IZH MP 513M air rifle – Part 2

by B.B. Pelletier

Part 1

In our last look at the IZH MP 513M air rifle, I noted several quirky design details on the gun. The safety, which works like an exposed hammer, is the biggest, but there are others.

Air transfer port seal
Another strange detail is the location of the seal for the air transfer port. On all other breakbarrel spring rifles that I can think of, the seal is on the breech surrounding the barrel. But on the 513M, it’s located on the compression cylinder located behind the barrel. I don’t suppose that it matters where it is, but it seems strange that only one air rifle would do it differently.

Scope mounting problems
This rifle has a dovetail base that accepts the scope rings. Instead of being cut into the cylinder, it stands proud of the gun, just like the RWS Diana springers. And, like them, the Russians have made poor provisions for a positive scope stop. I did the same thing as when I mounted the scope mount to the RWS Diana 54I used a one-piece scope mount and hung the stop pin in front of the rifle’s base. The 513M has a steel base instead of the aluminum one Diana uses. There are three small holes in the base, which I suppose are for a scope stop pin, but I’ve not see one small enough to fit them.


513M scope base has three holes for a scope stop pin, but all are too small. Hang the stop pin in front of the base, as you’d do for the RWS Diana rifles.


I used a Leapers 3-9×40 (model shown is obsolete) scope on the MP 513M.

The real problem was that the one-piece mount was so far forward on the gun that the scope eyepiece was also too far forward. It was difficult to get a good view of the target from so far back, so I had to shove my head forward on the stock.

The safety that acts like a hammer didn’t prove to be a problem, as the photo shows. There was plenty of room under the scope to pull the safety back after cocking, and I soon found myself doing it as a habit. However, this “feature” is still an unusual one.


There’s plenty of clearance to cock the safety.

Trigger behavior
I wondered how the trigger would feel when shooting for accuracy. Well, I found out. The two-stage behavior becomes almost single-stage when you shoot for real. That means the first stage is quickly taken up, but the second stage pulls through a long arc before releasing. It feels like a long single-stage trigger when you shoot for record. I found it heavy when I had to concentrate on the pull, probably because the trigger was moving all the time instead of breaking crisply.

How accurate?
The 513 is accurate enough to challenge any Gamo, except perhaps the CF-X. I did my testing at 30 yards on a calm day. Beeman Kodiaks grouped 0.807″, and I would have stayed with them longer, except JSB Exact 10.2-grain pellets, which are nearly as heavy as the Kodiaks, shot almost twice as good – at just 0.458.” Crosman Premier 7.9-grain pellets tantalized with groups ranging from 0.539″ to 0.687″, but within those groups most of the pellets went into much tighter groups. I tried and tried, but could never equal the groups of the JSB with the Premiers. So, JSBs won the day.


The best group came from JSB domes. It’s less than one-half inch.


Crosman Premier 7.9 pellets grouped between a half-inch and six-tenths. In this group, however, four of the pellets are grouped in 0.149.” Several groups teased like this, but none beat the JSBs.

Velocity
The 513M is as powerful as I thought it would be. Crosman Premier 7.9-grain pellets averaged 934 f.p.s., with a total spread of just 7 f.p.s. JSB Exact domes averaged 826 f.p.s., with a spread of 11 f.p.s. Kodiaks averaged 803 f.p.s., with a total spread of 15 f.p.s. All of these numbers suggest a well-balanced powerplant. The cocking effort of 40 lbs. is about 5-8 lbs. heavier than other airguns need to achieve the same power; but if you don’t mind it, the 513M is a good value.

JSB Exacts are clearly the best pellet for the rifle, being the most accurate and the most powerful at 15.46 foot-pounds. The rifle recoils heavily forward and vibrates a little. The heavy cocking effort became a strain after 100 shots. Still, at the price you’ll pay, this is the best buy on the market. I would get the .22 and use it for hunting.

85 Responses to “IZH MP 513M air rifle – Part 2”

  • mr-lama Says:

    Those russians sure are good at making guns. Of course, if there was any doubt, go look at the firearms made by them throughout history. Mosin nagant, ak-47, rpg. They all worked so well that almost every country in asia copied them to make their own guns. I hope baikal keeps making guns like this way into the future.

  • Don Says:

    B.B. (Unrelated to current review). I notice with CO2 bulk bottles that come with Czech guns, the accompanying manuals refer to 125 g units and, yet, the bottles (at least on my 3 guns) are 150 kg stamped. Has a modification been made and why are the bottles stamped kg instead of g? It is difficult to get an answer from Czech Companies. I’ve been operating as if the bottles are 150g.—-Thanks.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Don,

    I don’t know for certain, but it sounds like the 150 kg is a pressure rating of some kind, not a weight.

    B.B.

  • Bryan Says:

    Would a Winchester 3-9×32 scope work on a springer?

  • Anonymous Says:

    A Gamo recon has the seal as mentioned above.

    I got a walther night hawk for Christmas. The first 5 clips are powerful then velocity drops off. I usally shoot those 5 for the best accuracy, and then the next 3 for fun. Can i strech it any farther

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Thanks for the input on the seal. Now that I think about it, I believe the Crosman 795 may be made that way, too.

    Yes you can continue to shoot, but at some point you will get a pellet stuck in the barrel. As it is, you are shooting the gun 64 times per powerlet. I usually tell people they’ll get 50 good shots, so you are pushing the envelope.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Bryan,

    I don’t see why not. As long as you don’t put it on a big RWS, Gamo, Beeman or Webley, it should do fine.

    B.B.

  • Bledinyello Says:

    BB
    Thank you for all of the experience and knowlage you bring to the table.

    Now I have a Logun S-16 and absalutly love the gun. But the manuel tells me that I must send it to a regestered logun service center every year or 2, I cant rember just now, any way, the manul also tells me that inbetween services no lubrication should be needed.

    I have this urge to put a drop of Beeman Mp5 oil on in the port where the bottle ataches, like i do with all my co2 guns, Ya or Na and maby a little explanation if you could.
    Thankyou.
    Chase

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Chase,

    ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

    The carrier (solvent) in MP5 could be dangerously expolsive in high-pressure air.

    For that matter, MP5 is not right for your CO2 guns, either. MP5 is penetrating oil, used to break rust on nuts and bolts. It also preserves the surface of blued steel. Beeman says it’s harmless to airgun seals, but that doesn’t mean that it’s good. Use pure silicone oiul for CO2 guns.

    B.B.

  • Bryan Says:

    I was thinking about putting that scope on my B3-1 its funny, it cost more then my gun!

  • Bryan Says:

    Vince or anybody! do you know if the B3-1 has 2 sling swivel or 1? and if 1 what kind of sling to use?

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Bryan,

    I own a B3-1 and I owned a B3 before that. I’m adding the B3-1 to the list of guns for review.

    B.B.

  • Bryan Says:

    sweet! but will you be replacing the spring and such inside the gun with the stuff in the “B3-B4″ cleaning kit?

    there are photos of the spring in the gun smaller then then the one in the cleaning kit! (1-1/2″ longer!)

    what I plan to do to mine (except the stock: http://www.kermitairgunclub.com/airguntips/b3-2/ )

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Bryan,

    Don’t push your luck, fellah!

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    I have an old Hy-Score 813 (I believe it’s a Diana 23) that has the breach seal (leather)at the transfer port on the reciever, rather than on the barrel. Makes it a real pain to change out!
    Thanks for all the great info.
    Happy Holidays

  • Anonymous Says:

    bb
    i reacently bought my first air gun a 392. i had trouble getting it to group which is understandable concidering my lack of shooting over the years (none)
    anyway today i figured what the heck and moved back to 150 feet. with ease i took down one soup can after another. this was with open sights and sitting down. i pumped it 8 times and let the lead fly.
    sweet down goes a can and then another.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Isn’t life wonderful?

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Bryan,

    There is one thin 3/4″ swivel located on the right side of the gun. It passes through a hole in the underlever pivot bolt.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    Hi BB,
    I don’t know if i can post here but anyway. I was reading one of your articles on bent barrels on break barrel air rifles and i have some questions. First can you bend the barrel on an underlever rifle by having the under lever hit the barrel and second what is an anti-beartrap mechanism.
    Thanks
    Tom

  • Anonymous Says:

    I have a Gamo Showdow 1000 and it shoot pretty well.in fact i can shoot a max of 50-55 yeards verys accuratly.in fact i can hit the exact same hole on every other shot using Gamo magnum pointed pellets.im guessing i would land a hit every time if the pellets were better made and ballanced.im using a Leapers 6-24×50 scope.im looking to up grade to the Gamo hunter extreme but i want to know what is the accuracy gain if any from the gun.i want the extra power for longer distant shooting.the gun would mainly be used for target shoot,plinking and sharp shooting with a little bit of hunting thrown in the mix.will be hunting birds.ducks,rabbits and squirrels.i typically shoot my gamo to see how far and accurate i can get it, the same will be tru with the extreme if and when i get it depending on your answer.i shoot my Gamo Shodow 1000 so much that the spring is now going and i only had it for about six months.i shoot at least 50 rounds a day at least.in fact i want thru several thins of pellets every month or so in a single day,over a thousand rounds sometimes.so i the Etreme worth it or can i get something betting(Accurate)with about the same power and price?

  • Anonymous Says:

    i also want to stick with .177 as they are more easy to get,more makes and models as well as it give me a bigger challenge to shoot them more accurately.do you think the Gamo Extreme is a good choice for what im going be using it for?

  • Vince Says:

    I’m not BB, but…

    An anti-beartrap is a mechanism that prevents you from firing the gun when the breach is open. This can be a trigger block (i. e. Crosman Quest), or a separate catch (RWS 48/52/54), or both.

    On a breakbarrel, firing the gun with the breach open will slam the barrel closed – hard – and quite possible damage something (or even break the stock). And you can get your fingers pinched if they’re in the wrong place.

    I don’t believe underlevers suffer from quite the same malady if the gun goes off while the action is open… the underlever will hit the barrel, but given that the lever is lighter and will probably hit (and break) it’s retaining clip first, I can’t see the barrel getting bent.

    However – and this is where it gets dangerous – sliding breach type guns (like the B3, the B4-2, the RWS sidelevers, etc) can slam the cylindical breach on your fingers if it goes off while you’re loading a pellet. The more powerful guns can inadvertently perform an amputation this way! That’s why many shooters recommend holding on to the lever while loading, and why the better ones have a separate catch that must be manually released before the breach will close.

  • bryan Says:

    anyone know of a cheap spring compressor for air rifles? (I know B-Square makes one but at $100+ thats crazy!)

  • mr-lama Says:

    Bryan,

    Go put a wanted ad in the classifieds. I saw one not too long ago for $45. Here’s a couple good classifieds you can look at:

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/

    http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/classifieds.html

    Those work well.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Tom and Vince,

    Vince answered the anti-beartrap question.

    Thanks!

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Gamo shooter,

    The Hunter Extreme won’t be any more accurate than your current rifle. Just faster. Faster is bad unless you slow it down with heavier pellets.

    I don’t think the Hunter Extreme will improve your accuracy much until the wind comes into play. Then it will extend your range by 10-15 yards.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    bryan,

    You can build your own spring compressor for $10-20. There are plans all over the internet.

    B.B.

  • Vince Says:

    BB – speaking of the Hunter Extreme – did you see that video that Gamo put out of a “hunter” killing a hog with, I believe, a 1250 and PBA ammo?

    Speaking of which… you always point out how diabolo pellets weren’t intended to go trans-sonic or supersonic. And yet Gamo seems to be recommending PBA in their stronger rifles. Are they assuming that shooters won’t notice them scattering all over the place? Or are they assuming that PBA won’t get used much since they’re so expensive?

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Vince,

    I have spoken out against that movie since it was first shown at the SHOT Show last February. I have written the president of Gamo, but he declined to respond.

    As for accuracy and the Raptor, there isn’t any! I have tested them and found them to be inadequate. They also don’t penetrate as deep as heavier lead pellets.

    Gamo is currently on a velocity kick. I think their campaign must be doing well because this month they took two 1/2-page color ads in American Rifleman that cost over $40K. So velocity sells.

    B.B.

  • Bryan Says:

    I thought about making one, but where do I buy a broken C-Clamp?

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Bryan,

    Use a hacksaw.

    B.B.

  • Bryan Says:

    or could I get one of those bar clamps? Then all I would have to do is protect the sides?

  • Anonymous Says:

    Hi Vince,
    Awesome reply about the barrel bending problem. That covered everything i wanted to know.

    Tom

  • Anonymous Says:

    Hello
    I just found this blog while researching air rifles and it has answered many of my questions. But Im still stuck between deciding a rifle. I have a limited budget and was looking into either this gun(Baikal 513) or a Mendoza RM 600. Both are similar in price and power(800 fps) and both come in .22, which is the caliber I would prefer. In your opinion BB(and anyone else with any insight), which one of these rifles and in general rifle companies is more reliable, reputable and has a better track record.
    My brother will be using a RWS 34 so I would like to know how far behind I would be from him with either of these guns on a hunt. Thanks and sorry for such a long post.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Puzzled,

    Here is my opinion.

    Mendoza is a fine gun maker. But the former RWS USA (not the current company, but six years and two companies ago) knew nothing about airguns, except cheap! So they imported the absolute cheapest guns Mendoza made.

    I would therefore go with the 513M. The IZH factory has been making Soviet military arms for nearly all of this century, and they know how to make guns. They do not know how to rifle a barrel poorly.

    I haven’t tested the Mendozas, so what I am telling you is the collected reports I’ve heard from owners for the past few years.

    You will have the same power and accuracy as your brother with his 34. His rifle will look a little sharper, but yours will perhaps be a little more accurate.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    Thank you for the quick reply. So I can assume that the Mendoza guns that Pyramid stocks through RWS arent the best Mendoza makes?
    And for both the Diana 34 and M13, 11mm rings should fit on the dovetails correct? Thanks for the help so far.

  • Vince Says:

    Another nice thing about IZH – check out the “parts” section of http://www.eaacorp.com – they’ve got parts diagrams and price lists out for their guns. To the best of my knowledge, only Crosman makes it almost as easy to get parts.

  • Anonymous Says:

    Vince, thank you for the link. I saw on pyramidair that they had quite a few parts for RWS guns, so my brother and I shouldnt have any trouble if we need aftermarket parts(hoping we wont though).

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Mendoza,

    Here is the deal. Only RWS USA ever imported Mendoza air rifles into the USA, but Airgun Express, a big RWS USA dealer, decided to keep on importing them after RUAG bought out the RWS importation lisense and dropped the line, So the guns remained the same.

    Then Pyramyd Air purchased Airgun Express, so all the Mendoza inventory came with that purchase. So the only Mendoza airguns to ever come into the U.S. are those originally specified by RWS USA when they began importing them.

    Regarding the scope rails on both the RWS Diana 34 and the IZH MP 513M – they both have a problem of no adequate scope stop. Read what I did to fix this in the three-part review of the RWS Diana 54, or the MP 513M reviews.

    B.B.

  • VInce Says:

    BB, didn’t Crosman import them a few years ago, or did Crosman get tehm through the RWS dealership?

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Vince,

    You’re right. I doubt Crosman went through RWS. A company as large as Crosman usually goes right to the source.

    So I stand corrected that RWS USA was the only importer of Mendozas. The comment on quality stands, though.

    B.B.

  • Vince Says:

    BB, thanks for the addition info. I almost bit on a used Mendoza (I believe it was a Crosman imported gun) that was on auctionarms for $125, but sumthin’ told me to hold back.

    I sorta remember hearing similar rumblings that the guns “weren’t too bad, but…” a couple of years ago.

    Here’s another one – what did you think of the old Beeman S1?

  • Anonymous Says:

    BB,
    Reading the reviews on reviewcentre, I am beginning to see your points of poor quality control on Mendoza’s part. One person even said their piston came with a dent in it. So I guess its the Baikal for me.
    For scopes and mounts, I have used the Leapers 4*32 scope(the one with the sunshade and rings) and that is the one I would like to get. My question is what rings and scope stop should I buy(from pyramid air) that will work with the odd IZH/Diana scope mount setup. Thanks.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    To solve the setback problem you’ll have to use a one-piece scope mount like I did and hang the stop pin over the front of the rail. I used a Leapers one-piece AA adjustable mount.

    B.B.

  • adiecastjunkie Says:

    BB, I am looking for a air shotgun and after reading the reviews on the Viper Express I have pretty much come to the conclusion that I need something with more power. I would really prefer a PCP or CO2 instead of a springer. I do not know of any PCP except for Gary Barnes’s Chief Justice(87 cal) and Woodsman(62cal), I would love to own either one of these but the prices are just out of my range and there is a 3 year wait. I really would prefer a PCP over the CO2 unless their would be an advantage to having CO2 that I am not awair of. If I can only get a CO2 I would like to try and get a Farco but have not been able to find anyone that has one available. I was wondering if you have heard anything about the Shark 13mm CO2 shotgun. It is offered at sunshineairguns.net for 250.00 but have not seen any reviews on it. Do I have any other options for a bigbore shotgun that you might be able to recomend? Thanks, Steve

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    adiecastjunkie,

    You need to consider powerplants when thinking about an air shotgun.

    What makes the Viper Express so weak is the fact that it’s a spring-piston powerplant. Same for the Shark. It may use a gas spring, but the air it develops is too little to work.

    Thge best air shotgun currently is the .25 caliber Fire 201. You’ll have to search for one because no established U.S. dealer carries them anymore.

    Farcos are available at any big airgun shot for about $300, but they work on CO2 which is too temperture dependant.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    what scope would be a good choice on a .22 rabbit hunting rifle for up to about 30yds.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    For 30 yard rabbits, I would look for a fixed power scope of around 4 or 6 power.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    i buting a .22 airgun for small game hunting and i am wondering what kind of scope i would put on this rifle for rabbits out to about 30 yds. for under $75.00.thx

  • Anonymous Says:

    a little new to blogging ignore last scope question sorry

  • Anonymous Says:

    Is it possible to drill out the scope stop holes a little bit to make it where a scope stop would actually work? How about on the Diana rifles?

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    You can try, but Diana scope ramps are made of aluminum, so they tend to defore under a lot of pressure.

    B.B.

  • Abhijeet Says:

    Hi,

    Am curious – can one take a .177 cal MP 513M and then simply change the barrel with a .22 cal barrel (or vice versa)? Or would one have to change other parts as well (cocking arm etc.)?

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Abhijeet,

    It involves more than just the barrel. I recommend you read this postin to see what’s involved:

    http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/08/spring-gun-tune-part-13-range-testing.html

    B.B.

  • Abhijeet Says:

    Excellent series of posts! :) However, they did not shed much light on why the barrels cannot be interchanged… or did I miss something?

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Abhijeet,

    If you have access to a small machine shop then barrels can be exchanged. They are usually a press fit, sometimes bonded with epoxy.

    The reason I had you read those posts is because I showed the barrel of a typical spring gun disassembled from the action. As you see, it’s attached to the base block, which also contains the cocking link.

    B.B.

  • Abhijeet Says:

    I’m sorry for not being explicit enough, I did mean the barrel+base block combo. I would imagine these could be purchased as a combined spare, (thus doing away with the need to get a machinist to play around with it)? The reason why I am interested in this possibility is – while (in India) we can order .177 cal airguns for import via post, .22 cal airguns (in fact any calibre other than .177) can only be brought back as part of check-in baggage when returning from overseas. Hence the interest in finding out if one could in fact buy a .177 cal and later, as and when someone is coming back from an overseas visit – simply ask them to carry back the .22 cal barrel+block combo. Weight being an issue when travelling by air, one would rather avoid asking someone to carry an entire air-rifle back with them – too much of an ask!

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet

    P.S. – I never cease to be amazed by your response times! Thank you for putting up such an awesome resource for everyone’s benefit :)

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Abhijeet,

    The barrel/base block/cocking lever combo can be purchased. They should be readily available in the UK, but less so here in the U.S.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    B.B.
    Can you tell me if Pyramid Air ships the IZH Baikal 513 with the extra parts (main spring, cleaning rods,etc.)

    Thanks
    Sreve

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Steve,

    They do come that way.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    B.B.
    Im trying to decide between the MP 513 and the RWS 34.
    Can you help me?

    Thanks

    Chris

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Chris,

    Both rifles have power and reasonable accuracy. The 513 is quirky, just as I reported. The 34 is more traditional.

    You pick.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    B.B.

    Can I put a muzzlebrake on the MP 513?
    If I can, wich one?

    Thanks

    Jeremy

  • Scott Says:

    I have 3 questions:
    1) Which one piece base did you use on the IZH 513m?
    2) You mentioned the scope was mounted too forward. Would you recomend a long eye relieve scope?
    3) Or would you recomend using standard rings and a seperate scope stop like the one’s Pyramid sells such as the: Beeman, Beeman Professional, Gamo or RWS Scope. If so, which stop is best.

  • western PA Says:

    This is for Scott,

    pick up an Accushot (they’re connected to Leapers) one-piece scope mount from Pyramyd Air – the last two I purchased came with replacement scope stop pins that definitely fit the tapped holes on my 513M’s scope base. Proper positioning, No movement. However, I’ve gone through 2 rather nice Leaper’s scopes in the process (they replaced them each for something like 10 or 15 dollars) apparently this was due to the gun’s famous recoil. The 513M’s shooting characteristics are definitely harsh, but with a lot of technique, decent optics and proper set-up – it’s a very fine rifle.

  • Anonymous Says:

    hi i ve just got a mp513m 0.22 and i ve noticed after 300-350 pellets, the stock and the main body (piston cylinder and trigger group) are loose! i tried to tighten the screws at the trigger and the 1 in front was needed tightenig but the second 1 the 1 at the back is not tightening.maybe is sealed with loctight or something .the problem is that the wooden stock and the main body of the airgun r still loose.what should i do?
    is there some other screws i ve to check?thanks and sorry for my english

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    It's likely the screws have compressed the wood and are now bottomed out. The fix is to install hardwood plugs in the holes and re-drill them. This time use washers under the screws.

    B.B.

  • dim Says:

    hi
    i want to ask if a simmons prohunter masters series 3-10×40 scope can handle the heavy recoil of the izh mp513m!also as im new in airguningi ll like to ask if u ve post any article about how we use the open sights ,and how we adjust it!
    i m trying to adjust the rear sight on my mp 513 but at 10 meters with the rear sight at his lower position the gun shoots 3-4 centimeters lower of the target!
    thank u and keep up what u do !its very inspiring for all of to read ur articles!

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    dim,

    The Simmons scope should be no problem on the 513.

    Always adjust the rear sight in the direction you want the pellet to go. So, if the rear sight is as low as it will go and you are shooting too low, you need to move the rear sight up.

    B.B.

  • Jozef Says:

    Hi,
    This question is not directly related with the topic, but i'm looking for the most precise airgun(springer or PCP) in .22 caliber. At least .5 inch at 25 yards. And it has to shoot at least 750 fps or more.
    Thanks,
    Jozef

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  • Mr B. Says:

    Jozef,

    You should also look at a Benjamin
    Discovery– a great buy from PA with the HPA pump included at a price of $369.00 If you're interested in a springer, the TX200MkIII at $569.00 from PA is considered the best in its class by most.Other guns to look at is the AirForce line of PCP's which you can find again at PA.

    If you want to reach thousands of readers try posting on our current blog at http://www.pyramydair.com/blog You posted to a bolg that was written 4 years ago and there's only a very small handful of folks checking the old posts for new comments.

    Hope to see your question there and also that you'll let us know what you decided and why.

    Mr B.

  • Slinging Lead Says:

    Jozef

    This blog is published daily, Monday through Friday. The most recent days blog will be found at this address:

    http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/

    The look will be different, because the format and location changed just today (5/3/2010), but it will contain the same great articles and still be moderated by BB and his lovely wife Edith.

    The article you have posted to is about 3 and a half years old, and not many people will see your question. To get the most responses from the most knowledgeable people as fast as possible, post to the most recent blog. Scroll down to the bottom of the first article to post your comment.

    As far as the most precise airgun in .22, the Air Arms S400 or S410 PCP is very hard to beat. .5" at 25 yards will be a cinch, .5" at 50 yards will be achievable if you are capable. Be prepared to spend about $1000 for the rifle only. You will need a means to charge it and a scope with mounts as well. This is obviously at the high end of the spectrum, you did say MOST precise. PCPs will have the edge in accuracy due to very little felt recoil as compared to springers. Mr B. gave excellent suggestions as well.

    When you post again, let us know what you plan to do with the most precice airgun in .22; hunting, target shooting, plinking, mischief, etc. and what your budget is, if any.

    P.S. you have earned points by looking for the 'most precise' rather than the 'most powerful'. You seem to have your priorities straight.

  • Anonymous Says:

    Couldn't you just drill a hole in the dovetail of the gun for a scope stop? I think it might be easier to do on a gun like this with the raised dovetail so there is less chance of drilling through the reciver.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Yes, that is certainly possible.

    B.B.

  • Ivan Says:

    Hi.
    I just recently bought a Baikal 513, and I was wondering if an old(but slighttly used) Redfield Tracker 3-9×40 scope could withstand the baikalĀ“s recoil.

    Thanks for your help.

  • Vince Says:

    From the apparent age of the scope, I'd guess 'probably not'. A quick search of Redfield scopes indicates that they were made before powerful springers became popular and well known, and it is unlikely that they were designed to take the reverse recoil of a gun like this.

    I believe you should be able to get a comparable scope that's airgun rated for $100 or less.

    Also, if you pop over to the current blog you'll be able to get a lot more people to see you questions:

    http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/03/testing-4-vintage-10-meter-air-rifles/#comments

  • Ivan Says:

    Thanks for your help Vince.

  • Anonymous Says:

    I got myself into a jam with my MP 315M. I let my brother shoot it and he screwed up the firing sequance. He broke the barrel down all the way till the ratchet system caught, THEN he put the hammer back. All before closing the barrel. So now the barrel won't close and I can't manualy release the safety.

    How do I fix this? I can't find any information reguarding this problem on the internet. I guess it's because the MP513 is a lesser known rifle.

    Do I have to take the rifle apart? I hope I don't have to send it to the factory.

    Any input would be amazing.

  • Mr B. Says:

    Anonymous,

    Welcome! That's an interesting question you've asked. I personally am not familar with your air gun, but I can help you get an answer,

    You've posted on a blog that was written in 2006. Not many are checking the old ones for current posts.

    Please ask your question on the current blog, written Monday through Friday by B.B. at http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog.

    You'll reach hundreds of readers and someone will have the answer to your problem. Don't worry cause off topic questions are fine here.

    Bruce

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    I answered this question on the current blog (as of the posting). Find it here:

    http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/09/testing-bsas-2×20-pistol-scope-part-1/

    B.B.

  • John Says:

    hi BB,
    can you please help.
    I picked up a IZH 513m last month and i have noticed that with open sights it shoots around 2 inches to the left of the bullseye at 10 yards. the pellet grouping however at is very good and i almost get a hole in hole.
    to compensate this i have to move the rear sight quite a bit to the right which makes it uncomfortable to hold and position when aiming. i have tried around 5 different types of pellets and all are to the left of the POA (point of aim), the barrel is not bent, the crown looks ok, i have cleaned the barrel thoroughly but still no joy.
    any ideas on what the cause could be and what i can do to fix it.
    Thank you.
    John

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    John,

    Oh, I have the perfect solution. The problem is — do you want to do it?

    Read the entire report — from start to finish:

    http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/2012/09/bending-airgun-barrels-part-5/

    B.B.

  • John Says:

    Ah that is a predicament indeed :-)
    the barrel does look very straight and im afraid the bending it to the right will make it look a little 'bent' but having said that i in all probability will bend it.
    thanks BB, will let you know how it goes.
    John

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