Haenel Model 1 – Part 4A compulsive airgun buy!

by B.B. Pelletier

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

Before we start today’s report, another word about the Pyramyd Air moving sale on Saturday, May 30. Or rather a picture. This was sent to me by Pyramyd Air owner, Josh Ungier. It is one of several WALLS of airsoft guns they will have for sale.


There will be many more piles of airsoft guns like this. These have all been expertly repaired.

For those who tuned in late, this sale will feature all the old stuff Pyramyd Air doesn’t want to drag to the new building they bought. There will be plenty of airguns, parts, accessories and more. If you want to buy new things (things online now) from them, bring a list of what you want. They will also sell new stuff to you. You will not be able to enter the warehouse, so that list of things is important. All the sale items will be located where you can look them over at your leisure.

Okay, let’s get into the accuracy test for this old Haenel. It was a perfectly calm day and I set up a target at 25 yards. The top velocity of the rifle is below 400 f.p.s., so I didn’t see the need to stretch it out any farther than that.

How does she shoot?
This old gal was rebuilt and refinished by Jim, who did a fine job of it. But I wondered how it would behave in .22 caliber since the small powerplant seemed better-suited to .177. This test would tell. The firing is solid, with just a thump at the end of the piston stroke. The trigger is a single-stage and has a long pull you can feel, but absolutely zero creep. It’s hard to get started, but once moving, it pulls through rather easily.

RWS Hobbys
The first pellet I tried was the RWS Hobby, which at less than 12 grains is very light for a lead pellet. You’ll recall in part three they were the fastest pellet tested, going an average of 385 f.p.s. Surprisingly the sights were pretty close to “on” at 25 yards. The first group I shot was also the best group of the day, at 1.438 inches for five shots.


Hobbys provided the best group of the day, at 1.438 inches for five shots.

RWS Meisterkugeln
I tried RWS Meisterkugeln pellets next. Only three of five pellets hit the target paper. That was a new experience for me! Needless to say, they were retired quickly.


Meisterkugeln hit the target only three times out of five.

Check the technique
By this time, I was being very careful to check my holding technique, although I suspect this rifle doesn’t really need it. Both the Hobbys and the Meisters fit the breech very loosely, so I hoped a larger pellet might do better. But Hobbys are already large. What else was larger?

Beeman Silver Bears
Beeman Silver Bears are larger than Hobbys, it turns out. And they’re less than a grain heavier, so they might have been the ones I was looking for.


Five Silver Bears went into this 2.711-inch group.

But no, they proved not to be. Stringing more vertical than horizontal, the Silver Bears grouped in 2.711 inches for five shots.

I then shifted back to Hobbys, but this time there are only four holes in the target. One of them is open to a greater extent than the other three, so it’s possible the fifth shot went through it, but I can’t see any positive evidence.


Four (or five) Hobbys went into this 2.077-inch group. It’s taller than it is wide, though, which means I might not have been able to see the sights very well.

I was going to shoot 20 shots for you with the Hobbys; but after losing one pellet off the target (maybe), I decided against it. The vertical stringing of the group is indicative of a poor sight picture.

The bottom line seems to be this. The Haenel Model 1 is a nice old vintage springer that would be okay in .177 but is maybe too underpowered for the .22-caliber it’s in. A couple groups seem to string vertically, which means I’m not getting a good, repeatable sight picture.

For me, this now becomes a plinking rifle. It’s a minute-of-pop-can gun at 20 yards and a Necco wafer blaster at 10–for me. I’ll treat it for what it is–a fine vintage air rifle that’s been brought back to life by a very skilled craftsman.

66 thoughts on “Haenel Model 1 – Part 4A compulsive airgun buy!

  1. I seem to remember that the Haenel I did for Wayne was able to do under 1/2″ at 10 yards, but that one was running a bit quicker (mid 400′s, as I remember). Never tried it at longer ranges, though.

    This was all with Gamo Match, which are heavier than the Hobby’s. I wonder if your spring is a bit on the tired side.





  2. B.B.

    I like your attitude….

    “I’ll treat it for what it is–a fine vintage air rifle that’s been brought back to life by a very skilled craftsman.”
    I’ve got a lot of them I feel that way about..

    But mostly, Vince gets them shooting ACCURATELY and smoothly.. I’d bet he could get the group size cut in half for you..

    The one he did for me will do better than those groups offhand, even with my bad eyes and unsteadiness..

    Vince,
    I just got the box full of your latest work, I’ll be testing them today and let you know if your fired or not:-)

    B.B.
    I’m with you, wondering about the usefulness of .22 cal at 400fps.. I’m amazed at how many of the old Diana rifles and their clones are in .22cal at 400fps…

    I think I’d rather have about 550fps in .177 from the same powerplant.. I find you can always shoot a 10.6 kodiak, 10.2 JSB or 10.5 CPH, if the gun can handle it.. but the bottom line is.. it ain’t a supposed to be hunting gun!!

    Wayne,
    Ashland Air Rifle Range



  3. Try to test with the original breach seal or size down the new one a little. Some guns I’ve run into will not shoot well if there is too much o-ring material to bounce off of.

    It is a delicate balance between sealing the pressure in and loosing accuracy I have found.


  4. Wayne, I appreciate the plug but perhaps not. If there barrel is beat there’s really nothing to be done, short of a re-barrelling.

    After all, that old Tell that I did for you doesn’t shoot that well…


  5. BB,
    Scaling back to 10M, you probably would have gotten less than 1/2 inch groups with the first group of Hobby’s. Even what you got at 25 yards isn’t all that bad, considering you were using WC’s and any wind there may have been. I would guess that a light .22 WC at low velocity is very susceptible to cross winds. It does look like there was a sighting or hold issue on the last group of Hobby’s as well — the horizontal spread is tantalizing there.


  6. That gun is older than I am, but she is still a good looking gal. As far as cooking…I can cook for myself if I have to but very rarely do I get to cuddle with such a fine lady.

    On another note, You’re saying 400fps is low for .22 – my .177 953 now is shooting Hi: 453fps; Lo: 440fps on a string of 12 shots with Pelgunoiled 8.2 Meisterkugelns. Does this sound right? It’s advertised at 560 so I’m losing an awful lot of power somewhere. Anything I can check? I can’t find any chrony history for my gun so I don’t know what it was shooting before I got the chrony.

    Hmmm…word verification “pubic”.

    -Chuck


  7. Chuck,

    Have you adjusted the pump head since you got the rifle? It sounds like it’s way out. Is the head even adjustable? I find nothing about it in the manual, but even the 717 is adjustable.

    And oil the head with Pellgunoil while you’re at it.

    B.B.


  8. I don’t think I did anything to the crown on that rifle, if I recall correctly. It could probably benefit from the brass screw technique. It’s conceivable that in the 80+ years this one’s been kicking around, it may have received a knock or two on its muzzle.

    And for those who question the usefulness of 400 fps in .22, I invite you to suspend an empty soda can from a string, and count shots to cut it in half. Now try it with a higher powered rifle, and see which one does it in fewer shots. The low-and-slow wins every time, because the pellet makes big satisfying rips, while the more powerful gun just punches clean holes.

    Jim in PGH


  9. Jim,

    Good Point!!

    Now, I’m more happy to have all those old .22 cal classics!!

    That actually sounds like a fun contest.. I’ll add it to the list for the 100 gun “airgun arcade”..

    Wayne
    Ashland Air Rifle Range


  10. BB,
    Thanks for the pump head info. No I have not adjusted it and don’t even know how to go about doing it. You asking me that is like me asking my 90 year old mother if she could add additional memory to my computer:)

    Ahh, more to learn. It never ends (fortunately).

    -Chuck


  11. This is a comment pertaining to an archived post from a long time ago, but I figured someone might be able to help. Are there any affordable options, or even any options at all, for a peep sight that will fit a Daisy 880, or any other rifle with a similar dovetail?
    Thanks,
    Sean


  12. Kevin,
    I called PA and they recommended the 100mm side wheel for my scope. My scope is bigger than yours. Hah! I wish I had a nickle for every time I said that.
    -Chuck



  13. B.B.

    I would have expected better from such a pedigree, but you never know what might have happened to an individual copy.

    Jim in PGH, how interesting. I’ve taken to shooting the black pasties that come with Shoot NC targets to practice my first shot accuracy. The IZH 61 will blow them off the target in a satisfying way while the B30 at 900 fps will only make holes.

    Dr. G, no need to get a headache over my shooting schedule; here it is. Shooting is 7 days a week. I go in a three day cycle designed to get maximum use out of all my guns. The basic target is the back of the official NRA 10m air rifle target cut to fit the Crosman 850 trap. I evenly space four rows of three dots on the target, each dot about the diameter of a pencil eraser, for a total of 12 dots. Each shot gets a 10 shot group. Day one divides the 12 dots between my IZH 61 and B30for a total of 120 shots. Day two, I use two powerlets worth or 120 rapid fire shots from the Crosman 1077 on half of the dots and the IZH 61 on the other half, and sometimes I throw in another 20 shots for the B30 for a round total of 200 shots. Day three is 60 shots from the Daisy 74 and one powerlet or 80 from the Walther Nighthawk plus 20 and a few isolated shots from the IZH 61 and the same for the B30 for another 200 or so. Weekends, I accelerate the sequence to two sessions per day. Each session will take under an hour. I’ve taken to regulating the time between shots along with what I do with each shot so that everything is exactly the same. So, for example, with the IZH 61, I will take one breath, exhale half, place the crosshairs just above the dot, lower it on to the dot, pausing for just a split-second, press the trigger, follow-through, lower the rifle, rack the lever, shoulder the rifle and repeat.

    When finished, I will smoothly pivot, placing the rifle in the case, place four empty clips into my Crosman pouch, cover the lid of my ammo tin and place it exactly in line with the waiting ammo tin I have on deck, place the pouch in the rifle case directly behind the rifle stock, lower the lid, snapping two locks in place. Then, I will carefully sidestep past my box, don my surgical mask, place my trap on its back, vacuum all the pellets. Discipline, order, precision, ha ha ha.

    I’ve been at this for about a year and a half. As for the reward, you’re right about its being relaxing. I’ve taken to heart and tried to cultivate the words of legendary Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock who talked about getting into an impenetrable bubble when shooting: “It’s never hot or cold on the range, it’s never wet or dry…” In my earlier shooting career, a bad shot would freak me out, and then I would get freaked simply by watching the sights move around on the target. Now, nothing interferes with my system which is unstoppable, unchangeable, eternal(!)

    The IZH 61 is as accurate as anything else. For 10 shots at 20 feet, I usually get one hole groups, more or less ragged with cloverleafing; I suppose they measure less than an inch. I don’t actually sit in my box. That would be too much like a Samuel Beckett play. I just poke the muzzle in there. I’ve settled on RWS Hobby pellets. I haven’t noticed much difference between pellets for the range I shoot at, and the Hobbies are cheap. The B30 is the exception for which I use JSBs. Accuracy is not perceptibly different from the Beeman Field Target Specials, but they fit the bore better.

    BG_Farmer, yes, I remember the luxury of using one clean bull per target on my old rifle team.

    Deadeye, I felt the same way as you about getting a 1911, so I just went ahead and did. It’s a wonderful gun, and though powerful, I’m finding with very limited practice time that it’s quite controllable which is the gripe I’ve heard about this caliber.

    Matt61



  14. BG_Farmer,

    I meant to say one bull per shot.

    Dr. G, I forgot to say my shooting is offhand. There’s no room for anything else, and I figured it would make all the other positions seem easier when I get out to the range.

    Matt61


  15. Everybody,

    Sean asks about mounting a peep sight on a Daisy 880. There are plenty that may fit the dovetails, but are there any that will work right with the 880′s front sight?

    Sean is a new reader who found an old posting and I invited him to come here to ask his question.

    B.B.


  16. Matt, great post, and I love the quote from the marine sniper.
    I have a similar routing.
    I get home from work about 5PM, have a bite and watch the early news. At 6:30 I’m in my basement range till 7:30. And like you I have a regimen. First is the 853C, then the Gamo Compact. 20 practice/sighting shots followed by 20 ‘serious’. All at 30′ at ISSF official targets.
    These are every day. Then on alternating days it’s either 40 shots with the Slavia or a cylinders worth on the CP99.
    Like your sniper my goal has been to be in a state where all the stresses of the day fade away and it is just me, the gun and the target.
    Am slowly getting there.
    CowBoyStar Dad


  17. Chuck RE:953
    I don’t know why the fps. numbers are different between 9,8,753′s as the internals all appear to be the same.the 7,853′s only show 510 fps.
    and you know how factory vel. claims usually go.so I doubt the 953 can be even close to 560.mid 400′s would be closer to the truth with avg. wt.pellets.

    If you do decide to up the fps. the only reliable mod I can find is filling the piston face.It is dished out about the depth of a quarter or a bit more.you can gain
    ~20 fps. by filling it in.

    One warning though,I’ve read that people who went to the trouble of serious modding on the 953 to get over 550 fps, have been disappointed because it stresses the pump lever and accuracy goes away.could have something to do with barrel twist rates”?”

    Disassembly of the 953 is easy but watch out for the plastic plunger that holds the piston as it seems kinda flimsy on mine.
    Mine is capable of one holers at 20 yds. benched so I can’t see doing more than oiling and shooting
    but I do like to tinker sometimes:)
    Good luck with whatever you decide.
    cause these are cheap and fun guns.

    JTinAL


  18. I am mostly a skimmer now a days. Pictures, the first sentence of a paragraph and a few comments.

    So forgive me if I have picked up some bad info, but here it goes.

    Today,
    My first impression was that Wayne had sent in another guest blog. I even reasoned that possibly these were his targets to go up against my 499 at 6 meters. Shot with the S410 and glass that can see craters on the moon, I felt improvemenrnts were being made. Big W – Time to get that book back out.

    Bg farmer,
    Get a PCP. Seriously. You don’t even need a Chrony. While I shoot dang near everything over a Chrony just to watch the numbers change, as noted the real test is when the pressure is low enough that the shots start to fall and bug you. This is when the fill gauge on the rifle is nice; just check the amount of air it has to have before it is out of gas. Without the gauge you need to count pellets. As far as 80 shots per fill, a bunch of rifles that are not FAC powered in .22 will do that. For some reason .177 gets less shots in most rifles. Probably has something to do with fairies.

    My final argument is that they are simple enough for me to figure out. Seriously.

    Kevin,
    I’ll take a looker any day. I can order takeout food without the vice squad showing up.

    Slow .22 cal,
    .177 is more versatile in a low power rifle, but as the good Dr Beeman stated .22 gives more of whack to inanimate objects. You can certainly rationalize the need for anything. One of my favorites is to tell people they deserve it. You would be amazed how easy it is to sell an item when the person “deserves it”

    Christmas,
    I ordered a couple of the 25 year Christmas Story rifles from the Daisy Museum. They will make nice gifts or collectables. Wayne, plan ahead for those Grandkids and pick a few up.




  19. Volvo,
    I found a PCP rifle with a feature I like: FX Cyclone with 3 position power settings. Wayne said they weren’t very accurate, though:).

    Been flip-flopping on the PCP thing a while, I know. Really don’t have an urgent need for one unless it fits my exacting requirements.


  20. CowboyStar Dad,

    Thanks. I’m jealous of your 30 foot range. I have tried shooting at the official 10m air rifle target at my distance and reasoning my way to an equivalent score, but it’s not the same.

    There are some shots where I know when I press the trigger as sure as I know anything that the shot will land exactly on target. So, I reason, if all the parts for the perfect shot are inside, there’s no immediate need to spend a ton of money on external equipment like a pcp, beautiful as they may be.

    Matt61


  21. Derrick,

    Good heavens, your blog reads like one of the gunsmithing books that I’ve read. Those are great mods, and it’s fascinating to see the way the front sight disassembles. No way would I have the guts to try that myself.

    You’re right about the light weight. That’s the only thing that allows the B30 to keep up. But the rifle is very nicely balanced in its own way, so I would be careful to see if a muzzle break changes that.

    That’s great work. Thanks for passing it on.

    Matt61


  22. Bg Farmer,

    I am sure you will take the PCP plunge someday.

    Given the price of ammo, a little pumping goes a long way. I finally ran out of fodder for my Smith and Wesson J frame in .357 magnum. The last box of .38 special I used had a price tag of $7.99. (Possibly from Y2K?) The new stuff was $27.99 and I got the last two boxes. This was not hot P++ or anything fancy. No 9mm or 45 auto even on the shelves.

    volvo


  23. BB,
    Funny thing….
    I used to belong to an indoor golf league. We hit real golf balls with our own golf clubs into a screen and it would show a video of the ball flying through the air and landing where the sensors in the floor thought it should go. Then it would give you stats and show clubhead position etc.

    Anyway, when you first start to play you enter your name in the computer and when it’s your turn the machine calls out your name. In my case, the machine would never call out Chuck. It always call me by a number instead. I was golfer number 4, or golfer number 2, which ever position I signed in as. It would not attempt my name. I never tried to enter any other variation like Charlie or Charles so I don’t know if they would have worked or not. After a couple beers I didn’t care anyway.

    -Chuck


  24. JTinAl,
    Thanks for the 953 info. I guess I’m not interested in pushing the 953 beyond its limits. I’m not that much of a risk taker. But I am interested in getting what it’s supposed to give. So for now I’ll just go the oiling route. I enjoy shooting it too much to start tinkering yet. I just know if I tinker it’ll be down for a while.

    -Chuck



  25. Sean with the Daisy Model 880,

    Did a little research to determine if there is a peep sight that will work on your model 880. Some people have modified the williams peep sight but the modification required work on the rail and it’s apparently plastic on the 880?

    The Daisy model 977 is almost identical to the model 880 but the 977 has a rifled barrel and came with a peep sight. Manufacturing of the 977 ended in 1983 but the sight can still be purchased from Pyramyd Air. Before you buy the peep sight you may want to talk to someone in the Pyramyd Air Tech Support department and verify that this will fit the 880. Here’s the info on the sight:

    http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=320

    kevin


  26. Kevin,
    I have that sight on a 499. It doesn’t have dovetails, so it is not a simple bolt on for an 880. The other concern is the front sight is a little wide and possibly low.



  27. Kevin,

    Honestly, I think he lives with the open sights that came with it or add a scope. Williams makes a nice line of peeps that will work on dovetails, but they cost more than the rifle.

    I think PA has a Mendoza peep that is less, but you still have the possible front sight issue. That would be his best bet if his heart is set on only a receiver sight.

    Can’t make orange juice from apples.


  28. BB,
    I oiled the pump head with pelgunoil. My fps are now: Hi-462; Lo-445. Before they were Hi-453; Lo-440. Some improvement but not a whole lot. Maybe that all she’s got normally.

    Looking at the pump head, with the lever fully extended, I see what must be the metal head with an o-ring around it, the o-ring protrudes slightly, behind that there is a sponge rubber ring about 1/4″ thick flush with the metal. I put two drops of oil on the o-ring and put about four drops on the sponge rubber which immediately soaked it up completely.

    Should I use more oil on the o-ring? Should I keep oiling the sponge rubber til it quits soaking it up?

    This sounds like a question you’ve been asked a thousand times. Maybe I’m the last. :)

    -Moth…Chu…er…Chuck


  29. Volvo, Matt61, Chaz (Hmmm, that’s NOT better than Mother Chucker)

    Thanks for the kind words. Gotta come clean though–I’m still under a year using a lathe. On the bench
    lathe, the learning curve isn’t too bad, but you really have to learn to crawl before you can make complex parts for a jet fighter. I’m not even near high school shop class proficient yet.

    I take absolutely no credit either. anotherairgunblog is the brainchild of real deal machinist, Nick Carter. I think he’s been letting me post a little bit so he gets some comic relief. If you think I’ve got some cool tools, hoo boy! Pull up a chair and go through some of his work in the last year. It’s over 200 posts of insane airgun repair and custom parts.

    Matt61,

    Put 1/5 or 1/4 pound on the end of the IZH 61′s muzzle and sight it on the target. Keep your sight picture for 10 seconds. Remove the weight and try it again. I think you’ll find that the additional weight makes the muzzle move slower which will help your scores. All serious target rifles and pistols shot offhand are muzzle heavy for that reason. Once you try it, it’s hard not to notice the weight when it’s absent.

    Everyone,

    As I read all the comments everyday, it’s gratifying that you guys like the work. Thanks again for checking it out.

    word verification: “gutsy”

    Derrick



  30. Everyone,

    We are aware that the Thursday blog did not publish this morning. Blogger updated their software last night and we may have a problem.

    Please know that we are actively trying to resolve this problem.

    B.B.




  31. Matt61,

    Thanks for responding with so much attention, I expected nothing less.

    I find it very interesting that you typically notice no difference in pellets with certain guns, as all of my pellet airguns, including 2 850 CO2 rifles, have preferences. I end up testing about 20 different pellets for every gun.

    I suspect that if you used a scope and bench shot your airguns (or whatever military back of the hand hold is best for each gun) then you would discover that there are preferences. What do you think?

    Do you ever use a scope, or is there no need at that range? For 33 feet I must use a minimum of 2x and whenever possible either 12x or about 20x or I have no enjoyment…I only shoot sitting on a chair with my feet resting on a box directly in front of the chair, my elbows end up on my legs…this is the “basement hold.” For extra challenge, I turn about 45 degrees and remove the box, so that my feet end up on the floor and my elbows again end up on my legs.

    I am still unclear just what your position(s) is while you shoot.

    Your literary reference was very funny, but then again, of course so was the imagery.

    - Dr. G.


  32. Mendoza Peep sight

    Last night I tried my Mendoza on my daisy 856, and while it isn’t an 880, it looks to have a receiver that is pretty close. The Mendoza sight did not fit well. It was pretty cockeyed on it.


  33. Everyone,

    The problem appears to be with Blogger. We have looked and haven’t found any blogs published today, from among those blog that do publish daily.

    We will stay on top of this, but as of now we have no idea of how long this will continue.

    B.B.


  34. Hi B.B,

    I was reading your Spring has Sprung article from march 30, 2006.

    Your list for springers for specific categories was:

    Best springers for field target:

    TX200

    HW77

    HW97

    R9
    ——–
    Best springers for a hunter:

    RWS Diana 48/52/54

    Beeman R1/RX-2

    RWS Diana 350 Magnum
    All in .22 caliber.
    ——–
    Best general-purpose springers:

    R7

    R9

    HW50S with open sights
    ——–
    Best value springer:

    IZH 61
    ——–

    I was wondering, would you vote the same guns now? How about a similar list for PCPs? If you have the time, feel free to throw in pumpers and Co2 too. :)

    Thanks!

    Mo.


  35. Kevin and Volvo,

    Thanks for the suggestions. I prefer a receiver mounted peep sight over a v-notch any day, and I have found my 880 to be an accurate rifle for the price I paid for it, and what I use it for. The scope that came with the rifle…is less than ideal, and after searching Pyramyd Air’s site, it seems as though any half decent scope, and the lower cost peeps are about the same cost.

    My other motivation behind this is the crosman 760 that I have sitting in a closet, without a front sight, so I’m currently limited to a scope for that gun. A peep sight on that would also be ideal, and I’m sure I could find a front blade somewhere that would work with the sight. Now that I know there are some options open to me, I’m going to look a bit deeper into this.

    Thanks again for the suggestions!

    Sean


  36. Good Morning Everyone,

    Sure B.B., blame it on Google. We know your just goofing off at the range!! We'll let it slide this time.. but your on the watch list..

    Oh well, we can still talk..

    Volvo,

    The moon IS made of cheese!! … my new scope proved it…

    The Air Arms s410 .177 put three pellets in the same hole.. (it's swiss cheese of course).. the hole was somewhat large, (3/4") for me.. but the distance seemed about right for the size.. so I'm happy with the results… I just hope NASA doesn't mind me shooting pellets into space..

    Now.. what were you saying about your 499?

    Have you tried the "Lellier & Bellot" Wad Cutter 9.6g 148grs .38 special? They are great for target (very tight groups).. and almost no recoil in my Dan Wesson .357 mag. I bought a case online for just under $20/50 rd box.. such a deal:)

    Chuck,

    Your mother must not weigh very much, if your "chucking" her around..
    Does she always land on her feet?

    Dr, G.

    just do it!!
    (the PCP thing)

    Matt61,

    That's impressive, your shooting schedule.. but do you switch to left handed for 20% of your shots?.. I didn't think so.. it's ok.. you'll be alright.. it's ok to be a second rate shooter.. not all of us can shoot like Volvo..

    Wacky Wayne

    "hyperman" how does google come up with the word verifacation?


  37. WW Hyperman,
    My mother is 90 years old, 4′ 11″, 89lb, and has a boy friend in Phoenix who takes her for motorcycle rides. She’s so small even a twelve year old could chuck her :)

    -Chuck



  38. Wayne,

    Sadly mail order pistol ammo in Ohio is a no-no as far as I can tell. This is one of my favorite range guns:

    http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14755&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y

    I like the adjustable sights, slightly longer barrel, and weight over the std. snub nose alloy J frames. Not as handy to carry, but a nice shooter. Past 21 feet is when you really see a difference.

    Yesterday I forgot to mention that the first picture must be you sending your gun bearer to the closet for a fresh rifle. In my mind you take one shot with each weapon and never need to shoot the same rifle twice.

    Matt,
    I also forgot to mention the ear protection with the Daisy 747. I think you should invest in a Volvo some day. You would appear more their target market then myself. Are you shooting on a diagonal to gain the most distance?

    Chuck,
    Give that pellgun oil a day or three to soak in if you can just let her sit. I have used too much lube on numerous weapons, but that doesn’t seem to be possible with the pellgun oil and a BB gun.

    Volvo


  39. Just for the record, the blog is down, but I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Wayne tried to start about B.B. by saying that our mentor was just screwing off at a range someplace.

    But and however, B.B. did say the other day that he wouldn’t be answering alot of posts because of the shooting schedual for the TV show.

    How convient that blogger worked on the software and knocked the current posts into limbo land. Maybe you have to ask yourself,who is the beneficary of that act???


  40. Volvo,

    My .357 Dan Wesson has an 8″ barrel.. not a carry gun.. but real nice for target, and a perfect trigger, maybe 3/4 lb.

    The Irv Johnson, Colt .357 copy, has a 6″ barrel and could be a carry gun.. but I don’t feel a need.. I’m just playing cowboy!!

    I like set up rows of 4″ clays at 25 and 50 yards.. and shoot six shots on the pistols, then pick up one of the marlin 30/30s and see what I can do offhand with the open sights, switching between 25 and 50 yards.. I’m about 1 for 4 shots with either the pistol or the rifle.. without a scope, I can shoot the pistols as accurate as the rifle out to 50 yards!!.. especially the Dan Wesson with the longer barrel..

    Wayne


  41. anyone know if there is a gas spring available for the beeman r7 through pyramidair? Just wondering if there would be any advantages such as increased velocity or increased range without going out and buying an r1 or r9.


  42. Wayne,

    They both sound like sweet shooters. That much weight with .38 special loads makes for a very friendly weapon.

    I doubt this will ever happen given your nature, but should you decide to get a CC permit you probably would not want to go with a SA unless you have truly mad skills and can fan the hammer.

    Is your Dan Wesson one of the ones with interchangeable barrels?

    Volvo




  43. Ah, here you all are. That did give me a jolt not to see the daily blog.

    Dr. G., I expect that you’re right that I would notice pellet differences with a bench rest and a longer distance. As for scopes, it’s about half and half on my guns. The IZH 61 has the Leapers Bug Buster which is 6X and the B30 has a 4X32. They are not overpowering even for 20 feet since the dots on my target are barely visible to the naked eye. But I can still make them out with the open sights that I use on my pistols and 1077. The only sighting system that has problems is my red dot for the Walther Nighthawk. While the red dot is visible enough, the glass its projected on cuts the illumination down, so that seeing the dots is a strain.

    My position is just the target standing position with the front elbow rested on the hip. Your shooting position with the feet elevated sounds like Wayne with his chair. With feet on the floor is harder to visualize. It would seem to put your rifle at a serious cant. Jeff Cooper, in his book Art of the Rifle, has a picture of something similar that is one of his field expedient or what he calls “jackass” positions. I think that such a position would be a challenge. What is your distance?

    Volvo, yes indeed, I milk all of the distance I can out of my room with diagonals. I go on a horizontal diagonal from one corner to another and also a vertical diagonal from my standing position to a target on the floor. For this reason, it’s hard to calculate the exact distance, but it seems to be about 20 feet.

    Wayne, no ambitions to shoot left-handed. That cowboy scenario with the pistol and rifle sounds like a lot of fun. Have you thought of competitive cowboy action shooting? They have YouTube videos of people who are just stunning with rifle, pistol, and shotgun, so you would be able to put all of your weaponry together.

    Matt61



  44. Matt61,

    To answer your question, when I sit with my feet on the floor I sit in a tiny chair for young children which is close to the ground.

    I shoot 33 feet 90% of the time and 25-40 yards most of the rest of the time.

    - Dr. G.


  45. Volvo,

    Bummer man.. no ammo mail order in Ohio..

    Boy am I glad I live in the land of free and home of donkey riders, here in Southern Oregon..

    We live in what a lot of us call the “State of Jefferson”.. a part of Southern Oregon and Northern California have half seriously tried to become the state of Jefferson a few times, long ago..

    But many of us still call ourselves “Jeffersonions” because we have so little political power compared to the big cities north and south of us.. were a bunch of “rebels” so to speak..

    Anyway, it takes about 10 mins to fill out the form to buy a gun, and these days 20 mins. waiting for the state police to answer, they are so busy, but then about 3 mins. to check your record.. If it’s clean, you walk out with the gun..
    It seems there is no limit either, I’ve bought probably 25 or 30 firearms just this year! You have to get a dealers FFL to sell very many of them, but if your just trading up, or you don’t like the way it shoots, you can sell it, of course.. and buying ammo online.. no problem..

    Are you guys moving to Oregon now?

    We be independent!!

    Playing cowboy is super fun, but I’m not planning to compete, I need a scope to have any chance..

    I did stop by the range again for another 40 rounds of .223 at 200 yards.. That Howa 1500 trigger is getting much better, with only about 200 shots now.

    Today, the PMC Bronze, .223 Remington 55gr. FMJ-BT were all I shot..
    40 on an 8″ shoot n see, (I can get a 1,000 rd case now, for $9.00/20 rds, and I wanted to be sure they can be good enough to buy that many..

    I think so, all 40 were on the 8″, and 32 were in 6″, and 23, were in 4″, AND DRUMROLL PLEASE… 9 were in the 1″ center!..
    And that was with just a sandbag center rest, mostly just holding her myself.
    I’m liking this Howa 1500, especially for the $375 sale price I got her for, with the 3-12×40 nikko scope! I switched it for a 6-24×56 nikko, which is about as low a power as I can use with any chance at accuracy…

    … unless I’m shooting the Air Arms s410, it just never misses, even when I don’t look thru the scope:)

    Wayne


  46. Is there any way to find out what discounted air rifles will be on sale at Pyramid? I would love to buy a .22 Discovery. I’ve been ordering stuff from them for a while and just realized I live 30 miles from the warehouse. Thanks


  47. FLHTC,

    Are you kidding me? You’re only 30 miles away from Pyramyd Air. I’m in Colorado and have been thinking about driving to the sale.

    I’m sure that the mucky mucks at pyramyd air are busily determining what the sale prices will be versus the cost of moving this massive inventory.

    You’re going aren’t you?

    Since the owners of this successful business are intelligent, they don’t want to incur the cost of moving more items than they absolutely have to. I’m sure that there will be some deals on airguns at this moving sale that will never be seen again.

    kevin



  48. I just heard that Crosman has sold the first 100 Marauders. That means Pyramyd Air will soon get their shipment. If you’ve been wanting to get one of these, now is the time to place your order for first shipment.

    Edith (Mrs. B.B.)


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