Leapers green laser

by B.B. Pelletier

There is a new Airgun Reporter video report on the Hammerli Pneuma. See it here.

Okay, now the teaser I promised you in yesterday’s comments:

When the old woman who lived in a shoe opened her home to her sister who had an equally large family, what did she have to do? That’s right, she needed more room. So she traded in her size-nine loafer for a size-46 clown shoe. And when she did that, she thought that it was a good time to say goodbye to all those old socks, and only move the nice new socks.

Can you guess what’s coming? If not, here’s another tip. Last year many of you enjoyed the Pyramyd Air Garage Sale. Some even mentioned they wished they had been there to see them….

Okay, gotta get serious now.

I mentioned Leapers new green laser in my SHOT Show report, and CJr jumped on it! Then Kevin reminded me recently. So, here it goes!


Here is the Leapers green laser in its aluminum carrying case. The Weaver mount is permanently attached, so anything you mount to must have a Weaver base. The laser can be operated directly by a switch in the end of the tube or indirectly by swapping the coiled pigtail end cap for the direct switch. One CR 134A cell is required to operate.

What’s so special about green lasers?
Compared to other colored lasers, the green laser appears approximately five times brighter in daylight and about 20 times brighter at night. Since we’re talking about airgun and, more importantly, airsoft applications, the most common laser color is red.

Laser colors are measured by their wavelengths. A red laser is in the 635 or 671 nanometer (nm) wavelength. A green laser has a 532 nm wavelength, which you can see is noticeably shorter. The human eye responds more (is more sensitive) to light at this wavelength, so the dot is easier to see. At the SHOT Show, I’ve been able to see the dot against the black ceiling girders at ranges out to about 100 meters.

But you will probably not be using the laser in a building with a black ceiling–at least not all the time. What you want to know is how well this laser works outdoors in the real world. Let me demonstrate the difference between a red laser of comparable cost and quality against the Leapers green laser. The red laser is AirForce’s LS-1.

Both of the lasers tested have a maximum output of less than 5 milliwatts. That’s a requirement for the commercial market. By comparison, the industrial laser that put the words on the side of your Gamo air rifle puts out about 25 watts, and the Terminator tried to buy a 40 watt laser when he came back to LA to hunt Sarah Conner. The pawn shop wouldn’t be getting lasers that powerful for another 30 years, so he had to go with a 1911 Long Slide with a laser designator.


Both the red and the Leapers green laser are shown on brick at 6 feet. At this distance, they appear of similar brightness, though the green dot seems larger.


In this shot, both the red and green laser are shown against a dark clapboard at 6 feet. The red dot is an oval from hand movement of the person projecting it, but it is easier to see that the green dot is brighter.


The red dot of the LS-1 has been projected about 40 feet against a fence board in daylight under overcast conditions. Once again, the person holding the laser is shaking. The camera was about three feet from the dot when the picture was taken.


The green dot is projected against the same board under identical conditions. It begins to become evident that the green dot is much brighter at this distance.

More on performance
Outdoors at 40 feet, my wife and I were both able to see both dots against a dark wooden fence on an overcast day, but the red dot was very faint at that point. If seen through a scope, visibility would extend to perhaps 50-60 yards on a similar day.

The green dot was still visible with the unaided eye at 50 yards. Seen through a scope, it would still be visible past 125 yards on an overcast day.

Why a laser?
What could you do with a laser? Well, they’re used as designators–similar to sights but since they project, you don’t have to look through anything. Once the dot is on target, and assuming the gun has been sighted-in, the pellet/bullet should go to the dot. The Terminator uses one in the first movie and Buzz Lightyear has about 10,000 trained on him when he lands on Zur’s planet in Toy Story II.

But why a laser for airguns?
First of all, lasers are highly desired by the airsoft crowd. I shouldn’t have to explain why to them.

For regular pellet guns, there’s a purpose to having a laser mounted. You can sight it in for a close range–one at which your scope would be suffering a huge parallax problem, and leave your scope sighted-in for more distant targets. The US Department of Agriculture hunts feral pigeons nesting on bridge overpasses in big cities. They’re reluctant to stick the barrel of their rifles out the car window most of the time, but they can rest the gun on the seat and use the laser out to 30 feet for deadly shots. The USDA has hundreds of airguns in this service around the US, and they’ve used this technique for a long time.

Pest exterminators might use a laser similarly. When encountering a squirrel in an attic or crawlspace at 20 feet, how nice to just project the dot and shoot. I had a possum on my back porch several nights ago. With my entire arsenal, I had no way of engaging the critter at 15 feet. And so it goes.

Why haven’t we heard of green lasers before now?
Well, if you’re in law enforcement or the military, you’ve heard of them. If you’re a serious airsoft skirmisher, you’ve heard of them by now. But the rank and file is just now getting wind of them because as late as last year most green lasers were selling for upwards of $250-300. And this one sells for under $100. That’s the real news, here. A green laser at an affordable price.

And don’t worry, there are still green laser designators selling for $1,700, so if snob appeal is your thing, there are still some toys for you out there. But the common man can now afford join in the fun.

82 Responses to “Leapers green laser”

  • Anonymous Says:

    I can’t believe you failed to do this. Take a picture from 50 yards away of both lasers side by side. As seen from the naked eye.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Well,

    I can’t SEE the dot at 50 yards in the daylight on the red laser. That would be a big reason.

    40 FEET is just over 13 yards.

    B.B.

  • Dr. G. Says:

    B.B.,

    Looks interesting.

    How about a photograph at 20 or 30 yards on an average day (not cloudy or sunny, but in-between), since these things are supposed to work at that distance.

    If you do decide to go go the trouble of doing that, which I would not put past you, then thank you very much for doing so. It clearly would help me decide on a purchase or two in this instance.

    - Dr. G.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Dr. G.,

    Okay, I will get out on an average day and see at what distance the red laser can be seen. The green I have no trouble with.

    So there might be an update or maybe a whole part 2.

    B.B.

  • kevin Says:

    Everyone,

    This leapers/utg green laser has glowing reviews on the pyramyd air site. One user even claims 100 yards. Remarkable that you can now buy a green laser for under $100.00.

    Paul Capello seems to like the Hammerli Pneuma. Is the Pneuma a rebadged Hatsan AT 44 or vice versa?

    http://www.hatsan.com.tr/at44_10.asp

    kevin

  • Anonymous Says:

    b.b. will this laser mount on a airforce talon ss. thanks eric in ok

  • Herb Says:

    RE: Take a picture … As seen from the naked eye.

    How do you take a picture with the naked eye?

    Cameras are notorious for having a different color sensitivity than the eye. Tom is a good egg to try to give us the scoop on products like this, but this is one case where I’d believe what he says rather than only trust the photographic evidence he can produce.

    Herb

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Eric,

    The laser mounts to a Weaver base. So you will have to put a Weaver base on the gun.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Kevin,

    Hammerli didn’t invent the gun. So it’s probably a Hatsan.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Herb and everyone,

    I think there is some confusion over what is being said about these lasers.

    When I say I can see the green laser at 50 yards, I mean I can shine it on a target 50 yards from me and see the green dot on that target without aid. I cannot do the same with the red laser in daylight. I can just barely see the red laser at 40 feet from my eye in daylight.

    However, those pictures I took were from about 3 feet away. The lasers were both 40 feet away from the fence, but I was standing 3 feet from it holding the camera.

    Now, I did not attempt to project the red or green laser against a target 50 yards away, because I cannot SEE the red laser that far away in daylight with just my eyes. However, if I were to stand 3 feet away from a target the laser was shining on 50 yards away I might be able to see it.

    But if it cannot be seen from the point of origin (i.e. 50 yards) then it is useless as a designator–which is the intended purpose of the laser. If you cannot SEE it, it doesn’t matter whether it is visible at the target.

    Who cares what something looks like when, from your own perspective, it is impossible to see it?

    However, for the record, that is exactly what I told Dr. G. I would attempt to do. We may be able to see the laser dot of the red laser projected from 50 yards away if we take the picture 3 feet from the dot.

    B.B.

  • derrick38 Says:

    BB,

    Let’s get back to the first part of the blog. Who did Pyramyd Air buy out or merging with and when are they moving? Are they staying in Ohio?

    Derrick

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Derrick,

    PA didn’t buy anyone this time. They have been bursting at the seams for a long time and now are fixing it.

    They remain in Ohio. No more details until I tell you all the big story.

    B.B.

  • Gordon McKinney Says:

    At 15ft an iron sight would work.

  • Mo Says:

    Hi Guys,

    I’ve always been meaning to ask this:

    If I have a scope that I really like, but does not have IR, can I mount a red dot in front or back of it to achieve similar results?

    Don’t worry about the mounts or rails. I want to know if it will be possible in terms of parallax and different magnifications on the scope…

    Mo.

  • Herb Says:

    RE: Color & light intensity

    Tom,

    Your additional remarks crystallized the point that I was trying to convey. The camera detects light differently than the eye. In all the photographs that you showed, the laser light is so intense relative to the rest of the image that the spots of laser light are "over exposed" compared to the rest of the image.

    Overexposed to the point where the most intense region looks white not red or green. So to get just the right shot, where you can see both lasers, but neither is overexposed, and the background is visible too, is a tall order.

    So I commend you for being willing to try to give as accurate picture as possible. But I really think this comes down to trust. When you say that Leapers new green laser is significantly brighter than AirForce's LS-1, I believe you.

    That of course isn't to say that the Leapers green laser will be brighter than ANY red laser. There has to be some red laser, which would also cook a hamburger, that would be brighter.

    Herb

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Herm,

    Exactly. That was the point of my mentioning industrial lasers and the Terminator. These lasers are restricted to outputs of less than 5 milliwatts, and at THAT power, the green appears brighter than the red.

    But a more powerful red laser would trounce this green laser. They just are not legal for use in this way.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    RE:BIG STORY
    How exciting, according to Mapquest I live a mere 266 miles away from Pyramid’s Warehouse!!

    -Aaron

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Aaron,

    I live about 1150 miles away, but I plan to be there. I hope you will think of coming.

    B.B.

  • twotalon Says:

    Aaron….
    Only 100 miles for me.
    Very convenient…I recieve merchandise a day after they ship it.

    twotalon

  • Anonymous Says:

    B.B. – If you let me know the dates it would be easier to make the plans to be there.

    I know, no more details…but it was worth a shot :)

    -Aaron

  • twotalon Says:

    B.B.
    O.T.
    My TSS is running full power on 180 bar of air with the PW set on 2. Seems to me that it used to be PW about 6 or so to bring it all the way up.

    I am wondering if this might be an indication that the valve spring retainer is working loose?
    I know that the retainer was loose in the mico tank, and that the retainer turned easily in my spare tank. The spare still needed a PW of 6-7. I “fixed” that one by wrapping a couple turns of teflon tape around the threads to snug it up, then gave the retainer about 1/2 turn after it started having contact with the spring.

    twotalon

  • CJr Says:

    BB,
    Thanks for the green laser post. But, my curiosity has only increased!

    I find it interesting that the red laser is so much harder for you to see at distance yet the photos show it not too much dimmer than the green. Maybe, as Herb is implying, the camera technology is at fault.

    I’m curious to know if Edith has the same trouble seeing the red as you.

    Here’s why I ask:

    Based on the pictures you produced, the red and green are not that much different in brightness for the camera, which is located at three feet, although the green does look a little brighter. Yet, you say you cannot see the red at distance.

    I have a mild colorblindness (cb) issue where reds look gray, usually in low light conditions. I took one of those flash card tests in the military where the card was covered with different colored dots and I was to pick out the embedded numbers. I could not see the numbers. Maybe I saw 3 out of 10. As a followup I took another test where they flashed white, red, and green lights from a device similar to a small stoplight and I had no trouble with that.

    I assure those of you who are reading this on the road that I can see very clearly the red stop light. They are bright enough that I can see them very clearly. Also, if you’re reading this on the road, get off!

    I have heard that men are more susceptible to cb than women.

    I’m wondering if red-as-gray is an issue here with you specifically, too, or maybe even generally with humans.

    For me, the red may turn gray because of the lower light reflecting back at distance. Obviously, it would be invisible against a gray fence. However, based on all I’ve said, I would most likely be able to see a 100 watt red laser dot even if only for a second before it bored right through your fence.

    Based on all this, I would have to go with a green laser.

    -Chuck

  • Mo Says:

    BB,

    I have a huge collection of lasers and recently acquired my first blue one too.

    When it comes to brightness, our eye being less sensitive to Red, Green always appears brighter. I have a 100mW red laser that can pop balloons, light matches and what not. But its easily trumped by my 40mW green. I also have a 600mW green that is probably brighter than any source of light you can imagine.

    The 100mW red is only slightly brighter than your regular <5mW pointers. You wont even notice its different unless you try pointing it on your skin, where it will give a definite sting in about 2-3 seconds.

    On a normal day, the easiest distance to spot the red dot will be about 30 yards. It is visible beyond that, but you will have to really look for it. I have a cheap <5mW red pointer that is visible at similar distances but the dot is much more enlarged. I'd say 15-20 yards would be the max I'd be able to quickly find the dot in daylight.

    The blue however appears dimmer than red at similar outputs and cannot be seen more than a few yards away in daylight.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    twotalon,

    You make sense, but it is very difficult for me to diagnose a rifle’s performance and then pinpoint the reason over the internet.

    When I was at AirForce I set the valve return springs by a digital gauge that measured force in pounds and fractions. I never paid more than cursory attention to how far in the retainer was screwed, Obviously the farther it is down the more preload is on the spring, but I don’t have a sense for how much that is.

    I do think that full power on a power wheel setting of 2 at even a medium pressure like 180 bar seems odd, but without full diagnostics it’s hard to make a call.

    B.B.

  • Mr B. Says:

    B.B.,

    Perhaps I can help since I’ve had a red laser on my Talon SS for months. I have about 20 yards of “range” in my back yard. If the sun is out it is not visible to my eyes.

    I have some metal spinning targets painted white that are fun to shoot with the laser at night. No light in the yard, but the dot sure glows when it hits that white paint.

    I have used the laser and scope at the same time which gives you a sight picture of cross hairs with a red dot at their intersection.

    If you don’t maintain a consistant spot weld the laser and cross hairs don’t line up which makes it a good teaching tool.

    We used to shoot rats at the city dump, up state New York, in the late 50′s and a laser would have been perfect for that.

    Hope this shines some light on the topic–Mr B.

  • CJr Says:

    Mo,
    You were answering my question at the same time I was writing it. Spoooooky! It sounds like it’s we humans who are at fault. Lobby the government – we need more powerful red lasers.
    -Chuck

  • Mo Says:

    Chuck,

    Once you go green, you never go red!

    At any given distance you will be able to see green better than red. Given your reduced sensitivity to red, green would definitely be better for you anyways.

    Also, the red laser dots tend to be elliptical in shape and green is always a perfect round. This has to do with the way the laser is created. The red one is just a collimating lens set in front of a diode.

    The green one has several stages whereby an infrared laser is frequency doubled to produce the 532nm wavelength output. One of these stages has an aperture which creates the perfectly round dot.

    You can see the basic working of a red and green laser here:

    http://zekfrivolous.com/faq/sam/lptrcmp1.gif

    http://zekfrivolous.com/faq/sam/l54-101.gif

    I would suggest a model thats between 10 and 20mW. These will easily be visible at upto 70 yards in daylight.

    But if you hunt at night, using these lasers WILL scare your quarry away and can be seen for miles!

    Mo.

  • Mo Says:

    Chuck! Just saw that! lol.. Spooky indeed…

    Mo.

  • twotalon Says:

    B.B.
    Thanks.
    I will keep an eye on it.
    Will test once on a while with the chrono to see if it is holding still or moving. If it gets down to PW 1.8 I will drain it and tear it apart. The problem will be obvious if I hear the spring and retainer rattling around in the tank, or if there is valve movement with no pressure in the tank.

    twotalon

  • CJr Says:

    Mo,
    You bring up an interesting question about lasers and hunting animals. How much or when can an animal see the laser? What I mean is, can it be seen by an animal if it is not pointed directly at their eyes? Well, I suppose if it’s shining on a tree or something nearby they could but does that little dot beside them startle them or is it the bright light right in their eyes that scares them off.
    -Chuck

  • Mo Says:

    Chuck,

    During the day, if you use the green laser, the animal will hardly notice it. If you shine it near the neck or eyes of a bird, it will fly away.

    However, its a whole different scene at night. I noticed that birds ALWAYS fly away when the laser is pointed anywhere near them. Some animals tend to chase the dot. Some just ignore them. The ones that chase and ignore, usually end up in the bag.

    But the problem arises when you look at the fact that almost all green lasers have visible beams at night. So you stand a chance of being spotted.

    The 5mW green laser has less of a visible beam, but they’re still visible. Contrary to a red laser where you can see the beam only if its pointed directly at you, a green can be seen from all directions from upto several feet away.

    Also animals tend to respond more to green too, than they do so to red. Very similar to us humans!

    Mo.

  • Herb Says:

    Chuck,

    RE: “.. yet the photos show it not too much dimmer than the green.”

    “Based on the pictures you produced, the red and green are not that much different in brightness for the camera, which is located at three feet, although the green does look a little brighter.”

    My point is that the pictures LIE, not Tom. The camera is metering on the background which is reflecting a lot less light than the laser spots. The green and red light you see is off-axis light of the laser which is weaker than the most intense point of the beam. In all the photos, there is a WHITE spot in the photograph at the center of the laser beams. It is because the camera’s sensors are totally overexposed in these pixels. How do you compare one overexposed area to another?

    Now after the camera fouls up the picture, you get to add in the photo compression software. When the photo is compressed, the colored area around the white spot bleeds back into the white. So white becomes pink in the case of the red laser.

    The best picture that Tom could get would be of the red laser at some distance against the background. None of the area of the red laser would be white. Then the green laser would still end up overexposed and looking white at its greatest intensity spot. But to the camera it wouldn’t look that much brighter. If Tom tries to show the green laser so that none of the area is white, then I seriously doubt that you’ll be able to see the red laser at all.

    This is really one of those cases where you have to be able to interpret what you see, not just accept the picture at face value. I just don’t think that Tom could get the absolutely defining shot unless you interpret the photo too.

    Herb

  • twotalon Says:

    To all…
    In this state it is illegal to hunt game with a flashlight or laser attatched to the gun. If the game warden catches you, you are S.O.L.

    For pest hunting you might be able to get away with it…

    twotalon

  • Anonymous Says:

    What could you do with a laser? I could attach it to the head of a shark…for the ULTIMATE killing machine. EVIL….no?

  • Herb Says:

    twotalon,

    60 years or so ago my grandfather got nicked in Michigan for flashlighting deer. He did not have a gun. He wasn’t hunting but checking on something – think he was looking for a cow that was about due to calf. Anyway one of his buddies nicknamed him “Flashlight Pete” and gave him a busted flashlight that emitted “invisible light” with which he could hunt.

    This was well before IR LEDs and nightvision goggles. So the wag wasn’t too far off the mark.

    Herb

  • Anonymous Says:

    B.B.

    So, the increased visibility of the green is due entirely to its color and not to any extra power that Leapers has harnessed into the powerplant. How strange.

    And why is it that pros use only lasers that can be seen with night vision? That seems to bring an expensive additional requirement into play. Besides, I thought part of the purpose of lasers is to intimidate the opposition. Is it meaningful to speak of a color that can be seen with night vision?

    Matt61

  • Mo Says:

    Herb,

    Any green laser above 10mW has a facula that appears white to the human eye too.

    Look long enough at one coming from a cheap green laser and you end up with a headache. Cheap lasers also wont have an IR filter and stand a high risk of possible damage to the eye. The eye is only sensitive to visible light and wont blink if power IR enters the retina. The end result would be a burnt retina.

    The reason most of the camera’s get overexposed is cause of the IR in the laser. Cheap lasers do not have an IR filter and use the IR output to add to the advertised mW. For example a cheap green laser advertising 5mW will have about 4mW of IR and only about 1mW of green. Its primarily the IR that causes over exposure.

    However, if you want to capture the actual brightness of a green laser, photograph it through a red filter.

    For a red laser, one can use a green filter.

    Mo.

  • twotalon Says:

    Herb
    Interesting story.
    You can get busted for the same thing here. Spotting, jacklighting, shining or anything else you want to call it is illegal if you have a gun or not.

    twotalon

  • Mo Says:

    Correction: Its blue goggles for red lasers.

  • CJr Says:

    Matt,
    “And why is it that pros use only lasers that can be seen with night vision?”

    Who are the pros you’re talking about? Military, law enforcement?
    I’m not 100% sure of this but pros may be using something that doesn’t ruin their biological night vision and/or give away their position. Even a split second flash across a room could give away your location.

    But then, there may be better answer from a pro – unless it’s classified.
    -chuck

  • Anonymous Says:

    twotalon – What state are you in?

    -Aaron

  • twotalon Says:

    Aaron..
    Ohio. Northwest side near Tiffin.

    twotalon

  • CJr Says:

    I was looking at Pyramydair’s description of the green laser and it says it comes with 3 button batteries yet one of the reviews stated: “Uses a fairly expensive “N” type battery, but comes with one.”

    Inaccurate description?? Wrong product being reviewed??

    -Chuck

  • Herb Says:

    RE: Light sensitivity

    See:

    http://powertechnology.com/PDFs/WP_eyecolorsensitivity.pdf

    for curve showing eye sensitivity to color.

    ——

    Mo, thanks for the additional information. the limit of 5mW output power is the key.

    Although I absolutely agree about the filters, that is my point. Good photographers know how to manipulate the camera to create the shot that they want.

    All in all I just didn't want to see Tom chasing his tail trying to do the impossible. He is NOT trying to mislead us with the photos. I know enough about science to know that the photos which various readers want are very very difficult to obtain.

    ——-

    Chuck,

    RE: But then, there may be better answer from a pro – unless it's classified.

    We night vision just amplifies light that is already there. So night vision wouldn't give your position away. You could also use IR. Security cameras use IR LEDs to illuminate since it is easy to get enough IR light to get a B&W photo. Human eyes can't see IR. So camera isn't giving itself away in this circumstance either.

    —-

    And I swore to myself that I'd stay out of this today. Oh well I'll try to be quiet tomorrow. Just love science through.

    Herb

  • FRED Says:

    Off Topic – just got an e-mail that PA has received a shipment of JSB Exacts. Not all weights or calibers but those of you who need them might want to go on site – now – as I waited over 3 months for them to come in.

  • mechredd Says:

    I have a Viridian green laser for my Walther P22. I have a picture of the dot on a tree about 30 yards away, it was mid day and the laser super was super easy to see and bright enough to be captured by a cheep cell phone camera.

  • CJr Says:

    Matt,
    I have another unsubstantiated answer for the night vision thing. It assumes that you are saying that pros are wearing an optical low-light night vision apparatus and using a laser type light of some kind, at the same time.

    If so I’m wondering if the comparatively bright dot of a “standard” red or green dot laser is bright enough that it would over power a pair of low-light night vision goggles.

    Night vision is used in totally dark environments so just a little bright light could maybe wash out the night vision and make them temporarily useless or temporarily blind the user.

    So they would have to use a designator that was in either a hypo or hyper light spectrum.

    -Chuck

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Chuck,

    Yes, that description about three button batteries is incorrect. PA will correct it.

    The laser comes with one CR123A and they are relatively cheap, plus these low-output lasers will shine 20 hours continuous with one. My AirForce laser is four years old and I play with my cats with it all the time and the battery has never been replaced.

    B.B.

  • Mo Says:

    Matt,

    The primary reason to use Infra Red designators is so that the user will be wearing night vision goggles.

    Looking at a bright laser while wearing night vision goggles will temporarily blind/disorient you. Hence they use Infra red lasers that of a particular wavelength that the goggles are sensitive to.

    The second reason is that, while training an invisible laser on a target, it is not visible to anybody else unless they’re wearing night vision goggles too.

    Moreover, all night vision goggles are sensitive to only certain wavelengths of IR. If you use a designator emitting a particular wavelength of IR, visible only to the goggles you’re wearing, you stand an advantage.

    Most military ops use invisible lasers to paint targets when they risk being seen.

    However, high powered green lasers are used to intimidate targets without causing any permanent harm. The military uses a laser pointer with adjustable lens so that the spot is big enough to cover a face and disorient them. This laser is available to the public too!

    Mo.

  • Anonymous Says:

    BB,
    There was a guy who took apart his Xbox 360 and replaced the laser in the Xbox with the laser in his PPK/S. He was lighting candles with it.
    Shadow express dude

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Guys,

    An IR laser make the operation more covert. Sometimes you want to intimidate the target and other times you don’t want them to know you are there. Since the human eye doesn’t see IR, you can lase someone without their knowing it.

    Imagine the possibilities.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    SED,

    Why would anyone want a candle in their Xbox 360?

    B.B.

  • CJr Says:

    Herb,
    “And I swore to myself that I’d stay out of this today. Oh well I’ll try to be quiet tomorrow.”

    Don’t go getting all thin-skinned on us, now. You always have useful comments. I’ve only seen one complaint, and that was directed at no one specific, and that was from someone who’s apparently still trying to form some kind of intelligent opinion.

    -Chuck

  • Anonymous Says:

    RE: want a candle in their Xbox 360

    Same guy who likes the retractable cup holder in his PC.

  • CJr Says:

    BB,

    I just bought a CR123A battery for my mom’s camera. The Coppertop cost $9.99 and the Walgreen’s version was $8.99.

    I use the same battery in my scuba tank first stage transmitter for my remote dive computer and it lasted for two years (but it only has to transmit about 10-15 feet). That’s 20+ hours of continuous transmitting, though. I don’t know how long it had been on the shelf before I bought it.

    -Chuck

  • Anonymous Says:

    bb,

    i was wondering if you knew when the new gamo gun was coming out…i think it was the socom, or something like that…like a more tactical looking whisper with a full barrel shroud.

    DED

  • derrick38 Says:

    Thanks for the reply earlier, BB.

    Derrik

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    DED,

    I know the gun you mean. It should be out soon, but I don’t have a date. Soon means by May, which is just over 1.5 months away.

    B.B.

  • kevin Says:

    B.B.,

    If you want to do Pyramyd Air a favor, suggest they stock JSB Exact, Jumbo Heavy (18 grains) pellets (black tin). These are the hot pellets now in many pcp guns. They will sell whatever they can stock.

    I sent an email to PA weeks ago with the same suggestion but I’m sure you carry much more clout.

    kevin

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Kevin,

    I will do that, but you need to know that JSB pellets take an incredibly long time to come in. Pyramyd may order a million pellets and only receive a quarter of that. And they vanish as soon as they hit the shelves.

    But I will forward your request.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    This looks very good. It looks like I can mount one of these under the scope on my DPMS flat top
    rifle. The scope mount is very high. Do you know how tall the lazer is?

    Thanks.

    Mike

  • DB Says:

    B.B.,
    If you do a part 2 on this item. Please cover the adjustments. Ease of use and such.

    The lasers I’ve use are on the low price end and the adjustments stink.

    DB

  • Anonymous Says:

    BB,thank you for mentioning perhaps the best use of all for the red laser,playing with cats!!!Catnip and a laser are a fun combo…I knew a guy in Ft.Lauderdale who used to rollerblade in a big parking lot pulled by an 80lb german shepherd “puppy” chasing a laser pointer dot.if he let the dog think he caught it on the grass,the dog would immediately dig a hole where he last saw it!My cats could reach about 5 ft up the wall when competition got going good.I miss my cats…FrankB

  • Anonymous Says:

    Word verification:OUTTAMI….as in thats enough-outtami FrankB

  • Anonymous Says:

    I don’t know what pros I’m talking about. It’s hearsay.

    Yes, I see the applications for the IR at night. However, that set-up will not work in the daytime, so there must be a regular visible laser that I guess would be green.

    Gabe Suarez, the respected firearms writer, has written that lasers are toys and seems to advocate only red dot sights. However, this can’t be a universal opinion.

    This makes me wonder if the red dot sights would be better off with a green dot.

    Matt61

  • Anonymous Says:

    BB
    thanx for the info,didn’t know green was easier to see.that makes a change on my wishlist:)
    FrankB
    know what you mean about the cats,we have 1 large white male and 5 medium females,he’s a lucky fella!
    they all love the laser pointer,even trained one female to turn off the lights with it.now she hits the light switch just for fun,usually in the room where the better half is working.I really catch the flack about that:))

  • CJr Says:

    Matt,
    When you asked if “green dot sights would be better than red” I’m assuming you’re not talking about lasers anymore but the “red-dot scopes”.

    I have a Wal-Mart special Tasco Pro red/green-dot scope. The red works better for me because for some reason the green looks smeared at any setting. The red on the #2 setting works the best for me because it makes a nice clean pinpoint dot that I can easily superimpose on the target and see what I’m aiming at. Any number higher blocks too much of the target. The green, as I said, looks smeared and is harder for me to use. This may be because “you get what you pay for”. I also have a regular scope with red/green cross hairs and I don’t like either in my house, I go with the black, but if I had to choose one I’d choose the red crosshairs because they are less distracting.

    However, if I was to go with a laser I would probably choose green because I think it would be easier for me to see at distance.

    -Chuck

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Mike,

    From the bottom flat of the mount to the top of the laser is 1.15″.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    DB,

    I guess I will do a Part 2 on this laser. I have the 50-yard test to do and now the adjustments, as well.

    B.B.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Frank B.,

    My female cat loves to jump up the wall after the laser dot. Of course I make it “fall” when she does. She gets up about 4 feet.

    She’s also taught herself to turn on the lights when she’s feeling frisky.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    How many inches long is the utg green laser. Is it to big for a pistol?

    R7 Dude

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    R7 Dude,

    It’s just under 4-5/8″ long. Too big for a 1911 or an M9 but probably okay on a Desert Eagle.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    bb,

    thanks..i can’t wait for it to come out…it was love at first site when i saw the pic in this blog, lol.

    DED

  • mechredd Says:

    I don’t think Microsoft covers candles in their “Red Ring of Death” warranty.

  • Anonymous Says:

    ^^^^

    HAHAHA!

    DED

  • ajvenom Says:

    I think lasers are nice for close quarter pest control…like on rats……etc..

    Then you can leave your scope set up for long range small game like rabbits and squirrels.

  • NiTr0_FiSh Says:

    BB,
    I bought a dovetail/trigger mount red laser last fall for my 2250. Was made by ssi & sold at a local discount store.

    The problem I ran into was the adjustments – 3 small allen screws on the end cap of the laser. I found with 3 adjusting screws it was almost impossible to sight in for both windage & elevation! Did you have an opportunity to 'sight in' the green Leapers laser on a rifle? If so did it adjust reasonably well – and like a scope with 2 adjustment screws? Thanks for your report, BB.

  • NiTr0_FiSh Says:

    BB,
    I just looked at the Pyramid Air link you originally posted for this laser – Leapers new green laser – and it has 2 adjusting screws for windage/elevation. This unit looks like a good one that adjusts windage & elevation in a normal and predictable way.

    For any of you considering the cheap red laser at your local WalMart – beware. The trigger mount/dovetail mount ssi red laser (I believe it was sold under the daisy brand) has 3 adjusting screws for windage/elevation – making it very hard to sight in.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    NiTr0_FiSh,

    Yes, Leapers has the adjustment screws. I didn’t mount it on anything, so I haven’t adjusted it, but I will report on adjusting in the second part.

    B.B.

  • Anonymous Says:

    I am interested in 10 meter Competition shooting can you suggests a 10 meter Competition rifle for an adult male that will not break the bank. Someone suggested the Avanti 853 Legend but I am not sure if this if for an adult.

  • B.B. Pelletier Says:

    Bronx,

    I answered this question in the other place you posted it–if that was you. Please go there and read that answer.

    B.B.

  • green lasers Says:

    i also install green laser on my pps, it can raise the rate!

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