Thursday, November 10, 2005

Time for fun: M1911A1 Colt from Umarex

by B.B. Pelletier

I remember when this airgun came out, because I love the M1911A1 Colt pistol. The other Umarex pistols were very realistic, but I wanted to see if they would really incorporate the grip safety in this gun. They did, and it was love all over again. Allow me to introduce you to a favorite of mine.

Umarex makes realistic airguns
Umarex is the parent company that owns Walther, so they make firearms. They also have a history of making realistic blank-firing guns that are legal in Germany without a special license. Firearms are legal there, too, but the permits and training required to own and use them are very expensive. Where the Orient developed airsoft to permit collectors to own replica guns, Germany went to blank-firing guns. Then, they had a better idea.


The slide separates at the line above the grip, so the clips can be loaded.


An 8-shot revolver in wolf's clothing!
Umarex designers created an 8-shot revolver mechanism so small that it fits inside the frames of many popular semiautomatic pistols - like the M1911A1. The heart of the mechanism is an 8-shot clip that drops into the gun and automatically indexes. Take a close look at the pistol below, and you'll see a line where the "slide" separates to drop in the clip.

Everything works!
The neat thing about Umarex air pistols is that all the controls work! The sights adjust (on some models), the magazine releases function, the safeties work, and, in the case of this pistol, the grip safety really works. The grip safety is a second safety mechanism that must be depressed for the pistol to fire. If you hold the pistol naturally, you will depress the grip safety and never even think about it. This is a feature peculiar to Colt 1911s, though a few other handguns have it, and it enhances the realism that Umarex not only put it on the gun but actually made it work correctly!

Like accurate guns? Get this one!
Towsend Whelen of he Springfield Armory said "only accurate guns are interesting." I agree. If you feel the same, then you'll find this pistol very interesting!

If you hold the pistol like a 1911 (see the posting Grasp the secret of accurate handgun shooting for tips), you will be rewarded with one-inch groups at 10 meters. That's shooting one-handed! The 1911 is one of the more accurate Umarex pistols (or else I shoot a 1911 better than other guns). And, the rear sight adjusts for windage.

Velocity
You'll get 400-425 f.p.s. on warm days or in a warm room. And there are at least 50 if not 60 full-power shots in every powerlet. Umarex has made exchanging powerlets a breeze, so you won't mind that chore. Don't forget to buy a lot of them. If you get one of these guns, it's easy to get carried away.

Accessories
If you like to shoot a lot, a speedloader makes short work of loading the clips. And don't forget to get something to carry your pistol in, like the tactical holster that looks so great!

There are four models to choose from, so if you like Colt pistols or you just want to see what an action air pistol is all about, this is one of the good ones!

66 Comments:

At November 10, 2005 2:37 PM, Blogger airgundoc said...

I ordered mine some time ago but because of a foul up in shipping (they didn't get the right order) I have not received it as yet. I had hoped to use it to train for a firearm pistol course I'm taking in early December but presently they are not shipping until Nov. 21st. :(
This post just makes me more disappointed but I guess that's life!

 
At November 10, 2005 2:40 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

airgundoc,

The wait will be worth it!

B.B.

 
At November 12, 2005 10:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question: Do grip panels from a 1911 firearm fit on the air pistol? I'm considering buying this one but I'm a grip fanatic. I like nice checkered wood grips. The ones pictured on the site are plain wood(walnut?) I would like to buy the less expensive one with plastic grips, then repace with really nice aftermarket wood. Also, is the compensator removeable on the comp model? They used to sell the comp as an accessory. Thanks!!!!

 
At November 12, 2005 10:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speedloaders are great. I have them for both the Umarex 8 shot clips and for the Crosman 1077 clips. They make reloading fun instead of drudge. Might be worth a full write-up!!

 
At November 13, 2005 9:46 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Grip panels,

Yes, I believe 1911A1 panels fit the Umarex gun. I know they fit the Beeman P1, and I believe I also swapped grips on my 1911, when I had it. It's so easy to do that I would be shocked to learn they did not interchange.

I also believe the compensator is removable, because I remember it being sold as an accessory, like you. Better ask Pyramyd Air to be sure.

B.B.

 
At November 13, 2005 9:47 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Speedloaders might make a good post at that!

Thanks!

B.B.

 
At November 13, 2005 1:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What kind of c-t-c groups can you expect to get?

 
At November 13, 2005 1:48 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

"one-inch groups at 10 meters."

B.B.

 
At November 20, 2005 8:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have two break barrel rifles that say " 22 cal made for daisy in scotland 230" can you give me any information on these? there is no date on them but they appear to be older. my email addy is wmahlb@aol.com

 
At November 20, 2005 8:49 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Daisy breakbarrels were made by Scottish airgun maker Milbro from 1965 to 1974. They exist as models 160, 220, 225, 230 and 250, which are one zero added to the Diana models they actually were.

This came from the Blue Book of Airguns 5th edition.

B.B.

 
At December 03, 2005 12:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question: I'm thinking about buying the Colt 1911, but I really hate the way it looks with the compensator. Does it really make much difference with regards to accuracy? I know I could just take it off (I called Crossman and checked) but I don't even really care to own it. Any thoughts?

 
At December 03, 2005 8:12 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The compensator is just for show. It has zero affect on accuracy.

There are many models with no compensator at all. You must have seen them?

B.B.

 
At December 05, 2005 1:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I was actually trying to decide whether to buy the model with the compensator or the one without. I thought it might be worth the extra twenty bucks it costs for the compensator to get some extra accuracy, on the very off chance some day I actually get good at shooting. Something to grow into, maybe. But if the compensator does no significant good I'd be happy to disregard that notion. I'm curious, however, why they would make a compensator for "show" on a gun so clearly targeted at buyers who value the fact that the gun is an accurate replica. Obviously the compensator ruins that realism. Seems strange.

 
At December 27, 2005 12:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Recently purchased Colt 1911 new. Very happy with it except advertised as blued finish and it is actually painted black. Has anyone seen actual blued finish on this gun?

 
At December 27, 2005 4:40 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Blued finish,

In fact, these guns are not made of steel but from spelter. It is impossible to blue spelter. However, the black finish is not a paint, and it does resemble the black oxide now put on firearms. It does not resemble a Colt Royal Blue finish, however. To my knowledge, there is no Umarex gun finish that resembles that type of finish.

B.B.

 
At December 29, 2005 10:03 PM, Anonymous JB said...

Hello BB
Finally got my 1911. Shoots great. Yes the comp does come off, I like the look both ways. I have not tried any wood aftermarket grips yet, I got the cheaper one with plastic. Overall very nice quality. Very solid feel, points well, nice trigger. Compares very well with my other Umarex guns (CP-88, SW586, PPK/s, Walther Lever). Gamo match and RWS meisters give groups just under 1" at 10 meters (when I do my part). No Chrono data yet. Very addictive, good thing I have that speedloader.

 
At December 30, 2005 7:25 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

JB,

Thank you for that report. This kind of feedback really helps me advise other readers, because I know I'm not off-base in my thinking.

By the way, your one-inch groups are superb!

B.B.

 
At December 31, 2005 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for the information on the black finish and spelter of the Colt. Your knowledge on this model and airguns in general is remarkable. What do you suggest for cleaning/maintaining an air pistol, outside of occasional synthetic oil on moving parts and a drop on the tip of the CO2 cartridge. Is cleaning the barrel with a brush recommended? If so, do you know a source, as I have not seen any at Pyramid. Any thoughts on those felt cleaning/oiling pellets?

 
At January 01, 2006 11:11 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Pyramyd sells Crosman Pellgunoil. That's the stuff to use to seal powerlets.

As for cleaning, I don't clean my airguns. Only when I have shot Premier pellets at greater than 900 f.p.s. do I find it necessary to clean. I don't use the felt cleaning pellets. I just shoot and shoot and never clean. I compete in 10-meter air pistol competition and I have never cleaned my target pistol in over 4,000 rounds. I still do fine with it.

Enjoy,

B.B.

 
At January 11, 2006 11:50 PM, Blogger K.O. said...

I recently had a 1911 given to me by a fiend but it didn't have a rear sight. Is there anywhere to get another rear sight. Thank You. K.O.

 
At January 12, 2006 4:45 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

K.O.

Check with Crosman.

B.B.

 
At March 02, 2006 5:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

can you put 1911 grips on the replica 1911?
-damon

 
At March 02, 2006 5:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is the material of the gun? how many rounds per c02?
-damon

 
At March 02, 2006 5:21 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

damon,

The grips for a 1911A1 will fit. about 50 shots per powerlet. The gun is made of spelter, as are all Umarex guns.

B.B.

 
At March 02, 2006 5:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

out of the 1911 and the 586-4 which one do you enjoy more?...

 
At March 03, 2006 7:20 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

damon,

You only have to post a comment in one place and I will answer it. I prefer the 586 to the M1911A1 because I prefer revolvers to semiauto pistols. That said, the M1911A1 is my favorite pistol.

B.B.

 
At March 03, 2006 5:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry for doing that!...and thank you for the information

 
At March 12, 2006 3:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How heavy is the double-action trigger pull on this gun?

 
At March 12, 2006 9:21 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

B.B. is out of town. If no one else answers your question, B.B. will do so when he returns.

B.B.'s assistant

 
At March 17, 2006 9:00 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Double-action pull,

I don't have a gun to check but as I remember it, the DA pull is not too heavy. Perhaps in the 7 to 10 pound region.

Can an owner please comment?

B.B.

 
At June 30, 2006 12:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just receive my colt pistol but I have a few questions in regards to it. Is the slide supposed to fly away when you press down the slide release buttom? I have to place one of my hands in front of the slide when releasing the slide releaser or else it will fly away making the gun appear that it has two pieces? I am wondering wether I received a bad one. Also, my pistol came with no manual and with a co2 inside the grip. Does this mean that I received a used gun or are the pistols fire before being sold to make sure that they work properly? Thanks.

 
At June 30, 2006 7:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't know where you bought your gun but it does sound like someone was inside the box. That's because you received no manual. The powerlet is also an indicator, as companies no longer ship guns with empty powerlets in them. Shipping with one that contains gas is a crime.

The Colt manual is on the Pyramyd Air website. Scroll to the bottom of the home page and click on the word "Manuals" to see all they have.

Or, just follow this link:
http://www.pyramydair.com/site/manuals/colt/index.shtml

I would contact the dealer I bought the gun from and request a manual, too.

B.B.

 
At August 07, 2006 10:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice gun. Be sure to use wad-cutters or other short pellets. Pointed pellets may protrude from the magazine and jam the gun.

Is there a safe way to remove the hyper-annoying warnings to the brain-dead stenciled on the eject port side of the gun?

 
At August 09, 2006 7:22 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

If there is a way I don't know what it is. Those are dictated by U.S. liability laws and there is no way around them.

B.B.

 
At October 28, 2006 1:11 PM, Anonymous dlb said...

re: 1911 grips

My Alumagrips are very close to aligning properly, but the cutaway for the thumb safety needs to be deepened by a few mm. A more flexible grip may snap-in.
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If Umarex were to develop a blowback 1911, like the Desert Eagle, they'd have a market among IPSC/IDPA shooters in the US as a training pistol. These folks have started using high-end airsoft pistols for this purpose.

I'd forgive less metal if this allowed a clean and realistic recoil.

 
At October 28, 2006 10:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do I get the Colt 1911 repaired? The mechanism that rotates the clip doesn't seem to be working.

 
At October 30, 2006 6:15 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Colt 1911 repair,

Call Umarex USA at 479-646-4210.

B.B.

 
At November 03, 2006 11:14 PM, Anonymous dlb said...

If you hold the pistol naturally, you will depress the grip safety and never even think about it.

The one quirk that I've run into when firing this gun, using a two-handed 'straight-thumbs' aka 'IPSC grip', is that if the grip safety is partially but not fully engaged the gun can still fire. The resulting shot receives less power than when fully engaged, but fires nonetheless. You'll notice a diminished report and significantly lower velocity.

I suspect that the reason for this is that the grip safety begins to rotate the striking plate into position as soon as you begin to depress it. A grip that partially engages the safety can still place the plate between the hammer and pin. But in this partial engagement, the plate will disengage from the pin before fully depressing it.

 
At November 04, 2006 9:52 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

dlb,

An IPSC grip is something I never tried. I shoot taqrget and I was discribing the classic one-hand grip.I will test what you say on my 1911.

Thanks,

B.B.

 
At November 15, 2006 8:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have just bought a COLT GOVMT MODEL 1911 A1 6200 air pistol and got these innovations Co2 cartridges but i think they are for filling air in bicycles. I would like to know what brand of C02 I should get that best fits my model.

 
At November 15, 2006 8:52 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Crosman invented the 12-gram powerlet, so I would always defer to them.

B.B.

 
At December 19, 2006 2:11 PM, Anonymous full auto said...

I am hoping for this to be my next purchase, I think it looks better then the Beretta, I already have two Walthers, and I dont like revolvers (I would like to get the desert eagle, if anyone in canada had it...) so Im going for this one next

 
At January 03, 2007 2:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i find that this gun is acctually very weak. is there anyway that it can be upgraded to shoot at a higher fps?? does anyone know of a shop that could do this?

 
At February 10, 2007 1:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The paint on the blued colt looks like it would chip off if you are not too carefull or over time. Im debating between the nickle and blued look but the paint is what concerns me and determins my choice.

 
At February 10, 2007 1:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Their was a tune up kit for this model but nowadays its hard to come by. If anyone knowes what im talking about would anyone know where to get it? I bellive it came with a different grip safety and inner parts. Its on the umarex web site but the pic wont pop up and i emailed them about it and their not sure what it is. Help please.

 
At February 10, 2007 1:57 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The finish is not paint! It's a plating or process other than paint.

None of my guns show any wear after 5 years, but I don't carry them in holsters. Even a firearm will show holster wear.

B.B.

 
At February 10, 2007 2:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I realized that about the blue coat i worded the question wrong my appologies. I guess what I really want to know is if the blue coat on the pistol is as rugged as the nickle coat. I also realized that the colt has whie warning on one side. Are these warnings as intrusive on the nickle model?

 
At February 10, 2007 3:16 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Okay, now I understand what you are after. In my opinion the nickel-plated guns look much better than the blued ones. The bluing almost never is even over the whole surface of the gun, while the nickel usually is very even.

The warnings are the same on both guns.

B.B.

 
At February 10, 2007 3:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks. One more question, i see pyramidaire has a speacial model of the colt with floral work on its side. The price says you must request it to know. Is that still offerd threw pyramid air?

 
At February 10, 2007 3:37 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I'm not with Pyramyd Air, so I would have to call them, same as you.

I just looked at their site and didn't see any engraved Colt. Are you sure you are not looking at a cached page? When did you dump your history last?

B.B.

 
At February 11, 2007 3:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

About the speacial colt model. Its known as the COLT GOVMT MODEL 1911 A1 6400 by pyramidair. its a 6400 - Colt Model 1911 A1 160th Anniversary(Blued w/ laser engraving). The link to it is http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=140 as a big colt fan I would Love to own this model but Im sure it would be very difficult to come accross. If you havent seen it its a real work of art.

 
At February 12, 2007 6:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so what about that upgrade? does anyone know if it can be done or where to have the fps upgraded?

 
At February 12, 2007 6:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I belive the upgrade is out of production or something because i cannot find it anywhere, it only changes the trigger pull and grip a little and thats it i think.

 
At February 12, 2007 6:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you get the colt with the compensator and take it off, will the bolt bellow the barrel petrude out any since it came with the compensator or do they use the same size bolts fot the ones without it

 
At February 13, 2007 7:09 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I'm not sure what "bolt below the barrel" you refer to. There is no bolt on the M1911A1.

The compensator screws into female threads of the false muzzle of what would be the barrel on the firearm.

B.B.

 
At February 13, 2007 8:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

IM talking about th ecompensator that you can buy seperate and attatch it. the small metal one for any colt model pellet gun. not the tactical one

 
At February 14, 2007 8:32 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I am still unsure of what you are asking. I believe this compensator screws on the barrel. However, I will ask Pyramyd Air and they can tell us both.

B.B.

 
At February 14, 2007 12:13 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Pyramyd Air says there is a screw at the bottom of the compensator that holds it to the gun. Nothing protrudes when the compensator is taken off.

B.B.

 
At February 19, 2007 4:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

does anyone know of a gun smith or company who will increase the fps on the colt? Is it even possible to raise the fps???

 
At February 24, 2007 12:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No they will not increase the velocity and no their isnt a way to make it go up. they make one model and do not alter velocities unless they use a different calibre. all airguns are made a certain way and then they stay that way.

 
At March 12, 2007 6:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the ones who want a Colt 1911 A1 CO2 160th Anniversary Air pistol, I bought two fron the Sportsmans club a few years ago. They are pretty! One has a failure to rotate the rotary magazine problem. I need to get it fixed. The Colt Tuning Grip Backstrap looks good on them.

 
At March 12, 2007 6:58 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Umarex IUSA can fix your gun for you. They are at www.umarexusa.com or 479-646-4210.

B.B.

 
At November 18, 2007 11:31 AM, Blogger Jon M. said...

BB,
I know this is subjective, but between Colt 1911 and Walther CP 88 6", which one you think is better, and which one you like it better?
Thank you,
Jon M.

 
At November 18, 2007 11:37 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jon,

I have to say the CP88. It feels wonderful in the hand. If Walther had made it in .45 ACP I think they would have had a world-beater.

B.B.

 
At September 08, 2008 5:19 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

I do like what I see & read about the CP88 & wish they made the Tactical version of it with a 6" barrel instead of just the 4" barrel quite frankly, I'm surprised they didn't), but just out of curiosity, why do you prefer the 88 over the 1911? Is it just the "wonderful feel in the hand" or is there more?

I have the nickle 1911 with the wood grips (like the one in the picture, but with out the compensator), & I REALLY like this gun. In fact it's one of my favorites by Umarex.
Granted, I haven't shot the CP88 yet, so that could change. ;)

As for the 1911, as usual in my opinion, B.B. is right! They done this one good! :)

It looks & feels great, & is pretty powerful & acuurate too.

This is one of my favorites along with the S&W 586-6 & the Magnum Research Desert Eagle.

BTW, for any of you interested in the S&W 586 models, read on...
I was all set on the 586-8 for the longer barrel, thinking about the longe barrel giving me more power & accuracy, but when I went to the Shot Show & was able to hold both of them, I was instantly sold on the 586-6!

The reason for my choice was VERY simple... Th 6" was SO much better ballanced, it was immediately clear to me, that for what ever little extra accuracy that the longer barrel may have given me in accuracy... It would probably have robbed me of it from it being too barrel heavy unless I shot it benched all the time.
Also, since I will be using this primrily as a target gun & just occassionally as a plinker, the extra accuracy is much more important than the extra 35fps. ;)


Since were talking about Umarex airguns here, I want to throw in my two cents here on another one of their airguns.
I have to say, that while this Colt 1911 & most of Umarex's guns are very nice... In my opinion, they blew a great gun by failing to include one simple thing with the CP99. I have the nickle version of the Walther CP99.
It IS a beautiful replica, & feels great in the hand thanks to them including a couple of extra different size back straps, that allow you to make it fit perfect for people with different sized hands, & they were well on their way to a great gun, BUT... In my humble opinion, they blew it with ONE simple thing they left out. ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS!

It has good power & accuracy for a short barrel gun, but unless you get REALLY lucky & get one that shoots dead on, you WILL have to compensate to hit the bull.

Now by all means, feel free to disagree & correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that for $170.00
it SHOULD have came with at least a rear sight being adjustable for windage.

Hence I say if you are tempted by the CP99, unless you just HAVE to have it, &/or are willing spend more money to put a laser sight on it... Take that extra money & buy the Colt 1911 A1 (the all black version of the one pictured at the top) & for $25.00 more, you will get a considerably more powerful AND more accurate gun, that DOES have some sight adjustment!

Or, if you want it all, get the Colt 1911 Nickle with wood grips like I have (the one in the picture at the top, but with OUT the compensator), & you will have a great performer & one of the most BEAUTIFUL replicas that Umarex makes! :)

Take a look....

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/colt-1911-air-gun.shtml

Pretty damn sexy eh? ;)


Anyhoo, I just wanted to throw in some of that extra info & personal opinions, & see what some of the other people on here might have to say it. ;)


- The BBA -

 
At September 08, 2008 6:01 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

I only said I liked the CP88 over the Colt pellet pistol. In a firearm, the P88 is only a 9mm and therefore pretty gutless as a defensive weapon. In firearms, I'll take the 1911 every time.

My $2,400 Wilson Combat 1911 doesn't have adjustable sights, either. And that is the reason, I think, that Umarex doesn't put them on their 1911. They are staying true to the prototype. While there are 1911 firearms that have adjustable sights, they are not used on defensive weapons - just on bullseye guns. A bullseye gun is a completely different gun that isn't really the same gun as the combat firearm, except in form and origins.

B.B.

 

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