UTG Navy Seal MK 23 spring airsoft pistol – Part 1

by B.B. Pelletier


UTG Navy SEAL Mk23 pistol may be one of the best buys in a low-cost spring-piston gun.

For this review, I decided to do some research before I actually tested the gun. By reading the reviews on the Pyramyd Air website, I learned a lot. The first thing I learned concerns the recommended ammo. Pyramyd gives the expected velocity of the gun with both 0.12-gram BBs and 0.20-gram BBs. The 0.12-gram BBs are leaving the muzzle at 310-320 f.p.s. Well, I’m not an airsoft expert, but the little experience I do have tells me right away that’s too fast. Lightweight BBs don’t fly true when they go that fast. They’re much better down around 250 f.p.s. and slower.

The 0.20-gram BBs are supposed to go 220-240 f.p.s. from this gun. That’s a much better speed range, plus the 0.20-gram BB can take higher velocities better than lighter BBs. So, I would think this gun is too powerful for 0.12-gram BBs. And that’s what many of the reviews say–that the 0.12-gram BBs are curving too much in flight.

When you see something like that–STOP USING THOSE LIGHTWEIGHT BBS! Don’t wait to be told what to do. It’s obvious they don’t work well, and the reviews confirm it.

Next, the reviews pointed out that the silencer that comes with the gun doesn’t really silence it. Pardon me, but…DUH! Do people also think that erecting a chromed vertical exhaust pipe behind the cab on a half-ton pickup truck turns it into a long-haul tractor?

Here is the deal. YOU CAN’T SILENCE A SPRING GUN MECHANISM WITH A SILENCER ON THE MUZZLE. That’s like believing in the Hush-a-Bomb from Rocky and Bullwinkle. It didn’t REALLY exist!

Sorry, guys, but those comments enrage the Captain Obvious in me. There may not be any stupid questions, but there certainly are more than a few casual remarks that are not well thought out. However, in reading the reviews further, I do get a sense that the UTG Navy Seal MK 23 pistol is quite accurate, and more powerful than the price tag would indicate. That interests me, because I need a good accurate airsoft pistol on hand to test various BBs that come my way. It would be nice to have something like that on the shelf, just as I have certain pellet rifles and pistols that I can turn to when I need performance I can count on.

With that behind us, let’s dive in. The UTG Navy Seal MK 23 airsoft pistol copies the H&K Mk 23 Mod. O .45 ACP SOCOM offensive handgun that was adopted in 1996. It’s supposed to deliver match-grade accuracy, while standing up to rugged SEAL use.

This airsoft pistol is a repeating spring-piston pistol–and right there I must explain what I mean, because many of those who are interested in this gun are young shooters who lack a firearms background. A repeater is a gun that contains more than a single round, so it can be fired more than one time without reloading. BUT–and this is very important–it does not mean that the gun must fire every time you pull the trigger! There are other things that must be done first, or the gun will not fire. In the case of a spring-piston airgun, the piston has to be cocked manually every time you want to fire the gun. That is accomplished by pulling the operating slide ALL the way to the rear until a click is heard and the hammer is cocked, and then returning the slide to the forward position. The gun can then be fired one time.

To shoot again, the slide must be pulled back again. You cannot just cock the hammer and then shoot the gun. While the hammer will cock, the piston will not, and the gun will not fire. You can even cycle the hammer double-action by just squeezing the trigger like a revolver. The hammer will come back and then fall as if to fire the gun, but nothing else will happen.

This is called a repeater because once the magazine is loaded with as many as 26 BBs, it can be cocked and fired repeatedly without needing to load more BBs. Only one BB comes out every time you fire the gun.

Some of the reviews say this gun is larger than a Desert Eagle pistol, but it isn’t. A REAL Desert Eagle firearm is larger than a REAL H&K Mk 23 firearm, and therefore accurate airsoft copies will hold the same dimensions. This is a large handgun, though. It’s significantly larger than a Colt M1911A1 pistol, for instance. The grip is both long and wide, so the pistol will feel better to shooters with larger hands.

For an inexpensive airsoft spring-piston gun, this model is also on the heavy side. Only the trigger and slide release lever are metal, but the engineering plastic the gun is made from is dense, and the gun feels pretty hefty.

It comes with two magazines and a FAKE silencer. It’s a fake because it doesn’t silence the gun in any way, but it looks real. Also, this gun makes so little noise when it fires that it’s already quieter than a real silenced firearm, so what does everybody expect? When the silencer is threaded on the orange tip of the muzzle, it covers the orange color almost completely, but the silencer has an orange muzzle of its own.

The tactical sights are a white-outlined rear notch and a white ball on the front post. You’ll center the ball in the rear notch, and put the ball on your target.

There’s a wide accessory rail under the forward part of the frame, but it has no cross slots. Some airsoft accessories may fit, but those with real Weaver mounts will not, because there is no cross slot to hold the Weaver key.

The controls that work are the magazine release and the safety, which masquerades as the slide stop. All other controls are non-functional and merely cast into the plastic frame.

I have to comment that I chose to test this particular airsoft pistol because of the many great reviews customers have given it. Finding a nice airsoft gun in this price range isn’t easy, and from what I see, this might be one of the best.

62 Responses to “UTG Navy Seal MK 23 spring airsoft pistol – Part 1”

  • Vince Says:

    BB, forgive me if I’m stating the obvious, but you’ll probably wanna check velocity and accuracy with the silencer installed and removed. On some airsoft guns the silencer forms a barrel extension that can affect the shooting charactersitics of the gun.

  • Anonymous Says:

    BB Will you every do a write up?
    On the Sumatra in 177??

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Vince,

    I will do it.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    The Sumatra in .177. Now that is a combination I would never have thought of.

    Why get such a potentially powerful rifle and then hamstring it by selecting .177 caliber? Why not buy a lower-powered .177 PCP?

    B.B.

  • kevin Says:

    Everyone,

    Great article. Airsoft seems to have come a long ways.

    I especially like the, “think before you ask” part of the article. My grandmother used to say, “common sense isn’t common.”

    Another great “tip” by B.B. in this article is the “hand on” information available about each gun sold by PA if you read the “reviews” on the PA site. Some of the comments are overly critical considering the price point of a particular gun but good information in general. “The pellets that my gun likes are….” is a good example of a comment left in a review.

    kevin

  • .22 multi-shot Says:

    cjk,

    To answer your question from yesterday, the Crosman 357 has an 11mm dovetail so any laser with an 11mm mount should work. Mounting a laser on the trigger guard isn’t an option since the barrel swings down for loading the next cylinder.

    .22 multi-shot

  • Herb Says:

    BB,

    Waiting for Part 2 of “How fast can an airgun shoot?” will come out?

    Figured out at least a partial answer for a PCP which gives an upper limit.

    Basically assume reservoir pressure pushes against pellet all way down barrel. That give work in foot-pounds. Split energy between pellet and recoil of the gun. From energy of pellet, and its weight you can calculate velocity.

    Of course this is an upper limit. I seriously doubt that the 2000 psi is achieved all the way down the barrel.

    Herb

  • Anonymous Says:

    Recently received a book title ‘Competitive Shooting’ by A.A. Yur’yev who was a Russian Olympic shooting champion as well as a coach in his later years (the book was published in the ’70′s).
    He mentions something in one of the chapters (Exterior Ballistics) in which he mentions that atmospheric drag increases immensely when the speed of sound is passed, and that as well the bow wave of a supersonic round also makes it much more difficult for the round to remain stable.
    He states that when you surpass the speed of sound by a larger percentage things ‘calm’ down, but that a round that is ‘just supersonic’ is probably far less accurate than a subsonic round.
    So my question is (I guess)…why all the hub-bub about magnum air rifles.
    I know that partly it is a ruse of advertising…we all to some degree fall for the ‘biggest is bestest’…but he makes it sound like a ‘just supersonic’ round is in fact detrimental and not worth the bother.
    This was written at a time when the Soviets were taking a highly scientific approach to the Olympics.
    CowBoyStar Dad

  • BG_Farmer Says:

    BB,
    How does this compare to a 9mm airsoft replica in terms of penetration and stopping power?
    No answer required — we all know the .45 is better:).

  • Anonymous Says:

    CowBoyStar Dad

    Re: “…why all the hub-bub about magnum air rifles. “

    Why do we need cars that go from 0 to 60 in 0.3 milliseconds when 70 mph is the highest spped limit?

    Marketing.
    Bragging rights – Mine is bigger than yours.

    As BB has pointed out, target rifles shoot about 600 fps. It doesn’t seem like that is some accident. If 1000 fps was better, it would seem to be a very safe assumption that Olympic athletes could afford rifles shooting at 1000 fps.

    I was just playing around with a TF 97. I was really surprised that the more modest power made the gun much nicer to shoot.

    I’d be curious how a stock RWS 34, and detuned RWS 34 would compare. If you detuned the RWS (by using a weaker spring) so that it shot around 600 fps instead, then it would seem like the gun would shoot much nicer. There would be some hold sensitivity, but it wouldn’t be AS sensitive.

    Anybody out there played with such an alteration of the RWS 34, or some other rifle?

    Herb

  • Herb Says:

    RE: Alloy for PBA pellets

    Anybody know what metal is used in the Gamo PBA pellets?

    I was surprised to discover that the pellets were magnetic.

    Herb

  • Anonymous Says:

    Thanks for the input Herb.
    I have an Avanti 853c and a Slavia that are both right around 500fps and are very pleasant to shirt.
    Though I don’t use my airguns for hunting, I’m considering purchasing something with more power this spring to deal with magpies and crows. Nothing over 50yds and at the moment I’m looking at a Diana 46, the one with the stock the entire length of the barrel, at 890fps.
    My thinking, after reading the book I mentioned is, though this would not have the hitting power of something supersonic, would the ability to accurately place a shot make a one shot kill more likely.
    Yup…that’s the question.
    CowBoyStar Dad

  • Herb Says:

    CowboyStar Dad:

    Re: Killing pests

    I’ve shot several squirrels that I knew I hit but didn’t kill outright. Didn’t like that. I love the videos of hitting a varmint and watching it explode. That’s dead. However no REASONABLE air rifle is going to have that power. (Reasonable to me is something that I’d feel safe shooting inside the city limits.)

    I played with all sorts of hollowpoints thinking that there was some magic answer. Then the wisdom of BB’s remark to “think like a Buffalo hunter” finally sunk into my thick head. A hollowpoint might do the job a little better, but you first have to hit a vital spot on the varmint. So shooting “patterns” with hollowpoints isn’t the answer.

    My only defense is that I hunted birds with a shotgun. You don’t pick a spot on the bird. If you cover the bird with the pattern of shot, then the shot density is such that the bird will be killed. (Damn poor excuse, but it is the best that I can muster!)

    However you can’t nick the ear of a varmint and expect that to be a killing shot. So first and foremost, having a good shot placement is critical to inflicting an immediately lethal wound. If you can hit a vital spot, then you can consider using a hollowpoint.

    Herb

  • Anonymous Says:

    Cowboy Star Dad – I think it would be easier to kill a crow by shooting it in the eye rather than in the ass, regardless of pellet velocity!!

    -Aaron

    p.s. – I’m not trying to be sarcastic, I just thought that was a funny way to provide input on your question. Also, I think BB always reccomends at least 12 ft/lbs for hunting.

  • CJr Says:

    Herb,
    If you were still going to do your rifle/pellet blog this month – My chrony order was just put on hold because of a back ordered printer to go with the “red” (the “blues” are back ordered, too) and I’m out of time for delivery until next month. In all fairness, when I ordered, the printer showed limited quantities and I’ve never been that lucky so I don’t know why I thought I’d be lucky this time. Order canceled, rethink next month.
    -Chuck

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Herb,

    How fast part 2?

    Soon.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Herb,

    Your detuned 34 experiment sounds worthy to me.

    B.B.

  • BG_Farmer Says:

    CowboyStarDad,
    We need magnum airguns for the same reason my (5yo) son thinks that a .30-06 is inherently better than an air rifle, after he asked me what would happen to various small animals when shot with each (childless people probably couldn’t handle the details of his questions). Too much analysis of human behavior will cause depression:).

  • volvo Says:

    CowboyStar Dad,

    Magnum is often used to describe a multitude of items and attributes. For example “I bought the ladies a magnum of champagne.”

    As it pertains to air rifles originally speed was equated to “magnum abilities” as there was room for improvement from the .177 rifles that shot in the mid 700’s in the Seventies and very early Eighties

    I thing now the magnum ability is more appropriately applied to airguns base on ft-lbs. You are 1000 % correct that there is no advantage to speeding a 7.9 grain pellet past the mid 900 fps mark.

    But the new offering that will take a 21 grain + .22 pellet up to that velocity are deserving of the magnum title.

    Velocity receives the most attention just like horsepower in cars. An old buddy of mine was found of saying “horsepower sells cars but torque wins races.” Same with airguns –velocity sells them but energy is the key.

  • Anonymous Says:

    Herb,
    Sort of in contrast to your post, but an interesting article in guns&ammo magazine came up titled "Big and Slow is the way to go". It talked about how a broad meplate bullet (BMB) is more effective at it's lower velocities than a hollow point of the same weight and velocity (not a whole lot of velocity in an air rifle so much less expansion). A pellet I see similar in design is the RWS supermag wadcutters.
    Shadow express dude

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Volvo,

    If I could chime in one the velocity/energy discussion, I would offer that accuracy wins the day.

    When I had Airgun Illustrated magazine, I had The Urban Hunters–Tom Jue and Robert Hamilton. Their exploits were eliminating pigeons at ranges beyond 50 yards with 6 foot-pound rifles like R7s and HW55s.

    They shot hundreds of birds successfully with guns like that– and always at long range.

    Could I do it? Probably not right away. But it did demonstrate that a weak pellet on target was better than a powerful one that missed.

    I’m not arguing the horsepower issue, except to say that accuracy always comes first.

    B.B.

  • Herb Says:

    Shadow express dude,

    Argeed. BB has said too that big, slow, and ACCURATE is the way to hunt. That’s why he like 0.22 over 0.177.

    I’d quibble about wadcutters. For same weight pellet, I’d take the domed.

    Hollowpoints really need to be shot fast (greater than 750 fps?)to be accurate and to expand in varmints. My Daisy 22SG just doesn’t have enough power. With hollowpoints it also isn’t about how fast you shoot’em, it is about how fast they decelerate. My 22SG “mushrooms” nicely when shot into concrete!

    Herb

  • kevin Says:

    Volvo,

    So how did your evening end up after buying the ladies a magnum of champagne?

    My racing buddy always said, “Speed cost money, how fast do you want to go?”

    kevin

  • kevin Says:

    Vince,

    Didn’t you detune a 34? I remember the blog you did on a 34. You’ve put a lot of time in on 34′s, any feedback for Herb?

    kevin

  • FRED Says:

    Cowboystar Dad,

    I have a RWS 46 aka a Diana 46 and it’s ranked as a medium powered rifle, in case you didn’t know. I have it in 22 cal and with the Discovery Premium pellet (14 gr? – I’m at work and can’t remember exact weights) it was almost breaking 13 ft.lbs of energy at the muzzle. Because of it’s low power, it is a pleasure to shoot and you can obtain very good accuracy with it. But it’s not the best rifle for squirrels at distances of 30 yds plus. Actually, that RWS350 magnum that’s in pieces now was barely making more power than the 46.

  • Anonymous Says:

    Thanks for all the feedback guys. I really love (well, okay, like…I love my kids) the looks of the Diana 46ST, so I’ll likely go with it.
    But as an aside, the book I mentioned is fascinating. It’s big (about 400-500 pages) and very technical, being written by a Russian coach (humour does not exist for the guy).
    It starts off with internal/external ballistics then goes into physiology and what all the bones and muscles do when shooting…and how various stances/grip/etc affect accuracy and your ability to stay accurate over the 60 shots in a match.
    For example, he explains how in cold weather (below 16 degree celcius, about 60F) powder actually burns just a little slower. And how if you adjust your shooting to take this into account you can’t leave a fresh round in the rifle anymore than 20 seconds or so because the heat from the barrel will heat the powder in the cartridge and at 300m this will cause a bullet drop of 1.5 cm.
    Good God.
    But still…fascinating reading.
    CowBoyStar Dad

  • volvo Says:

    B. B.

    I freely concede that accuracy trumps all; I was just trying to make a case for the magnum reference. I did not mention accuracy by name, but implied it by stating much over 900 fps in a pellet is pointless.

    Those elite few that are able to do their bidding with a match rifle or one similar in power certainly deserve our respect, but I doubt that is the best avenue for the majority.

    Similarly, I’m guessing most would hesitate to hold a cigarette between their lips to be shot out by the average reader here. (Wayne, I would allow you with your S410 to give it a try – I know you can afford the medical bills)

    I think there is a deserving place for rifles in the high 800 to low 900 fps range in a hunter’s arsenal.

  • Herb Says:

    Chuck:

    RE: rifle/pellet blog

    Yes, I’m writing it now. I was trying to focus on POI shift. Think I have sort of an interesting observation on this.

    Herb

  • Anonymous Says:

    RE: Shooting cigarette

    Bring back the flappers!

    http://www.fotosearch.com/sc/CSP105/1050194/

    ;-)
    Herb

  • BG_Farmer Says:

    Herb,
    Did you find the TF97 LOP to be excessive? The 36-2 (TF97′s big brother) design is delightfully muzzle-heavy, but the stock LOP is so long that it will break your back (at least it did mine); sawing off a bit of the butt-stock made it easy to handle the weight and still balance fine.

    I assume that if Vince said it looked good inside, it was either exceptional or had been tuned by someone; the 36-1 and 36-2 are frequently shipped with poor seals and quickly broken springs, from my own experience and reading of online reviews.

  • volvo Says:

    Herb,

    I may be a devils advocate, but you’re just a little devil. : )

    I was thinking more along the lines of Miss Annie Oakley

  • Anonymous Says:

    BG_Farmer,

    RE: LOP

    Must be having a senior moment. What is LOP??

    Herb

  • ajvenom Says:

    Is the pistol in this blog the same as a crosman P312?

    Is there a hop up adjustment on the crosman P312?

    I was looking at a crosman P30, but wanted a little more speed.

  • Anonymous Says:

    RE: LOP

    Dah…Length of Pull

    No.

    I”m average height 5′ 10 1/2″ (can’t forget that 1/2!)

    The spacing between the trigger and butt plate is exactly the same as my Benji 372. The benji’s right hand grip is smaller, rounder, and more comfortable to me.

    Herb

  • Anonymous Says:

    excuse me gentlemen, but can any of you tell me if the discovery pump that comes with the benjamin discovery air rifle, can be easily adapted to fill a shin sung rifle as well? thank you.

  • Anonymous Says:

    BB,
    I just got my old pro77 repaired (now I’ve got 2). Well the pistol felt solid since the day I bought it, and being as I had 2, torture test. The first test had it submerged in water for 30seconds (it’s 28 degrees in VA today!), took it out and all 19bbs flew out a little less accurately than before. Then I dunked it in the silt at the bottom of the lake, still running 19bbs. Then I dropped a rock that must have weighed 330-35lbs on it, some scratches, little dents and still firing. How did I shoot in 28degree weather, heated the co2 with water and dropped the screw in the oven. Now comes the really bad part,I had to wash it:(. I soaked the slide in some hot water, a tad bit beat up. Then I oiled down the entire gun with some Rusty duck lube (except for seals). I still couldn’t get it all off, but 20,000 rounds and still shooting strong:)
    Shadow express dude

  • Anonymous Says:

    CowboyStarDad,

    I think one practical purpose of the rifle, like some said, is horsepower. You find a pellet that is heavy enough to bring it below subsonic and then you have both accuracy and energy.

    One of the Bob Lee Swagger books has a villain who is a Soviet Olympic Champion and his signature technique is to tighten his adductor magnus muscle to steady himself for a shot. However, this leaves telltale marks where his foot grips the ground that allow him to be identified….

    Matt61

  • BG_Farmer Says:

    Herb,

    Thanks for the opinion on the LOP. Wasn’t trying to be cryptic with abbreviation, but went off to something else right afterwards.

    RE: your PCP calculation. The link that CowboyStarDad posted the other day applied specifically to springer power plant output, but much of the work could be applied to a PCP — it should be even simpler, replacing the piston related stuff with valve characteristics (should be easy to fake:)). If you don’t have Matlab, maybe Scilab or Octave would work?

  • Anonymous Says:

    Matt 61,I'm not positive,but it would seem to me that spec. ops. would use a silenced ,heavy sub-sonic round for "problem solving!"talk about whisper…I would love to work for their R&D,testing [or even sales]I wonder if they use salesmans samples??? FrankB

  • Herb Says:

    BG_Farmer,

    I don’t have any of those math applications.

    In my opinion it was a miracle the kid got as close as he did. His model was too simple, hidden behind a massive number of equations that would be numbing to retest. You’d have to actually see his program and run all the data yourself to really investigate what he did.

    I did think the kid was ingenious in his measurement of the friction between the barrel and the rifling. Not sure if the bore on his gun was choked.

    I think the springer would be the hardest to calculate, a PCP probably the easiest. With a PCP you could generate all sorts of data with different pellets and different pressure levels. Use half a dozen pellets to calibrate math, then make prediction on the other zillion types.

    I’ve done a lot of mathematical modeling for chemical analysis. When you start calculating all sorts of fudge factors for constants to insert into the model you have to be very very careful.

    Herb

  • kevin Says:

    Anonymous,

    Re: Benjamin pump being used to fill a shin sung

    Suggest you talk with Pyramyd Air tech support. There is an adaptor on the shin sung shown on Pyramyd Air’s site but I can’t tell if it fits the benjamin pump.

    PA’s phone number is 888-262-4867

    kevin

  • Steve Says:

    BB – Don't know how to break this to you – but my shrouded ProSport and BSA Lightning XL w/ factory moderator are both quieter than my magnum springers. The unmoderated 'magnum' pieces (R1, 350, 460, chopped Quest) produce sharp blast noises on discharge – and they are staying subsonic, and are not detonating. So, it can just be one of those things you don't have to believe, but is true anyway. I will give you that moderate to low powered springers (<12-13 ft lb) will see no benefit. There has to remain residual high pressure post pellet departure to produce the sound, and weaker guns don't have that.

  • Anonymous Says:

    thank you kevin, your help is greatly appreciated

  • Vince Says:

    Kevin, I’ve played with 34′s but I never ‘detuned’ one. I was always a little iffy (personally) on the whole idea of detuning a fairly largish rifle with a long barrel and a large capacity powerplant. It seems like that’d be an awful lot of gun for a lower level of power.

    BTW – the Avanti 499 shot tubes finally came in. I’m hoping to get one adapted to Wayne’s 100-year-old Markham Model D this weekend.

  • BG_Farmer Says:

    Vince,
    I don’t think there’s any point in making a 34 shoot 500fps, either, but I would guess that with an aftermarket spring like from JM, there would be a point in spacing it where the power output was, e.g., 10% lower than maximum but the firing characteristics were much better than if you tried to get the last 10%.

    That’s where I would stop, and it would technically be a detune, but an improvement in my opinion.

  • Vince Says:

    BG_Farmer, I know what you mean – and JM’s kits seem to generally do that. Although I’d be curious as to how much of that improvement comes from the slightly reduced power and how much comes from the better-fitting parts and better-made parts.

  • CJr Says:

    I assume the ‘shooting a cigarette out of your mouth’ and the Annie Oakley reference was in reference to how Annie Oakley used to shoot a cigarette out of her husband’s mouth for show. I saw a movie clip of it on the Discovery Channel the other night. Now there’s a man you can be sure is not cheating on his wife.
    -Chuck

  • Anonymous Says:

    FrankB,

    My understanding is that the special forces put out a contract for the development of a specialized handgun for them. What they ended up with is a very large handgun that I think is made by HK, and it shoots the old .45 ACP. So, you’re right there. It has some incredible accuracy rating at 50 yards like one or two inches. It’s not a concealed carry weapon but seems designed for some offensive purpose. I’m sure you could find it by Googling.

    Matt61

  • Anonymous Says:

    BB,

    This is OT, I am sorry.
    This is about the power curve blog that has been bugging me since. That blog in fact told me everything about efficiency with pcps.

    I would like to ask then, can I change the heart of fill or power curve? For example, my current heart of fill is occuring at 2850-2600psi, what should I do to have the power curve at much lower pressure, maybe 2000-2500psi.

    From the example of the USFT, I may need a much larger reservoir. But that is not practical with my current rig.

    Thanks.

    Abe

  • Anonymous Says:

    hi i got some random questions.

    1. Can i use a rifle scope on pcp’s and such that dont have reversh recoil.

    2. I know they make frangable bullits for firearms do they make them for pellet guns.
    if not could they make them.

    I dont think they make them but u might know.

    2.do they have electronic scopes that have a video camrea and a scren in a scope tube.Then i wouldent have to worry about my spotweld on the gun. i never herd if there were any such things but thout it is a good idea. it could have setings so u could save the settings and have the abilty to be ably to zero it in for a number of difent pellets,and have it so it had a range finder built in . so u could be set if u did feild target so u could have zeroed it in for difrent ranges and wind speeds.

    this might not make to much sence but was the wondering.

    David

    P.S.im as curis as a cat.

  • Mo Says:

    Off Topic.

    I was helping a reader, Maka, make an informed decision on a new rifle he wants to buy. He has zeroed in on the TX200 with a Leapers 4-16X scope on high mounts.

    However, he had some very specific questions on certain cleaning equipment and pellets that I’m not familiar with.

    Would somebody be able to help?

    The post is here:
    http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/04/air-arms-tx200-part-2.html

    Thanks,

    Mo.

  • FRED Says:

    David,

    as no one got back to you, here are some responses:

    1. Yes, you can use any type of scope, doesn’t have to be air-rifle grade, on a PCP due to the fact there is little to insignificant recoil.
    2.This I can’t help you with – I’ve never heard of anything like it. Perhaps one day as electronics and optics improve further.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    ajvenom,

    I looks very similar to the P312. And the power is the same. This one is just a little cheaper.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Abe,

    Someone could change the performance curve of your gun, but are you the one? I don’t know.

    Lightening the valve return spring is one thing that will lower the pressure curve, but it’s not all. Lightening the hammer and hammer spring also has this affect.

    You really need to send your gun to a top pneumatic airgunsmith like Mac-1.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    David,

    I can help with the video camera. Such a scope does exist. It’s selling for about $1,500 at present.

    This is a case of needing to wait a few years for the technology to become affordable.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    thank you i was just wondering thos 2 things and i couldent get them out of my head david

  • Anonymous Says:

    It’s about $15.00 more, but if you’re looking for a strong, reliable and accurate airsoft pistol I would look at the SIG Sauer SP2022 HPA. I own and shoot both it and the Mk 23 and the Sig is both more accurate and more powerful. The pistol is marketed by Cybergun and made by Kien Well Co. It is heavier in weight and construction and offers better sights. Just a thought. Please keep up the airsoft reviews. I live in a densely populated neighborhood and can shoot airsoft guns far more readily than pellet rifles and pistols. I appreciate reviews from an adult instead of comments about how a certain gun made the reviewer’s little brother bleed. Thanks again

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    OKAY, I need airsoft readers who are willing to talk to me. I have Bob in Hawaii and one or two others, but they are sporadic.

    How about we call you Airsofter, and you keep after me to get some of the reports you want.

    I used to think that because I am not 20 years old I cannot compete in writing about airsoft guns, but what I have discovered is the younger shooters don’t know as much about firearms. So I do okay, as long as I stick to what I know.

    I don’t do as much with airsoft because our readers are more into pellet guns and BB guns, but if there’s interest, I can always do more.

    I’m also the airgun editor for Shotgun News magazine, and I do a monthly column there, as well. About once a year I do an airsoft column and maybe a feature article every other year. So there is more than just this blog.

    I did the SIG Sauer SP2022 in a BB gun and liked it a lot. But I haven’t even looked at the KWC airsoft version. I like KWC, so I’m not opposed to reviewing the gun. Keep after me, please.

    B.B.

  • kevin Says:

    B.B.,

    You continually amaze me. At a time when your cup runeth over you’re asking for more work.

    The new TV show production has to be taking a big bite out of your schedule. Please don’t push too hard.

    You remind me of the cliche’, “If you want something done, give the project to someone that’s busy.”

    kevin

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Kevoin,

    I make offers like this to attract good people like you. If “Airsofter” responds and really works with me, it’s worth it. If not, then I haven’t lost anything.

    The current crop of readers we have is invaluable to the success of this blog.

    B.B.

  • JHannah Says:

    I own a Bejamin Model # 317, a 177 cal. pump air gun, serial #H325887 manufactured in 1966. I sure could use a parts list, schematic / exploded view and parts or knowledge of where I can purchase parts.
    I want to try to restore it because it used to be a great shooter. My dad sent it back to the factory one time a long time ago because it would discharge when bumped. It was repaired at that time and from that time on it performed great. I guess over the years of being stored in an attic it has become in operative.

  • Mr B. Says:

    JHannah,

    Contact Rick Willnecker at 717-382-1481 or airgunshop@Aol.com cause he’s the man who will restore your gun to it’s originl specs. He’s done work for me and currently has two Crosmans in for repairs.
    You posted to a blog that was written 5 Feb. We have a blog written by B.B. Mon-Fri at
    http://www.pyramydair.com/blog. Come join a bunch of folks who are more than happy to help you with any questions you might have. Please join us. Mr B.

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