 2:08 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Dav,

This is from the july 20 post. The index is on Sep 30.

George Pena
George is a Texan who fixes American pneumatics. His business card says "Benjamin, Sheridan and old Crosman model 140/1400 pneumatic air rifle repair." He puts them back to factory specs. I've shot a vintage Sheridan he resealed, and he did a great job. Not only does the gun shoot like new, he didn't mess up the vintage finish on a significant collectible while he did the work! George is at heligun1@msn.com or 512-863-2951.

Rick Willnecker
Rick is in Pennsylvania, where he repairs vintage and modern Crosman, Benjamin and Sheridan guns. Rick is another guy who has been doing this for several decades, and he's very methodical in his work. He will restore airguns to operational specs, but he won't increase power in guns beyond the factory levels. Contact him at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481.

Either of these two guys is perfect for your needs. Merry Christmas,

B.B.

 
At January 24, 2006 6:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bought a Benjamin 392 in 1975 and still have it today. It still shoots like new and never
needed any repair. The Benjamin has laid to rest many pests and even taken game as large as racoons.
I have bought and sold many other airguns from diasy, marksman, beeman, crosman and RWS but
this one will never be sold.

 
At January 25, 2006 7:42 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Thanks for that report.

B.B.

 
At February 03, 2006 7:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still rings true. I purchased the Benjamin 392 Commerative. I have number 142 of the 500 that are going to be made. It comes with a nice scope that must be worth at least $70.00. It is just wonderful to fire and accurate. A very comfortable rifle to handle. I like it and will care for it so it will hold it's value and maybe increase. Thanks for the information on it which helped make my decision to purchase... F Nash

 
At February 04, 2006 4:28 PM, Blogger doug said...

Trying to find a repair or restoration parts for a 1960's Benjamin Franklin pellet rifle 177cal.

 
At February 04, 2006 5:36 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Doug,

It's a Benjamin, not a Benjamin Franklin. That's just a play on the company name.

Try the airgun fit-it stations listed in this blog:

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/07/co2-and-pneumatic-guns-where-to-get.html

B.B.

 
At February 07, 2006 4:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

great site... not very web savy, so I just found it :)

I've got an old pneumatic in .20 that I believe to be a sheridan, but it's unmarked except the end cap with the thumb depress safety, which says "hold down to fire"

The forend/ pump handle is straight, not a short corn cobb or beavertailed, and extends to within about 2" of the muzzle end, the grain is continuous from butt end to muzzle.

I'd like to find a reseal kit for this and return it to shooting condition, as it was given to me some years ago as "the most innacurate air gun I've ever shot" no wonder this, as he was firing .177 pellets in it.

I'd like to reseal the gun myself, as I'm relativley mechanically inclined, but I don't know where to buy the parts, any ideas?

Hopefully the description will help you date the gun in case there was a part difference.

On another note, do you happen to know what the original velocity was for the german made "tell II" air pistols, made back in the 20's or 30's? (interesting little spring piston guns where the piston surrounds the barrel)

The tell II shoots, but seems a little underpowered, probably from 70+ years of use. I'd like to have this one gone over by a profesional (wouldn't want to try and tackle that one!) but have no idea where to start looking for someone who's fammiliar with them.

thanks for any help you can provide, and sorry about being long winded!

 
At February 08, 2006 10:06 PM, Anonymous Greg said...

I bought a Benjamin 342 years ago for my father to control sparrows and starlings on his Purple Martin nesting boxes. He has moved up to bigger and better air rifles now and he recently gavee the Benjamin back to me. The pump mechinism is broken and I think a part is missing. Can you reccomend a good repair shop to send my gun to for repair?

Thanks for you help

gb

 
At February 12, 2006 7:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
My first and only gun right know is an Avanti 853 legend. Dont get me wrong I love this gun the accuracy is amazing but the knockdown power is not so great. Im a kid and I want some power!:) Anyway I was wondering do you think a 15 year old male could easily pump this gun. Also I am living in NJ and I am forced to shoot indoors I have a 55 foot+ range with cement walls do you think this rifle is too powerfull to shoot indoors?
Thanks in advance,
Nick

 
At February 14, 2006 8:09 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Greg,

I was out of the office until today. Sorry for the delay answering you.

There are two great Benjamin repair stations:

Rick Willnecker at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481

and

George Pena at heligun1@msn.com or 512-863-2951.

B.B.

 
At February 14, 2006 8:25 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Nick,

Yes, you can pump the Benjamin. Up to five pumps will be easy. Pumps six through eight will be harder, but you don't always need them.

If you want more power at a great price, this is a great way to go.

B.B.

 
At March 23, 2006 4:44 PM, Anonymous bob said...

i am 14 years old and 5'1 and 106 pounds
i currently have the daisy 880
i would like to upgrade to either the 392 or the 22sg
money is not an issue but i heard that the 392 is hard to pump nad wheny you mount a scope with the 4- piece intermounts, then it will be harder to pump because you cant get a good hold
also i heard that you need a long eye relief scope
i have the daisy powerline 3x-9x 32mm
scope...will this be good on the 392?
or should i get the 22sg
i mainly want to use it for plinking and hunting squirrels, possums, and feathered pests
which gun should i get???
thanks

 
At March 23, 2006 5:37 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

bob,

Good question. You have obviously thought this thing through. I would recommend the Daisy 22SG for two reasons. First, it handles a scope better and it sounds to me like you have your heart set on a scope. And of course it comes with a scope, too. The second reason is the additional effort the 392 takes with pumps 6 through 8. The Daisy is also harder as the number of pumps increases, but not as hard as the Benjamin.

I have no doubt you can handle either rifle, but the way you want to use it, I'd get the Daisy. On possums I'd be sure to use a head shot, only.

B.B.

 
At March 28, 2006 9:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello there i have the older model 880 the cast version tells you how old it is one of the first 880's on the market.I believe. i got it back in the early 80's.As a kid i have killed more animals with it then you can imagine,My favorite pellet was the promethus bullet,it was a lite pellet at the time they were black. now only in yellow i believe.A friend i used to hang arroud with never had a gun so i sold him a 397 he sent it in had it redone and i had a tough time shooting agains him.i believe he still has the gun to this day .I have resaled this gun once but am no longer able to find the relief vale for it.so it looks like im on the market for a new 397.would like to find a older one and redo myself.but the little 880 served me for over 20 yrs i still shoot it on occansion but it's time to retire it i believe .mike

 
At May 14, 2006 3:16 PM, Blogger Alex said...

Hi My Name Is Alex And I was debating on getting a Benjamin Sheridan Pump Gun. I was wondering what your recomendations would be on what cal to get either the .177 or the .22 I am trying to get rid of a couple blackbirds near my house. I also would like to know what pellets work the best with this gun and for pest shooting. Thank you

 
At June 01, 2006 8:36 PM, Blogger caballeromario85 said...

hello i was wondering if you guys can help me, i have a 397 in the ranch and we use it for pest, love that rifle i have had it for around 7 years and still works like new, i gave the rifle to my younger brohter and wanted to get myself a new one, i was looking at the 392, shadow 1000, and the mendoza 2003, any recomendations, and what would you guys recomend spring or pump? thanks:D

 
At June 02, 2006 7:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

397,

You already know what a wonderful airgun this is. I vote for the 392. The other two are spring guns that require a lot of shooting technique to use. As for the Mendoza, I hear many bad reports. I'd stay away from that model.

B.B.

 
At June 02, 2006 10:01 PM, Blogger caballeromario85 said...

Thanks ill be getting one next week from you guys thanks alot!!!!

 
At June 17, 2006 12:46 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

Im considering returning the diasy and exchanging it for a blue streak or a 392.

Does the blue streak outperform the 392? I can get a blue streak locally.

 
At June 17, 2006 2:21 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

The Blue Streak and 392 are very equivalent.

B.B.

 
At June 19, 2006 9:11 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

im putting my friends 392 to the test.

BB,

Do you have any tips on testing the 392?

I'm going to sight it with a BSA 3-12x 44mm scope.

 
At June 20, 2006 7:16 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Don't touch the scope when handling the rifle. Multi-pumps with scopes are VERY sensitive to handling.

Also, try five pumps or six instead of the maximum. The rifle may be more accurate.

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2006 11:02 AM, Blogger Steve said...

Hi B.B.

Just ordered a 392 last night, and I'm looking forward to its delivery. I used to own a Blue Streak back in the early '70s, and used to hunt squirrels in San Jose, CA before the fields got covered over in silicon. Those were the days.

Anyway, my wife got tired of the crows eating to their hearts content in our cherry tree, and said it was time to get an air rifle. The last time she appealed to my basic caveman nature, I went out and bought a bigger sailboat. Bless her heart. So, I was all over the airgun idea. Initially, she wanted a BB gun. I kinda rolled my eyes, and said no, "we" need something with a little more umph. The Sheridan is what I had on my mind.

I did a web search, and found your web site, among others. After a week of doing my research, I decided that the Benjamin would be the most practical rifle for "our" needs.

This decision was not easily made. I found that there were quite a few other rifles that I wanted, in particular, the Webley Xocet and the RWS 34. After agonizing over all the pros and cons of owning a "nicer" model over the 392, I finally came down to earth. "We" just want to do a little pest control and not spend a lot of money on something we don't need. But I would have really liked the Webley even if it was just for some casual plinking.

Anyway, I let my practical side won out. The Webley or RWS 34 would probably have been too powerfull for the backyard. With the Benjamin, I can regulate the velocity of the gun for pest control and just plinking around when I need a break in the afternoon from staring at a computer monitor. Plus, the lack of recoil will make it more comfortable for my wife to use. She should be able to handle four or five pumps as well. Who knows, maybe the Benjamin will encourage her to get "us" a Webley that with us when we sail to some of the islands in the Puget Sound.

Cheers,
Steve

 
At June 20, 2006 11:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Steve,

My wife took posession of my Blue Streak when rats invaded out house. Development in the woods nearby drove hundreds of rats in all directions.

I taught her how to use it and she killed at least 11, including five in a row that were just sunning themselves on our steps. Her best shot was a between-the-eyes offhand shot from 25 feet.

I had to put a yellow twist tie around the triggerguard so she could identify the Blue Streak among my other airguns (the pellet box was yellow in those days).

So I understand,

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2006 2:09 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

Im really falling in love with this rifle. I shot Crow magnums, predators, gamo humters, daisy flat nose, and kodiaks through it. I was suprised to find that the predators gave me a .75group at 10 yards. The diablos gave me the best groupings, .40 at 10 yards. Crow mangums gave .65 with 5 shots. Diasy flat nose gave me groups a little bit tighter then the crow magnums. The gamo hunters were the worst for some reason. I must have got a bad batch. I noticed some of them were a little bent.
The bolt is really easy. I REALLY LOVE THE FEEL OF THIS RIFLE! It would have been nice if it had fiber optic sights. This might have been the rifle I wanted all along.

A++

This is the best Air Rifle I have ever used. :)

 
At June 20, 2006 3:54 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

BB,

What scope mounting system is best for this rifle??

What do I need to mount a scope closer to the cheek piece?

I want something like this system on my rifle.

http://www.airgunexpress.com/NEWJPEGS/115-48-0397-E.jpg - copy and paste to adress bar.


What pieces would I need to install a system like this?

 
At June 20, 2006 4:03 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

That's just a B-Square 17010 Weaver scope base. Pyramyd sells it. Don't forget to use Weaver rings.

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2006 4:13 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

I found it :)
its a B-Square Blue Streak Weaver Mount w/Rings. :)

 
At June 28, 2006 4:59 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

BB,

I shot about 100 premiers and 100 benjamin pellets through the 392. I mounted the installed the bsquare system and mounted my 3-9x32 leapers scope to it. The rear sight got in the way when i mounted it though, so I positioned the scope turret closer to the rear ring. The scope sits right behind the rear sight. The b-square piece is Tight and I applied locktite to the screws and let it sit overnight after I installed it.

The groups will come and go. after placing a few shots after the windage or elevation pieces are set. It shots at random spots.

Example: It was shooting a few clicks to the right and several clicks to low. After a few clicks to the left and the impact point is vertically alligned with the target point. I will turn it up for a higher impact point and all of a sudden the next few shots will fall to far to the left and move a few clicks up from its last impact point. Is the scope the problem???

I had a little bit of a problem when i mounted it on the shadow 1000. I had to keep aligning it. I tried to mount the bsa 3-12 x44 scope but the rear piece of the sights that are installed on the benjamin will get in the wayand wont allow it to sit correctly on the front ring.

The bsqaure mount IS SOLID. REal tight.

What do you think the problems are BB?

What would you do if your were in my position?

Can anyone help please??? :|

Thank you bb.

 
At June 28, 2006 5:02 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

I took 4 shots ater each adjustment. I hate to think the leapers scope is the problem becuase that would be the 3rd defected item from pyramid.

 
At June 28, 2006 6:52 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Tell me how far out both the windage and elevation knobs are turned.

B.B.

 
At June 29, 2006 2:12 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

The top turret was turned 900 degrees south. The windage was turned 540 degrees west. I hope that answeres your question.

 
At June 29, 2006 2:26 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

What you are telling me is that both knobs have been rotated many TIMES to bring the reticle and striking point of the pellet together. I believe that is the problem. I can't tell how far 900 degrees south (down?) is, but I know it's a lot. The reason I can't tell is I don't know where the knob was set when you started. While you would THINK it was exactly in the center of the range of travel, I have never seen one come from the factory that way. So if you are schrunched way down on the elevation, the erector tube spring may be compressed.

If you have gone in the other direction, the spring is relaxed and that WILL CAUSE the shifting aim points you describe. In fact, that is the LEADING contributor to "scope shift!"

You need adjustable scope mounts to resolve this problem. That way the scope knobs can be centered and the mounts will account for the aim-off you need to get sighted in.

Read this post:
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/01/adjustable-scope-mounts.html

B.B.

 
At June 30, 2006 9:16 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

I exchanged the gun for another one off the shelf. I sighted it to have the impact of the pellet fall 1.5 inches under the center of the riticle. It is vertically aligned with the reticle and the premiers are falling into the same hole every time. I noticed alot of friction when I started pumping it the first 20 shots. I pumped each shot up to 5 pumps. It has started to get smoother.

Should I add pellgunoil to the joints, or is this just what happens when the joints are not in motion for an extended time?

How do you keep your 392 in tip top shape?

I decided to exchange it after checking for and discovering more run away pellets with open sights.

I read the posts you directed me to. thank you.

 
At July 01, 2006 9:11 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Pellgunoil isn't a good lubricant. It's more of a sealant. So for all the joints, I'd suggest a common household oil. Just a drop per joint should do it.

Five pumps is usually the most accurate spot for a Benjamin, by the way.

B.B.

 
At July 04, 2006 9:27 AM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

BB,

Household oils like cooking oils?

What about 3 in 1 oil?

I found it at a local bi-mart and I spoke to a associate about it and he siad he used it on his old crosman.

The only oils I have in the house are cooking oils.

Cesar

 
At July 04, 2006 10:11 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Household oils as in 3-in-1. Cooking oils are not good for gun lubrication because they don't have the viscosity you need.

Most homes keep a can of 3-in-1 for lubricating the hinges when they squeak.

B.B.

 
At July 04, 2006 7:56 PM, Blogger Jovie said...

B.B.
Would you happen to know the difference between the updated model 392 and a model 342? Will the model 392 repair kit at pyramydair be compatible with my model 342?
Thanks,
Jovie

 
At July 05, 2006 5:54 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Jovie,

I suspect that it is, but I don't know for sure. I would call Crosman and ask their technical people.

When you ask, ask whether the 392 parts fit. There is no kit, officially. Pyramyd Air provides it as a service to their customers, but Crosman will not recognize it.

B.B.

 
At July 05, 2006 6:47 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

Hey BB,

I shaved the b-square attachment part of the benjamin 392. I dont know the names of the parts but the scew from the b-square attachment kit and the part you screw it into on the beji are both shaved really bad. What can I do to fix the problem????

I over tightened it becuase I couldnt get the mounting to sit properly. I uninstalled it and tilted it back a bit and installed it. When i started tightening the front part, the scew justs kept rolling as if it had no thread. I un installed it and discovered that both the screw and the benji was shaved.

Is this a problem that only crosman can fix?

cesar

 
At July 06, 2006 7:39 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

It sounds like you have stripped the screw threads from the holes. The solution for this is to drill the holes larger and tap them with larger threads. Then use an appropriate screw.

B.B.

 
At July 06, 2006 10:56 AM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

thanks BB

 
At August 04, 2006 12:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I had never seen or heard of a Benjamin Sheridan until a couple of months ago. I owned a Crosman 76 (?) over twenty years ago as a young teen -- it was a pretty good back then. About a year ago I bought a Crosman 357 for kicks.

I was over a friends house and he had one of these Benjamin Sheridans proped against the door. I had just glanced at it, and with its short and stocky appearance I thought it was a shootgun until he picked it up to disuade a squirrel out of his garden. Having never seen a hardwood pellet gun, and with the looks of it I have to have one.

Well, my question is what are the subtle differences between the 392 (.22 cal) and the (.20)Blue Streak. I'm leaning towards the 392 because of the heavier caliber, cheaper price and higher availability of ammo.

The Blue Streak does seem to have a slightly more stremlined look. Is the quality higher in the .20 caliber? What are the differences (better quality, more agressive look, traditional mantle bearer???), if any. Which would you recommend for any given circumstance and why. I'm sure I'd be happy with either one, but this will be the only air rifle I will own, and I want to get the right one. I read you own the .20 cal and a .22 cal of something pricier? Help me to make the right choice because compared with your knowledge of this product I'm relatively clueless.

SOLD in N.C.

 
At August 04, 2006 12:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

... And sir,

How difficult is it to install the peepsight, and does Pyramid Air install this sight for you if requested?

Sold in N.C.

 
At August 04, 2006 8:34 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

SOLD in N.C.,

There isn't much difference between the two rifles today. Crosman bought both companies years ago and the two rifles have slowly morphed together into essentially the same gun. Crosman also has ceased production of their .20 caliber Premier pellet, so there is one less great pellet for the Blue Streak. I would get the Benjamin, if I were you.

The peep sight used to be a very simple affait to install. Just bolt it on and that's it. The screws and holes are already there.

Having said that, it's best to ask Pyramyd Air when you place your order. I know they do offer services like mounting scopes, so there is a strong possibility they will mount this sight for you.

The best pellet for your gun is the JSB Exact domed pellet. It should be quite accurate.

Enjoy your new airgun!

B.B.

 
At August 06, 2006 1:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey B.B. Pelletier,

what scope would you recommend for this gun, aswell as mounts and rings? i plan on buying this rifle and don't know what to get for it.

also, which caliber would you recommend or prefer?
and for either caliber, which brand of pellets or bbs are the most accurate in your opinion?

thank you for your time. i look forward to your advice.

 
At August 06, 2006 10:07 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't believe in scopes on multi-pump pneumatics. They make the gun too hard to pump. My choice is the Williams peep sight.

However, if I were to mount a scope on the 392/397 I would use the B-Square Weaver scope base for Benjamin Sheridan Blue Streak. Although this mount specifically does not say that it's for the 397/392, Crosman makes both those rifle and the Blue Streak and there isn't much difference between them. Pyramyd also shows that this mount is for the Benjamin rifles.

Use AccuShot 2-piece 1-inch Weaver rings and I would mount a Bug Buster or Bug Buster 2. These are Leapers scopes that focus as close as 3 yards. The Bug Buster is 4 power, the Bug Buster 2 is 6.

B.B.B

 
At August 09, 2006 8:18 PM, Blogger indio70 said...

Dear B.B.

TThanks for the advice! I got my 392 via regular land transport (2 days) today. Great gun, no comparison to the cheap plastic air rifles.

 
At August 09, 2006 8:19 PM, Blogger indio70 said...

SOLD in N.C.

 
At August 21, 2006 6:59 AM, Anonymous LeoJr2006 said...

I've seen one person's new 392LE destroyed by what Crosman deems 'Scope too heavy.' The scope was mounted on the factory cut dovetail, and after a couple weeks, the whole barrel and breech broke off at the solder joint. Is there any way around this? Are there any mounts that wrap around the entire pump tube instead of just clamping to the barrel?

 
At August 21, 2006 8:18 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

LeoJr2006,

There are no scope mounts that wrap about the entire pump tube.

B.B.

 
At August 22, 2006 7:48 PM, Blogger HOT SHOT said...

do you have to use a scope with the 392 sheridan? can i just use it out the box?

 
At August 23, 2006 6:44 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't even recommend scoping a multi-pump. Use it the way it comes from the factory!

B.B.

 
At August 26, 2006 3:14 PM, Blogger applemaniac said...

Thanks for the recommendation B.B.
I bought mine yesterday morning and snuck it past my wife. I waited for her to go out and then I went in the Back yard to check it out and sight it in. The open sights were a bit off but with a few adjustments I was getting great groups with benjamin .22 diabolo's. I went to make one last adjustment to the elevation and part of the tip on top for the flat head screw driver popped right off so I broght it back and exchanged it for a new one. I brought that one to my buddys house for our ussual friday afternoon plinking. I pulled it out and went to sight it in and my first five shots were all really tight, it is a little bit of a bear to get the last 2 pumps especially since I have been ussing my springers so long but I have found that for just plinking aroung 5 to 6 punps have been plenty. we have taken various small sppons and bent the handles around poles that we put at different ranges, for the rest of the afternoon I shot 13 times at the small soup spoon at 20 yrds and hit it 13 out of 13 times with the open sights (that I never adjusted), My friend had initially boohooed a pump gun but was really impressed with how good looking and accurate it was, but mainly how powerful it was "for some pump gun" as he put it. He handed me one of his 20 gr Eun Jin pelles he uses on his Sumatra and I still nailed the spoon at 20 yrds with out needing to adjust for elevation. I plan on using the open sight and not mounting a scope on this rifle.It did need some cleaning up from the box, the metal needed a good rub down and I lightly oiled the stock and rubbed it down and now it is beautiful. It looks great next to the rest of my guns and adds a little variety to my collection. I am very happy I bought it and my wife should be too when I tell her next month - Thanks for another winner - AppleManiac

 
At September 04, 2006 1:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a Benjamin Model 112. It belonged to one of my uncle's and the only thing I know about the gun is that it dates back to the early 1940's. It was missing the trigger and a gentleman in INdiana replaced it. Any info you have would be most appreciated. thanks....Bill B

 
At September 04, 2006 2:44 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Bill B.,

According to the Blue Book the 112 was made from 1938 to 1941. It has a transition-style pump, that attemps to transition from a front-pumper to an underlever. This pump is very weak a prone to wear out. The pins are too small and they loosen up from use.

The value of the gun ranges from $40 in working condition and no finish up to $200 with all the original black nickle over silver nickle and in a good box.

B.B.

 
At September 08, 2006 4:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Feb. 4th '06 Doug called his 1960s pellet rifle a Benjamin Franklin. B.B. Pelletier said "It's a Benjamin, not a Benjamin Franklin. That's just a play on the company name." I have a late '60s model 312 and on the left side, below the bolt, it says "Benjamin Franklin".
By the way there is a "potential problem" with several older airguns and they are offering $50.00 credit toward the purchase of a 392 or a 397. Roy

 
At September 08, 2006 5:04 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Roy,

Once again - there is no Benjamin Franklin airgun. When something is put in quotes and isn't a direct quote, it means that everything inside the quotation marks is untrue. This is a gramatical way of expressing a tongue-in-cheek joke.

In the day when Benjamin did that (put those words on left side the gun in quotes) people read more and got the inference. Today, it causes a lot of confusion.

I'm aware that Crosman (not Pyramyd Air) is offering credit for these old guns. They want to remove them from the market. Fortunately there are plenty of places to get them repaired.

Crosman's hangup is that the triggers are lighter than today's guns, there are no safeties and they are concerned about liability, since they own the company.

B.B.

 
At September 08, 2006 6:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.
Your last two paragraphs were interesting, I was all set to trade my old 312 (it needs some work on it, after all of these years) in on a new 392, it seems to be well liked, (the 392s) by the comments I've read in this column. Now I'm going to have to rethink my earlier decision. Roy

 
At September 09, 2006 7:42 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Roy,

A 312 is virtually identical in power and accuracy to a 392. And the old gun is slimmer than the new one. While the 392 is in no way any worse than the old one, itr's also no better in terms of performance.

Your old gun is probably worth about the $50 credit Crosman offers, but spending some more getting it fixed up would probably be a good idea.

Contact George Pena.
George is at heligun1@msn.com or 512-863-2951.

B.B.

 
At September 12, 2006 6:53 PM, Anonymous Josh said...

BB,

I was looking at the three models on the Pyramyd Air site, (392, 397, C9) and it quotes a speed of 675 for the blue streak, and 685 for the 392. Does the .22 gun really put out that much more power!?

-Josh

 
At September 13, 2006 6:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Josh,

The power of the Blue Streak and the 392 are identical. The numbers quoted are just numbers. Figure them to be equal in power. Ten f.p.s. is too close to call, and each rifle will differ by more than that.

The 397 does lose energy because of the lighter .177 pellet.

B.B.

 
At September 14, 2006 11:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

I just bought the 392 from you guys, and a scope and the B272 mounts that I need to mount on the gun before I can mount the scope.

My big problem is that after the screws are all the way in, they still slide up and down the barrel. There's no way to tighten them enough and I have no way to use the scope.

Also, it seems the only place to mount the scope is halfway down the barrel even if I could get the intermounts to stay in one place.

Could you please provide me with some advice to get this to work?

Thanks a lot,
Michael.

 
At September 15, 2006 6:23 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Michael,

I answered this question on the other post you attached it to.

You need to call Pyramyd Air and talk to a customer representative. They will handle this problem for you. The intermount is designed specifically for this rifle, so the one you received must have a problem.

B.B.

 
At September 19, 2006 9:04 PM, Anonymous Josh said...

BB,

When buying a used 392 or C9, is there anything to watch out for? How much should I expect to pay for an older model, but not old enough to be collectable? I've got one on the radar, so I'm pretty curious.

-Josh

 
At September 20, 2006 7:15 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Josh,

Besides not working or holding air, the biggest fault both rifles have is a broken solder joint between the barrel and the pump tube. The culprit is the intermounts. When they are tightened too much, they pop the barrel loose.

B.B.

 
At September 21, 2006 12:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a .22 cal benjamin model 342 and was wondering if there is a kit i can repair it with. the rubber/leather seal has been damaged from sitting for so many years and will not pump air. it justs pumps very smoothly and does not compress air. it was my brothers and i would like to fix it and give it back to him as a suprise. thank you so much

 
At September 21, 2006 1:05 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Call Pyramyd Air and ask Boris if he has a kit for you. I believ he does. 888-262-4867.

B.B.

 
At September 21, 2006 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey BB
I bought a daisy powerline 1000 with a scope earlier this summer and Ive had a lot of accuracy problems. I can't tell if Im just not used to the peculiar recoil of spring guns or if there is a problem with the gun or scope. I was thinking of purchasing a 392 because of its paucity of recoil. Do you think the 392 is an overall more accurate gun than the powerline 1000? Also I've heard good things about the new predator polymer tipped hollow points. Have you ever tried them with the 392? Thanks a lot.
-Bob

 
At September 22, 2006 6:36 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Bob,

A 392 is probably not more accurate than a Powerline 1000, but it is much easier to shoot.

Those pellets with polymer tips are not as accurate as the pellets I keeps mentioning - the JSB Exact domed and the Beeman Kodiak. I haven't tried them in a 392, but I have tested them at distance extensively in an AirForce Talon SS. A rifle that groups 3/8" at 35 yards with JSB domes will group about 3/4" with the JSB Predators (that's the name of the hollowpoint pellets we are talking about).

B.B.

 
At September 26, 2006 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB-
Two more questions: I was under the impression that the 392 and the .20 cal bluestreak are essentially the same rifle in different calibers, however they are both listed at 685 fps on your site. Is this a mistake or is there actually a difference in power plants? Secondly, have you ever tried the benjamin sheridan cylindrical pellets in either of these uns and if so how do they perform? Thanks a lot.
-Bob

 
At September 26, 2006 2:43 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Bob,

These used to be different guns made by different companies. Then Benjamin bought Sheridan, and still later Corsman bought Benjamin.

Now the rifles are essentially the same. They differ in some small ways, but caliber is the biggest.

The cylindrical pellets do not group as tightly as the better diabolos. At close range (under 20 yards) they are fine, but I would use a diabolo at longer ranges.

B.B.

 
At September 30, 2006 1:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave it to the lawmakers to dictate what a fire arm is.
I bought a 392 12 yrs ago,I wanted one 50 years but I couldn't talk my dad into it so had to wait.When I did buy it I also bought one for my son,we both shoot a lot and we take starlings well past 50yds.Mine is geting polished from pumping but it is still shooting at max velocity,this I have checked with a chronograph. R.R.

 
At October 03, 2006 10:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
Have you ever tried a 397 with a pellet weight about that of the .22? Offhand, I seem to recall you could get .177's in the 14-15 gr category.

I realize there may be other inefficiencies besides the light pellet.

 
At October 04, 2006 6:44 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I have not tried a 397 with an extra-heavy pellet. I don't own a 397, so all my shooting is with.20 and .22 multi-pumps. I do know that extra-heavy .20 and .22 pellets are not as accurate as medium-weight pellets.

B.B.

 
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