Thursday, January 19, 2006

Crosman's 357GW kit

by B.B. Pelletier

There are more great airgun deals in this world than I have time to report. One that snuck up and surprised me is Crosman's 357GW kit.

This revolver is a real trooper!
In 1983, Crosman brought out their 357 10-shot revolver. It resembles a Colt Python, yet it breaks open from a center hinge like a Webley Mark IV revolver. It uses a CO2 powerlet to push a .177 pellet up to whatever speed the barrel length dictates - and that's where the story starts to get interesting. In '83, they had models with both 4" and 6" barrels, and a year later they brought out the 8" gun. These guns are lighter than their firearms counterparts, so the 8" barreled gun is not too unwieldy for anyone to handle. The Python grips help you control the gun, too. How about that? Positive gun control depends on the grips!

Without any competition, Crosman still made this a great deal!
In 2006, you might be tempted to say, "So what?" to a CO2 revolver; but in the middle '80s, there weren't many airgun revolvers to choose from. Add the Crosman price to the mix (with no competitors!), and it gets even better. This was a deal, if you wanted a revolver, and it was all there was! It was good then..and it still is!

The 357 fires both single- and double-action and gets good power (in the 400+ f.p.s. range, depending on barrel length). It's a fast-handling revolver with lots of shots and has a fully adjustable rear sight that gets you on target. Probably several million 357s have been sold in the time it's been around. Bottom line? This is a gun with a following.

Where do they stand today?
To complete this report, I'll compare the 357 to the Gamo R-77. That revolver came along more than a decade later. They don't currently offer an 8" model, and their 6" gun is available only with walnut grips. So, the Gamo R77 is more expensive, has fewer features and lower power than the Crosman 357. It still has its devoted followers, but feature for feature, the Crosman comes out on top.

The other revolver I will compare it to is the S&W 586-4. This Umarex gun costs three times what the Crosman does, and it does have a better finish and lockwork. But, if your goal is to buy an affordable wheelgun and start shooting now, I don't think the S&W is three times better (or more fun).

What about the 357GW kit?
Okay, you know about the plain 357, but there is also a kit version that has some added features. For starters, it comes with both the 4" and 8" barrels. I would buy it for that, alone, but there's more. Also included is a Crosman red dot sight with mounts for the gun, three 10-shot rotary pellet clips and a special hard case to hold everything. At $78.95, that's a deal!

That 8" barrel would be the thing I'd like to try out. I love long-barreled revolvers, and I've never owned one with interchangeable barrels. The S&W 586 has an 8" interchangeable barrel, but it's only $10 less than the entire Crosman kit! That's not to say it isn't very nice, but the Crosman gives you so much for so little money that I don't think you can ignore it. Plus, I'm guessing the 8" barrel will give velocities in the 460+ f.p.s. range with light pellets.

I'd like to hear from 357 owners. How do you like your guns? Does anyone own the kit? If so, how easy are the barrel changes?

217 Comments:

At January 19, 2006 8:05 AM, Anonymous Denny said...

Great article about a great gun. I have had the same Crosman 6" revolver for 6 years and it still works as well as ever. Bought a dozen extra magazines and use it for shooting at objects tossed into the air and for hip shots and can rolling. A real million dollar fun gun for only a little money.

 
At January 19, 2006 8:25 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Denny,

Thank you for your comments. I hope to hear from a lot more 357 owners. I do believe this is one of the best buys in an inexpensive air pistol today.

B.B.

 
At January 19, 2006 8:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,I told you on a post that I have an air rifle {daisy 953} that shoots 3000fps and I was wrong.I bought a brand new chronografer from pyramid air and it said it was 3500fps.So sorry for telling you it was less but I now told the truth because of my new chronographer.

KKYY

 
At January 19, 2006 9:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope I don't get on of those broken chronies!

 
At January 20, 2006 12:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of the three guns mentioned in the post which is the most accurate? Is the build quality of the Crossman equal to that of the Gammo? Are the shooting characteristics of the three similar? Thanks

 
At January 20, 2006 6:46 AM, Anonymous b.B. Pelletier said...

I think the Crosman and Gamo guns can be rated as equals. A longer barrel means more distance between the sights and that helps prompote accuracy. Longer barrels have nothing to do with accuracy by themselves.

As for the shooting characteristics, the Gamo always shoots faster in the double action mode, which is the hardest to control. That's because it uses a moving valve body to seal the cylinder, kind of like a Mosin Nagant revolver. Other than that, I'd say they are equivalent.

B.B.

 
At January 20, 2006 9:28 AM, Anonymous JB said...

Can't comment on the Crosman or Gamo, but the S&W is a fine piece! I have the Blue model with 4,6 & 8" barrels. The 8" is my favorite, about 1" groups with RWS supermags at 10m (two handed hold). Compares very well to the "real" .357 firearm. I think my CO-2 gun has a better trigger (single action) than my .357.

As BB says, the crosman is lighter. The S&W is 44oz with 6" bbl, the crosman is 32oz (weights from Pyramid) My .357 S&W 6"bbl is 46oz empty, just for reference. Probably a lot easier for someone with less strength to shoot the crosman.

The Crosman kit price is excellent, I might have to get one just to try it!! Thanks BB.

JB

 
At January 20, 2006 9:39 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

JB,

Thanks for that report. I will do an S&W revolver report one of these days.

B.B.

 
At January 20, 2006 2:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I ordered a crosman Silver series 357 eight in 1994, replacing the 1377 american classic which I gave to my son. So, here we are in 2006 and the 357 is working great, and still holds gas for months, and still fires at 475-and 500+ fps. It penetrates into a pine 2x4 just slightly less than the the 1377c that I bought a few months ago!

 
At January 20, 2006 3:00 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Now, that's a good report! I hope those who are thinking about the 357 see it.

I have a question for you. Do you use Pellgunoil on the tip of the powerlets in your 357?

B.B.

 
At January 21, 2006 2:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does the accuracy of the 357 compare to the S&W? Is the S&W made of cast pot metal or of an alloy. Is the plastic construction of the 357 the same as the Gamo R 77 and how do those platics compare to ones used in the Beeman P3?
Thanks, DB.

 
At January 21, 2006 8:49 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

DB,

I will defer to someone who owns both guns right now on the accuracy question. The S&W is cast of spelter or pot metal All Umarex guns are made of it. Umarex has taken this technology to the highest level I've ever seen. A 586 air pistol looks as nice as a 586 firearm.

As far as the plastics used by Crosman and Gamo, I'm not qualified to comment on what they are, but they do appear very similar. Like the plastic used in Glocks, they come from a group called engineering plastics that are generally better than steel for their intended purpose. Not stronger, just better for other reasons. Don't worry - you won't wear one out.

The P3 is made from some similar stuff, but like aluminum that has dozens of different alloys, I'm sure there are subtle differences in the blends.

B.B.

 
At January 21, 2006 1:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

KKYY,

Ok...., I'll ask.... how is it that your Daisy 953 produces 3000+fps?

Are you shooting it with body armor on?

Do you still have 10 fingers?

Is the barrel shorter than 7 feet?

dsw

 
At January 21, 2006 8:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At January 22, 2006 8:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dsw,

Sorry for that.Ill explain.I made some modifications to my 953.I use a scuba tank addapted to the chamber.The barrel is 57 inches long.The mechanism is new to resist the punch.I hope now you get me.

KKYY.

 
At January 22, 2006 7:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a 357 with an 8" barrel and enjoy(ed) it very much. It died when I accidentally left a powerlet in it, but gave a few years of service willingly. The only thing I can think of to complain about is the trigger pull on D.A. is a tad heavy, but S.A. is a delight for plinking. No feeding, accuracy, breakage or even fit problems. Well,I guess it would not be the first choice if I had smaller hands, but that is a minor thing too. All said and done, a very nice piece, and well worth the money. Now to get it repaired, spring is coming...

 
At January 22, 2006 8:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

KKYY,

I kind of thought you'd have a large quantity of air and a lot of barrel.

Be careful man, there's a real powerful package there.

dsw

 
At January 23, 2006 8:01 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

357 owner,

Have you tried the Pellgunoil trick? That sometimes brings 'em back.

And do you know where to send your gun for repairs?

B.B.

 
At January 29, 2006 4:32 PM, Anonymous 357 Owner said...

357 owner,

-Have you tried the Pellgunoil trick? That sometimes brings 'em back.

Didn't think of that, don't know why.

-And do you know where to send your gun for repairs?

No, I do not know where to send it yet, I just had a baby so I have had a few other things to do. I think fifteen minuets on the net should do it, unless you know of a place near Redmond Wa.
I think this is in the top five spots for pellet gun info, please keep it up, and send the naysayers a flaming bag of poo for me!

 
At January 29, 2006 5:28 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

One parcel of doo-doo on the way!

B.B.

 
At February 04, 2006 11:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi B.B.

I have been following your blogs for a few months and thoroughly enjoy them. It's refreshing to read articles with actual "technical content." I, also, had bought one of the Crosman 357 kits about 2 years ago after a bad experience with a R77. I could throw pellets faster than that R77 could shoot them. That R77 now enjoys a new life as an impressive paper weight on my desk.

After comparing the the S&W revolvers against the Crosman 357, I settled for the Crosman instead. (I guess my having owned a 38T some 20 years ago also swayed my decision.) However, for about 1/3 the price of the S&W, and the fact that I could choose from 2 barrel lengths made this a more flexible piece than the S&W. I could then put the extra dollars into air and ammo.

I too am a fan of longer barreled revolvers. (I shoot a 10 1/2" Ruger Super Blackhawk.) In which case, I immediately installed the 8" barrel to the 357. The barrel is easily installed by removing the hinge screw at the bottom of the front of the revolver. With the screw removed, the old barrel just falls out. The 8" barrel was then installed and the screw inserted and tightened.

I then took the pistol down to the club to sight it in. After 3 - 10 shot warmup targets to sight in the 357, I managed to get a smaller than dime sized 10 shot group using a double hand hold at 10meters. I was quite impressed with the results that I then drilled and tapped the barrel housing, and installed a #62 sight rail and a Leaper's Red Dot scope. Turning the pistol into air version of a ".22 hunter pistol." I then sighted the 357 from a bench rest and managed to produce a ragged 1 shot group at 10meters.

Although the 8" 357 is quite impressive, it is far from being a hunting piece. I still have to chronograph the 8" barrel to determine its actual mv. However, the 357 magazines provide enough depth that you can load it with high velocity Skenco pellets if you need a lot of penetration. (Skenco's does wonders on soup tins at 10meters.)

All in all I was quite impressed with the 8" 357 that I even bought a 6" model when they were on sale last Christmas and competed with it (out of the box) at a team match back in January. (But that's another story...)

Keep up with the great articles B.B. and take care!

E.S.

 
At February 05, 2006 9:18 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

E.S.,

Now THAT'S a comment, folks!

I enjoyed reading about your experiences with the 357. And your experiences with the Ruger. I once had an old model with a 10-inch barrel that shot like a dream. Why did I ever get rid of it? Not much recoil, though I did handload to less powerful loads, as well.

The Crosman 357 certainly has a lot going for it. Your group sizes prove that. I hope other readers who might be sitting on the fence read your report.

B.B.

 
At February 14, 2006 7:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have enjoyed reading your articles. I have been recently in the market for buying a powerful yet inexpensive pellet pistol. I have always been fond of the longer barreled revolvers, so the crosman 357 caught my eye. I do have a ruger .22 competition pistol with a 7 inch bull barrel mounted with a simmons scope. It weighs about 4lbs.+the scope and its a monster. Its super accurate but it is not the easiest thing for traveling with. I am looking for something lighter without spendin the money for a gamo or another 22. I hear from people the it has phenominal accuracy, but something i like about the gamo is that it has rubber grips and a metal trigger and hammer. Does anyone know if the Crosman has these features? I know the 357 has molded grips but are they rubber. And if cromans 357 hammer and trigger are not metal are they sturdy? So if anyone can answer these questions i'de appreciate it.

 
At February 14, 2006 8:04 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The standard Crosman grip is plastic, but then I don't know everything. So how about it 357 owners? Are they rugged? I think they are, but your opinion means more.

Also, I would look at the Drulov DU-10, if I were you. And don't overlook the S&W 586.

B.B.

 
At February 28, 2006 8:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

recently purchased a Crosman 357GW kit thru pyramid air(best prices out there) It is just as good as the one I had over 15 years ago.Crosman quality has not changed. Great gun for the money.
any Idea how I can get a 6" barrel,have been having a hard time locating one. I enjoy your reviews,nice to see another BIG KID out there who enjoys a good air gun.

 
At March 01, 2006 7:47 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

BIG KID,

I would look for the barrel you want on the classified ads sites. Go to this site:

http://www.airguninfo.com/

and you'll see three websites that have classified ads.

B.B.

 
At March 01, 2006 11:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have the 357 kit and it is great. With the 8" barrel it has the weight and heft of my real 357 Magnum revolver, along with a tad more velocity (than the 4" barrel). The only thing missing is the fierce kick of the real thing. It is accurate, even without the included red dot sight.

The plastic grips aren't the greatest and feel "floppy" and as though they may fall off, but they haven't yet and seem to be durable enough. The trigger and hammer are indeed metal, as is the barrel, but the rest of the gun is mostly plastic. The trigger pull in double action mode is fairly heavy, just like the real thing.

Keep the moving parts, along with the Powerlet, lightly lubed with silicone oil, and you should be just fine. There are not a whole lot of metal parts to get rusty.

I would buy this air revolver again in a heartbeat, although I am starting to favor my Airsoft 1911-style autoloader more and more. You can't beat those reusable plastic pellets and undamaged target boxes!

As far as that gentleman's 3,500 fps airgun - even if it were physically possible, you can't possibly get much in the way of accuracy once you go supersonic (above 1,100 fps). That is why most of those Olympic Match air rifles make do with a leisurely 500-700 fps. A 10-grain pellet at 3,500 fps would have as much muzzle energy as your typical local cop's 9mm pistol and more than a 38 Special. It thus seems unlikely.

TS

 
At March 06, 2006 7:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude! I no those S&W's look nice, but the kit of the Crosman is way better. I absolutely love the 8" barrel. Plus it's powerful. I'm a target shooter and It's pretty acurate. It even (with new CO2) Gives me a kick I really like this gun.

 
At March 09, 2006 8:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,
im that dude on the Crosman 2000 blog that wants to know how to post comments on tha Quest blog. My comp won't let me on.

 
At March 10, 2006 8:04 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I'm sorry, dude, but I do not understand what you are saying. You have posted fragmentary statements in two different places,

Compose a question with a complete sentence - subject and predicate - and post it in just one place and I'll try to answer it for you.

B.B.

 
At March 16, 2006 6:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B. I currently own a Remington Airgun rifle (730FPS or so). Now I want to experiment with air pistols. I have narrowed it down between the Gamo PT 80, and the Crosman 357W revolver. Which do you recommend?

I am looking for mainly plinking (cans/targers). I know that the Crosman has a 2" longer barrel, but how does that compare with the Gamo's? The Gamo is $25 more expensive, but I would be willing to pay it if the gun is worth it. What do you think, between the two?

 
At March 16, 2006 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^

BB to that above post, could you email me the answer instead? It would be more convienient for me. Thank you for your help. My email is clayb@vt.edu

 
At March 16, 2006 8:44 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Gamo vs. Crosman,

I have to choose the Crosman 357 over the PT 80. I believe it's more accurate and certainly more powerful.

B.B.

 
At March 16, 2006 10:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok thank you. I am just concerned with the price range. The Crosman is only $50 while the Gamo is near $70. Does the phrase "you get what you pay for" fall short hear?

You have heard good things about the Crosman, right?

 
At March 17, 2006 7:43 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Crosman vs Gamo,

If you read the comments on just this post I think you will see that the Crosman is highly regarded by owners.

B.B.

 
At March 18, 2006 5:25 AM, Blogger DR said...

I just purchased a Crosman 357GW kit with 4" and 8" barrel. I have no experience with co2 guns but

1) the pellet clip seems a little loose, but maybe its inherent in the design

2) I can't figure out how to easily mount the red dot scope. The instructions suggest that the scope is designed for other models.

Any suggestions?

Thanks, DR

 
At March 18, 2006 6:40 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

DR,

As I don't have a 357 here at present, I'll have to defer to other readers on the red dot mounting question. If we don't hear something by Monday evening, I will call Boris at Pyramyd Air and ask him.

As for the clip being loose, that's how the revolver's action is designed. In fact, I have several Colt and Ruger revolvers (actual firearms) that are designed the same way. The gun should lock up tight when the trigger is pulled.

B.B.

 
At March 18, 2006 12:34 PM, Blogger DR said...

BB,

I managed to mount the red dot via the mounting accessories (459MT) to the plastic sighting rail that is on top of the barrel - but this rail already has some play in it and the pressure of the mounting lugs will surely loosen it more. The base of the mounting lugs appears to be designed to grab a dovetail, but I've got it pinching the rectangular spaces between the siting rail and the barrel.

It just doesn't seem. Thanks, DR

 
At March 18, 2006 4:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB (or anyone), the only airgun I have used is a Remington pump .177 air rifle, so I have a question about the Crosman 357's CO2 cartidges. Are they supposed to be left in the gun when not in use? Wouldn't taking them out release the rest of the gas? Thank you.

 
At March 18, 2006 6:54 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Removing CO2 powerlets (that is the correct name for the 12-gram cartridge) will always release the rest of the gas. Only the AirSource 88-gram cartridge has a device (on some guns) with a valve that allows removal.

B.B.

 
At March 18, 2006 7:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So then with guns like the Crosman 357, it is ok the leave the cartidge inside the gun when not in use? Thank you.

 
At March 18, 2006 7:08 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The complete Crosman 357 owner's manual is on the Pyramyd Air website. In it, Crosman recommends NOT storing as powerlet in the 357 for a long time.

B.B.

 
At March 19, 2006 3:06 AM, Blogger Wild-Wild-West said...

Hi DR, BB,

I saw your post on the 357GW kit with refrence to the cylinder, and red dot. I have pursued the same path as you, and had posted my results on another of BB's blogs for the 1077. Its found over at:
http://pyramydair.com/blog/2006/02/crosman-1077-fun-pellet-gun.html

Firstly, with refrence to your inquiry to the cylinder; Yes it is a bit loose. (Actually, if you were to compare the Crosman's cylinder to that of, say my Super Blackhawk, is "a lot loose!" This is due to the single finger cylinder advance pawl in the Crosman 357 as opposed to the double fingers found in say a Ruger Blackhawk.

However, this loose cylinder does not have any affect on my 357's accuracy at all. The resaon being, that on advance the cylinder lines up perfectly, albeit not solidly, up to the barrel. On the other hand, if you look at the back of the barrel, you will also notice that the barrel entry is slightly stovepiped. This funnelling provides a guide for the pellet as it leaves the cylinder. So, even if the cylinder were not "perfectly aligned to the micrometer" the pellet will still travel a true course once guided into the barrel via the funnelled entrance into the barrel.

I am not sure whether or not you might have access to a firearm revoler, though. If you were to look at the rear of a revolver's barrel, you will also notice that there is a slight funneling in it as well. This is evident on both my Blackhawk, and Super Blackhawk. Therefore, even a real revolver has a margin of error.

Secondly, as for mounting a red dot to your barrel, the option that Crosman supplies is the 459MT kit. My experience with that kit is that it is a bit loose (ref: http://pyramydair.com/blog/2006/02/crosman-1077-fun-pellet-gun.html) In the end, I installed a proper Weaver scope rail on to the rib of my 8" barrel. However, the rib on my 8" barrel is pinned at both ends. (That's how it arrived from Crosman.) Thus the rib on my 8" barrel is rock solid, and once I had successfully tapped and mounted my Weaver rail, I installed a 7" tactical red dot to the barrel of my 357. I have been shooting this configuration for over a year now, and the scope is still rock solid.

On the other hand, if you are trying to mount the scope on to the 4" barrel, the rib on it is not pinned. Therefore the rib will move regardless of the mounts you use. If you are mechnically adept, you may find that the barrel can easily be extracted from the plastic barrel housing by removing the clip at the rear. Then the top rib of the barrel is eaily lifted out. At which point, the rib can be permanently fixed in place with some Marine epoxy. (Careful though. Marine epoxy is really tough stuff. If you mess up... Say put the rail in backwards... Then you're looking to buy a new barrel!)

I should also let you know, DR, that I do have the tools and some skills to work on my firearms, as such these skills migrate over to my airguns. If you have any hesitation at all about working on your 357 then please bring it to a qualified gunsmith!!! The first rule with any gun, be they firearms or airguns is to "be safe!" If you explain what you need to a profesional gunsmith, he should have no trouble at all in assisting you to achieve your goals.

I hope this helps you,

ES.

 
At April 18, 2006 8:53 PM, Anonymous CP said...

I would like to know the range on these guns andif there are any flashlights or lasersthat will fit the trigger. I would also know how long you should keep a powerlet in there at the maximum(days, weeks, months?)I would also like to know if there are any reliable, accurate pistols less than $110 without shipping?

 
At April 18, 2006 8:55 PM, Anonymous CP said...

I also forgot to include that I am looking for the pistols from 500 FPS to 900 FPS

 
At April 19, 2006 7:19 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

CP,

Are you reading my current posts? Because you have asked for something that does not exist. It isn't that you haven't found it yet - it simply does not exist.

Air pistols that get velocities about 500 f.p.s. are very rare and, by your criteria, expensive. The AR-6 pistol gets 900 f.p.s. with medium weight .22 pellets, but it costs over $500 and is as long as a carbine.

There is just NO way to get your requested velocity into a conveniently sized air pistol. And forget about the cost being low. You are pushing the envelope, and that always costs money.

B.B.

 
At April 19, 2006 9:59 PM, Anonymous Colt535 said...

with this revolver, can you take a double action and pull back the hammer and take your time like a single action. I would also like to know of any other cheap, reliable airpistols that will last for years to come. I would also like to ask the dude with the 3000 fps gun or anybody else if you can hook an air compressor up temporarily to a gun. Another question I have is that can somebody tell me what is wrong with my Gamo P-23. It leaks CO2 when I put in the cartridge.

 
At April 19, 2006 10:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have just purchased the 357 and I love it. Its the best gun I have had in years and probably will comtinue to be the best.And to the guy with the 3000 fps gun, what the hell are you shooting at with that thing.Do you actually take it hunting with you or something

M.G.

 
At April 20, 2006 6:05 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Colt535,

Take some time and read all the back popsts to this blog. A lot of what you ask is answered there. On your P23, for example, try a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil on the tip of the next CO2 powewrlet.

B.B.

 
At April 20, 2006 1:18 PM, Anonymous Colt535 said...

BB,

can you use remoil instead of pellgunoil. I cannot find any pellgunoil in Basspro, Dick`s sporting goods or wally world. I would also like to know a good pellet to use with this CO2 gun.

 
At April 20, 2006 2:28 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Colt 535,

Not RemOil - that's petroleum-based and will destroy your gun's seals. What you need is as pure a silicone oil as you can get. ATF will work, though Pellgunoil is available at Pyramyd for a whole lot less.

B.B.

 
At April 21, 2006 3:04 PM, Anonymous Colt535 said...

I found some pellgunoil and my gun still leaks CO2. what should I do. I am thinking about buying a new one(this crosman), but I would like to know if it is easier to get it fixed. I think the O - ring(CO2 seal) is loose. I have had only trouble from gamos. What do you think I should do.

 
At May 09, 2006 12:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not entirely true...I recently ordered a 357GW from this website and it came very quickly, and works wonderfully.

I have no complaints about Crosman or Pyramid Air, I think that was just one freak incident.

 
At May 09, 2006 1:04 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

COLT 535,

For some reason, I never saw your comment until today.

You need to send that P23 back and get a replacement.

B.B.

 
At May 14, 2006 11:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My question is simple, I am thinking of getting this gun, but am curiouse, can it kill a squirrel and a realistic range, rather than a fictional one? (point blanc in the back of the head) realistic being atleast a good 10 meters?

 
At May 15, 2006 9:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure about that one...I think with the 8" barrel it peaks at about 745fps.

I have the gun and have shot soup cans with it from that distance, the can only dents.

My other airgun (a rifle with 750fps) pierces at least two in a row. It could probably kill it, but when it comes to animals I think more penetration is better.

 
At May 15, 2006 9:57 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I believe the Crosman 357 tops out at the low 500s with the 8-inch barrel. It is way too underpowered for squirrels, as are most air pistols.

If you want to hunt squirrels with an air pistol, you need a Falcon or an AR-6.

B.B.

 
At May 15, 2006 3:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

can it kill birds??? and would any of these contribute to a fatality on a squirrel
-head/chest/good shot area
-closer ranges
-multiple shots
-combonation of any of the listed?

 
At May 15, 2006 7:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would not recommend the 357 CO2 pistol for hunting. I would get a more powerful air RIFLE.

B.B.

 
At May 24, 2006 9:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oki doky, i just got my 357 kit, and its not all that strong, i no i no its not supposed to be, but, is there anything i can do to up the power such as up the air output or sumthin? o ya is the red dot sight accurate, i cant get it to shoot in correlation to my gun accurately.. any tips on setting it up?! thx

 
At May 25, 2006 7:14 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

To boost the 357's power requires an extensive knowledge of CO2 guns. The valve needs modifying and the hammer has to be strengthened. This is not a cost-effective move.

Sight in the red dot at 10 feet. You want the pellet to strike as far below the aim point as the height of the dot is above the bore. At 10 yards you should be an inch below the aim point and can adjust it with the red dot adjustments from there.

B.B.

 
At June 16, 2006 4:04 PM, Blogger ttocs84 said...

I purchased the 357 kit about a year ago and have been pleased for the most part with it. my only complaint is with the trigger return spring. about every 100 rounds i have to dissassemble the gun completely and reset the spring onto its perch, and then reasemble. it works again for about another 100 rounds give or take! Has anyone else had this problem? I have not contacted crossman about this issue, as i am capable of repairing it myself, and i will probably end up using some jbweld to hold it in place next time i go into it. Just curious if anyone else has fixed this problem. Other than that the crossman is a fine pistol, i feel that the grips are a bit large but they still look decent. Power is great on a new cartridge, i have put several rounds through thin steel and aluminum plating, as well as plywood. if you really need more power than what this can provide, look into purchasing a rifle.

 
At June 18, 2006 3:20 PM, Blogger micahdakang said...

B.B. or anyone who knows,

I understand that Co2 powerlets are not to be left in for a long time with this gun. But, I would like to know, what is a "long time" Thanks for the help!

 
At June 19, 2006 8:31 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

micahdakang,

The wording of the warning is intentionaly vague. What Crosman is really saying is that if you don't intend shooting your gun again, take the CO2 out.

Leaving the gas in the gun probably doesn't damage it, as there are hundreds of cases in which gas has remained in guns for many years with no harm. I have several guns that have held gas for more than a year, and I have one that's been charged for at least 6 years. I once bought a gun that had been left charged for 20 years and it was still holding.

Having gas in the gun is the same as having a loaded firearm, because the gas, alone, is what shoots the pellet. So this is a dangerous situation around someone who might be careless while handling the gun. I believe that is the real issue, here.

B.B.

 
At June 21, 2006 12:43 AM, Blogger desertgirl said...

I read that the 357GW will accept scopes/sights with a standard 3/8 dovetail mount. I'd like to get a scope for this gun, but I'm new to guns and am not sure what will actually fit on this pistol as opposed to a rifle. I basically want it to improve my vison. Also what is the difference between a "red dot" and a "laser" sight?

 
At June 21, 2006 10:24 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

desertgirl,

Have you used the search feature on the main page of the blog? It will list all the blogs in which there are mentions of the things you are interested in, and there are direct links to them.

Just to get you started, a laser projects a thin beam of light, like a flashlight. A red dot shines a dot of light on a window INSIDE the scope. Only the shooter sees it, but it aligns with the target when it's sighted in. Red dots are easier to use than scopes on pistols.

Stick with me and I will answer your questions, but try that search function first.

B.B.

 
At June 23, 2006 5:32 PM, Anonymous thestone46@yahoo.com said...

I got this gun and right out of the box the 8" was "Dead ON" at 10 m. that's with a "Cold barrel".. the 4" with the "RED DOT", after "sighting in" was just as good! Although I do not see why you would need a "Red Dot" at 10m.. This is really a Plastic "Toy" gun that shoots well! Another positive side.. it's a real gas miser!!!! I fired 60 rounds and she was still "throwing them up there like "Randy Johnson"!!! If you need an ego booster, put aside the plastic.. and get this gun!
Looks cheap.. works good!!!!

 
At June 27, 2006 8:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I have just ordered my .357GW Kit, and it should be here in about 3 days. I was wandering if there is a good right hand hip holster that is not very expensive that would fit the 8 inch barrel, and would it also fit the 4 inch barrel?

K.F.

 
At June 28, 2006 7:45 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

K.F.

You'll have to buy a real holster, because Crosman no longer makes one for this gun.

Any holster that will hold your 8-inch gun will also hold a 4-incher, but it will have extra room. The only way around that is to buy one that's open on the muzzle end and that defeats the purpose of the holster.

I would shop the sporting goods catalog sites, looking for a Colt Python holster for an 8-inch barrel.

B.B.

 
At June 28, 2006 10:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I can't find any 8-inch colt python holsters for the right hand. Can you help me out?

K.F.

 
At June 28, 2006 10:41 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

K.F.

Midway has this one listed at under $30:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=874983

They have three others but they cost over $70 and that's a little much.

B.B.

 
At June 30, 2006 8:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've posted a comment last Feb. 14. I've purchased the 6in model and am very pleased. It shoots perfectly, It's great for bird and rabbit hunting, and holds Co2 for months. I also purchased and mounted a tasco red dot since i'm not that used to iron sights. While I was sighting in the red dot I discovered the vent rib rail was shaky. My questios are: Will this break off or damage the rail? and How much money is a replacement 6 or 8inch barrel and where could i find them? Thank you

 
At July 09, 2006 6:25 PM, Blogger SuperGMman said...

Dear BB,

Have you used this gun yourself? I was wondering because it seems as if users have ranked the accuracy and velocity at which this gun shoots as above average/great. Just a little reassurance for me before I buy a airgun.

Thanks,

SuperGMman.

 
At July 09, 2006 6:31 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

SuperGMan,

Yes, I've used it. It is as good as people say. Some folks are having troubles mounting scopes and dot sights, but I usually don't do that. I shoot pistols as they come.

B.B.

 
At July 13, 2006 1:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bought a Crosman 357 and it shot fine the first time I used it. I had to tighten the powerlet more than I thought I should even though I used Crosman's suggested procedure - 1/4 turn at a time. After that it would always leak. I called Crosman and they had me clean the seal, which helped, but it still leaked inside the gun. They did mention that sometimes metal shavings aren't completely cleaned out in a new gun and it has to be sent to the factory to fix it.

I bought my 357 locally so I exchanged it for a Gamo PT-80 instead of shipping it to Crosman to have them fix it. I haven't tried the PT-80 yet but am anxious to because of B.B.'s PT-80 review.

Eventually I might pick up the 357 again but will probably get the kit from Pyramyd since it comes with the 8" barrel.

DLB

 
At July 26, 2006 2:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was going to buy a Crosman 357 Shooters Kit.. But last night I was scanning the web and I had a look at the R77. The one with the 6" Barell and Walnut Grips. I know you don't approve of it but it looked AMAZING. I love the swing out clyinder and the walnut grips. It just looks like its straight from a dirty harry movie. OK it shoots at 410 fps & the crosman can fire at 475 fps but is that much of a sacrifice for a beautiful gun. Also the R77 Gets more shots per CO2 Canister. I'm stuck... I dont know witch one choose!! Please Help

 
At July 26, 2006 8:07 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

R77 lover,

Whenever I can make a case for buying something the way you just did, my decision is already made. Get the R77.

B.B.

 
At July 28, 2006 7:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there any site that has both the 357 6w and spare clips? I cant buy any spare clip on this site.

Can I use other pellet type on this model other than wadcutter(like hollow head)?

I e-mail pyramydair serveral times, but they just didn't respond.

 
At July 28, 2006 11:08 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

357 guy,

You can buy spare clips directly from Crosman.

www.crosman.com

The only thing that limits the pellets you can use in your pistol is their length. If they are too long, they will stick out of the clip and the gun won't close. The shape of the pellet can be anything you want.

B.B.

 
At July 29, 2006 12:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

Thanks for your opinion about the pellet.

I tried the crosman site, I just could not find the "BUY" button to puchase it.

I personally prefer the 6' barrel. Otherwise I would have got the kit instead.

And which pellet fit this gun better? Can I choose some heavy weight pellets?

 
At July 29, 2006 1:04 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Well, I would expect Crosman pellets (except real Premiers that come in the cardboard box) will fit the best. But fit and accuracy are not always the same, so try many different kinds.

You can shoot heavy pellets as long as they are not too long for the circular clip. I's think 10.6-grain Kodiaks are going to be the limit.

B.Bd

 
At July 31, 2006 11:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.
Thanks for everything.

I just found a new site, "thegunsouece.com". The guns there are at least $10 cheaper...
( just let you know...)

But anyway, I will buy it here because this site is reliable....

 
At August 08, 2006 12:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey b.b. pelletier,

how should cleaning the barrel be performed?

and what kind of oil should i use for C02 cartridges? and how often should i apply?

 
At August 09, 2006 7:17 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

There is no need to ever clean the barrel. Use Crosman Pellgunoil on the tip of each new powerlet.

B.B.

 
At August 12, 2006 11:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey..
I was going to buy a Crosman 357 Kit from Pyramidair... Until I found I haad to pay and EXTRA £50!!
Was this a misprint b.b or are they Conning us all. Also.. I have noticed that some websites advertiste the Crosman 357GW kit... I this the same as the crosman 357 Kit??

 
At August 12, 2006 11:21 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I have referred this complaint to Pyramyd Air.

B.B.

 
At August 21, 2006 3:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ps the only time you need to clean a co2 gun is if you shot it a lot and then just left it for a year if you do that co2 crap gets up in the barral and stuff or if you dry fired out say 40 shots of co2 when you where done now i know my case was rare but if you leave it a long time i would say run a swab or brush down the barral a few times

 
At August 24, 2006 3:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi well i dont have mine yet but i,m waiting for it to come i,m super stoked cant wait much longer
ps who ever it was who said that they could not find the clips on crosman they wer right i could not get them ether could you tell me where else i could get them thanks a lot love your blog keep it up

SF airgunner

 
At August 24, 2006 7:16 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Pyramyd Air should have the clips.

B.B.

 
At August 26, 2006 11:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The crosman model 357 silver series-8 which I ordered from an outlet in Wisconsin in the 1980's I believe, no longer holds air for 4 months and the barrel latch button finally gave out( I repaired it with some sort of glue but it just came apart. I really like the revolver, at the time the made it with a brass
barrel that easily slides in and out of the main barell enclosure. It is the eight inch version and all the parts is metal except the barrel latch button and I think what they call the cylinder plate part inside, and of course the rear sights and the grips. It was about 68.00 bucks at the time. Of course I'm getting a new version now. It was advertised at 475 fps, which seems to be a little less than my 1377c at full power.

 
At September 06, 2006 8:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been shooting thisi model with open sight for a long time. I am trying to switch to red dot. But the red dot is always above the target about one inch. When I tried to aim higher, I could not see the atrget clearly through the scope. Can someone teach me how to shoot with a red dot sight???

I am trying to put a red dot on my hipa 5.1. But I could only find the scope mount on some Hong Kong airsoft websites. Is there any site in US sells this item????

 
At September 07, 2006 6:12 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I am taking for granted that you have used all the adjustment your dot sight has and you still have the problem?

You can shim the front of the mount by sliding a thin piece of material like photographic film under the base before tightening it down. That will lower the strike of the round to coincide with the dot.

B.B.

 
At October 02, 2006 2:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i bought a 357 10 shot revolver took it home placed a co2 cartrige in it shot it no more than 20 times and then the next time i went 2 use it i placed the co2 cartrage in the gun it leaked and the co2 was empty in like 10 seconds. and the problem keeps happening ive wasted like 10 co2 cartrages i get like 2 shots off the who co2. whats wrong>? what do i need to do to fix it?

 
At October 02, 2006 2:55 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

You need to return that gun to the dealer. It has a failed seal, possibly an O-ring. Such failures are not common in new guns, and you deserve a replacement.

B.B.

 
At November 07, 2006 1:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B,
myself ive owned a crossman 2100 and my father a 760. we do small game hunting with such things. i dought the 357 would penetrate an animal, but we need a small airpistol for a boyscout group practice. is this gun sutible for minors?
also, where can i get a 357 in a store rather than online for just the gun, not the kit?
thanks
steamingspud

 
At November 07, 2006 3:48 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

steamingspud,

Wally World used to carry the 357 but I don't think they do any more. Perhaps a Cabelas or Bass Pro Shop.

B.B.

 
At November 10, 2006 10:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i just relized a random fact...the 357 is not shown to have only the clip revolve and not the whole revolving cylinder, yet there is no part in the instructions that mentions that such a difference occurs. is this a show of low quality against a s$w??
steamingspud

 
At November 11, 2006 6:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bought the gun kit 2 weeks ago...had to return it because of defective paint finish on the 8" barrel. A week later, the replacement gun kit arrived...it also had the same defective paint finish on the 8" barrel. Not only that, the 8" attachment was missing the inner rifled steel barrel! Had enough, so I got a refund. Anybody else have similar experiences? By the way, the defective paint finish was always on the right side of the 8" attachment where it comes in contact with the foam of the gun case. Such a shame...nice gun, nice price, but too much problems to deal with.

 
At November 11, 2006 7:23 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

steamingspud,

I'm not sure I understand your comment. The 357 manual certainly does show how the clip works with the gun, and it is clearly not the entire cylinder. Why would that be "low quality?"

This gun sells for a fraction of the price of the S&W 586. I think they do pretty well with the price point they have to work with.

B.B.

 
At November 14, 2006 12:05 AM, Blogger Fanta said...

this pellet gun sucks.
the wheel does not rotate.
no pep.
just a pos.

 
At November 30, 2006 1:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

one question for B.B.
I have both 357w (6') and 1077 rifle. 357w has a V of 435 fps, and 1077 has 625 fps.

How come my 1077 is weaker than the 357w?? I used same pellets and same co2 cartridges on both....something wrong with my 1077????

 
At November 30, 2006 1:33 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

How do you reckon your 1077 is weaker when it shoots 190 f.p.s. faster?

B.B.

 
At November 30, 2006 8:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am thinking about getting this gun and was wondering how loud it is. I dont live in the country or anything and was wondering if it is loud.

 
At November 30, 2006 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey im new to the pellet gun thing. how do you load the co2 into this gun

 
At December 01, 2006 6:16 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The 357 is a typical CO2 pistol. Pyramyd Air rates it as a 3 for loudness. That's about the same as a breakbarrel spring air rifle.

It's about as loud as a loud hand clap.

B.B.

 
At December 01, 2006 6:16 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The grips come off and the powerlet goes inside.

B.B.

 
At December 03, 2006 5:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does single and double action trigger do?

 
At December 04, 2006 6:08 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

To find posts dealing with these topics all you have to do is go to the the current blog page and type your question into the "Search" window.

I did that and here is an entire post on the subject.

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/04/what-do-single-action-and-double.html

B.B.

 
At December 05, 2006 1:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I fired them towards a hard subject using RWS superpoint 8.2gr pellts at the same condition. The 357 made more damadge on the surfacc and the shape of the pellet chenged more...

The sound(s) when the pellets impacted the furface are also different. 357 claerly made more noise whenever it fired or when the pellet hit the surface.

Then I used hard papers to indicate the power(s). Pellets from 357w clearly penatranted more layers of papers than the ones from from 1077....

so, for now, I have to use those 5.0gr round pellets on my 1077 to archieve the V and accuracy in long distance....

If all the 1077s are like this, I have nothing to say. But if it is only happening on this gun, I will get a new one. less than $40 in k-mart....

 
At December 05, 2006 6:39 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Your 1077 sounds weak. There is no way a good 1077 will be less powerful than a 357.

B.B.

 
At December 21, 2006 4:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a Crosman 357 with a 6 inch barrel. I talked my mom into buying it for me on my twelfth birthday while we were at Walmart. My first air gun! That was eleven years ago.
I would make a bullet trap with magazines inside a pizza box and duct tape it shut and sharpie a bullseye and shoot in the basement on rainy afternoons. And it's seen lots of cans too. PLEASE DONT hunt with this pistol. I never have. It isn't humane. Use something with more power. 800fps+ .22LR (28gr+) is a minimum for me.
The pistol has easily seen 20,000 pellets (and bbs) through it now. GREAT PISTOL. My barrel latch wore out 6 months ago but I will have it fixed soon. It's just way too much fun to let sit broken any longer, and I have a whole "arsenal" of firearms to choose from now.
It's a great first (or 20th) air pistol that will hopefully someday be my sons first air pistol. Definitely a BEST BUY!

 
At December 21, 2006 5:05 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Great first airgun story!

Thanks,

B.B.

 
At December 23, 2006 4:20 PM, Anonymous Phil said...

First off, I'd like to thank you for taking the time to provide more information on airguns than I ever dreamed existed!
The crosman .357 was the third airgun I ever bought, at the age of 16 and after years of hard use,and I admit, abuse, it's still amoung my favorites. Thousands of bbs and pellets later, it still does the job, my only two problams with it being a faulty latch I'm currantly replaceing and the front sight has been worn down from hundreds of draws from an uncle mikes holster.

 
At April 20, 2007 1:19 PM, Anonymous Rabbitt said...

I bought the Crosman 357 with 6” barrel. in January 2007. Some may find it hard to believe but this was my first air gun. I am in my mid-50’s and have never shot a pistol until a friend brought his Crosman over. I really like this gun. It handles great. It feels good in my hand. Accurate enough for me to keep the shots in the middle of the target. I normally get 70 to 80 shots out of each C02. I bought 3 extra clips and that is worth the money to be able to shoot 50 shots before having to reload a clip. . I love the way it is adjustable for both windage and elevation. There are so many that don’t even have windage adjustment.. It is a great value for the money.
As a side note. My son-in-law didn’t understand my enthusiasm for the pistol until he took me out to shoot his “real” 357. After seeing me group the shots instead of spraying them all around the target as he expected, knowing I had never shot a “real” gun before, he began to understand. After coming over to the house and shooting the Crosman and seeing the 13 year old grandson also shoot it he then understood. The gun is a great one for beginners, allows for proper gun safety teaching and practice away from a noisy firing line. Impressing your son-in-law is always a good thing.
By the way. He went and bought a Crosman 357 the next day for him and his son to practice with. I believe they went through 750 pellets the first week! I believe he may be converted to “Air guns are good fun” now.

 
At April 24, 2007 11:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bought one of these when they first came out, waaay back in the early 80's. My first air gun. I was a kid and thought I was Dirty Harry with this thing, even if it wasn't a .44

It had 'wooden' grips, without the finger molds like the latest one. Also its a 6 shot, not 10 like the latest one.

I put it away for many years, and just recently dug it out and tried it again, only to find the CO2 leaked out of the seal so fast it made icicles. I've tried oiling the seal, but it still leaks.

Is there any way to get a replacement seal, or is this thing just trash now? Its otherwise in perfect condition, I'd hate to see it end up as landfill.

 
At April 24, 2007 11:57 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I would send it to this guy:

Rick Willnecker Contact him at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481.

B.B.

 
At May 07, 2007 7:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where can I buy the 8" barrel seperate from the 3576W gun and would it work with that? Also, where can I get a diagram and parts-list for the 3576W?

 
At May 08, 2007 7:42 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Since Crosman no longer offers separate barrels you'll have to find a used one or some dealer with old unsold stock.

B.B.

 
At May 28, 2007 5:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I have a crosman 357. For this particular gun, what type of pellet would you suggest I use for the fastest and hardest shot, and where might I get them. I don't want to lose any accuracey either.

Doc

 
At May 29, 2007 7:22 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Doc,

There are many pellets you can shoot. No single pellet will excel in your gun, but Gamo Match wadcutters will be good. They are sold everywhere, including Wal-Mart.

B.B.

 
At June 24, 2007 10:03 PM, Blogger ernest d said...

The latch of my Crosman 357 does not work. It limps and does not engage with the barrel. It seems that the spring is gone though I never observed that it has one. Your advise on this please. Thanks

 
At June 25, 2007 8:05 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Ernest,

These guns are made of plastic and eventually wear out. Have you contacted Crosman, to see what they recommend?

B.B.

 
At June 25, 2007 8:06 PM, Blogger ernest d said...

I bought the 357 in a shopping mall here in the Philippines a year ago and seldom was this used. So the problem could not be as a result of uage. I suspect that the latch spring might have been broken. Do you have a 357 with you? Could you please check the kind of spring the latch has and where it is connected? How do I get in touched with Crosman? Thanks a lot.

 
At June 26, 2007 8:44 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Ernest,

It does sound like you have a broken part and not one that's worn out. I don't have a 357 here to check.

You will have to contact Crosman by email.

www.corsman.com

B.B.

 
At August 26, 2007 6:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Crosman 357 4, 6, and 8--3578T(accur-eight) has a small block of hard rubber or neoprene underneath the barrel latch. This forces the barrel latch upwards, thus acting as the spring. This block perishes over time. A replacement can be carved from a sheet of similar material, using a craft knife. I can supply the dimensions if needed. These are excellent pistols, I have been collecting and using them for almost two decades. A.J.-New Zealand

 
At August 26, 2007 7:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think I should mention that if you are contemplating removing the Receiver(frame) cover plate screws, you MUST remove the full or partially empty Co2 cylinder from the weapon FIRST! A.J.

 
At August 27, 2007 6:50 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

A.J.,

Yes, I think our readers would like those dimensions. This post is 19 months old, yet it still attracts traffic, as you can see.

B.B.

 
At August 29, 2007 11:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

The barrel latch spring dimensions referred to in my previous post are:
7/32 in. wide x 11/64 in. high (or 3/16 in. for a tighter spring) x 7/16 in. long. The top inside face can be chamfered to make insertion easier. This spring (part no. 357-021) is placed between the cylinder plate (357-035) and the barrel latch (357-020), and can be viewed in the 357 evp2 diagram in the pistol manual section under customer service, at the Crosman website. My field repair for this is usually a chunk of rubber carved from a discarded 4x4 tyre tread.

When I'm faced with a CO2 leak, I remove the powerlet and the frame side cover, spray all the internals with silicon based lubricant, fit an old side cover with access holes drilled so I can see the transfer tube connection points and valve body ends. Then I fit an empty powelet that has been drilled through in a convenient place, and has a valve fitted. 20 to 50 p.s.i. of air goes in, the gun is submerged in water, and any air leaks are usually visible.
The previous silicon spray helps when drying the gun out with compessed air.

A safe temporary repair for leaks is to dismantle the relevant area and rub some silicone rubber gasket sealant into the seal. This works 99.9% of the time for me. The other .1% involves buying new seals and fitting them - when you live on a South Pacific Island you learn to make do with whatever you can get your hands on!
I hope this information will help Ernest, and anyone else with Crosman 357 problems.

As an aside, does anyone know how many p.s.i. of CO2 is in a new powerlet?

Regards,
A.J.

 
At August 30, 2007 5:41 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

A.J.,

Thanks for all those details. I'm sure our handier readers will uise them.

A fresh powerlet has 853 psi at 70 degrees F. As the gas is used, the liquid evaporates and replaces it, so the pressure remains constant. When the last liquid is gone, the pressure starts dropping fast.

B.B.

 
At October 11, 2007 9:34 AM, Blogger Xuzak said...

I've been looking at getting a new CO2 powered pistol for some time now as my old one (Crosman 1088) has been giving me problems. I finally decided on the 357 after reading this blog among other things. I also read some good reviews on the reviewcentre site as well.

I ordered one last night from The Gun Source because Pyramyd Air was out of stock and I did not want to wait any longer. I live in the country and use it for various critters...mostly to scare them off, but occasionally to kill them. Things like snakes, etc.

I'm sure I will figure it out when I finally received the gun in the mail, but are the sites adjustable like on my old 1088?


Thanks in advance for the info and I look forward to giving more comments once I finally receive my gun and start using it.

 
At October 11, 2007 9:41 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Xuzak,

Yes the sights are adjustable. All the specifications are listed with the revolver on this website. Look at the left column and click on Specifications.

B.B.

 
At October 11, 2007 10:41 AM, Blogger Xuzak said...

I was also wondering if it is still possible to get the eight inch barrel for the gun and use it in place of the six inch??

 
At October 11, 2007 1:41 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Xuzak,

It appears that the 8-inch barrel is gone. You might find one somewhere on the internet, but it doesn't seem to be made anymore.

B.B.

 
At November 01, 2007 10:31 AM, Blogger Xuzak said...

It's a shame about the 8 inch barrel not being available anymore and I haven't been able to find one anywhere.

I did receive my crosman 357 via Fedex about two weeks ago now. I had some trouble sighting it in cos when I first got it the wind blew so hard for about a week it was useless to seriously try.

When I finally had relatively wind free day I set out to adjust the sights and had more trouble. It seems that there is a spot on the sight adjustment for up and down where the windage adjustment is loose. It took awhile to figure this out, but finally I adjusted the up and down where it was screwed down completely so the windage adjustment was tight as well. I made the windage adjustment, then a slight adjust on the heighth and it seems to be working remarkably. I will undoubtedly tweak it a little more in the weeks to come, but I am very satisfied with it.

Now..I suppose I can order parts for my old 1088 so I can try to refurbish it. What do you think?

Thanks for info and help.

Jack

 
At December 22, 2007 1:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've had my 357 since about 1984, but it did sit in a closet for about 15 years, so probably only has 1500 shots thru it.

I had the barrel latch spring problem, and fixed it with a carved piece of old tire...now it has a failed cartridge seal, not too bad after 23 years! Maybe I should get new seals, but I always thought the gun was cheap and not really satisfying to shoot, so I ordered an S&W 586-8 yesterday!

I did always leave the cartridge in, as I needed instant availability for garden pests. I used to get 1.5 inch groups at 15 yds from a bench, hope the S&W will do somewhat better.

Jay

 
At December 22, 2007 2:02 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jay,

I think you will be really pleased with your new S&W! As far as accuracy goes, I think you'll cut those groups in half, at least.

B.B.

 
At January 03, 2008 3:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone killed a squriel with a 357?

 
At January 24, 2008 5:15 PM, Blogger Jack Bauer said...

Squirrel,

My friend has killed a squirrel with a Crosman 357, but it had a slow death over about one week. I DO NOT recommend doing this for this is cruel and inhumane!

Safe shooting,
Jack

 
At January 24, 2008 5:23 PM, Blogger Jack Bauer said...

Hey B.B.,

I am not sure where on this blog I found this, but I remember one time that you said ALL CO2 air guns have a velocity decrease in double action vs. single action, and you said there might be one or two that you missed, well here that one is. I have done extensive testing on my Crosman 357 and even on a 32 degree F. day I will get about 400-430 on double action and about 420-430 on single action for the first 30 or so shots, consistently. Of course, every now and then the double action went slower than the single action (average) at times, however the single action, sometimes, went slower than the double action. I would say that single action has a tighter deviation spread in my gun, but the double action appears to be the same. Good job Crosman! Testing was done with a Chrony F-1 Chronograph at the muzzle. Thanks for your contribution to this blog, I appreciate it!

Jack

 
At January 24, 2008 5:31 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jack,

That proves the adage, "Never say always. Always say sometimes."

B.B.

 
At February 19, 2008 10:48 PM, Blogger Rob said...

I got my Crosman .357 from a guy who bought it in 1987, as old as it is it still shoots perfectly even through the grip is a little loose, I can even do a head shot on a sparrow at about 15 feet with it, it is the most PERFECT pellet gun you could ever get.

Rob

 
At March 21, 2008 1:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how does this compare to the Crossman 1377c? I am contemplating on purchasing one of the two but cannot decide which one to get. This will be my first air pistol. Any tips are greatly appreciated.

-Mason

 
At March 21, 2008 5:27 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

-Mason,

The 357 is a CO2 gun, so its power depends on the pressure of the gas. CO2 maintains constant pressure at a given temperature, but is not useful at or below 50 degrees F. So it's more of a warm-weather gun, only.

The 1377c is a multi-pump pneumatic, so the shooter controls the power by the number of pumps he puts in the gun. Air doesn't change pressure as readily with temperature changes, so this kind of gun can be used in very cold weather. This model is also considerably more powerful than the 357.

The 357 is a repeater, giving fast repeat shots. The 1377 is a pump gun, giving one powerful shot at a time.

B.B.

 
At March 23, 2008 4:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

Thanks for the detailed follow up, actually I've been reading and reading up on both guns for quite a while. As far as durability goes, which of the two come out on top? Would you recommend one over the other? I live in a fairly warm area so the CO2 issue shouldn't be a problem. Thanks again. You're a great help.

-Mason

 
At March 23, 2008 9:00 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The 1377 will definitely be the more durable because it isn't a repeater. You can leave one pump of air in the gun at all times, which should make it last for at least 20 years, if not twice that.

My Sheridan Blue Streak is now 30 years old and it still works perfectly.

B.B.

 
At April 01, 2008 8:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.
i am currently debating between the crosman 357w and the walther redstorm. they are both inexpensive, but i was concerned about accuracy.

which is more accurate?

thanks

joe

 
At April 02, 2008 6:48 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Joe,

I haven't test them for accuracy, but my gut feeling is the 357 is more accurate.

B.B.

 
At April 29, 2008 9:37 PM, Anonymous Dirt Cougar Melomcamp said...

I love the Crossman 3576W but, HELP!! The triger spring popped out of place and I cannot figgure ou hoe to get it in correctly. I only get single action unless I push the trigger forward into place. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong.

 
At April 30, 2008 9:25 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Dirt,

If the return spring popped out, it should po back in. Look for anchoring teats on the back of the trigger and the frame. If you find one, it points to the other. If anyone doesn't help you here,

Call Crosman customer service.

www.crosman.com

B.B.

 
At October 13, 2008 5:57 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

How would you compare this gun to the Gamo Wheel Gun?

Just curious because I have one, the R-77 Classic with the 6" barrel & wood grips & I love it!
(Not as much as my 586-6, but still a great gun!)

In fact, I like it so much, that I auctually got the Pachmayr style rubber grips & put wood grips away in safe storage.


- The BBA -

 
At October 13, 2008 9:15 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

The Crosman will feel more toylike than the R77. The R77 is a weaker gun, but the 6-inch version is the most powerful of the three versions.

The Crosman should shoot better than the Gamo for several reasons. The Gamo distorts the pellet in the cylinder and the cylinder moves when the gun is fired.

B./B.

 
At October 20, 2008 3:16 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

I have noticed both of those things with the Gamo, & while granted I haven't shot the Gamo in quite a while, I DO remember it being pretty accurate.

Maybe I just got lucky?

I don't have the Crosman, but I do have the 586-6 along with my Gamo R77 with the 6" barrel, & since they both have 6" barrels, maybe I'll have to compare the accuracy between the Gamo & the 586-6

I'll post my results later, although I'm sure YOU probably already know what they'll be. ;)

Unfortunately, I don't have any CPH or R-10s in stock right now, so the best pellets I DO have to test with, are the RWS Hobby, Beeman Kodiack EH, Diabolo Exact Heavy, & CPL (7.9 gr) pellets that I can try.

Any of those in particular you'd like to see tested?



- The BBA -

 
At October 20, 2008 5:52 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

I expect the Hobbys and the CPLs to be the best.

B.B,

 
At October 21, 2008 3:06 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

With both guns shooting around 400fps give or take, those were my first choice since I don't have any R-10s.

I'll try those & we'll see what happens.

The 586-6 is a little more powerful, & being a considerably more expensive gun, I'd hope it would be more accurate, but from what I remember, the Gamo was the more accurate one, but I'll find out for sure & post my results.

If my memory is right on that, then the expense is in the all metal & sturdy design.

Even if the Crosman & Gamo ARE more accurate, the 586-6 is still a great gun. It's the most realistic 357 replica I've seen & felt so far.

Now that my curiosity has been peaked on this, I wish I had a Crosman to test too, but I'll test my Gamo & 586-6 for accuracy with both those pellets, & we'll see what happens.

I'll be back with my results in the next couple of days.


Thanks for the input.


- The BBA -

 
At October 25, 2008 2:45 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

OK, the results are in!

I tried both the RWS Hobby & the CP 7.9 gr in my Gamo R77 6" & my S&W/Umarex 586-6 & guess what...

It's too close to call, right down to the pellets too!

Both guns consistently shot groups of 1/2" rested at 12' & surprisingly to me... the CPs did as well as the Hobbys!

I shot two targets with each pellet & each gun, for a total of four targets per gun, & the results were pretty much identical.

The best group WAS shot with the Gamo, but not by much. An 1/8" better if that.
Maybe I just got lucky & got one of the really good R77s.

I really thought the 586-6 would shoot a little tighter than the Gamo, but it didn't.

Both guns shot surprisingly well though.

I think the only way to REALLY test them, would be to use some high quality 10 meter match pellets, like the RWS R-10s or maybe the RWS Meisterkugeln Pistol 7.0 gr pellets & maybe shoot a little farther away.

I usually try to test pistols of that type at 15 to 25 feet with open sights, but at the time, I only had 12 feet available.

BTW... What do you think is the right distance to test those types of pistols? 15, 20, 25 feet?

Other pistols like the 78G, MK1, SSP2250, ect., I would go 25 to 50 feet with open sights.

FYI... I'll be picking both of those pellets up in my next order with PA, so if I see a difference, I'll post it up.


Anyhow, there ya have it.

I will add that neither of these guns had more than 100 pellets through them yet, so if breaking them in would make much of a difference, keep that in mind.

P.S. If anyone wants me to test velocity, let me know & I'll break out the chrony.


- TheBBA -

 
At October 25, 2008 5:11 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

12 feet isn't enough distance to make a good accuracy evaluation. Back it up as far as you can - to at least 30 feet and try again. You should see a difference there.

B.B.

 
At October 26, 2008 2:28 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

I had a feeling you'd say that.
That's why I asked what distance YOU thought I should test them at.

It was at night time so I had to do it in the garage, which is a little cluttered right now.

I also forgot to metion that those targets were shot standing up & only semi rested.
Not sitting down with a full solid rest, so I'd bet at that distance & probably even 15' that they're capable of 3/8"

I'll wait until my days off & try it agin outside, but this time I'll go for a 10 meter test, with ten meter pistol targets & a better rested position, & then post my results on THAT. ;)


Thanks for the input,

- The BBA -

 
At November 20, 2008 10:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey guys, i have a quick question. can the gamo round balls (or any other type) be shot in the 357? or, before that, can the round ball fit in the magazine? i guess i'll also ask if the round ball can be compatible with the 1088. ok, thanks.

 
At November 21, 2008 6:30 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Generally speaking, the round balls are not meant for guns having cylindrical magazines.

B.B.

 
At November 22, 2008 12:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, all right, thanks for the help.

 
At December 12, 2008 5:30 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

Well B.B.

So HERE IT IS... I tested the Gamo R-77 6" Wheel Gun against the S&W 686-6 again, & this time it was at 30 feet & as expected, the 686 DID do better than the Gamo.

With a full rest using CP 7.9gr I was able to get groups of 1/2 to a little wider with the Gamo, & 3/8 to 1/2 with the 686-6.

In my humble opinion, I think that's pretty good from BOTH guns.
Now I'd just like to see what they can do at 50 & 100 feet.

It was getting cold out & velocities were dropping, so I had to stop. But when the temperature goes back up in a couple of months, I'd really like to see what these two six shooters can do at a distance. Especially the 686-6.

I have no doubt that both of them will shoot under 1" at 50 feet all day long (with the 686-6 closer to 1/2"), & that soda & beer cans wouldn't stand a chance from either of them at 100 feet, with a skilled shooter behind them.

I'm also thinking that with the 686-8" (instead of the 6") with a hot valve from Mac-1 & a nice pistol scope, & some RWS R-10 match pellets, you could have a LOT of fun with it.

In summary, my conclusion is that I still think the Gamo wheel gun is a great value for the money, but the S&W 686 series really shines, is the best quality all around 357 replica, & well worth the extra money!
I think that Umarex did a great job with it, & THAT gun will always stay in my collection! :)


So there ya have it. Let me know what YOU think. :)


- The BBA -

 
At December 12, 2008 9:26 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

What I think is that you are getting wonderful performance from that 6-inch Gamo revolver. Way better than I would have expected. I never tested the 6-inch R77, only the other two. I guess I missed the best of the bunch.

Of course the S&W is one of the best modern CO2 handguns, regardless of the criteria. So the Gamo is pitted against the champ.

B.B.

 
At December 14, 2008 6:53 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

Yep, that's what I've been saying all along. I'm VERY surprised at just how well it performs. I NEVER would have guessed it to perform as well as it does. Who knows, maybe I just got lucky & got a good one?
I just bought it because I thought it was a good looking gun for the money. The wood grips & FULL swing out cylinder are rare these days, & the 6" barrel was nice too.
BTW... If you'd like me to send it to you so you can try it out, just let me know. It would be my pleasure. I'd be very interested to see what YOU think about it.

I also want to add that it's more powerful than I expected, AND gets a lot of shots per CO2, more than the S&W, which REALLY makes me want to chrony them now, & I will!
BTW, an odd thing that I noticed, was when it was cold outside the other day when I did that test, is that the Gamo was a lot less sensitive to the cold as opposed to the S&W which I thought was strange. The Gamo shot strong, while the S&W seemed noticeably weaker than normal in the cold weather.
So noticeable in fact, that I think something may be wrong with my S&W. I actually move indoors to do the test so i could control the environment/temperature.
I'll have to chrony both of them either on a warm day, or indoors in the next few days for so I can see if I have a problem with the S&W, & I'm curious to see what fps both of them shoot. I think that it will be interesting to see what fps & how many shots per CO2 they both get.
Any way you slice it, the Gamo was a pleasant surprise as far as looks, power, & accuracy, especially for the price. It's a shame they don't make them anymore.

I'll have to test that out & post what I find for everyone.


P.S.

I do want to say though, that as surprising as the Gamo has been, I still love & prefer the S&W 586-6 & will always keep it in my collection. In fact, my three favorite Umarex pistols so far, are that one, my Colt 1911 (I have the Nickle & wood one, & it is gorgeous!) & also the Magnum Research Desert Eagle too.
Don't get me wrong, it's no Crosman 600 or 451, but it IS the best currently produced blowback pistol I've shot so far. The PX4 isn't bad, but it doesn't come anywhere near as close to the power & accuracy of the Deagle. I even took the laser off my C11 Tactical & mounted it on the bottom rail of that Deagle, & it was just what the doctor ordered. ;) It made it a really fun gun to shoot, & the blowback has a real nice & realistic kick to it too. One more pistol people should keep in mind.

I wasn't THAT impressed with the CP99, but I love the three above AND... The Walther Lever Action CO2 Rifle... AWESOME! Just awesome!
Now THAT is a work of art, & out of all my rifles, it is without a doubt, my favorite backyard plinker. They really did a great job with that one!In my opinion, the looks, accuracy & action are really nice.
That gun & the Gamo Rocker Pellet Trap = a whole bunch of fun! :)

Nuff for now. I'll be back with my results in few days.


- The BBA -

 
At December 18, 2008 10:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't fully read the blog if someone already asked, but can the co2 be stored in the gun for a while? of course, with the pellgun oil. also, can that be applied to the others guns? like the c-31 and t4. ok, thanks.

 
At December 18, 2008 10:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

also, can the leapers 11mm adapter to weaver work in the 357? and it can, what scope ring-height would you recommend? low or medium? thanks again.

 
At December 19, 2008 6:24 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I store all my CO2 guns with gas in them. Crosman recommends not to for liability reasons. A charged gun is a loaded gun.

But I will admit there are a few CO2 guns that don't do well with gas left in them. The Crosman 38 T and C revolvers are guns you should not leave charged. If you are in doubt, follow the instructions.

As for the Leapers adaptor mount filling, some say yes and other say no. I haven't tried it, so I don't know.

Use the lowest rings you can and still have clearance for the scope's objective bell. With pistol scopes that would be medium rings.

B.B.

 
At December 19, 2008 12:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh ok. thanks for the tips!

 
At December 21, 2008 3:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also have a question. is a pellet going 400 fps better than a bb going 500-550 fps? thanks

 
At December 21, 2008 10:44 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

What does "better" mean? Is it more accurate? Always. Is it more powerful? Usually. That depends on the exact velocity of both rounds.

Does it penetrate farther? never.

B.B.

 
At December 22, 2008 12:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

uhh, i guess i didn't make it specific, but is a pellet pistol more accurate and more penetrating than a bb pistol? like the 357 and, for example, the c11.

 
At December 22, 2008 4:34 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I actually answered all your questions. A pellet pistol is always more accurate than a BB pistol. So the 357 will be more accurate than the C11. But a BB pistol will out-penetrate a pellet pistol. So the C11 out-penetrates the 357.

B.B.

 
At December 22, 2008 12:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh i get it! I'm sorry for not getting it the first time, and thank you for telling it again. Well, Merry Christmas to you and everyone!

 
At December 22, 2008 9:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello everyone, I'm kinda new to airguns and co2 guns, and i have a question. The standard crosman 12 gram carts are usable to any gun right? well, the co2 bb pistols. like for example, a daisy 15xt can accept the crosman 12 grams? or does it have to be the daisy 12 g.? i also heard that the pelgunoil works on everything except pcps, so i don't have to worry much with the seals. but then some people say that some 12 grams are either a little bit smaller or bigger, or that bb guns differ from it's cartridge holders(the place where the cartridges are stored). I don't mean to confuse, but i guess to make it short, the crosman carts can work on any co2 pistol, right? thanks, take care.

 
At December 23, 2008 5:14 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

CO2 cartridges are completely interchangeable, just as AA batteries are interchangeable. Only Crosman actually makes CO2 cartridges, of all the airgun manufacturers. They produce them for Daisy and others. The cartridge conforms to a cooperative specification, so they all interchange.

As for the recommendations to only use this or that cartridge, it's the same as every other product of the market. They all tell you to use theirs only.

So yes, a Daisy 15XT will take a Crosman cartridge. What you read on the internet about variations is just idle talk.

B.B.

 
At December 23, 2008 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I notice that the sights are picky! I have to adjust them to shoot at 10 yards when I was shooting at a target 30 yards away! Consistently shoots to the bottom left if I dont adjust! Anyone else find this to be a problem, know why this is happening or have a solution? Makes it difficult to pick off annoying pests when i have to gauge how far the critter is and adjust - it becomes impossible and laborious!

 
At December 24, 2008 8:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The difference in sight parallax between 10 and 30 yards is HUGE! In fact, that is the worst two ranges for sights. 100-to 200 yards is simple compared to close shots like you are making.

There is nothing wrong with your gun. It's simply the distance involved.

B.B.

 
At December 24, 2008 10:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank You B.B. Pelletier! You are a knowledgeable sports man! Now I understand where and why i am having this issue - it me! Thanks again!

 
At January 28, 2009 12:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am, by no means a blogger, but WOW, congratulations on keeping a thread going three years.
I've been shooting the 357 for 20+ yrs, and my fourth unit just gave up the ghost after unknown thousands of rounds. I stumbled on your site, looking for a replacement. Wasn't even sure it was still made(last one bought in the early 90's). It sounds like they are still making a good product. I'm excited to try the latest version with the combat grips, even more closely resembling my python.
Thanks for the entertaining read!

 
At January 28, 2009 12:47 PM, Blogger kevin said...

Anonymous going on his 5th 357 in 20 years,

Great story of your passion for this fine gun. Such a great copy of the colt python.

WOW has a lot changed in airguns since your purchased your last 357 in the early 90's. I'm going to give you a link to the current comments under todays (Wednesday, January 28, 2009) topic. Lot of great comments from airgunners like yourself talking about their old time favorites and new guns that they really like. Be careful, reading these comments may lead to another airgun purchase that you may like as well as your trusty 357! You'll need to copy and paste this link since this blog won't allow a direct link. Here it is:

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/

Hope to see you there!

kevin

 
At September 06, 2009 2:13 PM, Blogger bobhicks1 said...

When I rapid fire one of two new 357's only the first three fire with full pressure. the next two barely push the pellet out of the barrel. If I wait a few seconds it'll fire the same way again.
Any idea what the problem is?
Seenyr

 
At September 06, 2009 5:33 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Seenyr ,

I know exactly what it is. The CO2 cartridge isn't being pierced deeply enough for the gas to flow fast enough to keep up with your shooting.

Here is the test. Fire a pellet every 30 seconds and it will be powerful each and every time. Then fire six pellets as fast as you can pull the trigger and only the first and maybe the second one will be powerful.

Then set the gun aside for another 30 seconds and fire again. It will be powerful once more.

Please conduct this test and tell me if I am right.

B.B.

 
At September 07, 2009 8:37 AM, Blogger Rick said...

My 357 is about 8 years old and had the latch spring issue. Inserted a piece of mouse pad and back in business. Problem is that after every few shots, the latch loosens a bit and gun looses power and shoots low since the barrel is now angled down slightly. Pushing up on the barrel every few shots is a pain. Looking at the actual latch where it contacts the barrel, the wedge is angled such that it will want to pull away on its own. THinking about trying to file the wedge square but don't want to ruin the latch. Any suggestions?

 
At September 07, 2009 6:46 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Rick,

As you know the 357 is synthetic. So not much to work with.

Why don't you ask the guys on the Crosman forum?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/

B.B.

 
At September 07, 2009 6:59 PM, Blogger Rick said...

Thanks... I'll give that a try.

 
At November 11, 2009 8:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi BB. I found a website with a gun that they claim is a Crosman 357 but it looks slightly different and has wood grips. Is it an older version of the Crosman 357 available at Pyramydair? Here is the link

https://woodburyoutfitters.com/p-9039-crosman-pistol-3576-clamshell.aspx

What are the differences between this and the 357 at Pyramyd? Thanks in advance

Josh

 
At November 11, 2009 9:37 PM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

Hi Josh,

Looks to me like NOS ("New Old Stock".

Probably an older model of the same gun, judging by the grips.

A lot of companies will buy NOS & sell it as new, which although it is probably pretty old, it is legal & probably new. Just an old version that sat in a warehouse for a few years.

Personally, I'd buy the new version from PA with the Packmyre style grips. They're a lot more comfortable.

Take a look...

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/crosman-357-air-gun-revolver.shtml

These grips are a LOT more comfortable & will probably even make it easier to shoot more accurately.

Just my $0.02

I'm sure B.B. will confirm or deny this & tell us the real deal.


Hope that helps for now,

TheBBA

 
At November 11, 2009 11:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi BBA Thanks for the quick reply =)

Josh

 
At November 12, 2009 7:44 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Josh,

BBA was right. Those grips are not wood, they are the old style plastic. Smaller dealers can have difficulty moving stocks of guns, OR (and I think this is the case here) they are showing the old photo but selling the newer gun. IT departments have a heck of the time staying current with design changes.

B.B.

 
At November 12, 2009 6:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the reply.

Josh

 
At November 12, 2009 10:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey BB, its Josh again, do you know if there are replacement grips for the Crosman 357? Also, do you know of any Internet sites that still sell the 357GW Kit or the 4" and 8" barrels seperately? I can't seem to find any. Thanks in advance

Josh

 
At November 13, 2009 7:00 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Josh,

I don't know the answers to your questions, but if anyone does, the people on the Crosman Forum should. I think you should go there and start asking them about the 357. They live this stuff and if anyone knows, they will.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/

B.B.

 
At December 21, 2009 10:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys, I have a problem with my Crosman 357 6-shooter. I was cleaning it one day after shooting it around a bit, and it suddenly released all the CO2 through the barrel and the inside of the gun. I have no idea what caused it. I recently tried to put in a new CO2 cartridge and it all leaked out the barrel in a few seconds. Could this be because it wasn't in safe mode, or is it a serious seal problem? I haven't tried putting Pellgunoil on the seals or the tip of the cartridge, but I think that's what I'll do. I don't want to buy new seals, so I'm trying my best to fix it with what I've got.

 
At December 21, 2009 10:51 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

It's too late for Pellgunoil now. Your seal has let go and the only solution is to replace it. You sound like you know what you are doing, so I won't bother with where to get seals.

The safety had nothing to do with this.

Next time use Pellgunoil before this happens.

B.B.

 
At January 10, 2010 8:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, maybe you can settle a bet for me.

My friend is shooting BBs out of his 357. (Why, I don't know.)

I told him that this was nuts and will strip the rifling from the barrel. Is that correct?

 
At January 11, 2010 7:34 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I sure wouldn't shoot BBs out of this gun. It's rifled and steel BBs cannot be good against the low rifled lands.

B.B.

 
At January 25, 2010 9:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi im new to the airgun pistol thing,wot is the best alround pellet for the crosman 357/6inch i bought marksman pointed pellets and found that most of them are miss shaped then i bought crosman premiem super point pellets.just want to no wot are the best for this gun?(verlocity&accuracey)

 
At January 26, 2010 7:27 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

357,

Try Gamo Match pellets. They should be pretty good.

If you buy pellets through the internet, then try Crosman Premiers in the cardboard box. The 7.9-grain Premiers should also be very good.

B.B.

 
At January 26, 2010 3:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for the info bb but i miss lead you.im not shoting targets,im shoting birds at 10ft but i cant seem to get them ether there to fast or im a crap aim,i wanted a pellet that will kill it quick one shot to the head bag then in to the woods for the fox,i live in a flat in england southampton the pests keep sh**ing on my landen and making a mess.i need a pellet that is powerful as well as accurate.somthing amazing destroy kill blast to the past.thanks for the quick reply.

 
At January 26, 2010 3:09 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

At close range nothing is better for small game than a wadcutter. Everything will be accurate enough at that distance, but adjusting the sights will be a challenge. Once sighted in, you should not miss.

B.B.

 
At January 26, 2010 4:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for the info,will try them.bit of a dumb question but i dont no how to adjust the sights how do you do this in lame terms and as simple as pos please.realy new to this airgun thing.tryed to follow some on the net but could not follow it,it didnt make sense.thanks again you have been a great help

 

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