Friday, December 16, 2005

Remington Airmaster 77 - just right for Christmas!

A rifle that I have passed by for some time is the Remington Airmaster 77. It's pretty impressive when you hold it in your hands, and I think it represents a great value - especially when you take advantage of a deal Pyramyd Air is offering right now. More about that later!

Unusual looks!
This is a most unusual-looking air rifle. The stock and forearm are matte black plastic, and the receiver is matte black metal. The outer barrel is brushed nickel, which contrasts very nicely with the dark gun.

Nice open sights!
The gun comes with a scope, which I'll get to, but there is also a very nice set of open sights. The front is a fiber optic green bead, and the rear U-shaped notch fits it perfectly! Usually, there's a mismatch between front and rear with fiber optics, and I never know exactly where the bead should go when I sight. But, the sights on this Remington line up very naturally! The rear sight adjusts in both directions.

It shoots BBs and pellets!
Although the barrel is rifled steel, this gun is built to take BOTH BBs and pellets. The BBs are loaded 200 at a time through a port in the grip cap. Then, you load a smaller spring-loaded magazine on the left side of the receiver by inverting the gun and transferring BBs by gravity. DO NOT dump pellets into the BB reservoir - they will only jam the mechanism.

Pellets are loaded one at a time through a loading port on the right side of the receiver. It opens when you pull the bolt back to cock the gun. The port is made to accommodate your fingers, and I find this to be an easy gun to load. It makes little difference to the firing rate whether you choose a BB or a pellet. BBs are simply a little easier because they're stored inside the gun for automatic loading, while the pellets have to be inserted through the port. The rifle must have NO BBs in it when you want to shoot pellets. I would personally use the Airmaster 77 as a pellet rifle and forget the BBs.

Nicely sized!
Though this rifle is probably intended for a younger shooter, it is sized for an adult. The weight of 4-3/4 lbs. and the thick, solid-feeling stock and forearm make it feel substantial. A while back, I suggested guns to put behind the door or out in the shed for pest control. I'd like to add this one to the list as long as we aren't going after squirrels and rabbits. For grackles, starlings, pigeons, sparrows, and rats, this would be potent medicine!

It comes with a scope
The rifle is sold as a kit, which includes a 4x scope that has its own mounts. It's not a premium airgun scope by any means, but if you would like to try a scoped airgun, there aren't many priced like this. Since the mounts are on the scope when it comes, all you need to do is slide the ring bases on the receiver dovetails, tighten two screws and your rifle is scoped!

This is a Remington!
Crosman makes the rifle, but Remington puts their name on it. That will be important to collectors in the future, so hang on to that box and all the stuff inside.

It's a multi-pump pneumatic
You can put up to 10 pumps in the Airmaster, which means you can control how hard it shoots. For indoor target practice, three pumps are sufficient. For popping grackles at 25-30 yards, I'd take it up to the limit. Remington advertises a velocity of 725 f.p.s. with a 7.9-grain .177 lead pellet, which is a little faster than the Beeman R7. That is serious power, so this gun is to be taken seriously, by which I mean that you can use it for light hunting and pest elimination. The ability to vary the power by the number of pumps is a very handy feature.

And the REALLY good news...
If you'd like to save a bundle on one of these rifles and don't mind a remanufactured gun, Pyramyd is selling them for just $49.95! They include the scope and rings at that price, but not the BBs, pellets, targets or safety goggles. A remanufactured gun has been sent back to Crosman's repair department and repaired to shoot like new. Many times, however, the reason for the return wasn't the gun's fault - the customers simply return them, and company sends all of them back to Crosman. So, you could end up with a peach of an airgun for very little money. Other than getting a used gun, I don't know where there's another deal like this anywhere at this time.

244 Comments:

At December 17, 2005 10:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, how accurate is this rifle?

Never having used a scope before, what is the useful range of this 4x scope for bird sized targets?

Thanks!

 
At December 18, 2005 6:43 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

You should be able to keep your shots on a nickel at 15 yards and a quarter at 25. That's about the farthest shot you want to make.

4X scopes are used to hunt deer at 150 yards, so range is not a problem with them. You should be able to hit a bird-sized target at 50 yards when sighting through a 4X scope.

B.B.

 
At December 22, 2005 2:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree the Remington 77 is a decent inexpensive gun, especially when purchased as refurb.

However, I take issue with the notion that the loading port is made to accomodate fingers. At least adult sized fingers. Best I can do is drop pellets in halfway and hope they don't land backwards.

I shoot BBs half the time. At 2-4 pumps, it's reasonably accurate repeater. Pellets, of course, do much better.

 
At December 24, 2005 8:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm looking to buy my first bb gun. Should I look for a combo (bb and pellet) or should i look for one or the other? Are bb's less accurate in a combo? Also at what power can you start killing a squirrel?

 
At December 25, 2005 6:33 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

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At December 25, 2005 6:33 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I would avoid a BB gun for any kind of hunting.

I will use your questions for a posting this week. Watch for it.

B.B.

 
At January 07, 2006 12:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you sight in the scope?

 
At January 07, 2006 3:30 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

There are several scope tips to help- you sight in. Use the search feature on the current blog, and also go to the September 30 blog for an index back to March.

B.B.

 
At January 22, 2006 5:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe you can help. Bought the Rem 77 six months ago...mainly yard pest control. Just picked it up and can't get the pump to pack any pressure. It just pumps and pumps and pumps and pumps. Any ideas? It's probably been shot less than 100 times.

 
At January 23, 2006 7:58 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

You may need to oil the pump head. When you move the pump lever all the way forward, you can see a dark felt washer through the slot in the bottom of the pump mechanism tube. Ahead of that washer is the actual pump head seal. It looks slick compared to the pump rod. Oil the felt washer with 5 drops of a good lubricating oil. The owner's manual recommends Crosman Pellgunoil, but 3-in-One will work, too.

Please tell me if this fixes your problem.

B.B.

 
At March 01, 2006 11:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got a refurbed AirMaster the other day and it seems like a solid winner. Heckuva value, just like BB says. I doubt it will ever become a collector's item, but at $50, who cares. It looks quite a bit like its big and powerful firearms brother, the Remington 7400 Weathermaster deer rifle, only it's 7/8s size.

It is pretty accurate right out of the box, and that's without even trying out the scope (yet).

The multi-pump pneumatic is a bit of a chore if you haven't the arm-strength for it, so it's not the best choice for a young child. But at least you can keep the power level down when shooting indoors, and the extra pumps don't really seem to add all that much more velocity for outdoor use. All in all, it looks like a winner.

TS

 
At March 01, 2006 12:13 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

TS,

A refurbished gun, no less. And it works okay?

Please tell us what you think after you mount the scope.

B.B.

 
At April 06, 2006 3:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a remington 77 and i really like it. Feels like a solid gun. pumping is easy if you hold the pistol grip with your right hand, put the stock on your upper right leg and pump with your left arm or... you can put your left hand on the pump where it normally is, put your right hand just above the left hand on the pump and put the stock against your upper right leg again. I use the first one more than the second...
also to put the pellet in i find that its easier so either roll it in (works 90% of the time) or pinch the pellet at the end so it shoots into the loading chamber (works 80% of the time).I like the scope for it.. cheapish but good enough for what i do... also it is very clear and dosnt get blurry easliy ( as others ive seen)
at an angle.
all in all i rate it
9.8/10
(plastic seems weak... but is very strong IMO)

 
At April 26, 2006 2:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also have a 77. Great first gun! I agree about the loading port being too small, and I use the rolling technique to load pellets. I also had problems with it losing power at about 100 shots, and lubing the wiper ring with a few shots of oil did the trick. I recommend a few drops every 20 shots or so, because my long range accuracy starts to change. as for hunting, I don't recommend it, HOWEVER!!! I bought mine for rabbit elimination. Because I work second shift, I use it after midnight in the yard, under only moonlight. The scope works well if you can concentrate, and I have yet to miss a rabbit under 30 yards. I've gone up to 50 in low light. Something to keep in mind. IF YOU ARE GOING TO KILL, KEEP THE WIPER RING LUBED WELL!!!! I let it go for a while, and hit a target at 20 yard. it only injured it, and I had to chase it around to put it out of it's misery... NOT HUMANE. Proper sighting, and a PROPERLY operating 77 works very well for my yard pest control. As a side note I use RWS hollowpoints or spearpoints for pest elimination, and they work every time.

 
At May 08, 2006 8:20 PM, Blogger Rogue_Sniper said...

Great rifle. Good for pest control, target shooting and small game hunting, if you count the rabbits and squirls in my yard as small game.

 
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At May 22, 2006 8:00 PM, Blogger QUA'S UMA said...

Ive had the 77 for over 5 years now and ive used it to death. I used it with the scope mostly and used pellets most of the time(crosman premier hollows and Copperhead points) The gun worked very well and was perfect for starlings and plinking. I did have a problem with pellets flipping backwards when loading into the chamber but i would just tilt the gun down and drop the pellet in point first to get it right. Unfortunately to gun wont hold any air and i have oiled it up yet it still wont work so for now its a cool toy :D

 
At May 22, 2006 8:47 PM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

I just ordered a crosman 1000x .22 cal from pyramid.I've read good and bad reviews on the rifle. I was wondering if i can get tips from you guys on how to get the best out of it. Help me please :)

The remington airmaster 77 kit is a great combo. I've seen great ratings and reviews on this rifle. I've tried the daisy 880, crosman 764b, daisy 901, and the rem airmaster 77. The crosman 764b gave me 1/2 " groups at 15'. The 880 diasy scattered everywhere. 2" away from the targeted area at most at 15'. The 901 gave me great 1" groups at 10 yards. The Air master almost made me cry by giving me a 3/4" group at 15 yards. I used Gamo Rockets, Crosman premier hollow points, Daisy pointed pellet precision max,
and Gamo Raptors. I got the best accuracy out of the rockets. The rockets are the the heavier steel tipped pellets.


So if your looking for a nice accurate cheap multi pump rifle for plinking. Grab a remington airmaster 77 kit.

If you are getting rid of pests and want a rifle around the same price. Grab yourself a Daisy 22SG .22 cal. You can grab one at pyramid for under 100 dollars. I read great reviews and ratings. Not very powerful but the .22 cal pellet will make up for that. I hear its very accurate.I had to choose between the 22sg and the quest i purchased. I picked the quest for the higher power. I know power isnt always a good thing.

 
At June 05, 2006 4:46 AM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

BB,

What ammunition would you recommend for use in this rifle???

I can't find the rockets anywhere. I use wadcutters now but they group just Ok. They also tend to curve like bb's do when I shoot them and 5 pumps or higher.

 
At June 05, 2006 5:20 AM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

- at five pumps or higher. -

Can i use 3 in 1 oil???

 
At June 20, 2006 2:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

r u familiar with the daisy shatter blast targets? If you are would you recomend them?

also, what is the difference between all these pellet types? I have no ideah what to look for. I,m goin to use this gun for pest control mainly squirels and i could realy use your help w/ this question!

THANKS!

 
At June 20, 2006 3:47 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I have used Shatterblasts and I do like them.

Now for a pellet for the Remington rifle, any wadcutter (flat-nosed target pellet) is good out to 15 yards. The Crosman premier domed pellet is good beyond that, and so is the lighter JSB domed pellet. I believe the domed pellets will be better on squirrels.

B.B.

 
At July 06, 2006 5:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a question for anyone who knows. I am going to purchase this rifle. It looks nice (nice review by the way, B.B.), I will be using primarily BBs, although I will buy a tin of pellets as well. Will the rifled barrel of this gun meant for pellets make BBs any less accurate? Thanks.

 
At July 06, 2006 6:00 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

No,

When an airgun is made for both BBs and pellets, it will not be less accurate than a BB gun with BBs. It will only be less accurate than a dedicated pellet rifle with pellets, though this Remington seems to do a fine job.

B.B.

 
At August 01, 2006 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm going to buy it today i'm only 9 years old so i have to go with my mom i want to get a gun licens

 
At August 02, 2006 7:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, im thinking of buying a pellet gun and i just want to know, if i were to buy a pellet gun, would i be able to shoot bb's even if they are the same calibre?

 
At August 03, 2006 6:15 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Pellets and BBs,

BBs are not the same caliber as pellets - despite what the packages say. A steel BB in 0.173" in diameter, while a .177 pellet is 0.177" or larger. And most pellet guns are rifled in a way that BBs will destroy the barrel if you shoot them.

There are some airguns with special rifling that cannot be harmed by steel BBs. The Remington Airmaster 77 that is the subject of this posting is one such gun.

If you want to shoot both BBs and pellets you have to make sure the gun you buy is made for it. Guns made to shoot both will always be advertised that way.

B.B.

 
At August 23, 2006 7:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've just buyed an air master 77. There was no user manual with it, and i must admit that i'm not able to load the gun at all. How am i supposed to fill it with 200 BBs?

I dont know nothing about guns ; and, as you may have noticed, don'T talk english currently : so i'd appreciate if you would be quite clear in ansewring.

Thanks

 
At August 24, 2006 6:50 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Rather that
n me rewriting the manual, just go to Pyramyd Air's website and read it there. Scroll to the bottom of the home page and click on "manuals." Scroll down until you find what you want.

B.B.

 
At September 17, 2006 6:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quick question:
I shoot BEEMAN .177 Kodiak Extra Heavy pellets with this gun, or are they too heavy? I noticed they were not on the recomended ammo list.

 
At September 18, 2006 6:46 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

There is no such thing as a pellet that is too heavy or too light with a multi-pump pneumatic. The Kodiaks are not recommended for this rifle because they are too heavy to stabilize properly at the slow speed they will be driven, and thus they should be inaccurate at longer ranges. But if you are using them and they serve your purpose, keep on doing so.

B.B.

 
At October 11, 2006 6:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thinking about purchasing the R 77. All the talk I read is about small game. My problem is a raccoon. Will the rifle be able to take him down at close range?
Thanks

 
At October 13, 2006 6:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Honestly, I do not recommend shooting a raccoon with the Remington Airmaster 77. If you do it. the shot has to be a head shot from less than 10 yards, and that's extremely dangerous because Raccoons are known carriers of rabies.

A much better choice for your needs would be a Sheridan Blue Streak.

B.B.

 
At December 14, 2006 8:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am young and I would like to get
the R77. How far will it be acurate to?

 
At December 15, 2006 6:24 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

A Gamo R77 will shoot 2-inch groups at 25 feet in the hands of a good pistol shot. It's not noted for its accuracy. The S&W 586 will shoot 1-inch groups at the same distance, but of course it costs a lot more. Crosman's 357 is almost as accurate as the S&W 586 and it costs less than the R77.

B.B.

 
At December 20, 2006 4:01 PM, Anonymous Matt said...

In you thing it says to make sure no BBs are in the gun when you shoot Pellets, does this include the

"The BBs are loaded 200 at a time through a port in the grip cap."

So when you say

"The rifle must have NO BBs in it when you want to shoot pellets"

Does that mean just the Thing you put the 200 in or the thing you put the pellets in?

 
At December 20, 2006 4:56 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

No BBs in the gun. Yes it is possible to keep the BBs in the reservoir without loading one, as long as the smaller reservoir has no BBs in it, but that's too difficult to remember.

No BBs.

B.B.

 
At December 20, 2006 6:30 PM, Anonymous Matt said...

Is there anyway i can lock the reservoir so no more bbs can come in, then put a pellet in and shoot?

 
At December 21, 2006 5:44 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Matt,

You don't have to do that. All you have to do is not load the internal magazine. Careful gun handling will achieve your goal.

B.B.

 
At December 21, 2006 7:15 AM, Anonymous Matt said...

So as long as theres no BBs in the smaller part were you put the pellets in one at a time?

Sorry to be so confusing, first Pellet gun!

 
At December 21, 2006 8:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

In the owner's manual in chaper 4 they describe how to transfer BBs from thje 200-round reservoir to the visual magazine located on the left side of the receiver.

What I am saying is that if there are no BBs in the visual magazine, then a BB will not be picked up by the magnetic bolt tip when you withdraw the both to cock the gun. If there is no BB there, you can load a lead pellet.

So don't fill the visual magazine from the reservoir. like they show in figure 4 and you will be able to pellets while there are still BBs in the gun.

B.B.

 
At December 23, 2006 3:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just wondering, I live in Canada, and was asking to find out if you need a F.A. License to purchase any airguns?

 
At December 24, 2006 7:57 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Canada,

As I understand Canadian law, any airgun that does not produce over 500 f.p.s. is exempt from the law. If it goes faster than 500 f.p.s., it is considered a firearm.

B.B.

 
At December 28, 2006 6:00 PM, Anonymous Josh said...

Hey, i just got one, and I noticed that the scope was, not accurate at all.. So I was wondering if there is a way I can adujust it?
thanks a lot

 
At December 29, 2006 6:32 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Josh,

The scope adjusts by the two adjustment knobs. I assume you know that, so what are you asking?

A scope is never "accurate." The gun is accurate. The scope only directs the gun. If the gun will not group less than 2 inches, nothing the scope does will improve that.

I really don't know what you are asking.

B.B.

 
At December 30, 2006 10:54 AM, Anonymous Josh said...

yeh, my question was not very clear, but I just making sure that the scope was adjustable.
thanks.

 
At December 30, 2006 11:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey im 14 and i just got a remington A.M. 77 for christmas. its awesome, i used to have a crosman 760 pumpmaster but it got lost when i moved to florida. its really nice, i just gotta get some bb's and pellets for it.

thx for the help with the loading instructions. i thought there was something fishy about the bottom of the grip. lol thx again

 
At December 30, 2006 5:09 PM, Anonymous Sean said...

Dear B.B.,
My remington airmaster 77 just came in a few days ago, and I have some questions about it
First, I am a "noob" there for have no knowledge about air rifles etc.
When is says up to 10 pumps, does that mean i extend it all the
way out so it almost touches the barrel, and then pump it 10 times, but not locking it back to place?
Or do I extend it fully, then lock it back into place and repeat that process 10 times

My last question is, I read through some of the more reasent reviews, and about the scope. I was talking to my freind and he said i had to zero it with the knobs and such, but on my scope, the knobs do not turn.

so my question is: Should those knobs be turning? if not, are there "better" scopes that are compatible with the Remington airmaster 77?

thanz for your times..

Sean

 
At December 30, 2006 6:01 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Sean,

Your new airtgun came with an owners manual that shows exactly how to pump the gun. The drawing is on the left column, labled Figure 2.

The scope adjustments are located under removable caps in the center of the scope. Unscrew the caps and you will find silver-colored adjustment screws. They have a slot for inserting a coin to turn them.

Your scope is inexpensive and does not have audible clicks as the knobs turn, so pay attention to the markings on the knob. Move the screws in the same direction that you want to pellet to go. They are marked which direction to turn, but the markings are very faint.

B.B.

 
At January 08, 2007 7:07 PM, Blogger Always2000 said...

hello I just have a quick question. I just got an airmaster 77 and I am not really sure how often and how to oil it. I have looked all over the internet for instructions but I could'nt find anything :( Thank you for the help

 
At January 10, 2007 9:40 PM, Anonymous p_h said...

I recently recieved a remington 77 for christmas. I had expierence with air rifles before but never had owned one and was immeditally impressed with the accuracy right out of the box. Its a pretty good distance gun but i wouldnt reccomend hunting small game at a distance. I have been able to take out some grey squirrels with a well placed head shot. I reccomend only using sharp or hollow tip pellets if you are planning on killing small game. Never use bbs for they will only lead to a slow painful inhumane death. (which is why i always pop a cap in them from about 2 yards after they have stopped moving). i was also impressed by the durability of the plastic parts. at first i was a little skeptical about it but hey, it leads to an over all lighter gun and its strong. if you have any feed back or tips please email me at "doodkrew@yahoo.com"

 
At January 25, 2007 2:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quick Question: I was thinking of ordering some round ball pellets for this gun, specificly the H&N Round Copper Balls. Can these be put in the BB resevior for faster loading, or do these have to be loaded via the pellet loading port? Thanks.

 
At January 25, 2007 2:52 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Loading port.

B.B.

 
At January 30, 2007 11:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is the BB loading mechanism too small to allow a lead ball through? Or should one not load round pellets for prudence sake?

Thanks.

 
At January 31, 2007 8:20 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I would guess the BB loading mechanism might pass a lead ball but why take the change of stopping up the gun?

B.B.

 
At January 31, 2007 5:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My motivation was to able to shoot 200 rounds accurately past 50 ft or so. Or if I'm shooting with my friends, be able to switch from ball to BB depending on what they've to offer. I realized something though: steel is easier to magnetize than lead or copper and if the mechanism relies partly or solely on magnetism then there might be trouble loading one up. Just a thought.

 
At January 31, 2007 5:21 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I forget whether the bolt has a magnetic tip, but of course lead isn't ferrous, so it cannot be held by a magnet.

Still, I would load lead balls one at a time like pellets.

B.B.

 
At February 05, 2007 2:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I know this blog was posted over a year ago but I just recently looked into the Airmaster. Have you experience with the Daisy 901 and how it compares to this gun? My friend has a Powerline 901 and it's a pretty good gun for just under the price of the Airmaster but the Airmaster just looks better. Can you recommend one over the other? This blog has been extremely helpful!

 
At February 05, 2007 6:34 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The AirMaster and 901 are equivalent air rifles, but as you note, the Remington comes out on top in a few particulars. I don't have experience with the 901, but I assume it's similar to the AirMaster in accuracy and power.

Go with your instincts.

B.B.

 
At February 06, 2007 9:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I'm planning to buy the Remington77 and since mail takes a long time to get here I'm buying Ammo together, So which Brand of Pellets would you Recommend for Small Game Hunting/Pest Control? (Sorry if I wrote this Twice, could not find my entry and thought I might have done something wrong.)

 
At February 06, 2007 2:12 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Try Gamo Match, RWS Hobby, Beeman Silver Bear and Crosman Premier.

B.B.

 
At February 09, 2007 4:52 PM, Anonymous Doug said...

I have a quick question . . .

I've had a AM77 for about 2 years, using it only about 4-5 days (when we go to the country for holidays). It has worked great each time. However, today I pulled it out of the closet, and it wouldn't work!?!

Everything seems to work fine except for the pump action. There is no resistance when pumping, and it does not "store” any pressure. When you pump it up and pull the trigger, it makes a thump sound, and the BB stays in the barrel. I just read in an earlier post that I need to oil it. I plan to do that, but it looks like something else is wrong. BTW, will any oil work?

While I am certainly no gun guru, in my mind the plunger in the pump barrel looks small. When the pump is fully open, there is a small plastic piece about 3" long attached to the hinge. It looks like there should be something attached to it. Is that correct? I never looked at it while it was working, but my guess is that a piece has broken off and remains lodged inside the pump barrel. Is there any hope for it or will it spend the rest of its life in my sons toy chest as a "toy" gun? Thanks in advance for the help, doug

 
At February 09, 2007 5:19 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Doug,

I think oil will put you back in the game. You describe the pump head, and the seal is the last part on it. You should be able to see about 1/16" of the seal in the slot with the pump handle as far forward as it will go.

Put about 10 drops of oil on the foam wiper just behind the pump head seal. It will deposite the oil on the walls of the compression cylinder and you'll be in business.

As far as what oil to use, Crosman Pellgunoil is the best. Lacking that, any oil that you can buy at a major sporting goods store (Gander Mountain, Cabelas, etc.) that has an airgun maker's name on it) e.g. Gamo Gun oil, Beeman spring cylinder oil, RWS chamber lube, etc.

What you want is as pure a silicone oil as you can buy - not the hinge lubricant in the aerosol can at Home Depot, but real silicone oil with a high flashpoint. Try a paintball shop next. They are bound to have something.

B.B.

 
At February 09, 2007 11:58 PM, Anonymous Doug said...

Oh great master of the BB gun . . .

First off, thanks for the fast reply. I did not expect such expediency in this matter. Secondly, I think you have some super powers, as it seems the simple laying on of hands has done the trick.

To make a long story even longer, my AM77 has received a great deal of attention today. While I don't know why it happened, I did in fact determine (based on your post) that there was a problem with the plunger. This afternoon I thought I'd take my son out to shoot it, but as you know, it wouldn't work. Trying to be a smart guy, I began disassembling it. In 5 minutes I had about 20 pieces laid out with no idea how to get them back in. Over the course of an hour I figured out most the reassembly, and an EVP (diagram) emailed from crosman helped put ol' humpty back together.

That didn't fix anything, but at least it was no worse than before. Then after reading your post tonight I realized that the plunger had come unattached from the pump mechanism. However, I couldn't find a way to get the plastic piece to "catch" the plunger inside the barrel. I was about to take it apart again when I decided to give a few firm pumps, followed by a pulling the pump open slowly. Sure enough, the last time the plastic piece came out with a larger metal plunger attached to it. Then it looked just as you described.

So, I am back in action. I oiled it (the only oil I had was some pneumatic oil used for tools), and it seemed to pump smoothly. However, I still don’t know why it separated from the plunger or if it will happen again. My guess is that it spent so long standing up, the oil might have drained to “the bottom of the barrel” so to speak. At least it works . . . and for that, thank you!

Now for two more questions . . .
Should I even consider shooting it in my backyard? I guess I need to check with the local laws. And secondly, is there a ballpark figure of fps for each pump using a standard bb (i.e. 1 pump 200 fps, 2 pumps 350 fps, etc). I want to keep it slow as possible without the bb rolling out of the gun. It's sole purpose is as a target gun. I just wanted to put a target on a big box and have at it with my son. At any rate, thanks again for your help, it is greatly appreciated. doug

 
At February 10, 2007 7:35 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Doug,

It sounds like the seal is a snap fit on the plunger. If so, keeping the gun lubricated should be the remedy.

Now for the backyard. Lead pellets will be vastly more accurate than steel BBs. Three or four pumps are your minimum. Let's try four, since your pump head seal may have dried out a little and may not pump quite as much air as it once did. That should give you about 350 f.p.s. which is fine for targets.

Crosman wadcutter pellets that you can buy at Wal-Mart are great in that gun. Don't forget to wear safety glasses when you shoot.

Have fun and safe shooting.

B.B.

 
At February 14, 2007 7:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi im about to buy an am 77 and tried to find the laws bout hunting small game, squirrels birds, in virginia, but i couldnt find anything about hunting with airguns. i live in the subarbs and need to control the squirell poupulation in my back yard plz can sombody help me you guys have already helped me to decide to buy the am 77 over the pumpmaster 760,

Thanks alot

 
At February 15, 2007 7:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

is the airmaster 77 good quality?

 
At February 15, 2007 8:13 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

AirMaster 77,

Yes the AirMaster 77 is good quality, but it isn't a hunting airgun. And the 760 PumpMaster is even less so.

For squirrels and birds, look at the Benjamin 392.

For game laws and airguns, you need to contact the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries. Most state do not permit hunting regulated (lisense required) game with airguns, but check to make sure.

B.B.

 
At February 15, 2007 9:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks b.b.,


if the airmaster 77 is my only choice and only thing i can afford do you think its good enough for small bird and squirrels?

thanks again you are the most reliable and helpful source on the whole internet!!

 
At February 15, 2007 9:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry above i ment pests in my backyard

 
At February 15, 2007 9:41 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

If you keep the shots close (50 feet or less) then the AirMaster can do the job. Just be sure you can always hit a quarter at the distance at which you shoot.

I would really prefer to see you shooting a Daisy Powerline 22SG for this work because it is a .22, but a careful shot can do okay with a .177.

B.B.

 
At February 16, 2007 5:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am about to buy am 77, the only question I have is how loud is am 77 comparing with gamo s1k and benjamin 397 ? Thanks in advance

 
At February 16, 2007 7:11 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't know what a Gamom s1k is. The Remington AirMaster 77 will be quieter than the Benjamin 397, but not by much.

B.B.

 
At February 17, 2007 2:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi B.B.,

i just got a AM77 and am satisfied with its power but dont know which of the 5 levels i should put the sight thing on for accurate aim without the scope(which is great).
Thanks

 
At February 17, 2007 2:45 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

aqbvcd
If you are referring to the rear sight elevator, put it on the level where your pellet strikes the target closest at the distance you plan to shoot. That elevator adjusts the sight bfor different distances, so adjust it to hit what you aim at.

B.B.

 
At February 18, 2007 9:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks B.B.

 
At February 18, 2007 5:40 PM, Anonymous Scott said...

Hey fellows,

I'm looking into buying this rifle and I read through all the questions and responses and I was curious of two things.

1) [This one is kinda of straight forward]
How do you pump the gun? Which part do you use? I don't have it yet so I can read the instruction manual, but I'm curious to see which part is used.

2) Is there any info on oiling the rifle in the manual? If not, will BBs instructions coincide with the manual...

ex. when you say

"Put about 10 drops of oil on the foam wiper just behind the pump head seal. It will deposite the oil on the walls of the compression cylinder and you'll be in business."

Will I know where the pump head seal and compression cylinder are? lol.

Thanks for any response :)

 
At February 19, 2007 6:46 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Scott,

You say that you've read the manual and not found where the oil the gun. Section 8, Mainenance, deals wioth it. Figure 12 shows the pump handle you asked about, which is how the gun is pumped. It also shows where the pump cup is located and how to oil it. Figure 2 shows exactly how to pump the rifle.

There is no compression cylinder. That's on a spring piston gun. This gun has a pump cup that forces air into a reservoir. If you want to think of the pump tube forming a compression cylinder with the pump cup at one end and the air inlet valve at the other, that would be fine.

Scott, instead of saying "I CAN see the manual," did you mean to say" I CAN'T see the manual?" Because you can. It's on the Pyramyd Air website.

Scroll to the bottom of the home page and double click on the word Manuals at the bottom left of the page. That takes you to a HUGE list of manuals online. scroll down until you find the Remingtin AirMaster 77 manual.

B.B.

 
At February 20, 2007 4:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

W/ 10 pumps and a 8-10g pellet could i take out hares/rabbit at 25y? I've already made up my mind to buy the Airmaster 77, but a little reasurance would still be nice :-). I want it for target practice and casual small game hunting.

 
At February 21, 2007 5:57 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The 77 is a little light for hares, but fine for cottontails at 25 yards, max.

B.B.

 
At February 21, 2007 1:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

For relatively close range small game hunting (jacks and squirrels, at less that 35y), would you recomend dome or flat pellets

 
At February 22, 2007 9:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Hold the wadcutter to 25 yards, max. Domes are the best pellet at all ranges.

B.B.

 
At February 24, 2007 4:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have this gun and I had to take it apart to get a BB out that was stuck and now I can't figure out how to put it back together. Can someone help please? rachel2007@tds.net

 
At February 25, 2007 9:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got an AirMaster 77 yesterday, my first air gun. It's realy awsome because of its good aiming abilities. Only thing is the scope is a little hard to adjust, I'll probably figure it out later though.

 
At February 26, 2007 6:41 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

There is an excellent series of scope sighting articles on this websote.

Read this one first:

http://pyramydair.com/site/articles/scopes-part3/

B.B.

 
At February 26, 2007 3:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i got an remington airmaster77, and im not quite sure how to work it. the instruction manual is gone, and i need help. Can anyone help me??

 
At February 26, 2007 3:33 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The owner's manual is on this website.

Click here:

http://www.pyramydair.com/site/manuals/Remington-AirMaster-77.pdf

B.B.

 
At February 28, 2007 7:00 PM, Blogger legol38 said...

This is a cool gun!

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At March 01, 2007 5:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've found that at 55 feet using bb's for ammo the gun is not that accurate. I just purchased and put the scope on and have not had the chance to adjust height and windage. I've used the same amount of pumps each time but get alot of inconsistancy. I too bought for pests but judging by the way the gun performs so far I will be better off using my sling shot. I don't think it's the shooter either.

 
At March 01, 2007 5:26 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Try it with pellets before you give up.

BBs are several thousandths too small for the bore and cannot be accurate.

B.B.

 
At March 28, 2007 9:08 AM, Anonymous Hans Thiele said...

I took my airmaster apart to clean it and am having trouble reassembling it. Are there instructions or schematics that would help and where could I get them?.

Thanks,

H J T

 
At March 28, 2007 9:16 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

HJT,

Try contacting Crosman at

www.crosman.com

They make the gun.

B.B.

 
At April 06, 2007 3:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My wife has a co-worker whose mother found a BB gun in her back yard and wanted to get rid of it. I volunteered and found that its a Remington AM77 with a missing rear sight and the BB Follower Stem is also gone. Other than the barrel being somewhat weathered, the rifle appear to be in good condition. Where can I find these missing parts and does the Follower Stem have a spring that goes with it?

 
At April 06, 2007 4:11 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Contact Crosman for your AirMaster parts. Theyt make the gun and have the parts.

B.B.

 
At April 26, 2007 3:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello B.B.


Im thinking about buying the ram 77
at walmart for $70 and i have some questions

1.Is the power sufficient enough to take and crows squirrels at 30 yards and less.

2. How do i maintain this rifle.

3. How is the break in on this rifle.


4.What pellets do you recommend for hunting.

5. How would the rifle last.




thank you


jse

 
At April 26, 2007 4:55 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

jse,

q. Yes, provided you can hit a quarter at that distance.

2. Oil the pump head with Pellgunoil. Actually I believe Crosman put a felt wiper ring on this model, so oil that.

3. No break-in. Works the same from the first shot to the last.

4. I would try Crosman Premier Hollowpoints and RWS Super H-Points.

5. The AirMaster 77 is constructed of a lot of synthetics, so you cannot horse it. Treat it gently and it should last for 10 years of good use. Maybe give you 10,000 trouble-free shots if you heep the pump head oiled.

B.B.

 
At April 26, 2007 5:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you very much you help me with my desision .


I will be getting a ram 77

 
At May 05, 2007 8:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello B.B.


I need to know if there are any differences between the remington air master 77 and the crosman 2100b because the 2100b is alot cheaper than the remington and i dont need a scope nor do i need pellets or bbs so which should i buy

 
At May 05, 2007 8:07 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You answered your own question.

Enjoy!

B.B.

 
At May 06, 2007 4:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B. what would you recommend more for squirrels benjamin 397 or the remington am77

 
At May 06, 2007 4:51 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The Benjamin.

B.B.

 
At May 26, 2007 12:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey b.b.

is it worth it for me to get the benjamin 397 for about $155 shipped at pyramyd air or spend half that and get the remington air master 77 for about $77 tax and all at walmart

 
At May 26, 2007 2:04 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

This is a tough call. The 397 is quite a bit more airgun, but the AirMaster 77 may be all you need for the present.

Recently I went looking for a 1911 pistol. I bought a Taurus PT1911 instead of a Kimber. It's just as accurate, has a better trigger but may not last as long nor have the same resale value. I bought as much gun as I needed, not as much as I could afford.

B.B.

 
At May 26, 2007 3:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank very much your very helpful

 
At May 26, 2007 3:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank YOU very much your very helpful

forgive my lack ability to use my peice of junk keyboard

 
At May 27, 2007 10:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi B.B.
I just have a question with what oil to use.....I am a little Scottish ( cheap ) I have valve oil from my old trumpet here and I was wondering if I used my valve oil to oil my Airmaster.....most likely this is not a good idea......but just double checking with you. Thanks you. Chris.

 
At May 28, 2007 6:02 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

I play trombone and I know what valve oil is. It is too thin for oiling the valve of a multi-pump pneumatic. The air pressure in a trumpet is only a few psi, so the seals don't need an oil with great viscosity, but the pressure ina multi-pump is hundreds of psi. Use the right stuff.

B.B.

 
At May 28, 2007 8:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi B.B.
Thanks for your help...so I guess even though I am cheap I should go out and make a good investment with my airmaster.....better safe then sorry....thanks for the quick reply too. :D

Another question; I am having some trouble adjusting my rear sight elevation...it seems to be soo stiff, I tried unscrewing it a little...but it's still pretty tough....why would they do that? Chris.

 
At May 28, 2007 11:24 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Chris,

It's a leaf spring. Just how they work.

B.B.

 
At May 29, 2007 8:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi B.B.
Thanks again for helping me, I just have only one and final question left.....I bought oil, oiled my gun at the proper positions and it works great.....although I have noticed something....When I pump my gun the first, second, third pump get pretty tough, then when I move on to the forth it's even tougher, I can only go up to seven and I somewhat feel my arm will break off....I am 23 and well built...so it's not like I lack muscle.....but is there something I can do to reduce the strain on pumping? Any of your tips will help me. Thanks a lot B.B.

 
At May 30, 2007 10:07 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

If you are pumping with the scope mounted you are at a mechanical disadvantage. But your gun does sound too hard to pump. My wife can pump our 77 easily 10 times.

What oil did you use for the pump head?

B.B.

 
At May 30, 2007 6:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I have Husky's oil....it's an all purpose pneumatic oil....they didn't have the crossman oil...sadly......hmm...anything else I could possibly try?

 
At May 31, 2007 7:28 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

According to the owner's manual posted on this website, you should use Pellgunoil, only. They also warn not to over-oil.

Since this problem began when you oiled the gun, I have to assume the oil was the cause. I would get some Pellgunoil and try to re-oil, to dilute the Husky's oil on the pump cup.

B.B.

 
At June 11, 2007 11:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello b.b.

would help maintain the seals if i stored the gun with 2-3 pumps



thank you

 
At June 11, 2007 4:54 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I use two pumps on vintage airguns, because their seals don't seal as well as new guns, but three is excessive. One or two should be good enough.

B.B.

 
At June 18, 2007 9:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello this question is for anybody who has had this problem.my remington airmaster 77 is about 5 months old and im already having problems.BBs are pretty powerful but always curve.pellets on the other hand shoot pretty accurate but are fairly weak,at 10 pumps i can see the pellet flying through the air.please reply i you have any suggestions. THANX

 
At June 19, 2007 8:54 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

It is always possible to see pellets flying. How fast is your pellet going? Shooting into modeling clay with wadcutter pellets your 77 should penetrate about .5 inches.

B.B.

 
At June 19, 2007 10:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I need a scamatic for a remington airmaster 77... any help? darrell@repro360.com

 
At June 19, 2007 10:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey i just bought an R77 yesterday and it was shooting pretty well but im worried about how i can keep the gun at a velocity of no less than 700 . ive so far shot it about maybe 50 times now and i plan to oil it tommorow. i have a few questions, how do i not over oil it? also my friend was using it the other day and he was pumping it up and down really fast while i usually do it more gently and at a slower pace because i dont want to break it, is it a bad idea to pump the gun too fast from wear and tear? i want this gun to be in good condition for as long as possible, any tips for maintaining the quality of this gun and techniques to increase its life and especially accuracy and power-i want it to stay powerful enough to shoot small pests? thanks alot!

 
At June 20, 2007 8:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i took my gun to a man that i know that does work on any kind of gun.he said i had a leak in the pump valve.but he could not find the reason why bbs were curving so badly.we tested it and at 10 feet i got 1 1/2 ft. groupings with bbs and 1 inch groupings with pellets.but my friend has a remington am 77 and it shoots sweet.i think i picked up a lemon.

 
At June 20, 2007 1:48 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I agree that your friend's fast pumping of the gun is not good for longevity. Let's keep it like you've been doing...long and steady. For maintenance, use Crosman Pellgunoil on the pump head, and you need that only once ever 3 months or so. And, you need that only if you use the gun alot.

As far as accuracty, it's all in the pellet. With the Remington, I recommend that you try Crosman pellets first. For ranges up to 25 yds., use Crosman wadcutters. Beyond 25 yds, use Copperhead Domes or Premiers. You might try other pellets, but start with Crosman.

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2007 2:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

as far as bbs are concerned,what kind shoots the most accurate,or does it matter with them?as far as pellets,daisy pointed pellets work fine for me.


cody.

 
At June 20, 2007 5:06 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lemon,

I must agree on the lemon comment. Contact the dealer if the gun is new or Crosman if it isn't and see what can be done.

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2007 6:07 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cody,

In a loose barrel like the 77, BB brand probably makes no difference.

B.B.

 
At June 21, 2007 8:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B. thank you for the help

 
At June 26, 2007 4:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey im back again, my gun isnt really being as truly accurate as it was the first day i shot it, im not sure why, i did adjust my scope and didnt have the time to calibrate it well enough, but so far ive done two things that im afraid that might cause damage to the gun: first i accidentally shot it with a pellet reversed, i couldnt get it out and its already pumped about 5 times, so i had no choice but to fire it.
2nd, the other day i for somereason, accidentally placed two pellets in the barrel, and shot them out. will these two incidences leave long irreparable damages to my gun or do you think the gun is made to last and it shouldnt be a problem. one thing i could think of is that the reversed pellet might leave some lead shreds on the riflings so i might need to clean the barrel abit, but other than that i dont know if my gun is really okay.

 
At June 26, 2007 5:25 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Relax,

Neither thing you did will hurt your gun in any way. A pneumatic is much more forgiving than a spring gun in that respect.

Just keep shooting.

B.B.

 
At June 28, 2007 11:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

does anyone know/tested for the MOA of the airmster 77?

 
At June 29, 2007 6:12 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The second comment to this post lists the accuracy as keeping all shots on a quarter at 25 yards. A quarter is about one inch in diameter, but the groups expand faster as distance increases. Let's say this is a 8-10 MOA rifle that groups 3/4-inch at 25 yards.

B.B.

 
At July 01, 2007 11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry for my lack of insight in this topic, but how exactly do you calculated the MOA? if the gun groups at 3/4 of an inch at 25 yards, four times that, well 1 inch at 25 will get me 4 inch of groupings at 100 yards since its 25 times 4, im not sure if i did it right, but based on my method(incorrect?), wouldn't the R77 be 4 MOA or better?

 
At July 01, 2007 11:12 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You are correct, if the spread was linear, but it's not. A rifle that groups 0.75-inch at 25 yards will spread to a lot more than 4 times as much at 100 yards.

I was being kind by estimating 8 to 10 moa at 100 yards. However, if you confine your shots to no more than 25 yards, then, yes, the AirMaster 77 is indeed a 4 MOA (or better) shooter.

On second thought, you never asked about long-range accuracy, so I was wrong to say what I did. I should have just stuck with the accuracy already stated in the post above.

Sorry,

B.B.

 
At July 02, 2007 7:06 PM, Anonymous shawn said...

hey i bought my am 77 and after about 200 shots i oiled it with two or three drops of pellgunoil, however when i shot about 40 more shots, i felt that its still dry for somereason, when i look ed at the pump, the felt cloth of the pump is fairly dry, so i added yet another drop of pellgunoil to it which now i regret because ive been warned about over-oiling the gun, how much exactly is over oiling, (ive put about 4 drop of pellgunoil in the felt cloth in the gun) if thats too much, what kind of damages would i expect to observe from the gun, and is it reversible. thank you so much for helping me!

 
At July 02, 2007 7:08 PM, Anonymous shawn said...

oh and by the way, i have NO idea how much oil it is already put in the gun when i bought it, there seems to be alot of oil in the barrel and in the hinges already, all except for the felt cloth which feels the most dry, if you can know what cloth im talking about. the reason i think its dry is because each time i pump it i hear alot of scrieching noises which i assume is from the dryness of the pump or something, but i guess i shouldnt assume anyways as it could just be the metal hinges moving or something.

 
At July 02, 2007 10:54 PM, Anonymous shawn said...

i looked up on the manual, the manual said only use one drop, in the pump cup thing or watever, it didnt say anything about the felt cloth that i find in my gun's mechanism, and i couldnt find the pump cup. if having a felt cloth in the tube thing means i have a different(slightly) model than the manual, does that mean i should/can put more oil in it- like 5 to 10 drops as you said in some of your earlier posts? thank you!

 
At July 03, 2007 6:33 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Shawn,

Calm down. You have not damaged your rifle in any way. You probably don't need to oil it again for awhile, but it will be fine as it is.

The pump cup they refer to is almost impossible to see without disassembling the rifle. All you can see is the end of it with the pump handle all the way forward. The felt washer absorbs oil and then distributes it on the walls of the tube, where it gets picked up by the pump cup.

I wish the people who write those instructions would actually look at the gun they are describing!

B.B.

 
At July 05, 2007 9:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am going to buy thi rifle from walmart in a few days, IS this gun accurat wit ha scope?..and is the hard to set?.

also do you realy have to oil it every 20 shots?.

 
At July 06, 2007 4:01 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Wak-Mart,

The AirMaster 77 is reasonably accurate for its price. But where did you hear that it has to be oiled every 20 shots? Oil it every 500 shots.

B.B.

 
At July 10, 2007 1:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was thinking about buying this gun for outdoor and indoor use. I have a question though..can it shoot the 6mm plastic bb's?
Thanks

 
At July 10, 2007 1:55 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

No,

The Remington AirMaster 77 is a real BB gun - not an airsoft gun. Airsoft guns are the only ones that use 6mm plastic BBs. A real BB gun uses steel BBs that are much smaller.

B.,B.

 
At July 13, 2007 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the 5th of July I bought this as my first pellet rifle for backyard pest removal, namely tree squirrels and ground squirrels (chipmunks). After reading this blog I decided to skip the BB's and go with pellets for the better accuracy. I purchased a few tins of Crosman pointed-tip "hunting" pellets and have been very happy with the results.

After printing out some paper targets from online, we sighted in the scope. After about 15 shots we had it dialed in to the limits of our own shooting skills - At 17 paces we were able to hit a quarter on occasion.

After having shot about 250 shots, I have come to know and love this gun even more. At 17 paces, I am able to hit a 0.5" disc 1 time out of 20 and I'm working on getting that down to 1 in 10. I've noticed more accuracy at 10 pumps than at 5, there is less drop, the pellet flies with less arc and I don't have to aim higher. There is definitely a difference in pump power as you add on the pumps, despite what a previous comment said.

So far I've eliminated three chipmunks and a large squirrel. Inspecting the squirrel, I believe I hit it in the head with a glancing blow across the top of it's skill near it's ear (with 10 pumps). There seemed to be no penetration but he dropped quickly with very little twitching from the impact.

This is a terrific pellet gun and I would recommend it to anyone.

 
At July 13, 2007 3:29 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Good report!

It's always nice to hear when something works as it should.

Thanks,

B.B.

 
At July 13, 2007 7:40 PM, Anonymous shawn said...

Yes this is a good gun, i bought this gun at around june 22nd or close to that, and to this date i have gotten 13 birds and two confirmed squirrel kills, this gun is deadly accurate if you calibrate it right. today i just shot a small crow looking through a small opening among some thick leaves and got the crow at about 40 yards or so, very accurate i am very impressed...

 
At July 24, 2007 11:03 AM, Anonymous mike said...

first time on this site...
wanted to buy a bb gun for target fun
not for pest control
I'm 16, so I can't buy one but can get one as a gift right?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5913355
Remington Airmaster 77 Air Rifle
do you recommend it for JUST target practing?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5391403
Soft Air Multi-Target Game Set
going to buy that to as the target
if this game is too dangerous for target is this one ok
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5913354
Crosman 664 Powermaster Air Rifle
I want one for fun, won't be killing or shooting living things, I want a rifle. not a pistol.
also, do I need to buy other things for the rifles? like oil?
thanks

 
At July 24, 2007 2:05 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Mike,

If you really want to shoot targets and be accurate, I recommend the IZH 61 rifle. It shoots pellets only and is quite accurate.

Wal-Mart doesn't carry it. You have to get one here.

An airsoft trap and target are not strong enough to stop a pellet or BB from an Airmaster 77 or a Crosman 66. You need a silent pellet trap that will cost as much as either of those guns. If you just shoot pellets you can get by with a Beeman pellet trap.

B.B.

 
At July 24, 2007 2:29 PM, Anonymous mike said...

thanks a lot for replying
1. just want to shoot bb (plastic), aren't pellets a little dangerous?
2. appartly, walmart does not sell another other kind of rifle, just want a bb gun to shoot targets, using nefe guns kind of gets boring :)
3. my parents don't trust online buying, so I have to buy everything in stores.....the rifles sport auitory sells seems to be even more powerful....
4. I don't know a lot about guns
5. from what I know (or seem to know), you can control the power by pumping, if I just pump 1-2, would that be weak enough?I'm not planning to shoot targets 100 miles , just indoor, backyard, and I don't have a very big house
6. main qustion, if I only pump 1-2, and the target is not far (basement), will Crosman 664 and Soft Air work? if not, what other options are there at walmart?sprot auitroy...ect (going to natice mall, any other places where they sell bb guns?)
thanks for your help and time

 
At July 24, 2007 2:30 PM, Anonymous mike said...

thanks a lot for replying
1. just want to shoot bb (plastic), aren't pellets a little dangerous?
2. appartly, walmart does not sell another other kind of rifle, just want a bb gun to shoot targets, using nefe guns kind of gets boring :)
3. my parents don't trust online buying, so I have to buy everything in stores.....the rifles sport auitory sells seems to be even more powerful....
4. I don't know a lot about guns
5. from what I know (or seem to know), you can control the power by pumping, if I just pump 1-2, would that be weak enough?I'm not planning to shoot targets 100 miles , just indoor, backyard, and I don't have a very big house
6. main qustion, if I only pump 1-2, and the target is not far (basement), will Crosman 664 and Soft Air work? if not, what other options are there at walmart?sprot auitroy...ect (going to natice mall, any other places where they sell bb guns?)
thanks for your help and time

 
At July 24, 2007 2:41 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Mike,

Both the Remington AirMaster 77 and Crosman 664 are real BB guns that shoot steel BBs. The plastic BBs are shot only in airsoft guns, so what you want is an airsoft gun. The target you selected will work well with that.

Airsoft guns are not multi-pump pneumatics like both the Remington and Crosman. You are mixing the technology of the BB guns (the real ones) with airsoft guns.

Airsoft guns come with three different powerplants

Spring piston

Gas

Automatic electric (a spring piston with a motor to cock the piston)

Look for something called an airsoft (or soft air) gun.

IOf you have an Academy Sports, they carry a wide selection of airsoft guns.

B.B.

 
At July 24, 2007 3:08 PM, Anonymous mike said...

thanks a lot!!!
how dangerous are the "real bb guns" (air rifles, steel bb)?

 
At July 24, 2007 3:38 PM, Anonymous mike said...

reason I want air rifles, looks cool
however
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2643181&cp=712507.2028379.2028376&view=all&filter=yes&fCat=2028376&fpricesort=priceAscending&parentPage=family
sportauthority has some nice looking airsoft guns...but correct me if I'm wrong...they seem to be "low powered"
of course I'm not going to kill with a bb gun,but I would not want to spend 60 on something that shoots like a neft gun
also,
why on earth would you need to be 18 to buy an AIRSOFT gun? I see why for an air rifle but airsoft? I have two, one sucks other can shoot thought glass, but still.....

 
At July 24, 2007 4:10 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Mike,

Used improperly these guns can kill.

As for the 18 remark, welcome to modern society.

B.B.

 
At July 24, 2007 4:41 PM, Anonymous mike said...

air rifles can kill, I'm not surpised, unfornatly, some parents are "stupid" and like 8 years kids play with them
airsoft....unlesss you get hit in the eye, I doubt you could get hurt......
what is the point of 18 to buy but under 18 you can use? kind of like smoking right?

 
At August 05, 2007 10:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi...i am thinking of purchasing a remington 77...and i have a crossman 760. which one do you recomend for me to use for pest for rats at night time...these rats are really really wild. so i need to know which one is better for faster load and speed for the rats. plus these rats are on trees so i need a very fast acting of the gun.

 
At August 06, 2007 6:33 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The AirMaster 77 is more powerful than the 760, but a breakbarrel spring rifle would be faster.

B.B.

 
At August 06, 2007 8:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi...i was wondering if i pump the remington 77 more then 10 times. will that do any damage to the gun or to the pump. i just like to know before i try it because somehow some gun do that more air into its gun then its max like the crossman 760.

 
At August 07, 2007 1:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about a silencer, the crosman 2100b looks simulair to the Airmaster 77 and they are both made by crosman, would it be possible to use the silencer of a 2100b on a Airmaster 77 ?

I want to make as less as noise as possible.

 
At August 07, 2007 6:07 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Remington 77,

Pumping more than the maximum times just makes the gun shoot weaker. Tha valve cannot open against greater pressure. And over time, it will wear out the pump mechanism.

B.B.

 
At August 07, 2007 6:08 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You need to read Tom Gaylord's article about buying a silencer. It will cost you $200 just to register one, plus the cost of the silencer.

http://www.pyramydair.com/articles/silencers/

B.B.

 
At August 07, 2007 2:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't have to register one because I live in Europe, many silencers can be bought in the stores over here (only for airrifles) but they don't sell one for the Airmaster, but they do for the Crosman2100B, as far as the airspeed and they both can use bb aswel as pallets I was thinking they may be very simulair and mabye the barrel of the crosman2100b is the same as the remington Airmaster77 so it would fit, if it doesnt I'm thinking about buying tyhe 2100b instead of the airmaster77.

 
At August 07, 2007 2:47 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Sorry about that. Of course you can own a silencer in Europe.

They are very similar rifles, as you say. If the 2100B does have a silencer, I would go with it. The power is the same in both guns.

B.B.

 
At August 10, 2007 4:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was thinking about buying the air master 77 but i was wondering if it could kill quail, pheasent and doves?

 
At August 10, 2007 5:29 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

With perfect head shots, it could.

So shoot no farther than you can hit a 3/4-inch circle every time.

B.B.

 
At August 10, 2007 8:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

is there another punamatic gun i should look into without spending much more cash because i would like to use it to hunt quail, pheasent and doves in the field and be able to use it in my yard.


thanks

 
At August 11, 2007 7:29 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

A Daisy 22SG is a better hunting airgun for the money because it comes in .22. That's a better caliber for hunting. In this price range, that's all I can recommend.

You might also consider a breakbarrels spring rifle, though in this price range they are no more accurate than the 77 and they require a lot of handling technique to shoot accurately.

B.B.

 
At August 11, 2007 8:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for the replies.

which would be better for hunting, the Daisy 22SG or the benjamin 392?

like i said ill be hunting meduim game like i mentioned above.

 
At August 11, 2007 9:14 PM, Anonymous Adam said...

I just bought this gun and am very dissatisfied with the accuracy. I looked in the little pamphlet that came with it, but it said nothing about cleaning the barrel before shooting. I am wondering if this could be the problem. The gun looks and feels great but will shoot dead on, then a foot left, 6 inches right, high, etc at only 10 yards!!! I was definitely expecting much better from Crosman/Remington. My old one-cock was more accurate than this! Please tell me what I'm doing wrong!

 
At August 12, 2007 7:58 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

A Benjamin 392 is quite a bit more powerful than a 22SG, but it is difficult to mount a scope on one (and still be able to pump the gun.

Yes, the 392 is the better hunting airgun.

B.B.

 
At August 12, 2007 8:00 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

When pellets move 12 inches at 10 yards, there can be but a few problems. Either the scope (I assume you are using one?) is loose or broken or the barrel is loose. If you have a scope, the way to check is to take it off and shoot some groups with the open sights.

B.B.

 
At August 12, 2007 12:19 PM, Anonymous Adam said...

The scope is definately not loose. Already verified with open sights. I will check the barrel though. I was thinking oil/grease was causing the problem. At 4 pumps, I watched the BB come out and spiral.

 
At August 12, 2007 1:01 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Adam,

WAIT A MINUTE!

Are you talking about aq BBs accuracy at 10 meters? BBs aren't accurate at that distance.

Your rifle is accurate with lead pellets only. The BBs are just for close (15-20 FEET) plinking.

B.B.

 
At August 13, 2007 10:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi. I do actully own a remington airmaster 77...im about 12 and i like to hunt birds and all sorts of rodents and such. I have noticed the gun loosing power over time though..so i got a few questions.

#1. How many times do i have to pump it to kill a bird?

#2. Where can i buy the lubricant for my rifle?

#3. Will bb's kill a bird or are pellets more preferable?

Thanks for the comments and i hope u can awnser my questions

 
At August 14, 2007 6:59 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Bird hunter,

The oil for a Remington AM77 is Crosman Pellgunoil. Some Wal-Marts carry it in the sporting goods department or you can order it online. Oil the gun like it shows in your manual. If you don't have a manual, there is one on the Pyramyd Air website. Go to the home page and scroll to the bottom to see the manuals link.

Pellgunoil is found here:

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/accessory/222

Only use lead pellets for hunting. Steel BBs are cruel and not humane. Even though they go faster, they do not cause lethal injuries unless they hit the exact right place, while lead pellets expand and cause more damage.

Pump 8-10 times for all game. And oil your gun now.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2007 4:42 PM, Anonymous Brian said...

Hello, i have an airmaster 77
i took it apart becuase it had a BB stuck and now im stuck putting it back together can someone help me please.

If you can please email me briansoto@cox.net

Thanks,
Brian

 
At January 12, 2008 5:14 PM, Anonymous sean said...

b.b

i am twelve years old and i am looking to by a pellet/bb combo. would you recamend the remington airmaster 77. and is it good for small game.

thanks
sean

 
At January 13, 2008 8:38 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Sean,

Yes, the Remington Airmaster 77 is a good airgun for you. Please remember that steel BBs rebound with terrific velocity from hard targets like trees and metal objects. You must wear safety glasses all the time you shoot steel BBs. I have had my lip busted from a rebound 33 feet away, so the energy that remains is almost as much as the BB had to begin with.

It's a good habit to always wear shooting safety glasses every time you shoot, anyway.

I assume you will be taking an NRA-sanctioned Hunter Safety course before you handle any gun - air or otherwise? It's a right of passage we all have to go through, and you'll end up being a better shot as well as a safer one.

B.B.

 
At March 04, 2008 7:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't get my Airmaster 77 to pump up. what gives?

 
At March 05, 2008 6:08 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The rifle will not pump unless it's cocked. Have you cocked it?

B.B.

 
At March 18, 2008 4:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

my little brother took my airmaster 77 apart...i got most of the pieces back together but i cant figure out where a piece goes
its black..has a pin sticking out of a rectangular head with a hole in it, its plastic.
please HELP

 
At March 18, 2008 4:26 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

On the Crosman website they have the parts lists for most of the airguns they produce. Go here:

http://www.crosman.com/2004/pdf/manualarchive/RAM77-EVP.pdf

B.B.

 
At March 22, 2008 7:26 PM, Blogger fred said...

how do i get over 700 fps from my master77 its detuned to 495fps

 
At March 23, 2008 8:56 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

A Canadian, eh?

Your AirMaster 77 was designed to not exceed 495 f.p.s. to comply with Canadian law. To change that you need a new gun, or the skill and money to convert your gun to a U.S. model. A lot of parts have to be changed. Since you are asking, this project is probably not one you want to undertake.

B.B.

 
At March 23, 2008 6:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got an AM77 from an uncle, but i'm not sure if it shoots at 700 or 495 FPS. In other words, how can I check if it's the Canadian or American one? I live in Canada, but I'm not sure my uncle bought it. I'm really new to using any types of guns besides airsoft guns.

 
At March 24, 2008 6:02 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Well,

A chronograph would tell you instantly, but I guess you don't own one?

Try penetration of a lead pellet in modeling clay. If it's a U.S. spec gun it will penetrate about an inch or more. If it's Canadian, about a half-inch.

Wear safety glasses every time you shoot.

B.B.

B.B.

 
At April 15, 2008 7:04 PM, Blogger John said...

Buy a BSA 30mm Red Dot sight for this gun. It's more accurate and reliable than the cheap 4X20 Scope. It doesn't enlarge the target but at close or medium ranges 4X doesn't matter much.

 
At May 22, 2008 12:33 PM, Anonymous Greg said...

My airmaster77 pumps, but when I pull the trigger nothing happens, (yes I checked the safety) I can pump it a couple more times and when I pull the trigger it makes a bit of a clicking sound. I have oiled it. I am trying to shoot BB's and it was working well until a couple of days ago when this started.

 
At May 22, 2008 12:44 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Greg,

You don't mention cocking the gun. Are you cocking it?

When you pull back on the cocking handle it clicks as the loading port cover opens. The gun is not cocked at that point. You have to pull back until the cover is no longer visible and the sear catches the cocking knob. Then push forward all the way until the loading port cover clicks shut.

B.B.

 
At May 22, 2008 2:14 PM, Anonymous Greg said...

B.B. I believe I am. Like I said it was working fine, now it just seems to be jammed up. I will go give it a good shake and try and re-cock it.

 
At May 22, 2008 2:18 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Greg,

Whatever else you do, don't pump it any more. The rifle now has many pump strokes stored in the compression chamber.

B.B.

 
At July 06, 2008 2:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i need help putting the pieces back together to the gun if any of you guys can take a picture of the inside of the gun not the barrel that would really help

 
At July 17, 2008 4:06 PM, Anonymous AR Enthusiast said...

I have a question that isn't necessarily specific to this gun, but I do own this one.

I am looking for a good hollowpoint for this gun, and I was wondering which would be more accurate, the Beeman Crow Magnum 8.8gr hollowpoints or the Crossman Destroyer 7.9gr hollowpoints. Or if you know another good hollowpoint in 4.5mm.

I am looking for maximum stopping power for small rodents and birds, but I want to maintain accuracy, preferably of at least 1" groupings at 10yds, but preferably smaller groupings.

Thanks.

 
At July 17, 2008 4:32 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I know the Beeman Crow Mag will meet your accuracy requirements. I haven't tested the Crosman Destroyer, but I tested it when it was the Devastator. It was explosive but not accurate at all. But the company that made it was not as quality conscious as Crosman.

I'd try 'em both - one at a time.

B.B.

 
At July 17, 2008 6:12 PM, Anonymous AR Enthusiast said...

Thanks. Have you ever tried the RWS Super H-Point pellets?

 
At July 18, 2008 9:56 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Yes, I have tried just about every hollowpoint made. Crosman Premiers did surprisingly well, and the Super-H-Points did well, too. Have you read this report?

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/01/do-hollowpoint-pellets-work.html

B.B.

 
At July 18, 2008 11:44 PM, Anonymous AR Enthusiast said...

Yeah, I did have a quick look at that. I was surprised that the crow magnum pellet came apart. I might try to grab some transparent soap like Tom did and test out some different hollow points.

Thanks for the advice.

AR.

 
At July 19, 2008 1:17 AM, Anonymous AR Enthusiast said...

I've been doing some snooping around. Maybe the devistator you mentioned is similar to Gamo's pointed hollowpoint.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/p/pellet/500

Several reviews say that Gamo's hollowpoints need better quality control. I will have to pick up some Crossman Destroyers as part of the test. I wish the Crow Magnum pellets weren't so expensive though.

 
At July 19, 2008 7:47 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

AR Enthusiast,

No, I know the pellet I refer to. Crosman bought the Devastator tooling and are now producing that pellet. But they worked for 18 months to set up the line to do a better job.

B.B.

 
At July 23, 2008 4:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am thinking about departing with my Crossman 66 Powermaster .177 cal gun but I'm not sure what it's worth. I was thinking around $50. What do you think?

 
At July 23, 2008 4:41 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Blue Book lists them fro $20 to $80, depending on condition.

B.B.

 
At July 25, 2008 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks B.B.!

 
At July 31, 2008 9:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi i was looking arund and i found a fully automatc bb/pellet gun on
fullyautomaticairgun.com and it says it will get over 600fps on and it takes co2 paintball tanks or hpa and they screw on the back for the stock its blowback and when you click on the buy now buten it go's to a vote thin saying wuld you pay 350 for the gun so i wus wundring if you culd go to the site and look cuz i want to get it when it comes out and dont know if it will be a good deal.
and i need a good gun for plinking and hunting in .177 and it has to be abel to get good grups at 20 yards i was thinking of the bengemen pcp in 177 im not a good speller but i think you know what i mean plz anzer by. dave

 
At August 01, 2008 8:24 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Dave,

You have uncovered a "smoke and mirror" scam. The website is trolling to see if there is enough interest for the person to do what it looks like he's already done.

These things never pan out. The person doing the poll hasn't got a clue about how to take something into production, but they think this is the best first step.

Forget about it.

The Benjamin Discovery is able to get good groups out at 50 yards, so 20 is no problem.

B.B.

 

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