Tuesday, September 20, 2005

The Benjamin 392/397 - 60 years later!

by B.B. Pelletier

Let's look at the latest rendition in a line of air rifles that had their beginnings more than 60 years ago. Where some products have been so vastly changed and cheapened over time, the Benjamin 392 remains a steadfast leader for very high quality. The 392 is the .22 caliber version of the gun, while the 397 is the .177. This gun is one that truly harkens back to "the good old days." Even when Crosman bought Benjamin, they left the quality alone.

Radical state laws are changing which airguns are being produced
Thanks to laws in states like Michigan, where all air rifles over .18 caliber are considered to be firearms, the big box stores like Wal-Mart don't stock the .22 air rifles any more. There may be exceptions in a few stores, but the last time I looked in three different states, .177 was all I could find! Crosman is a volume seller, so if they don't have the sales in .22 as they do in .177, they will cancel the model. It has already happened in other Crosman guns, so don't wait too long to get your gun.

Fortunately, airguns are sold by dealers like Pyramyd Air, but the combined volume of all airgun dealers is small compared to the big box stores. It won't take too long before Crosman has to make a tough decision. By the way, .20 caliber guns are in jeopardy for the same reason.

Adults only, please!
The 392/397 is an adult-sized air rifle, though not overly long or heavy. The pull (distance from the butt to the trigger) is proportioned for adult sizes, plus the pump effort requires some strength that younger children don't have. That's fine, because the power level dictates that this rifle should be used by someone who can exercise great responsibility.

Classic design meets modern technology!
For decades, all Benjamin stocks were made of American walnut, a relatively fast-growing hardwood that has adequate strength for rifle stocks. Today, the gun has an "American hardwood" stock, which gives the manufacturer other options that may be more readily available. That probably contributes to the continued modest price of this rifle.

The stock is nicely sculpted in the classic American style that suits most shooters. The forearm has a very pronounced beavertail swelling where the hand grabs to pump the rifle. It would be cheaper to eliminate this swelling, but they keep it because it makes pumping easier.

You can't do better than brass for a pneumatic barrel! It doesn't rust when exposed to the condensation from every shot, and it can be made smoother than a steel barrel. Smoothness allows for good velocity and accuracy without a lot of after-rifling work.

How to make a great gun even better? Add a peep sight!
One really nice upgrade is the Crosman 64 peep sight. It installs easily and just about doubles the precision of your aim. You can install red dot sights and scopes as well, but for that you also need to buy the Crosman B272 4-piece Intermount to serve as a base for the dot sight or scope mounts.

With the right pellets, I get 0.50" groups at 60 feet!
I recommend Crosman Premiers and JSB Exact domed pellets for both calibers of this rifle. Pyramyd says you can expect 1/2" groups at 33 feet, but my experience says you'll get that out to 60 feet - if you do your job! This air rifle is definitely one that can train you to be a better shot.

Quality American airguns are still being made - affordably!
The bottom line with these two air rifles is that they're out of the past, yet as modern as they have to be. If you appreciate quality American products, these two certainly fit the bill. I guess you can tell I'm a big fan of this air rifle! I hope owners of these guns will comment on how much they enjoy them.

408 Comments:

At September 20, 2005 8:30 AM, Anonymous Denny said...

Hi.While growing up I graduated from a Daisy Red Rider to a Sheridan C9. Later I bought a 392. I loved those guns. They seem to shoot forever with a minimum of attention and expense, unlike springers, PCP and Co2 guns.
I put a low powered shotgun scope on my 392 but later went to a red dot sight as the red dot seemed to be just as accurate and was much quicker to use. The peep sight is better than either, in my opinion. Buy one or more of these guns. You won't be sorry.

 
At September 20, 2005 6:09 PM, Blogger wgcherokee said...

I read on reviewcentre.com that the crosman mounts & scopes are not very good, and the B-square mounts work better with the 392. Is that true? What scope would you recommend (other than Crosman's)?
Thanks!

 
At September 20, 2005 7:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bbp, this is a site you and pyramid sould be linked from:

http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/rifledemos.htm

turtle

 
At September 20, 2005 7:57 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

wgcherokee,

I haven't heard that the Crosman Intermounts were not good, but I'll let our other readers comment on them.

The Leapers Bug Buster scope is my pick for you. It needs two-piece one-inch rings. And it focuses down to nine feet!

B.B.

 
At September 21, 2005 1:07 AM, Blogger wgcherokee said...

Would these work, then?
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=432

And BTW, B.B. I am a happier man since I discovered pyramydair and your blog. Take it from someone who grew up behind the iron curtain, secretly watching John Wayne movies and dreaming of the open range. Now the Benji really sounds like a piece of Americana I cannot miss ;)

God bless!

 
At September 21, 2005 4:40 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

wgcherokee,

Those rings should fit the B-Square base listed to the left on that page. They look like they have Weaver bases (a cross-key to attach to a cross-slotted base) and they can only fit a Weaver or Picatinny base.

As far as fitting the scope, yes, they should fit it fine. The only question is whether the rings will stop where the scope tube is smooth, because the Bug Buster is short and has a very limited mounting area. The Weaver-type base dictates where the rings stop because of the location of the slots in the base.

Thanks for reading the blog and you will love the Benjamin!

B.B.

 
At October 12, 2005 7:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I received a 0.22 Cal Benjamin Model 342 (predecessor to the 392???) for X-mas in 1976 as a 9 year old. It was an awesome gun and always outperformed all the neighbors 0.177 Cal Crosman or Daisy guns. Even in 1976 some of the kids guns had the cheap plastic stocks while mine had the nice wooden stock.

I actually still have the gun and today pulled it out to look at it. It is still in the original box I saved and I found a receipt from 1986 when I mailed it back to Benjamin factory (pre-Crosman) for repair and re-bluing ($32.00 for all that!!!). It still looks great and I think it is time to fire it again after sitting in the closet for 18 years.

 
At October 12, 2005 7:23 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Isn't it great how a simple thing like an old pellet gun can bring back memories of a wonderful time?

And remember to always leave one or two pumps in the gun when you store it. That keeps the valves closed against dirt.

B.B.

 
At November 07, 2005 9:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too recently pulled out my old Model 342 and want to get it back in shape for my boys to use. At some point in the last 30 years (has it really been that long?) the rear sight has broken off. Can anyone recommend a place to purchase a sight or perhaps upgrade to a peep sight or scope?

 
At November 21, 2005 3:40 PM, Anonymous Brian said...

B.B.,
I am a typical newbie that needs a inexpensive rifle to take care of some pests but also would like something that will be accurate, well made and fun to use. I am considering, based on your posts, the 22SG, 392 or the blue/silver streak. I dont mind paying an extra 50-100 bucks or so for much better quality. How would you compare the accuracy, quality/durabily and fun factor of these rifles? Is there something else under $200 that I should consider.

(For now I am only considering multipumps - although the 22cal Bejamin springer did catch my attention.)

Thanks for any help you can provide.

 
At November 21, 2005 4:01 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Brian,

If you have the money, I recommend either one of the Sheridans or the Benjamin 392. They are all very nice guns and are accurate enough to pot a cottontail rabbit at 35 yards with open sights. I know because I have done it.

All three guns are more powerful than the 22SG, which is primarily why I am recommending them. I like the 22SG a lot, but it does not equal the fit and finish of any of the three other guns.

As for the Benjamin spring gun, I like multi-pumps better in this price range.

B.B.

 
At November 21, 2005 4:04 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

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At November 22, 2005 3:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

Thanks for your quick response, I will probably purchase the 392.
But I keep lingering over the spring pistons...

Can you recommend a good quality spring piston for under $250 that is appropriate for someone who is newly interested in the hobby? For example the Gamo 890S, Beeman SS1000/GH950-GS1000. RWS24 or 34?

Sorry for all the questions, but the more I look at it the more I want and I am getting way beyond my original need.

Brian

 
At November 22, 2005 4:24 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Brian,

You don't need to apologise. Questions are what I'm here for.

Take a look at the Webley Exocet. Webley is a great name in spring guns. I've never tested one but I trust anything Webley makes in England.

If you just want to have fun, the IZH Baikal 61 cannot be beat. It's accurate and inexpensive. Not very powerful, but a true delight to shoot.

My top pick with your budget is Beeman's HW30. It is also not very powerful, but it has a wonderful heritage behind it. If you can squeak a few more dollars, the Beeman R7 is an all-time classic. You would be very proud to own one.

I have heard good things about the RWS 94. It is Spanish-made, but from what I hear, a cut above the rest.

I also like the Gamo Shadow 1000, but be prepared to break it in. Gamos take thousands of shots to become really good and smooth, while a Weihrauch breaks in in about 1,000 shots.

B.B.

 
At November 22, 2005 5:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

Thanks again, your are providing me quite an education. One thing - I am using this for some pest hunting so I need the 22cal. I need to double check, but I think the Webley is available in 22, R7 in 20. I like the light cocking effort on the R7 too.

Thanks for all of your help!

Brian

 
At December 18, 2005 9:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please help! I have a Benjamin Franklin 342, .22 cal. Everything worked just fine until I hide it (from the kids) in the garage compartment last summer. I guest
the heat must have done a great damage to the rubber/sealer (that rubber thing that attaches to the
pump lever).

Now that when I pump.. it just glides thru very smoothly and does not generate air. I droped some W40
in the air hole (it says do not oil.. but I tried anyways according to a guy's suggestions in the Diamonds air gun forum who had the same problems).. It still DOES NOT work.

What do I need to do now or what part(s) needs to be replaced/fixed. Thanks.
Dav

 
At December 22, 2005 9:55 PM, Blogger CM Smokin said...

I have a Benjamin model 342 Air Rifle in need of repair. Unfortunately did not store with "a pump or 2" and I'm afraid dirt and time have taken a toll. Any ideas where I might turn to?

 
At December 23, 2005 2:08 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Dav,

This is from the july 20 post. The index is on Sep 30.

George Pena
George is a Texan who fixes American pneumatics. His business card says "Benjamin, Sheridan and old Crosman model 140/1400 pneumatic air rifle repair." He puts them back to factory specs. I've shot a vintage Sheridan he resealed, and he did a great job. Not only does the gun shoot like new, he didn't mess up the vintage finish on a significant collectible while he did the work! George is at heligun1@msn.com or 512-863-2951.

Rick Willnecker
Rick is in Pennsylvania, where he repairs vintage and modern Crosman, Benjamin and Sheridan guns. Rick is another guy who has been doing this for several decades, and he's very methodical in his work. He will restore airguns to operational specs, but he won't increase power in guns beyond the factory levels. Contact him at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481.

Either of these two guys is perfect for your needs. Merry Christmas,

B.B.

 
At January 24, 2006 6:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bought a Benjamin 392 in 1975 and still have it today. It still shoots like new and never
needed any repair. The Benjamin has laid to rest many pests and even taken game as large as racoons.
I have bought and sold many other airguns from diasy, marksman, beeman, crosman and RWS but
this one will never be sold.

 
At January 25, 2006 7:42 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Thanks for that report.

B.B.

 
At February 03, 2006 7:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still rings true. I purchased the Benjamin 392 Commerative. I have number 142 of the 500 that are going to be made. It comes with a nice scope that must be worth at least $70.00. It is just wonderful to fire and accurate. A very comfortable rifle to handle. I like it and will care for it so it will hold it's value and maybe increase. Thanks for the information on it which helped make my decision to purchase... F Nash

 
At February 04, 2006 4:28 PM, Blogger doug said...

Trying to find a repair or restoration parts for a 1960's Benjamin Franklin pellet rifle 177cal.

 
At February 04, 2006 5:36 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Doug,

It's a Benjamin, not a Benjamin Franklin. That's just a play on the company name.

Try the airgun fit-it stations listed in this blog:

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/07/co2-and-pneumatic-guns-where-to-get.html

B.B.

 
At February 07, 2006 4:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

great site... not very web savy, so I just found it :)

I've got an old pneumatic in .20 that I believe to be a sheridan, but it's unmarked except the end cap with the thumb depress safety, which says "hold down to fire"

The forend/ pump handle is straight, not a short corn cobb or beavertailed, and extends to within about 2" of the muzzle end, the grain is continuous from butt end to muzzle.

I'd like to find a reseal kit for this and return it to shooting condition, as it was given to me some years ago as "the most innacurate air gun I've ever shot" no wonder this, as he was firing .177 pellets in it.

I'd like to reseal the gun myself, as I'm relativley mechanically inclined, but I don't know where to buy the parts, any ideas?

Hopefully the description will help you date the gun in case there was a part difference.

On another note, do you happen to know what the original velocity was for the german made "tell II" air pistols, made back in the 20's or 30's? (interesting little spring piston guns where the piston surrounds the barrel)

The tell II shoots, but seems a little underpowered, probably from 70+ years of use. I'd like to have this one gone over by a profesional (wouldn't want to try and tackle that one!) but have no idea where to start looking for someone who's fammiliar with them.

thanks for any help you can provide, and sorry about being long winded!

 
At February 08, 2006 10:06 PM, Anonymous Greg said...

I bought a Benjamin 342 years ago for my father to control sparrows and starlings on his Purple Martin nesting boxes. He has moved up to bigger and better air rifles now and he recently gavee the Benjamin back to me. The pump mechinism is broken and I think a part is missing. Can you reccomend a good repair shop to send my gun to for repair?

Thanks for you help

gb

 
At February 12, 2006 7:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
My first and only gun right know is an Avanti 853 legend. Dont get me wrong I love this gun the accuracy is amazing but the knockdown power is not so great. Im a kid and I want some power!:) Anyway I was wondering do you think a 15 year old male could easily pump this gun. Also I am living in NJ and I am forced to shoot indoors I have a 55 foot+ range with cement walls do you think this rifle is too powerfull to shoot indoors?
Thanks in advance,
Nick

 
At February 14, 2006 8:09 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Greg,

I was out of the office until today. Sorry for the delay answering you.

There are two great Benjamin repair stations:

Rick Willnecker at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481

and

George Pena at heligun1@msn.com or 512-863-2951.

B.B.

 
At February 14, 2006 8:25 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Nick,

Yes, you can pump the Benjamin. Up to five pumps will be easy. Pumps six through eight will be harder, but you don't always need them.

If you want more power at a great price, this is a great way to go.

B.B.

 
At March 23, 2006 4:44 PM, Anonymous bob said...

i am 14 years old and 5'1 and 106 pounds
i currently have the daisy 880
i would like to upgrade to either the 392 or the 22sg
money is not an issue but i heard that the 392 is hard to pump nad wheny you mount a scope with the 4- piece intermounts, then it will be harder to pump because you cant get a good hold
also i heard that you need a long eye relief scope
i have the daisy powerline 3x-9x 32mm
scope...will this be good on the 392?
or should i get the 22sg
i mainly want to use it for plinking and hunting squirrels, possums, and feathered pests
which gun should i get???
thanks

 
At March 23, 2006 5:37 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

bob,

Good question. You have obviously thought this thing through. I would recommend the Daisy 22SG for two reasons. First, it handles a scope better and it sounds to me like you have your heart set on a scope. And of course it comes with a scope, too. The second reason is the additional effort the 392 takes with pumps 6 through 8. The Daisy is also harder as the number of pumps increases, but not as hard as the Benjamin.

I have no doubt you can handle either rifle, but the way you want to use it, I'd get the Daisy. On possums I'd be sure to use a head shot, only.

B.B.

 
At March 28, 2006 9:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello there i have the older model 880 the cast version tells you how old it is one of the first 880's on the market.I believe. i got it back in the early 80's.As a kid i have killed more animals with it then you can imagine,My favorite pellet was the promethus bullet,it was a lite pellet at the time they were black. now only in yellow i believe.A friend i used to hang arroud with never had a gun so i sold him a 397 he sent it in had it redone and i had a tough time shooting agains him.i believe he still has the gun to this day .I have resaled this gun once but am no longer able to find the relief vale for it.so it looks like im on the market for a new 397.would like to find a older one and redo myself.but the little 880 served me for over 20 yrs i still shoot it on occansion but it's time to retire it i believe .mike

 
At May 14, 2006 3:16 PM, Blogger Alex said...

Hi My Name Is Alex And I was debating on getting a Benjamin Sheridan Pump Gun. I was wondering what your recomendations would be on what cal to get either the .177 or the .22 I am trying to get rid of a couple blackbirds near my house. I also would like to know what pellets work the best with this gun and for pest shooting. Thank you

 
At June 01, 2006 8:36 PM, Blogger caballeromario85 said...

hello i was wondering if you guys can help me, i have a 397 in the ranch and we use it for pest, love that rifle i have had it for around 7 years and still works like new, i gave the rifle to my younger brohter and wanted to get myself a new one, i was looking at the 392, shadow 1000, and the mendoza 2003, any recomendations, and what would you guys recomend spring or pump? thanks:D

 
At June 02, 2006 7:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

397,

You already know what a wonderful airgun this is. I vote for the 392. The other two are spring guns that require a lot of shooting technique to use. As for the Mendoza, I hear many bad reports. I'd stay away from that model.

B.B.

 
At June 02, 2006 10:01 PM, Blogger caballeromario85 said...

Thanks ill be getting one next week from you guys thanks alot!!!!

 
At June 17, 2006 12:46 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

Im considering returning the diasy and exchanging it for a blue streak or a 392.

Does the blue streak outperform the 392? I can get a blue streak locally.

 
At June 17, 2006 2:21 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

The Blue Streak and 392 are very equivalent.

B.B.

 
At June 19, 2006 9:11 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

im putting my friends 392 to the test.

BB,

Do you have any tips on testing the 392?

I'm going to sight it with a BSA 3-12x 44mm scope.

 
At June 20, 2006 7:16 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Don't touch the scope when handling the rifle. Multi-pumps with scopes are VERY sensitive to handling.

Also, try five pumps or six instead of the maximum. The rifle may be more accurate.

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2006 11:02 AM, Blogger Steve said...

Hi B.B.

Just ordered a 392 last night, and I'm looking forward to its delivery. I used to own a Blue Streak back in the early '70s, and used to hunt squirrels in San Jose, CA before the fields got covered over in silicon. Those were the days.

Anyway, my wife got tired of the crows eating to their hearts content in our cherry tree, and said it was time to get an air rifle. The last time she appealed to my basic caveman nature, I went out and bought a bigger sailboat. Bless her heart. So, I was all over the airgun idea. Initially, she wanted a BB gun. I kinda rolled my eyes, and said no, "we" need something with a little more umph. The Sheridan is what I had on my mind.

I did a web search, and found your web site, among others. After a week of doing my research, I decided that the Benjamin would be the most practical rifle for "our" needs.

This decision was not easily made. I found that there were quite a few other rifles that I wanted, in particular, the Webley Xocet and the RWS 34. After agonizing over all the pros and cons of owning a "nicer" model over the 392, I finally came down to earth. "We" just want to do a little pest control and not spend a lot of money on something we don't need. But I would have really liked the Webley even if it was just for some casual plinking.

Anyway, I let my practical side won out. The Webley or RWS 34 would probably have been too powerfull for the backyard. With the Benjamin, I can regulate the velocity of the gun for pest control and just plinking around when I need a break in the afternoon from staring at a computer monitor. Plus, the lack of recoil will make it more comfortable for my wife to use. She should be able to handle four or five pumps as well. Who knows, maybe the Benjamin will encourage her to get "us" a Webley that with us when we sail to some of the islands in the Puget Sound.

Cheers,
Steve

 
At June 20, 2006 11:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Steve,

My wife took posession of my Blue Streak when rats invaded out house. Development in the woods nearby drove hundreds of rats in all directions.

I taught her how to use it and she killed at least 11, including five in a row that were just sunning themselves on our steps. Her best shot was a between-the-eyes offhand shot from 25 feet.

I had to put a yellow twist tie around the triggerguard so she could identify the Blue Streak among my other airguns (the pellet box was yellow in those days).

So I understand,

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2006 2:09 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

Im really falling in love with this rifle. I shot Crow magnums, predators, gamo humters, daisy flat nose, and kodiaks through it. I was suprised to find that the predators gave me a .75group at 10 yards. The diablos gave me the best groupings, .40 at 10 yards. Crow mangums gave .65 with 5 shots. Diasy flat nose gave me groups a little bit tighter then the crow magnums. The gamo hunters were the worst for some reason. I must have got a bad batch. I noticed some of them were a little bent.
The bolt is really easy. I REALLY LOVE THE FEEL OF THIS RIFLE! It would have been nice if it had fiber optic sights. This might have been the rifle I wanted all along.

A++

This is the best Air Rifle I have ever used. :)

 
At June 20, 2006 3:54 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

BB,

What scope mounting system is best for this rifle??

What do I need to mount a scope closer to the cheek piece?

I want something like this system on my rifle.

http://www.airgunexpress.com/NEWJPEGS/115-48-0397-E.jpg - copy and paste to adress bar.


What pieces would I need to install a system like this?

 
At June 20, 2006 4:03 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

That's just a B-Square 17010 Weaver scope base. Pyramyd sells it. Don't forget to use Weaver rings.

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2006 4:13 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

I found it :)
its a B-Square Blue Streak Weaver Mount w/Rings. :)

 
At June 28, 2006 4:59 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

BB,

I shot about 100 premiers and 100 benjamin pellets through the 392. I mounted the installed the bsquare system and mounted my 3-9x32 leapers scope to it. The rear sight got in the way when i mounted it though, so I positioned the scope turret closer to the rear ring. The scope sits right behind the rear sight. The b-square piece is Tight and I applied locktite to the screws and let it sit overnight after I installed it.

The groups will come and go. after placing a few shots after the windage or elevation pieces are set. It shots at random spots.

Example: It was shooting a few clicks to the right and several clicks to low. After a few clicks to the left and the impact point is vertically alligned with the target point. I will turn it up for a higher impact point and all of a sudden the next few shots will fall to far to the left and move a few clicks up from its last impact point. Is the scope the problem???

I had a little bit of a problem when i mounted it on the shadow 1000. I had to keep aligning it. I tried to mount the bsa 3-12 x44 scope but the rear piece of the sights that are installed on the benjamin will get in the wayand wont allow it to sit correctly on the front ring.

The bsqaure mount IS SOLID. REal tight.

What do you think the problems are BB?

What would you do if your were in my position?

Can anyone help please??? :|

Thank you bb.

 
At June 28, 2006 5:02 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

I took 4 shots ater each adjustment. I hate to think the leapers scope is the problem becuase that would be the 3rd defected item from pyramid.

 
At June 28, 2006 6:52 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Tell me how far out both the windage and elevation knobs are turned.

B.B.

 
At June 29, 2006 2:12 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

The top turret was turned 900 degrees south. The windage was turned 540 degrees west. I hope that answeres your question.

 
At June 29, 2006 2:26 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

What you are telling me is that both knobs have been rotated many TIMES to bring the reticle and striking point of the pellet together. I believe that is the problem. I can't tell how far 900 degrees south (down?) is, but I know it's a lot. The reason I can't tell is I don't know where the knob was set when you started. While you would THINK it was exactly in the center of the range of travel, I have never seen one come from the factory that way. So if you are schrunched way down on the elevation, the erector tube spring may be compressed.

If you have gone in the other direction, the spring is relaxed and that WILL CAUSE the shifting aim points you describe. In fact, that is the LEADING contributor to "scope shift!"

You need adjustable scope mounts to resolve this problem. That way the scope knobs can be centered and the mounts will account for the aim-off you need to get sighted in.

Read this post:
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/01/adjustable-scope-mounts.html

B.B.

 
At June 30, 2006 9:16 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

I exchanged the gun for another one off the shelf. I sighted it to have the impact of the pellet fall 1.5 inches under the center of the riticle. It is vertically aligned with the reticle and the premiers are falling into the same hole every time. I noticed alot of friction when I started pumping it the first 20 shots. I pumped each shot up to 5 pumps. It has started to get smoother.

Should I add pellgunoil to the joints, or is this just what happens when the joints are not in motion for an extended time?

How do you keep your 392 in tip top shape?

I decided to exchange it after checking for and discovering more run away pellets with open sights.

I read the posts you directed me to. thank you.

 
At July 01, 2006 9:11 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Pellgunoil isn't a good lubricant. It's more of a sealant. So for all the joints, I'd suggest a common household oil. Just a drop per joint should do it.

Five pumps is usually the most accurate spot for a Benjamin, by the way.

B.B.

 
At July 04, 2006 9:27 AM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

BB,

Household oils like cooking oils?

What about 3 in 1 oil?

I found it at a local bi-mart and I spoke to a associate about it and he siad he used it on his old crosman.

The only oils I have in the house are cooking oils.

Cesar

 
At July 04, 2006 10:11 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

Household oils as in 3-in-1. Cooking oils are not good for gun lubrication because they don't have the viscosity you need.

Most homes keep a can of 3-in-1 for lubricating the hinges when they squeak.

B.B.

 
At July 04, 2006 7:56 PM, Blogger Jovie said...

B.B.
Would you happen to know the difference between the updated model 392 and a model 342? Will the model 392 repair kit at pyramydair be compatible with my model 342?
Thanks,
Jovie

 
At July 05, 2006 5:54 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Jovie,

I suspect that it is, but I don't know for sure. I would call Crosman and ask their technical people.

When you ask, ask whether the 392 parts fit. There is no kit, officially. Pyramyd Air provides it as a service to their customers, but Crosman will not recognize it.

B.B.

 
At July 05, 2006 6:47 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

Hey BB,

I shaved the b-square attachment part of the benjamin 392. I dont know the names of the parts but the scew from the b-square attachment kit and the part you screw it into on the beji are both shaved really bad. What can I do to fix the problem????

I over tightened it becuase I couldnt get the mounting to sit properly. I uninstalled it and tilted it back a bit and installed it. When i started tightening the front part, the scew justs kept rolling as if it had no thread. I un installed it and discovered that both the screw and the benji was shaved.

Is this a problem that only crosman can fix?

cesar

 
At July 06, 2006 7:39 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cesar,

It sounds like you have stripped the screw threads from the holes. The solution for this is to drill the holes larger and tap them with larger threads. Then use an appropriate screw.

B.B.

 
At July 06, 2006 10:56 AM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

thanks BB

 
At August 04, 2006 12:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I had never seen or heard of a Benjamin Sheridan until a couple of months ago. I owned a Crosman 76 (?) over twenty years ago as a young teen -- it was a pretty good back then. About a year ago I bought a Crosman 357 for kicks.

I was over a friends house and he had one of these Benjamin Sheridans proped against the door. I had just glanced at it, and with its short and stocky appearance I thought it was a shootgun until he picked it up to disuade a squirrel out of his garden. Having never seen a hardwood pellet gun, and with the looks of it I have to have one.

Well, my question is what are the subtle differences between the 392 (.22 cal) and the (.20)Blue Streak. I'm leaning towards the 392 because of the heavier caliber, cheaper price and higher availability of ammo.

The Blue Streak does seem to have a slightly more stremlined look. Is the quality higher in the .20 caliber? What are the differences (better quality, more agressive look, traditional mantle bearer???), if any. Which would you recommend for any given circumstance and why. I'm sure I'd be happy with either one, but this will be the only air rifle I will own, and I want to get the right one. I read you own the .20 cal and a .22 cal of something pricier? Help me to make the right choice because compared with your knowledge of this product I'm relatively clueless.

SOLD in N.C.

 
At August 04, 2006 12:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

... And sir,

How difficult is it to install the peepsight, and does Pyramid Air install this sight for you if requested?

Sold in N.C.

 
At August 04, 2006 8:34 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

SOLD in N.C.,

There isn't much difference between the two rifles today. Crosman bought both companies years ago and the two rifles have slowly morphed together into essentially the same gun. Crosman also has ceased production of their .20 caliber Premier pellet, so there is one less great pellet for the Blue Streak. I would get the Benjamin, if I were you.

The peep sight used to be a very simple affait to install. Just bolt it on and that's it. The screws and holes are already there.

Having said that, it's best to ask Pyramyd Air when you place your order. I know they do offer services like mounting scopes, so there is a strong possibility they will mount this sight for you.

The best pellet for your gun is the JSB Exact domed pellet. It should be quite accurate.

Enjoy your new airgun!

B.B.

 
At August 06, 2006 1:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey B.B. Pelletier,

what scope would you recommend for this gun, aswell as mounts and rings? i plan on buying this rifle and don't know what to get for it.

also, which caliber would you recommend or prefer?
and for either caliber, which brand of pellets or bbs are the most accurate in your opinion?

thank you for your time. i look forward to your advice.

 
At August 06, 2006 10:07 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't believe in scopes on multi-pump pneumatics. They make the gun too hard to pump. My choice is the Williams peep sight.

However, if I were to mount a scope on the 392/397 I would use the B-Square Weaver scope base for Benjamin Sheridan Blue Streak. Although this mount specifically does not say that it's for the 397/392, Crosman makes both those rifle and the Blue Streak and there isn't much difference between them. Pyramyd also shows that this mount is for the Benjamin rifles.

Use AccuShot 2-piece 1-inch Weaver rings and I would mount a Bug Buster or Bug Buster 2. These are Leapers scopes that focus as close as 3 yards. The Bug Buster is 4 power, the Bug Buster 2 is 6.

B.B.B

 
At August 09, 2006 8:18 PM, Blogger indio70 said...

Dear B.B.

TThanks for the advice! I got my 392 via regular land transport (2 days) today. Great gun, no comparison to the cheap plastic air rifles.

 
At August 09, 2006 8:19 PM, Blogger indio70 said...

SOLD in N.C.

 
At August 21, 2006 6:59 AM, Anonymous LeoJr2006 said...

I've seen one person's new 392LE destroyed by what Crosman deems 'Scope too heavy.' The scope was mounted on the factory cut dovetail, and after a couple weeks, the whole barrel and breech broke off at the solder joint. Is there any way around this? Are there any mounts that wrap around the entire pump tube instead of just clamping to the barrel?

 
At August 21, 2006 8:18 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

LeoJr2006,

There are no scope mounts that wrap about the entire pump tube.

B.B.

 
At August 22, 2006 7:48 PM, Blogger HOT SHOT said...

do you have to use a scope with the 392 sheridan? can i just use it out the box?

 
At August 23, 2006 6:44 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't even recommend scoping a multi-pump. Use it the way it comes from the factory!

B.B.

 
At August 26, 2006 3:14 PM, Blogger applemaniac said...

Thanks for the recommendation B.B.
I bought mine yesterday morning and snuck it past my wife. I waited for her to go out and then I went in the Back yard to check it out and sight it in. The open sights were a bit off but with a few adjustments I was getting great groups with benjamin .22 diabolo's. I went to make one last adjustment to the elevation and part of the tip on top for the flat head screw driver popped right off so I broght it back and exchanged it for a new one. I brought that one to my buddys house for our ussual friday afternoon plinking. I pulled it out and went to sight it in and my first five shots were all really tight, it is a little bit of a bear to get the last 2 pumps especially since I have been ussing my springers so long but I have found that for just plinking aroung 5 to 6 punps have been plenty. we have taken various small sppons and bent the handles around poles that we put at different ranges, for the rest of the afternoon I shot 13 times at the small soup spoon at 20 yrds and hit it 13 out of 13 times with the open sights (that I never adjusted), My friend had initially boohooed a pump gun but was really impressed with how good looking and accurate it was, but mainly how powerful it was "for some pump gun" as he put it. He handed me one of his 20 gr Eun Jin pelles he uses on his Sumatra and I still nailed the spoon at 20 yrds with out needing to adjust for elevation. I plan on using the open sight and not mounting a scope on this rifle.It did need some cleaning up from the box, the metal needed a good rub down and I lightly oiled the stock and rubbed it down and now it is beautiful. It looks great next to the rest of my guns and adds a little variety to my collection. I am very happy I bought it and my wife should be too when I tell her next month - Thanks for another winner - AppleManiac

 
At September 04, 2006 1:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a Benjamin Model 112. It belonged to one of my uncle's and the only thing I know about the gun is that it dates back to the early 1940's. It was missing the trigger and a gentleman in INdiana replaced it. Any info you have would be most appreciated. thanks....Bill B

 
At September 04, 2006 2:44 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Bill B.,

According to the Blue Book the 112 was made from 1938 to 1941. It has a transition-style pump, that attemps to transition from a front-pumper to an underlever. This pump is very weak a prone to wear out. The pins are too small and they loosen up from use.

The value of the gun ranges from $40 in working condition and no finish up to $200 with all the original black nickle over silver nickle and in a good box.

B.B.

 
At September 08, 2006 4:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Feb. 4th '06 Doug called his 1960s pellet rifle a Benjamin Franklin. B.B. Pelletier said "It's a Benjamin, not a Benjamin Franklin. That's just a play on the company name." I have a late '60s model 312 and on the left side, below the bolt, it says "Benjamin Franklin".
By the way there is a "potential problem" with several older airguns and they are offering $50.00 credit toward the purchase of a 392 or a 397. Roy

 
At September 08, 2006 5:04 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Roy,

Once again - there is no Benjamin Franklin airgun. When something is put in quotes and isn't a direct quote, it means that everything inside the quotation marks is untrue. This is a gramatical way of expressing a tongue-in-cheek joke.

In the day when Benjamin did that (put those words on left side the gun in quotes) people read more and got the inference. Today, it causes a lot of confusion.

I'm aware that Crosman (not Pyramyd Air) is offering credit for these old guns. They want to remove them from the market. Fortunately there are plenty of places to get them repaired.

Crosman's hangup is that the triggers are lighter than today's guns, there are no safeties and they are concerned about liability, since they own the company.

B.B.

 
At September 08, 2006 6:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.
Your last two paragraphs were interesting, I was all set to trade my old 312 (it needs some work on it, after all of these years) in on a new 392, it seems to be well liked, (the 392s) by the comments I've read in this column. Now I'm going to have to rethink my earlier decision. Roy

 
At September 09, 2006 7:42 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Roy,

A 312 is virtually identical in power and accuracy to a 392. And the old gun is slimmer than the new one. While the 392 is in no way any worse than the old one, itr's also no better in terms of performance.

Your old gun is probably worth about the $50 credit Crosman offers, but spending some more getting it fixed up would probably be a good idea.

Contact George Pena.
George is at heligun1@msn.com or 512-863-2951.

B.B.

 
At September 12, 2006 6:53 PM, Anonymous Josh said...

BB,

I was looking at the three models on the Pyramyd Air site, (392, 397, C9) and it quotes a speed of 675 for the blue streak, and 685 for the 392. Does the .22 gun really put out that much more power!?

-Josh

 
At September 13, 2006 6:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Josh,

The power of the Blue Streak and the 392 are identical. The numbers quoted are just numbers. Figure them to be equal in power. Ten f.p.s. is too close to call, and each rifle will differ by more than that.

The 397 does lose energy because of the lighter .177 pellet.

B.B.

 
At September 14, 2006 11:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

I just bought the 392 from you guys, and a scope and the B272 mounts that I need to mount on the gun before I can mount the scope.

My big problem is that after the screws are all the way in, they still slide up and down the barrel. There's no way to tighten them enough and I have no way to use the scope.

Also, it seems the only place to mount the scope is halfway down the barrel even if I could get the intermounts to stay in one place.

Could you please provide me with some advice to get this to work?

Thanks a lot,
Michael.

 
At September 15, 2006 6:23 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Michael,

I answered this question on the other post you attached it to.

You need to call Pyramyd Air and talk to a customer representative. They will handle this problem for you. The intermount is designed specifically for this rifle, so the one you received must have a problem.

B.B.

 
At September 19, 2006 9:04 PM, Anonymous Josh said...

BB,

When buying a used 392 or C9, is there anything to watch out for? How much should I expect to pay for an older model, but not old enough to be collectable? I've got one on the radar, so I'm pretty curious.

-Josh

 
At September 20, 2006 7:15 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Josh,

Besides not working or holding air, the biggest fault both rifles have is a broken solder joint between the barrel and the pump tube. The culprit is the intermounts. When they are tightened too much, they pop the barrel loose.

B.B.

 
At September 21, 2006 12:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a .22 cal benjamin model 342 and was wondering if there is a kit i can repair it with. the rubber/leather seal has been damaged from sitting for so many years and will not pump air. it justs pumps very smoothly and does not compress air. it was my brothers and i would like to fix it and give it back to him as a suprise. thank you so much

 
At September 21, 2006 1:05 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Call Pyramyd Air and ask Boris if he has a kit for you. I believ he does. 888-262-4867.

B.B.

 
At September 21, 2006 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey BB
I bought a daisy powerline 1000 with a scope earlier this summer and Ive had a lot of accuracy problems. I can't tell if Im just not used to the peculiar recoil of spring guns or if there is a problem with the gun or scope. I was thinking of purchasing a 392 because of its paucity of recoil. Do you think the 392 is an overall more accurate gun than the powerline 1000? Also I've heard good things about the new predator polymer tipped hollow points. Have you ever tried them with the 392? Thanks a lot.
-Bob

 
At September 22, 2006 6:36 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Bob,

A 392 is probably not more accurate than a Powerline 1000, but it is much easier to shoot.

Those pellets with polymer tips are not as accurate as the pellets I keeps mentioning - the JSB Exact domed and the Beeman Kodiak. I haven't tried them in a 392, but I have tested them at distance extensively in an AirForce Talon SS. A rifle that groups 3/8" at 35 yards with JSB domes will group about 3/4" with the JSB Predators (that's the name of the hollowpoint pellets we are talking about).

B.B.

 
At September 26, 2006 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB-
Two more questions: I was under the impression that the 392 and the .20 cal bluestreak are essentially the same rifle in different calibers, however they are both listed at 685 fps on your site. Is this a mistake or is there actually a difference in power plants? Secondly, have you ever tried the benjamin sheridan cylindrical pellets in either of these uns and if so how do they perform? Thanks a lot.
-Bob

 
At September 26, 2006 2:43 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Bob,

These used to be different guns made by different companies. Then Benjamin bought Sheridan, and still later Corsman bought Benjamin.

Now the rifles are essentially the same. They differ in some small ways, but caliber is the biggest.

The cylindrical pellets do not group as tightly as the better diabolos. At close range (under 20 yards) they are fine, but I would use a diabolo at longer ranges.

B.B.

 
At September 30, 2006 1:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave it to the lawmakers to dictate what a fire arm is.
I bought a 392 12 yrs ago,I wanted one 50 years but I couldn't talk my dad into it so had to wait.When I did buy it I also bought one for my son,we both shoot a lot and we take starlings well past 50yds.Mine is geting polished from pumping but it is still shooting at max velocity,this I have checked with a chronograph. R.R.

 
At October 03, 2006 10:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
Have you ever tried a 397 with a pellet weight about that of the .22? Offhand, I seem to recall you could get .177's in the 14-15 gr category.

I realize there may be other inefficiencies besides the light pellet.

 
At October 04, 2006 6:44 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I have not tried a 397 with an extra-heavy pellet. I don't own a 397, so all my shooting is with.20 and .22 multi-pumps. I do know that extra-heavy .20 and .22 pellets are not as accurate as medium-weight pellets.

B.B.

 
At October 12, 2006 6:03 PM, Blogger chris said...

BB, i want this gun but i dont know if i should get it is this gun have accuracy and will it take down a squirel for instance with out causing 2 much pain thanks

CHRIS

 
At October 13, 2006 9:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

I believe you mean will it kill the animal without suffering? The answer nis yes, with a good shot, it will do that. My pick is the 392 because .22 caliber is a preferred hunting caliber. Shoot for the brain and only as far as you can hit a quarter every time. For most people, that would be 15-25 yards.

B.B.

 
At October 14, 2006 3:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, thanks for awnsering so quickly I most likely will get this gun keep up the good work bb


CHRIS

 
At October 16, 2006 6:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, could you tell me what pellets would be best for this gun?Those one pellets that are called hyper volicity lead free pellets are those good for the benjamin.if not thats fine.I need to know some good pellets so i can order them with the benjamin thanks alot

CHRIS

 
At October 16, 2006 6:40 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

No, the lead pellets will be more accurate.

Try Benjamin Sheridan Diabolos, which is a domed pellet weighing 14.3 grains in .22. You can either buy them from Pyramyd Air or some Wal Marts sell them.

B.B.

 
At October 17, 2006 3:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB thanks alot for the info i will be sure to get those.

CHRIS

 
At October 19, 2006 3:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, is this gun hard to cock I want to get it for my 14yr old son.


thanks micheal anthony gallord the 3

 
At October 19, 2006 3:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i meant pump and it like did i twice.


thanks micheal anthony gallord the 3

 
At October 19, 2006 4:03 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

micheal,

Yes, the 392 is too hard for a 14 year-old, unless he's a bodybuilder. You might think about the Daisy 22SG or the Benjamin 392AS.

B.B,

 
At October 19, 2006 4:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, i dont know if this matters but he can lift about 70lbs easly thx

micheal

 
At October 21, 2006 9:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey BB when im pumping by benjamin it makes a pshh noise wen i pump it is this normal thanks

mark

 
At October 21, 2006 10:01 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Mark,

I assume this noise is coming from the muzzle? If so, no, it is not normal or good.

Here is what you need to do:

1. Get Crosman Pellgunoil. Open the pump handle and drop four drops of oil on the pump head that just becomes visible at the end of the pump slot when the pump handle is all the way open.

2. Cock the gun, then pump it rapidly and shoot it 50 times with a pellet in it. Pump 5-8 pump strokes each time. Make the final ten shots 8 strokes each.

3. This time when you set the gun aside, put two pumps in it for storage.

Your valve has dired out from the gun being stored without air in it and this should fix it.

B.B.

 
At October 21, 2006 3:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well i just got the gun yesterday.hopefully the oil will fix it but i have too order it because no where around here sells it. would oil for a gas airsoft guns work it is silcon here is the link. http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=772
will that stuff work thanks mark

 
At October 21, 2006 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB its just when i pump the gun it makes the pshh noise then when the pumper part hits the barrel part it dosent make that noise

mark

 
At October 22, 2006 7:48 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The silicone oil for airsoft guns might work, but I don't know for sure. Pellgunoil has been used for decades for this purpose.

Try my recommendation before doing anything else.

How old is your rifle?

B.B.

 
At October 22, 2006 8:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i will get the pellegun oil. my gun is 2 days old. and i figured out that the pshh noise is coming from this little hole it says air hole do not oil. is that normal?

mark

 
At October 22, 2006 8:52 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Mark,

Yes, that is entirely normal. Still, get the Pellgunoil and always store your rifle with a pump of air in it.

B.B.

 
At October 22, 2006 12:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks alot thats a relief i thought it was broken their for a second thanks bb

Mark

 
At November 12, 2006 3:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

i'm still trying to get a benjamin 392, i've checked almost all pawn shops around 30 miles from my house, my parents won't drive me to any gun shows, and they won't put any credit card numbers on the internet for fear that 'someone' will 'hack' it and take their money. its also a no go in the classifieds. craigslist.com has no towns in the area that my parents will drive to, and garage sales are also bereft of bb guns of any kind. i'm runnin out of options and ideas.

How does the Gamo Shadow 1000 compare to the 392 in accuracy with open sights(if u discount the fact that i don't know the correct way to hold and shoot springers)? I'm confident that a shot to the head on rabbits with a .177 caliber pellet rifle will kill them. Right? And i wont be shootin anything larger than rabbits either. walmart (which is 'bout 15 miles from me) sells the shadows (but at lower quality to save price i would think). Would u suggest me buying this? I'm not gettin desperate, but a .22 rifle just is too dangerous to casually shoot around the house, and that means my shotgun is out of the question. i need something to get me out of the house and away from the computer, tv, ps2, etc. and my mom thinks so too.

I'd really like the 392, but i'm pretty sure i cant get one. the shadow is a likely possibility though.
p.s. would crosman premiers be accurate with the shadow?

Insomniac

 
At November 12, 2006 3:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

Is there an alternate way to pay when u buy something on pyramyd air?
Like, say...
mailing a check?

hope im not being a bother,
Insomniac

 
At November 12, 2006 3:43 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

You have been patient and have tried the sources I suggested.

A Gamo Shadow would be as good as a 392, but they were recently recalled by Gamo. I don't know their status right now.

Yes, a Shadow will take a rabbit as you describe.

I don't know whether Pyramyd will take a check or not, but a call would find out real quick.

By the way, my own credit card info was stolen and used to by jewelry in Japan, so I know how your parents feel. Mine was probably taken by a U.S. restaurant inside team that steals CC slips. I now pay all domestic bills by cash if humans are involved.

B.B.

 
At November 12, 2006 8:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

That must haved ruined your day, would it be rude of me to ask how much u lost? and if u recovered the money?

So i assume u dont know why the shadows were recalled, but do u know how i could find out more about it? Nevermind, i'll google it.

I searched pyramyd air and found that u can pay by check!! problem solved!! and i've now got a bonus, if i buy the benjamin 392 and ten dollars worth of pellets i get eleven dollars off shipping!! Now all I have to do is collect the money!!!!!

thx for ur help bb, i should have checked the site more thouroughly and saved u, me, and my parents the time. thx for all the help, too, and, ironicaly, ur help really helped me.

I can't wait for ur next blog, i find myself sitting on the edge of my seat through the long nights, avidly awaiting ur next post... well, maybe i dont go that far, but i do enjoy ur priceless information on bb guns, pellet rifles, bbs, pellets, etc.

thx alot and thx for the blogs, the enjoyment, the help, and everything u have done for us pellet rifle enthusiasts,
Insomniac

 
At November 14, 2006 7:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

I nvr see any 392s on the sale/used lists, do u have any, shall we say hints?, of when the 392 may become available?

oh and that izh 61 looks really good too, i remembered something about the izh in ur blogs and went looking for it. I think i'll buy this first for plinking until i can force myself to save the money forthe benjamin 392. 150 dollars is a lot of money (for me) and get many ideas of wat else i can buy with it( i guess im an impulse shopper) what is the izh's accuracy at about 30-40 yards?(will it hit a pop can or a quarter?)

I would really like to go bug bustin, but the only insects around my house that i actually notice are butterflies, june bugs, asian beetles, boxelder bugs, honey bees, and sometimes a yellowjacket, most of which arent to good to shoot.

so would i be able to kill a squirrel with a headshot with the izh at 10 yards? just wonderin.

Insomniac

 
At November 15, 2006 6:29 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

I'm surprised you haven't found the American Airguns classified ads yet. Someone who spends as much time on the internet as you do should certainly have stumbled onto them by now.

Go here (and bookmark the address!).

http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/classifieds.html

Also go here

http://www.airguninfo.com/

This is the directory to what's out there.

You should start seeing lots of 392s soon.

Now, BUY A COPY OF THIS BOOK!!!

Blue Book of Airguns 5th Edition.

I say that because there are MANY rifles equivalent to the 392. For instance, how about the Benjamin 342? It's practically the same rifle. What about a Crosman 140 or 1400? Same power and accuracy, different valve design. As long as you are buying used, there is a whole world of opportunity out there.

Get the book, so you know better what to look for.

And, NO, an IZH 61 SHOULD NOT be used on animals! Insects are fine, though.

B.B.

 
At November 15, 2006 7:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

I have stumbled upon them before, but i didnt really think i'd use them alot.

I'll keep an eye out for the Blue Book of Airguns 5th Edition. Some book store than?

When I get used to plinking with the IZH-61 I'll move to insects, grasshoppers invade our area in the summer, and i think they're pests, and my parents gave me permission.. so.

I'm definetly going for the IZH-61, it's cheaper, more accurate(right?), and i like the design.

I'm already having luck with the sites u gave me thx!!

Insomniac

 
At November 18, 2006 10:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

the izh 61 gets the air pressure from cocking the side lever, right? and when the lever is pulled back u insert the pellet clip?

And speaking of pellets, which do u think work best in this rifle? crosman premiers?

thanks,
Insomniac

 
At November 18, 2006 10:48 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

Close but not exact. You cock the mainspring with the sidelever. The air is compressed when the piston moves rapidly forward, shoved by the mainspring.

I recommend wadcutters in this rifle Gamo Match are good.

B.B.

 
At November 19, 2006 7:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

so the izh is like a springer then?

i'll look out for the wadcutters!

Thanks,
Insomniac

 
At November 20, 2006 5:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

over the weekend i saw a benjamin 392 airsource (uses co2) on sale for 109.99. wow. what do u think? should i get it? the fps of this rifle is down quite a bit,i would have to buy co2 for it, or refill the tank.

accuracy shouldnt be affected, but the velocity would change with the temp. right? It's $140 when its not on sale, so what do u think I want the benjamin 392, but is it worth it to get this? what r ur opinions on this rifle like this?

Insomniac

 
At November 20, 2006 5:19 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

I happen to own an AS392T and I like it a lot. The receiver is steel and has a longer scope rail than the pneumatic, so it is much easier to scope. Yes, the power is lower and, yes, it varies with temperature. Below 50 degrees F it won't shoot too hard. But it's a fine airgun.

Yes, get it.

B.B.

 
At November 20, 2006 6:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,

wow. superfast reply! thanks! wont be too much fun in the winter then i guess, could i shoot it in my basement?

the co2 tanks cost almost ten dollars i see, is there an alternative? refills are about 20 cents an ounce so it wouldnt be too big of a deal, especially if i buy a few tanks to keep filled if i run out. would u use this gun for squirrels and rabbits? thats what i would like to do with it.

How many fps does it get on low power?

i guess co2 refills could be a problem. I think i might stick to the 392 pump or the izh 61. i want a consistent power, variable, pellet rifle that works in varying temps, with a bit more power. or a light very accurate rifle such as the izh 61.

thanks,
Insomniac

 
At November 23, 2006 10:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
I've read your reviews and blogs extensively, and they have helped out tremendously, thanks!

Despite reading the reviews on the Daisy 22 SG, and the Benjamin 392, I'm stuck on which one I should choose.

My priorties are mainly accuracy, balance, and quality. I now own a Gamo Shadow 1000, but I'd rather have a good, pneumatic .22 for hunting purposes. I shoot mainly squirrels, and at crows(their so hard to hit!) I'm a strong guy, and wouldn't have to worry about the extra effort to pump. Either one I buy, I'm going to want to put the Leapers 4x32 Bugbuster on it, since I hear its a pretty amazing scope for the bucks. Also, money isn't really an issue here, I'm willing to pay a little more for better quality.

 
At November 23, 2006 11:00 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Then I think there is no choice. You have to get the 392!

B.B.

 
At November 24, 2006 4:15 AM, Anonymous Chris said...

I own a benjamin Sheridan 397 and I was wondering what your opinion on this is regarding the power of it. I have takenabout 4 squirrels no problem all with good shot placement of course, but overall do you feel the 397 has good power for small game hunting? Thanks for reading.

 
At November 24, 2006 6:42 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

The Benjamin 397 is fine for hunting small game. Just keep the distances and the size of the game reasonable. You should be able to take cottontail rabbits.

B.B.

 
At November 25, 2006 10:06 AM, Anonymous tw said...

I have a Benjamin Model 342 that I got as a kid in the early 70's. Is there a way to find out the year it was made?

tw

 
At November 25, 2006 11:41 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

tw,

You might ask Crosman, who owns the Benjamin company.

B.B.

 
At December 02, 2006 1:23 PM, Blogger plinkerton said...

B. B.,

I've had a 392 about 3 weeks now, cool little gun, kinda grows on you. Looks a bit toy-like at first, until you fire it. My questions is this, what's the best way to clean these brass-barreled guns? Owners manul says nothing about cleaning the bore. So far I've just used oiled patches and quick-clean pellets. I'm afraid to use a bore brush. Any suggestions?

 
At December 02, 2006 3:37 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

plinkerton,

Never clean the barrel! That's why they don't mention it. A brass barrel can be ruined by cleaning, or last more than a hundred years by just shooting lead pellets.

No synthetics, no novelty pellets, Just lead and no cleaning.

B.B.

 
At December 03, 2006 10:02 AM, Blogger plinkerton said...

B. B.,

Eeeeck! Glad I asked! Thanks for the quick reply.

 
At December 07, 2006 5:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
I finally recieved my 392, and am kinda displeased with it. The quality of the gun is great, and I like the accuracy. However, I dont't like the pumping. I'm not sure if its because I am used to spring guns, but it is just too timeconsuming, and cumbersome for me. If I was to miss the squirrel, there no chance on this good green earth for a quick second shot. Also, I have put the gun between my legs, and press it against my body just to be able to pump it, which won't work with a scope.

So my question to you is, what is a springer thats good for accuracy in this price range? (take or give $25-50) I was looking at the Crosman 800x, but have heard that their accuracy isn't that great. If the accuracy is as respectable as my Gamo Shadow 1000, thats fine.

So,do u think I should just stick with my 392, and try to get used to it? Or should I try out the Crosman 800x?

thanks,
Phil

 
At December 08, 2006 9:37 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Phil,

A multi-pump appeals to some people but not others. It's like a flintlock rifle that takes longer to get ready, so the shooter takes extra care with the shot. If that's not for you, I recommend a spring gun.

You want a .22 with the same accuracy as a Gamo Shadow 1000. That isn't easy, but the BAM B26 is one solution, and the B40 is an even better one.

B.B.

 
At December 09, 2006 2:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
Wow thanks for the quick reply. So the crosman isn't even a candidate? I've read around a bit since I posted that last question, and read that after around 50-100 shots, it becomes a good rifle. Is that even a feasable acclaim?

I've done some more looking and have come across the Beeman SS1000, and it seems like a great deal. Just by the performance of their pellets, and the look of their guns, Beeman seems to be great quality, is this a good gun?

Thanks,
Phil

 
At December 09, 2006 2:54 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Phil,

Beeman is just an importer. Their guns come from Germany, Spain and China. The German ones are great. But the Spanish and Chinese guns are too iffy to say without testing and I haven't tested the SS 1000.

 
At December 10, 2006 10:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey bb,

I read Phil's message about how hard the gun is to pump, and sure ive gotten stronger over the last year, but I'm still pretty weak, I overly enjoy the computer and my ps2 (I border on the edge of girlish weakness...) well i've nvr been strong and i think that having to pump up the gun by holding it to my chest might take away alot of the fun. I enjoy long range plinking, i.e. with a .22 firearm. and pumping the gun up so as to get its max distance would be annoying and my arm would get tired after a few shots. Squirrels arent scarce in my woods, its just that there's no one in my family that enjoys eating them every few weeks, the birds have all migrated south, the rabbits ARE scarce, and that leaves my sisters and my cats. i know that i will be able to pump up the gun, and i still dont want the co2 392, my mom is trying to get an izh 61 or benjamin 392 for me for Christmas (she found a Benjamin 392 but she couldnt see the pump handle! i showed her the 392 on the web and it was the same one! but there are absolutely no stores selling the IZH near us... she's gone to pawn shops specialty stores, gun shops/stores, fleet farm walmart, etc. etc.) I'll have to save my money and buy the IZH off pyramydair later next year.

Can anyone help me out with names of stores (in Minnesota) that sell the IZH 61 and the Benjamin 392?

Thanks,
Insomniac

 
At December 11, 2006 3:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB I am preparing to buy a Benjamin co2 AS392T and I will put the bug buster scope on it. I plan to use the Weaver B-square scope base for the Benjamin blue streak and accushot 2 piece 1 " weaver rings. Do I need theB272 inter mount? Can I accurately hit crows out to 35 or 40 yards with this gun? Will it kill a raccoon and a grey fox if they are in very close range? I have a medical problem and am afraid of the pump models. I would rather have the Webley XOCET for the larger animals but am afraid I cannot pump the action. Can you place the muzzle of the springers on the ground and push down on the stock to break open and cock the gun? If the 392 will do the job it would be a lot easier for me. Thanks for your help.

Lonedog

 
At December 11, 2006 4:47 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lonedog,

I think you are confused. The Webley Exocet is a spring gun, not a pump gun. No, you should not put the muzzle on the ground and then cock the rifle with the stock.

The AS392T is a CO2 rifle that gets just over 600 f.p.s. with medium weight pellets. That's enough for crows, but too light for raccoons and foxes unless the shot is perfect. I wouldn't recommend it for that.

What you really need is a Talon SS. It has twice the power of the AS392T, weighs a pound less and is far more accurate. It will take foxes at 25 yards and crows at 50 with ease.

Are you perhaps living in the UK?

B.B.

 
At December 11, 2006 8:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No living much further away. Alabama!! I don't know anything about air rifles but have a need for one to shoot crows, foxes, raccoons as mentioned before. Would I be able to keep the Talon charged? Could i charge it from a portable air storage tank? air compressor, or dive shop tank? Most important how loud is it? I would defeat my purpose if it was louder than a 22LR. I was hoping one of the CO2 guns would work since that would be much easier for me to keep charged. But from your comments that wouldn't work. If the Talon is accurate and I could buy a small air compresor or something like that It sounds like the one I need. Money is not an issue. But It cannot be too loud. Thank u for your help

 
At December 11, 2006 8:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I forgot to ask you what caliber Talon SS should I get and what scope would you recommend ?

Lonedog in Alabama

 
At December 11, 2006 9:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I looked up the Talon SS on the Pyramyd Ait site. That looks like the right gun for me. The air compressor is too much money. I don't want to put that much into it. Tell me about the Logan pump. How difficult would it be to pump the full 3000 pSI into the Talon and how long would it take? If I got the Scuba Refill clamp would I just find a dive shop or would I need to buy my own tank? What would a dive shop charge to fill up the bottle. If I could get two bottles and take them to a dive shop periodically that would seem like the best option for me. What scope would you recommend and which mounts would I need? I like the 4X32 mini AO Bug Buster and the BSA Huntsman 3X12 X50. Since the Talon is light weight which would help me with my injured back and abdomen I wouldn't want to add a lot of weight with the scope. I know this is a lot of questions but I am a complete novice when it comes to air guns. I have 35 scoped centerfire rifles but never fired an air rifle. Thank you very much for helping me with this decision.
Lonedog in Alabama

 
At December 11, 2006 9:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, this my last question I promise. What pellets should I get? for pests in the back yard with the Talon set on 400fps and for fox hunting with the talon set on Max. fps? Thats it, I will leave you alone.

Lonedog

 
At December 12, 2006 5:55 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lonedog,

You have many questions. Go here and read about both the Talon and the Condor.

http://pyramydair.com/site/articles/

The Talon SS is one of the quietest precharged air rifles available.

You leave it fully charged all the time. Mine has been charged for 6 years now.

It will group an inch at 50 yards on a relatively calm day. I have shot several halfr-inch groups, but they are always special.

It won't go as low as 400 f.p.s. But at 650 f.p.s., it will do fine. It tops out at 850 f.p.s. in .22 with medium weight pellets. If you want more power than that, either change barrels to the 24-inch, or buy a Talon. Barrels and calibers change in 5-10 minutes.

You charge it to 3,000 psi from a dive cylinder. A compressor costs about $1,200.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2006 6:12 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lonedog,

It will take a while for me to answer all your questions. Yes to the Bug Buster. I've used it on my SS in the past and it's fine. It needs two-piece rings.

Yes to the dive cylinder, no to the hand pump because of the effort it requires when you go above 2,500 psi. The dive cylinder weighs about 40 pounds when filled, so factor that in. A Carbon Fiber 88 cubic foor tank weighs only 20 pounds and will fill your gun many more times than the 80 cubic foot aluminum scuba tank.

Let's make haste slowly, so you get what you want on the first go-round.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2006 8:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks BB for taking the time to answer so many questions. I believe I will get the Talon SS and add a longer barrel later if necessary. Since loudness is a concern I will probably make do with the 12 inch bbl that comes on it. One thing I still don't understand. Do you buy your own dive tank or do you just take the air bottle off the Talon to the dive shop and let them fill it. If you have to buy your own tank, what do they cost and where do you go to buy one?

Lonedog

 
At December 12, 2006 10:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, I have done some more research and see that I can buy an aluminum dive tank for around $200.00. That is not too much. Here are my last questions. Depending on your answer I will decide to buy the Talon SS or go back to a CO2 model. How many times can you fill the Talon bottle from the Dive tank assuming you are operating on a low power setting on the Talon? Approximately how much does it cost to fill a dive tank. You have been very helpful. Based on your answers I will know what to do. Thanks again.

Lonedog

 
At December 12, 2006 1:28 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Lonedog,

The number of times you can fill the guns tank doesn't change with the power setting, but the number of shots you get does.

I tell folks they'll get about two full 3,000 psi fills, then the next will be 2975, then 2925, 2850 and so on. Where you stop is up to you, but I get about 18 fills of the gun's tank from an 80 cubic foot dive tank. The last ones are around 2300 psi and since the gun stops shooting consistently around 2000 to 2100, you aren't getting as many shots with those final fills.

A steel 120 cubic foot tank give a lot more fills, but it also costs more, plus you will need a valve adaptor to make it work.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2006 5:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, that does it, I am ordering a Talon SS in the morning and the aluminum dive tank. I can't decide between the 4X32 bug Buster, the BSA huntsman 3X12X50 or the Leapers 3X9X32 32mm with the range estimating mil dot reticle and the AO. From my experience shooting 22LR's, the AO is very important. I want need the light gathering 50mm objective of the BSA so I guess it's between the bug buster and the 3X9 leapers. The 3X9 would be a good compromise and might help with sighting in. I need your recommendation for a pellet for larger animals like the grey fox and for smaller targets like crows. I will experiment with any you suggest. I am assuming this gun has a rail so I only need rims not bases.Thanks for helping me decide.

Lonedog

 
At December 13, 2006 5:53 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lonedog,

The AirForce guns have more 11mm rails than any airgun made! The entire top of the gun is one long rail, so yes, just get rings with 11mm clamps on their bases.

The 3-9 will reach out farther with precision. There is also a 6power Bug Buster 2, so look at that, as well.

The caliber is .22 and the pellets of Choice are JSB Exact Jumbo 15.9-grain (domed), Beeman Kodiak, Logun Penetrator 20.5-grain (not the 16-grain), and Crosman Premier in the cardboard box.

The heavy pellets like the Kodiak and Logun won't be as accurate at low power, and the JSB is the all-around champion in these rifles.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2006 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, thats everything I needed to know. I had a thought. I have several center fire scopes lying around that I don't have a home for; 3 X 9's and one 4 x 16 weaver with an AO that focuses down to less than 10 yards. Since the Talon SS dosen't have much recoil couldn't I use one of these scopes. Also I have been reading that you should use B-Square AA adjustable ultra high rings with the big objective, high power scopes like the 4 X 16. Is that correct? They look really good on the Talon with a big scope. If I had gone to the local sporting goods store with my lack of knowledge there is no telling what I might have bought. You have been great helping me get what I need. Thanks!

Lonedog

 
At December 13, 2006 9:52 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lonedog,

Sure you can use your scopes! The Talon and Talon SS has no recoil and the Ao is correct.

You need the high mounts to raise the scope up to your eye, not for scope clearance. AirForce sells a trirail that adds 5/8" of height to the scope rail.

The B-Square adjustable mounts are really necessary, but I like to keep all the scope's adjustments ready for sight-in, so I use them. They are more trouble to install, but they do lock up tight.

The higher powered scopes just give you more sighting precision at longer range. I like to shoot at 50 yards and see where every pellet goes, so I used the AirForce 4-16 scope on my rifle.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2006 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks BB, you have been very helpful. I know what to order now. Have you heard of a custom Talon SS that is supposed to be coming out that is super quiet?

Lonedog

 
At December 13, 2006 11:02 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lonedog,

No, I haven't heard of that, but there are a lot of people interested in the gun so it doesn't surprise me.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2006 10:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, I ordered the Talon SS today with a Leapers 4 X 16 X 50 illuminated reticle scope plus all the accessories. It's a lot of money but I think when I start shooting the Talon SS I will be glad I bought it. Thanks for your valuable advice.

Lonedog

 
At December 25, 2006 12:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas BB! ;)

I GOT A BENJAMIN 392 FOR A GIFT!!! I can't wait to shoot it, but i don't have any pellets yet, so i pumped the gun once (yep, it's a little hard to pump, and i cant use my left hand, severed the tendon couple months ago), and set it in the corner of my room. I love the wood and i think it looks great! but the hand pump has two holes drilled into it with splinters stickin out, are these for screws to hold the handle on the gun?

I'll be gettin premiers for my rifle, cant find the jsb pellets, so what would be the next best in your own opinion? Which ones should i try out? Crosman premier .22 domed? hollow point?

Thanks
Insomniac

 
At December 26, 2006 6:05 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

Congratulations! Your long quest is over.

The two holes are for the roll pins that hold the forearm wood to the pump lever.

At Wal Mart you should be able to find Benjamin Sheridan diabolo pellets. They are the same as Crosman Premiers and will work well in your gun.

B.B.

 
At December 26, 2006 2:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb

i'll get the premiers or the diabolos.

If i dry fire the rifle (if i forget to load a pellet for some reason), how badly will i damage the gun?

The cocking bolt seems like it would loosen up and fall open once it has worn down. will it?

I'll get pellgun oil somehow (i might order it if i have to).

What should i do if i get a jammed pellet? should i send it in to the company for repair? or is there a kit i can get? would i be able to shoot it out? could i use some household object to push it out?

is there anything i'm missing that should be important?

thanks
Insomniac

p.s.
I like to prepare for the worst.

 
At December 26, 2006 3:01 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

You sure do like to prepare for the worst.

Instead, why not enjoy the best? Just shoot the gun and don't let any of that bad stuff happen.

I can see why you don't sleep.

Forget stuck pellets - you won't have any if you put at least 3 pumps in the gun.

B.B.

 
At December 26, 2006 4:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

Thanks i'll just enjoy the gun and face the bad times when they come.

Insomniac

 
At December 26, 2006 11:23 PM, Anonymous ChrisTopher said...

Hey B.B. I own a 397 and I am pleased with everything about it. I use RWS and Beeman pellets all the time but I wanted to know if occasionaly using the lead free Skenco pellets do any harm to the barrel of the gun. I would only really use the 8.5g ones for hunting once in awhile because of their increased veloicity and penetration. Any information would be appreciated. Thanx. Hope everyone here had a great holiday.
- Chris

 
At December 27, 2006 7:59 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

Synthetic pellets do leave a residue in the bore, but it might not be too bad in a brass barrel like the 397's.

B.B.

 
At December 27, 2006 11:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey b.b.

i had my mom pick up Daisy Precision Max Flatnose Pellets at a local store, these are the only .22 pellets sold in my town. I've been out shooting the Benjamin for the past two hours and my arms are getting sore! I'm surprised at how accurate this gun is for me! the last bb gun i had (crosman 760, i think) got about 5 inch groups at 20 feet (with a scope), while the benjamin got four pellets in the same hole at about 25 feet(with open sights, luck, mostly)!! I can't wait to get the premiers to see if they do better than the daisys (what do u think of the daisys?). the pellets left a lot of residue on my fingers, is that lead dust or the preservatives or both? had to use dawn dish soap to get it all off.

How should i sight this gun in? what distance should i sight it in at? i think around 40 to 50 feet is where i will be shooting the most with open sights (probably at pop cans then moving on to squirrels later).

over the next few weeks i will be shooting the gun to get better at it. In the future i will probably get the Crosman 64 peep sight and maybe the Crosman B272 4-piece Intermount and a scope.

This is an awesome gun B.B. thanks for helping me out with it!
Insomniac

 
At December 27, 2006 12:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb

What is the best way to hold this rifle? What's the best technique?

Thanks
Insomniac

 
At December 27, 2006 1:36 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

No technique is required for a pneumatic. Just be sure to hold on target afer the shot goes off. That's called follow-through, and it's important with all guns.

 
At December 27, 2006 2:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb

Thanks, i just set out pop cans about 25 yards or so and can hit them about 2 out of 3 times. i tried to go farther but i live in valleys, and the wind starts to pick up the farther i go which made my pellets curve off target and i decided to rest and eat something for a little bit.

Insomniac

P.S. No airgun is better (in this price range at least)!!!! i can't even shoot this well with my .22 firearm!!!

 
At December 27, 2006 3:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb

srry about all these messages, i know u have a lot to do, but when i pump the benjamin, i should hold the gun behind the rear sight, right?

well i found out that its a lot easier to get the last two or three pumps if i set the stock on the ground, brace the barrel with my hand, and push the pump handle down with my other hand. the closer i put my hand bracing the barrel to the front sight, the easier it is to pump. I know that breakbarrels do not bend when u 'break' them, but what would a multipump do? could this wreck or bend or cave in the barrel after time? I used to do this with my pumpmaster 760 when i was young and nothing happened to it that i know of.

Insomniac

 
At December 27, 2006 3:20 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Imsomniac,

Your gun is made of brass, net steel like a breakbarrel.

What you are doing is using a two-point brace. One at the butt and the other behind the fulcrum. It doesn't sound bad, but I've never heard of it before.

Remember, not all shots require 8 pumps.

B.B.

 
At December 27, 2006 3:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb

thanks.

I've got another problem though, i got my gun sighted in and i went out to find some squirrels that were chattering in the woods behind my house. i forgot that i had stored a pump of air in the rifle and pumped it seven more times, then i pulled the pump handle open and realized that it would be the ninth pump.

so ive got eight pumps worth of air in the gun and the pump handle is open.

what should i do?

Insomniac

 
At December 27, 2006 4:14 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

Just shoot the gun with a pellet. Then cock and shoot it again (no pellet) and listen to hear if any gas escapes. Keep the rifle pointed in a safe direction all the time you do this.

If no noise, you got away with it. If it makes a pop, don't overpump it again.

B.B.

 
At December 27, 2006 4:15 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

Shoot the gun with a pellet. Thjen cock it and shoot again without pumping or loading another pellet. If it pops, you just released the extra air. If it doesn't, you got away with it.

B.B.

 
At December 27, 2006 4:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb

well that somewhat scary.

thanks a whole lot bb, there was no pop (thats good right?).

those squirrels got to me, i wasnt exactly thinking straight. I had my mind wrapped aroung taking my first squirrel with the gun.

Thanks
Insomniac

P.S. This is why i prepare for the worst.

 
At December 28, 2006 1:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb

It's freezing here in minnesota today and its snowing, there's barely any snow on the ground for this time of year so theres not many 'winter activities' available, and i'm miles away from my friends and any recreational areas.

how safe would the benjamin be if i shot it in my basement at three pumps (i can improvise a pellet trap and backstop)? no one else well be down there and i have safety glasses.

I was out this morning scouting the edge of the woods behind my house and there seemed to be a lack of squirrel chatter, and i hear no birds whatsoever. plinking would leave me too stationary outside and i'd likely freeze.

I have a new powerful pellet gun and nowhere to safely or easily shoot it!

Do you have these problems? if so, what do u do?

Insomniac

 
At December 28, 2006 1:07 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

As I recall, you have parents. It's not my place to say whether you can shoot in the house or not.

Three pumps would be about right if you have a safe bullet trap and backstop.

B.B.

 
At January 03, 2007 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey b.b.

When I pump the benjamin sometimes it makes a creaking sound (like the pump head is scraping along the sides of the pump). Is this from the cold? should i worry about it?

Thanks
Insomniac

 
At January 03, 2007 4:21 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Insomniac,

As long as you lubricated the pum head with Pellgunoil, you can ignore any sounds. Shooting outdoors in Minnesota in the winter is a cold proposition. I can't say that I have much experience doing that, but a few odd sounds would not surprise me.

B.B.

 
At January 03, 2007 8:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi i have a benjamin franklin 392 pa , by mistake my son put some 3 in one oil in the hole says you cant put oil. now there is no pressure in the pump, i tried to unistall it but i dont have a owners manual , if somebody has one please let me now my e mail is ivanier@hotmail.com thanks

 
At January 03, 2007 10:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey ivanier

First off, this is a suggestion, i would wait for bb's advice, Ive only had my benjamin for a few weeks ;)

ok, bb has suggested (to people with problems with their pump) two people who fix benjamin/sheridan rifles, they are George Pena and Rick Willnecker

This is what bb has to say about them.
"George Pena
George is a Texan who fixes American pneumatics. His business card says "Benjamin, Sheridan and old Crosman model 140/1400 pneumatic air rifle repair." He puts them back to factory specs. I've shot a vintage Sheridan he resealed, and he did a great job. Not only does the gun shoot like new, he didn't mess up the vintage finish on a significant collectible while he did the work! George is at heligun1@msn.com or 512-863-2951.

Rick Willnecker
Rick is in Pennsylvania, where he repairs vintage and modern Crosman, Benjamin and Sheridan guns. Rick is another guy who has been doing this for several decades, and he's very methodical in his work. He will restore airguns to operational specs, but he won't increase power in guns beyond the factory levels. Contact him at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481."

You could call them to see if they can fix your problem, or if your benjamin is new you could probably send it back to crosman for repairs, to find where to send the benjamin for repair you should call crosman at 800-724-7486. I found the crosman phone number in the benjamin manual i got, you may want to look over that to see if it helps you in any way.

Remember, I'm just a kid offering advice, B.B. is the first person i would ask advice from.

Emailing the two people i mentioned probably wouldn't hurt. It's probably a good idea if you can't call out of state.

Wishing you luck,
Insomniac

Happy New Year

 
At January 03, 2007 10:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ivanier

you can check the manual for the benjamin if you go to http://www.pyramydair.com/ scroll to the bottom of the screen, and look under customer support(its in the beige colored rectangle). You will see 'Manuals'among other things.

Alternatively you can skip that and go right to it by typin in this site http://www.pyramydair.com/site/manuals/benjamin-sheridan/

Good Luck
Insomniac

 
At January 04, 2007 6:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Benjamin 392,

Insomniac gave you a great answer. The solution is to remove the pump rod and clean the oil from the pump head and the inside of the pump tube.

B.B.

 
At January 24, 2007 7:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how accurate are the cb9 20 cal rifled barrels and will they still maintain the ware from many tins of firing ?I still shoot a sheridan c-series I ave had since 1979 though its due for a reseal job for the first time! Its probably held up better over the years than I have.Thanx any response would be great Rowdy

 
At January 25, 2007 6:01 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Rowdy,

You won't live long enough to wear out the barrel of a Sheridan. Even though it is brass, it will take hundr4ds of thousands of rounds, as long as they are lead pellets and not anything that would damage a brass bore.

My oldest Sheridan was made in the early 1950s and it's still shooting fine. I had a Crosman 111 pistol with a brass barrel from aound 1950-54 and it was a tackdriver.

B.B.

 
At January 25, 2007 6:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will a Red Dot sight be accurate on the Benjamin? I've only looked through one of these and the Red dot seemed to move in relation to the target. My aging eyes can't abide the iron sights anymore. I really like my Benjamin 397, but I need better sights. I'm going to get a pistol scope or a Red Dot scope.

Any advice on Red Dot accuracy?

 
At January 26, 2007 5:34 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Dot sights are just as accurate as scopes. And, yes, you CAN see the dot move. That's parallax. You must cancel it by always putting your shooting eye in the same place - the same as with open sights.

B.B.

 
At January 29, 2007 3:35 PM, Anonymous Chris said...

Hey B.B. I hope you are not tired of talking about airguns. Anyways I have the Benjamin 397 and was wondering what you think is a nice distance to zero in the open sights to for a well rounded point of impact for shooting mostly done between the 10-20yards mark. Any help is always greatly appreciated. Thanks.

- Chris

 
At January 29, 2007 4:33 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

Ten to 20 yards is a toughie, because of the parallax between the sights and bore. However, if that's what you shoot, I would zero at 15 yards and then shoot groups at both 10 and 20 yards to see how far off they are. Longer shots will hit lower.

B.B.

 
At February 06, 2007 9:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One final question about the benjamin sheridan B.B. I promise. I have the 397 and plan on getting a 392 in the near future. I was just curious with well placed shots of course, what type of hunting capabilites could the 397 handle within the 10-20yard range. I apologize I know this is a common question amongst airguns. Thanks B.B. for answering all my questions. Take care.

- Chris

 
At February 07, 2007 6:31 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

A 397 with good pellets will take a squirrel or rabbit at that range. I think it's too light for a woodchuck or raccoon, but a perfect shot would work.

B.B.

 
At February 07, 2007 12:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for all your info B.B. I think this website and forum is honestly the best place on the net to discuss airguns. Seems to have the most direct and best info. Thanks again.


- Chris

 
At February 09, 2007 4:01 PM, Blogger Big Bad John said...

B.B.: I just became interested in air guns this past week. I did have a few "BB guns" as a kid but was not all that interested other than making a serious dent in the cottonmouth population in my small hometown. Yesterday, one of my coworkers brought in a older 22 caliber Benjamin that he wanted me to research on the internet. It would not pump up and he was looking for parts and/or service for the gun. As I began my research, I ran across this website and this particular thread. My curiosity was piqued and I began to investigate all types of airguns. It has been an intense 24 hours of education to this point. I intend to purchase a new Benjamin Sheridan Model 392 for my upcoming birthday and to equip it with the Bug Buster 2 scope and mounts. I'll also get a good case and quality ammunition for it. My question relates to the article I read on penetration between domed pellets, round balls, and pointed pellets. I do want to try out some of the round balls, but Beeman doesn't make them in 22 caliber. I found one maker (H & N) on this site who does make a 22 caliber round ball, but it is finished with a black graphite coating. I was wondering if this particular round ball is made of lead, and if so, will the coating harm the rifling of the soft brass barrel on the 392? Thanks for any insight you can provide. BBJ

 
At February 09, 2007 5:11 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBJ,

Actually, Beeman has their lead balls made by H&N, so they are the same as what you see here.

They are pure lead and will not harm your barrel.

B.B.

 
At February 25, 2007 3:20 PM, Blogger ridgerunner said...

BB,
I just got a Benjamin 397 primarily for pest control. Any suggestions as to scope mounts and scope? Shooting mostly from 20-30 yds with occasional shot out to 35-40 yds. Thinking 5-6 pumps should be about right? How sensitive are those crossman B272 4 pc pre-mounts to movement? Looks like I have to use those with whatever mount and scope I go with. Thanks!!!

RR

 
At February 25, 2007 4:26 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Ridgedunner,

I don't recommend scoping a 372 or 392. They aren't made well for it.

You can hit a quarter at 25 yards with the open sights, which should be plenty.

B.B.

 
At February 25, 2007 5:17 PM, Blogger ridgerunner said...

I am having a hard time picking up the iron sight against the hardwoods. Would the Crossman 64 Peep Sight be my best bet or is there something else that would work?

Any suggestions if I was to pick up another air rifle for the purpose I am looking for? Would 22 cal be better bet. I am going to keep the 397 but if there is a reasonable $200 price range single cock with scope or fiber optic sight that would get the job done I would appreciate the advice?
RR

 
At February 26, 2007 6:39 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Ridgerunner,

Well, the Silver Streak would have brighter sights. In .20 caliber, it's about the same as a .22.

By single cock I assume you mean a spring gun. The BAM B30 in .22 sounds like just what you want. So far all the BAM rifles I've tested have been accurate, so this one, which is a copy of the RWS Diana 48, seems like an ideal choice.

B.B.

 
At February 26, 2007 11:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ridgerunner,
BB is correct that you don't need a scope for the 397, it's easier to pump without a scope getting in the way. I've a 392 and with the stock sights have been able to easily eradicate a bottle-cap infestation in my back yard(25 yard shot). That being said, I'm a scope fan and have found the intermount setup to be sturdy enough. Because the intermounts place the scope forward, my suggestion would be long scope for this gun or one with plenty of eye relief, perhaps a pistol scope.

Here's something, the barrel of my 392 had black paint in the end that I removed with q-tips and nail polish remover ... ok I've got plenty of time on my hands. But get this, since then I've had pin-point accuracy with no fly-aways ...could just be my imagination.

Take care,
-I.B. McGinty

 
At February 27, 2007 7:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

IB and BB,
Thanks for the advice. Removed some of that black paint in the end of the barrel and adjusted the elevation on rear sight. Just shot a 3/4 in group at 25 yds inside the paint... i'm good to go now. I went ahead and ordered that Williams Peep Sight yesterday so that should help as well.

BB, I will pass on the Bam 30 advice...let's try not to contribute to the China trade deficit when we can help it.

Thanks
Ridgerunner

 
At March 01, 2007 11:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,
I'm really intrested in picking up a 397, I am also very atatched to a leapers bugbuster 2 that I have mounted on an old daisy powerline.
Will the bugbuster mount far enough back on the 397 to shoot comfortably? The picture they have on pyramid shows the scope positioned half way down the barrel which seems like it might be problematic with a short scope like this one. Also I've read several reviews here and elsewhere
about the b272 mounts not fitting as well on the 397. Have you exprienced this?
Thanks for reading my post, great blog!
Jack

 
At March 02, 2007 6:35 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jack,

I'm with you. I like both the 397 and the Bug Buster 2 - just not together. I don't advocate mounting a scope on any multi-pump pneumatic unless it is a 392 LE. Even then the scope gets in the way of pumping.

B-Square makes a scope mount base that positions the scope over the receiver, but I'm not certain it works with the 397. If so, it's your best bet.

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=431

B.B.

 
At March 02, 2007 11:00 PM, Anonymous Jack said...

Do you use the B-Square mount in conjunction with the b272?

 

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