Umarex BB speedloader

by B.B. Pelletier


Umarex speedloader: shoot more, load faster.

We’ve been testing a lot of BB guns lately, and all of them have magazines that need to be loaded. Some of those magazines are like the straight stick magazine in the TT33 Tokarev pistol. They’re usually loaded one BB at a time, which can be tedious. The Umarex speedloader was designed specifically for this job.

There’s really nothing new about the speedloader because it descends almost directly from the airsoft world. But this application is for steel BBs, and that crosses the line into airguns. Mac used the speedloader in some of his tests and was very pleased with its operation. Simply connect the loader with the magazine, press down on the plunger and load 8 BBs. It’s that fast. If your mag holds 17 or 22, you’ll have it loaded in seconds.


Comes with 3 adapters to fit almost any BB gun.


Speedloader output port will connect to some BB mags without any adapter.

Adaptable
Not all BB guns are made the same, so the Umarex speedloader comes with a complete package of adapters that allow it to be connected to virtually all BB guns. When Umarex USA tested it, they couldn’t find a single BB gun it wouldn’t connect to.


To refill the speedloader, flip open the door & fill with BBs.


When the speedloader is not in use, the plunger can be locked down.

Easy to fill
The speedloader is made mainly of synthetics and holds a large reservoir of BBs inside. It’s easy to refill by just dumping the BBs in the open loader door.

This is another piece of equipment that isn’t sexy by itself; but if you’re a BB pistol enthusiast, then you really need this speedloader.

81 Responses to “Umarex BB speedloader”

  • Ryan Says:

    Super cool! I still don’t own a BB gun. Looking to get at least one action pistol, and a Red Ryder type BB gun would be awesome. This looks like its very useful for anyone that owns a BB gun with a mag.

    -Ryan

  • rikib Says:

    Many of you know that I post quotes here. Well, unfortunately someone I had admired is famous for what I consider a disgusting quote. I expect to get slammed for this so go ahead, but I have Native American heritage and proud of it.

    “I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”
    John Wayne

    If you use this philosophy then why try to keep all the new immigrants out.

    Would you be happy being confined to a reservation?

    Blast away

    rikib

    • Ryan Says:

      You Sir, are evil.

    • KidAgain Says:

      Rikib,

      “If you use this philosophy then why try to keep all the new immigrants out.”

      I’m speachless. That kind of comment should only be made on a friday, you know this and yet you deliberately posted that today! Your punishment: go to bed at a decent hour and get some sleep like the rest of us!

      KA

      • rikib Says:

        KA
        Sorry, just could not get it out of my head. I planned on waiting till Friday but it just would not let go. If you like I will repost again on Friday.

        rikib

  • Ryan Says:

    I think it would be best if all pellets were copper plated. I don’t care about cost, I just want copper plated pellets. Imagine the beauty!

    -Ryan

    • Orin Says:

      Ryan,

      Don’t GAMO Raptors claim to be gold plated? Why settle for copper when you can have gold?

      - Orin

      • Ryan Says:

        True, I changed my mind. I want gold plated pellets, but not made by Gamo. Gamo raptors have overmold issues that compromise the accuracy. Although, when you’re not really shooting the things, who cares. I just think perfectly made pellets are better looking than ones with overmold. I do confess though, that after I first found out about the raptors, I bought a few hundred of them. They just sit in my drawer, waiting for the day when I get to touch them, and rub them.

    • Edith Gaylord Says:

      Ryan,

      If all pellets were copper-plated, you wouldn’t be able to shoot AirForce guns. According to that manufacturer, it’s the single most common cause of accuracy issues for their airguns. When someone calls in and says their AirForce Airgun has been shooting erratically, they ask if copper-plated pellets are being used. Usually, the answer is “yes.” The customer is told to clean his barrel and retest the gun with uncoated pellets. That’s usually the ticket. I have not heard that any other gun has experienced this type of accuracy issue, but I’ll ask Pyramyd Air’s tech department if they’ve noticed anything.

      Edith

      • Orin Says:

        Edith,

        I don’t think Ryan actually shoots his copper-plated pellets… I think he just lovingly caresses them. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that they all have names and individual sleeping arrangements. :)

        - Orin

      • Ryan Says:

        Wow, that is not good news. I love air force air guns. Do they know why they are inaccurate? I was under the impression that copper plated pellets don’t leave any residue. I don’t know what else would cause such a systematic failure of plated pellets. The only practical reason why I like copper plated for shooting is no lead on my hands. I guess I could buy lead free, but then you get the problems of low weight pellets. Also, copper plated pellets are far too pretty to not have some.

  • DaveUK Says:

    BB and Edith:
    The Forum page popped up and I thought I was looking at some space age Air Carbine till I scrolled down a bit further.
    Easy mistaker to maker,you never know what Weird and wonderful Airgun is going to be featured on the daily blog :)

    Ryan:
    Good news you have got yourself some Coppa points on the way.
    You all know I love my rifle but I get this feeling I am feeding caviare to a pig when I shoot my Coppa Points through it.
    May I suggest Ryan,a short tune on a trumpet before you shoot each one :)
    DaveUK

    • Ryan Says:

      Hahaha, I know exactly what you mean. I actually chime a large gong and recite a small prayer; so I am planning on only shooting them very rarely. I have a slight obsession with pellets if you don’t know. I like to have a few tins open so I can look at, smell, touch the pellets. And I like to have some taped still cause they look nicer all new and taped up. I also like collecting the tins. Mainly the non screw lids, like RWS, H&N and JSB. Can’t wait for those coppa points. The kodiak Double Golds I have, many are dinged up such that the copper plating is missing from areas, or it is tarnished and visually less stunning. I hope I don’t have similar problems with the coppa points. The pictures I have seen for copper plated pellets show all uniform plating with no missing areas/discoloration. I hope I just got a bad two batches, or someone kept them in a damp area. I don’t know…

  • C-S Says:

    Dave try http://www.anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com there is something about BAM B-3 tuning

    • DaveUK Says:

      C-S:
      “Something about BAM-3 tuning”
      I should say so.
      6 parts,6PARTS :)
      That poor guy sure had his work cut out for him.There was not one bit of the B-3 he didn’t have to fix.lol
      Very funny and a very informative site,now in my list of Favourites.
      Thanks for the link C-S
      DaveUK

      • Matt61 Says:

        Send to Rich Imhoff, and he will fix any BAM gun. I still can’t believe what he did to my B30. PA should re-offer the BAM line with Rich hired to tune them all and you would have a near-custom gun at a bargain price.

        Matt61

        • DaveUK Says:

          Matt61:
          It is really good to know that such talented folk put so much work into improving the BAM air guns.
          They are the sort of air gun you can see being pulled out of a basement in 50 years time and firing better than when it first came off the factory floor :)
          Cheers,
          DaveUK

  • KidAgain Says:

    BB, Edith,

    Ok, a speed loader for the new bb guns. On the wish list it is then! ;)

    KA

  • derrick38 Says:

    Orin,
    What’s going on with your Nitro piston?

    Dave UK,
    Glad you liked the BAM 3-1 series. That thing was seriously consistent in velocity. Who’d have guessed?

    • C-S Says:

      derrick 38 -i saw your work ,what can i say you are artist ;) (now forgive me for my “bad” english i am from Croatia )!!! Blog is fantastic it is listed in my favorites ,thou i have slavia 631 and diana 34 i was curious to see B-3 TUNED ;)

    • DaveUK Says:

      derrick38:
      It is an honour to meet you sir.
      Your 6 part report was brilliant,thank you.
      Being a B-3 owner I was laughing like a drain at your descriptions of the gun :)
      What a lot of work you put in and your attention to detail as well.Amazing.
      The B3 in the end looked fantastic.
      If you like,I could FedEx mine over to you for a rebuild :)
      Only kidding,you have suffered enough.
      All the best,
      DaveUK

    • Orin Says:

      Derrick,

      Thanks for inquiring. The last e-mail I sent the Crosman rep was my address to send the replacement barrel to, along with the usual “if you need anything else, let me know.” That was around a week ago, and I haven’t heard anything back yet. I was going to wait another week to send a follow-up, but now that you’ve reminded me, I might as well do it now. Thanks.

      - Orin

  • AlanL Says:

    Interesting post about the bb speed loader. Until I read it only loads 8 bb’s at a time. When you’re trying to load hundreds into a Daisy, and dozens go spilling onto the floor, there’s only one way: A small funnel.

    I got my 4.5 mm H&N copper plated precision round balls today! This weekend I will test them in the gun I feel I can most afford to sacrifice: the Bronco. (Sorry Tom! :D )

    There were conflicting blog posts about penetration tests done with round balls in bars of clear Neutrogena soap (for photography purposes) and other media. In some tests B.B. said they penetrated the least. Others showed they penetrated further than diabolo pellets and packed a greater punch. The muzzle loaders did a test that showed a round ball flew accurately hundreds of yards further than anticipated. Can’t wait to try for myself. If they fly true in the Bronco I just may venture to try them in my HW30…

    AlanL

    • Edith Gaylord Says:

      AlanL,

      The speedloader wouldn’t be ideal for those guns that take hundreds of BBs. Generally, those guns have a much larger orifice for dumping in BBs. However, for guns with a stick mag (as B.B. noted in his blog), the speedloader is perfect because the BBs can’t be dumped in. One punch of the speedloader’s plunger delivers only 8 BBs, and most stick mags will accept at least that many.

      Edith

    • Paul Says:

      AlanL,

      You probably have nothing to fear about using the H and N copper-plated round balls in your Bronco. I have tried them in a number of different rifles and as long as the ball size is a good fit to the barrel they should be accurate since a round ball will not upset upon firing like a thin pellet skirt will. My Katana hates both Gamos and H and Ns; in a .177 Haenel 303 they did very poorly due to a oversized barrel but my R7 handled them ok.

      My best luck has been with the H and N copper plated balls in a Turkish .25 Patriot – three shots will make a cloverleaf group at 35 yards. No pellets have done better in that gun.

      Like the Coppa Points they are nice to look at, though ;)

      Paul in Liberty County

      • AlanL Says:

        Paul,

        Thanks- that’s reassuring. I made sure to get the exact 4.5 mm diameter balls, and not the 4.52 or 4.53, since I didn’t want to risk damaging the rifling. On the other hand, I don’t want the ball to just roll out of the barrel either. We’ll see how it goes!

        AlanL

        • Mr B. Says:

          AlanL,

          I don’t think you have to worry about damaging your rifle’s barrel by shooting copper plated lead balls since the copper is much softer than the steel. Look at how bullets are made–copper over lead or solid copper. Also maybe one of the other diameters might shoot better in your barrel depending upon the exact size of the bore.

          Mr B.

    • Ryan Says:

      Copper plated round balls? Now these I have to have. Where did you get these? I saw them on H&N’s website, but they don’t do direct sales. Need to have some for my collection. :P

      • AlanL Says:

        Ryan,

        I can’t tell you, since it’s a PA competitor– Edith would kill me! But look around on the net, you won’t have too hard a time finding them. I’ll give you a hint. It’s in the Southwest, the “immigration brouhaha” state.

        How come PA doesn’t sell the H&N round balls???

        -AlanL

        • Edith Gaylord Says:

          AlanL,

          I would NOT kill you…but you might be a little battered and bruised :-)

          Pyramyd Air might carry the round balls in the future. We have a lot of H&N products coming in, so it’s possible that they just haven’t been added to the website yet.

          Edith

  • Nate Says:

    Since this post is about a BB loader I have a question entirely off subject but that references a BB.

    I have a 397 and I live in NY. The two things about this are, there is no sunshine except for a few days out of the year and I don’t have a scope. I am currently using the Williams peep sight and have noticed that in the low light conditions the front sight is very hard to see. I recently painted it white but this is not really ideal. My thought was to mount a BB on the front sight or something highly reflective (but small). Would this work? Should I try something else?

    • twotalon Says:

      I also have had the same problems.
      It’s hard to see through the peep in lower light conditions, or when there is a lot of light from the wrong direction getting in my eyes. I drilled out the aperatures in a couple, and it helped some.

      twotalon

    • twotalon Says:

      Something else to try before enlarging the aperature with a drill…
      Unscrew the aperature disk so you have just a larger ring to sight through. See how it shoots, and see if you are getting sufficient light that way.

      twotalon

      • Nate Says:

        That’s a good idea. One of the other reasons I wanted to add something “bright” for the front post is that the targets I have are the EZ shoot ones, so I am aiming for a red dot on a black background. I really haven’t made it easy on myself.

        • twotalon Says:

          The basic problem you run into is this……….
          Once light levels getting into the eye get low enough, your vision gets degraded. Particularly when the ‘cones’ shut down and the ‘rods’ are the only thing left working. First, the color vision ‘cones’ go then the black and white vision ‘rods’ go. You have continously less and less resolution and color definition until eventually you see nothing..as in complete darkness.

          A peep with an eye cup that blocks out stray light helps on some rifles, but I doubt you would find one that would work on a Benji or Sheridan.

          twotalon

        • twotalon Says:

          You could also try a black bull on a yellow background.
          Try some assorted construction paper to see what color combinations give you the best contrast under poor light conditions.
          Orange on blue also seems to show up pretty good.

          Perhaps an optometrist or opthamologist is hanging around here that may know already as to what might work best.

          twotalon

      • Matt61 Says:

        I second this idea of removing the rear sight. The pinhole Anschutz rear sight is to small for me to see through with the light indoors, so I unscrewed it and just dry fire with the front sight. That way I get good trigger time with the sight picture. According to some schools of thought, you should only concentrate on the front sight anyway, and the rear sight will automatically line up because the mind likes symmetry.

        Matt61

    • Nate,

      Try learning to shoot with both eyes open if you aren’t doing that already. It will significantly improve your sight picture once you get the hang of it. That’s what I do on my compound bow, and it makes a huge difference in perceived brightness of the front sight.

      • Mr B. Says:

        Bobby Nations,

        Just finished looking a bow-mounted .22 cal. Airow Gun in The Sportsman’s Guide Catalog. It’s a device that threads into the stabilizer mount and is powered entirely by the bow’s draw no CO2 or HPA needed. It’ll shoot a pellet up to 675 fps using a 70-lb bow at a 29″ draw. Weighs about 4 pounds and has an eight shot magazine. They’ve got a video of it being shot on their web.

        Mr B.

        • Bobby Nations Says:

          Mr. B.

          I’ve seen that product as well and wondered if it might be fun or not. Are you interested in it? I’d love to hear someone from the airgun world’s opinion of it.

    • AlanL Says:

      Alright Nate, I can’t resist- you wanted to mount something highly reflective but small to your front sight- here goes: Just attach a one carat ‘D’ color, ‘IF’ grade diamond. You’ll never miss again! Now wasn’t that bright of me? :D
      -AlanL

  • Fused Says:

    Look what Wacky Wayne has been up to! Inspiring example of a quality person involved in airgunning. Looks like quite an event. I’ve met the nicest people online through the airgunning hobby.

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1275533998/Oak+Alley+Memorial+Shootout+2010+%96+Wayne%92s+World%21%21%21+%96+PICS

    • Edith Gaylord Says:

      Fused,

      Thanks for the great link!

      WOW! What an incredible story. Loved the pictures!

      It’s been a really long time since I saw Tim McMurray. I never would have recognized him. The last time I saw him, he had long red hair tied back in a ponytail :-) Time marches on.

      Wayne–It’s obvious that you’re a fantastic match director. You put together a really fine event. No wonder the guys are eager to drive up from SoCal to shoot.

      Edith

      • kevin lentz Says:

        That’s our Wayne. Wayne’s airgunning passion started on this blog. Kinda interesting what B.B. created in that passionate airgunner Wacky Wayne.

        Mrs. Gaylord,

        I still remember the FT series that B.B. did years ago at the request of Wayne. I sure hope you share Tony’s great story and wonderful pictures of the Memorial weekend shoot at Ashland Range with Tom. Tom was instrumental in making this happen. I’m sure he’ll feel warm and fuzzy, like I did, when he see’s all those smiles from legendary airgunners (Tim Macmurray, LD, etc.), newbie FT shooters and the KIDS!! Tom helped to make the airgunning community even stronger and definately happier. Great friendships.

        Wayne,

        Great Job! You make us all proud. I hereby nominate you for #1 prodigy of B.B.

        kevin

        • Fused Says:

          One day I hope to meet Wayne in person. And hopefully get a chance to shoot on that range of his! It is because of his and Vince B’s generosity that I am knee deep in this hobby to begin with.

        • Mr B. Says:

          Kevin,

          I’ll be proud to second your nomination. Wayne–top shelf all the way.

          Bruce

  • tdung Says:

    AlanL,

    From your posts, it looks like you have both the Bronco and the HW30. How do you compare the noise level between them? Also, how do you rate the Bronco’s trigger against the HW30′s? (Examples, 7 to 10, 8 to 10, … with 10 being the Rekord trigger on your HW30). I am trying to see if the HW30 really worth it.
    Thanks.

    • AlanL Says:

      tdung,

      This is a difficult question because the difference in price is significant, and frankly, you do get what you pay for. However, with that said, let me say that the Bronco is an excellent value for the money. It is light, very easy to cock, fun to shoot (doesn’t kick) and is more accurate than you might expect from a rifle in that price range. It is also not bad to look at. The front sight is in front of the muzzle brake (which isn’t really a true brake, more of a cocking handle), and it therefore decreases the distance between the front and rear sights, which may affect your accuracy a little. An advantage is the very short barrel (only 11.5″) which means you have to stay on target a shorter time. The rear sight will probably need to be adjusted down as far as it will go to shoot accurately with open sights at 20 yards.

      Now the HW30S. The Rekord trigger is unbeatable right out of the box, unless you get a Diana with the new T-07 trigger, I hear. The HW’s Rekord trigger is very much better than that of the Bronco, but that is not to say the Bronco’s trigger is bad. It’s just that the HW’s trigger is smoother, lighter and has a crisper let off. The HW is a little heavier, a little louder, but fires deadly accurate and with a very solid, crisp thunk of the piston. No twang, no vibration. You have a longer sight picture, so it’s easier to shoot accurately. It is a little bit harder to cock than the Bronco but still very easy. Then again it shoots a little harder than the Bronco too. The HW30 is heavier than the Bronco. The rear sight is more adjustable.

      If money is no object, buy the HW30S. If you really need to save as much as possible, the Bronco is a very good gun for the money.

      -AlanL

    • AlanL Says:

      tdung,

      I forgot to mention, your choice of pellets will make a big difference. The HW’s breech seems to be a bit tighter than the Bronco’s. You really have to seat each pellet properly. The round ball-end of the Beeman Pell Seat is very useful for this. Pellets can be more easily seated in the breech of the Bronco by just pushing with your thumb. The HW and Bronco are about equally hold sensitive, though I’d say the Weihrauch is a little more sensitive than the Bronco. The choice of pellets makes a substantial difference. You will have to adjust elevation on the rear sight several clicks for different pellets. This of course is easier to do on the HW30 than on the Bronco which has a notched slide adjustment.

      -AlanL

  • Matt61 Says:

    The speedloader is essential for when you get frisky and want to fire off whole magazines….

    Kevin, thanks so much for your post on leather and sorry you had to repost it. I’m hanging in there but cannot always cover all the comments as I would like. This is just the information that I need. I’ve used the Ballistol for the time being as I try to pay off my credit card debt but will get hold of the Lexol and follow your instructions. It’s important to have ease of drawing my tool. :-) Especially if it’s a Ruger Single Six.

    PeteZ, you’re right. I can’t believe you read through all the online manuals looking for the trigger warning for Anschutz firearms. You’re right that it’s not there. It was in microscopic print on a red label attached to the trigger itself. The manual goes into great detail on adjusting the trigger. I suspect that the warnings apply to the more radical adjustments like converting the two stage trigger to a single stage or significantly altering the trigger weight. But even the more modest adjustments can complicate things by changing the weights and travel of both stages. I think I’ll stick with the factory adjustment since it’s optimized for safety at a light weight, and I seem to be getting the hang of it.

    Matt61

    • Mr B. Says:

      Matt61,

      Kevin and I both are on the same Lexol page. It’s great stuff and so is their cleaner. I have some holsters that are going on 30 years and are still in excellent shape. I’ve never put the “snow seal” that Kevin said he uses on them, but I have used it on some boots. The lexol won’t soften the leather, change its color or impart a shine to it.

      Mr B.

      • Matt61 Says:

        Groan, it looks like there is no avoiding the quality stuff. :-) I’ll have to get hold of this. Thanks for all the info.

        Matt61

    • pete zimmerman Says:

      Matt, you had me really scared. I’m deciding between an Anschutz 8002/s2 and an FWB 700 ALU to be bought in the next few months, and if I couldn’t adjust an Annie’s trigger, it was no go. And for looks alone I’m leaning to the Anschutz. I have a lot of my trigger weight shifted to the first stage.

      I like your thought experiment!

      p

  • AlanL Says:

    Wacky Wayne,

    What an awesome range and setup you have over yonder in Ashland. The link that Fused posted is really worthwhile. I would have loved to attend, but mostly just to hang around the firepit and Laurie’s cooking!

    Do you also allow bow & arrow and crossbows on your range?

    -AlanL

  • Matt61 Says:

    Say, what’s the story on Centerpoint scopes? The Air Force scope with 50mm objective that I got for my Anschutz just barely touches the barrel, even with high rings, which is a shame because that is a fine scope. Looking at the other options, the Centerpoint 4-16X40mm looks like the best buy. I seem to recall that Centerpoint is another brand name for Leapers; the features are certainly similar.

    Matt61

    • Edith Gaylord Says:

      Matt61,

      I’ve read, reread and rereread your comment, yet I still don’t understand what you’re asking/saying? Could you restate it?

      Thanks!
      Edith

  • Mike Says:

    Good Afternoon
    I have a benjamin discovery and when I fire the gun the bolt bonce’s and I can feel air on my face. Dose anyone know if there is a way to stop this from happening?

    • Mr B. Says:

      Mike,

      I had the same problem with my Discovery, gave Crosman’s customer service a call at 1-800-7AIRGUN (724-7486), and they had me send the gun in for a fix at no charge to me except for my cost of shipping it to them. Good people to deal with. Please get back to us and let us know what happen with Crosman.

      Mr B.

  • cowboystar dad Says:

    Anyone have a clue what this could be?
    A friend was over last night with his Beretta PX4 Storm. He’s had it for a couple of years (so off warranty) and this just started last week.
    After loading the clip the first shot fired is full power as normal. 2nd shot is obviously about 1/2 power. 3rd shot, 1/2 of that and the 4th won’t cycle the slide.
    Pull out the clip and re-insert it and it all happens over again.
    It seem to be something with the clip because if you take the clip out after every shot it shoots full power everytime.
    The only Umarex repair facility is 1000 miles away, and at $85 it’s probably not going to be cost effective to fix.
    Any hints on what to do?

  • derrick38 Says:

    Mike,
    Try a very slightly larger o-ring on the bolt of your Discovery to obtain a tighter seal. You could also try 3 or 4 wraps of teflon tape in the bolt’s o-ring groove then reinstall the original o-ring.

    DaveUK, C-S,
    Thanks for the nice words about the blog. Glad that you enjoyed it. I’m grateful that Nick Carter even keeps me around. He’s really an evil genius and I enjoy reading his posts immensely.

  • AlanL Says:

    Edith,

    Your description of the Weihrauch HW 97 rifle begins:

    “The HW97 is the carbine version of the HW97, which is the successor to the popular HW77…”

    I believe this phrasing was intended for the HW 97K, with the first mention missing the ‘K’. However, the Weihrauch HW 97 is no longer to be seen on Weihrauch’s site, only the 97K and KT. Moreover, the Weihrauch HW 97K is only available with the blue laminated stock on PA’s site. Where’s the normal version? I only found the Beeman-branded one.

    -AlanL

    • Edith Gaylord Says:

      AlanL,

      Thanks. I changed it. There is no HW97, only HW97K and KT. Pardon me for not offering up an explanation at this time, as I’m pretty bushed. Thanks for understanding :-)

      Edith

  • Ryan Says:

    So I was checking out Walther’s website, and I came upon This. Looks like it could be good for teaching young ones how to shoot accurately in a safe manner. Wonder if anyone has seen these and know more about how they work? I am curious.

    -Ryan

    • Matt61 Says:

      So, is there such a thing as a safe laser beam. I know that the first thing kids would want to do is shine it in each other’s eyes.

      • pete zimmerman Says:

        There are less safe and more safe laser beams. Even a key-chain laser pointer isn’t something you really should look straight at. That’s in my very conservative physics judgment.

      • AlanL Says:

        Matt61,

        That is a misconception. Class I laser beams are safe for your eyes, but they’re not fun. Typically, they’re infrared (and thus invisible) and less than 1 mw in power. Class II (visible) lasers are harmless provided you don’t deliberately stare into them. Class III and higher lasers are all harmful.

        -AlanL

    • CJr Says:

      Ryan,
      This interests me. Thanks for the link. I couldn’t find any prices and a Google search didn’t turn up any distributors. Do you have any more info on these?
      -CJr

      • Ryan Says:

        Chuck,

        I wish I knew more about it. I happened to stumble upon the “Laser Shooting” section of products on Walther’s site. They look to be a new addition to the Walther line, and might not be at many if any vendors. I would like to get price points as well. Walther’s site seems to suggest that they are inexpensive. I hope this is the case. I’ll let you know if I find any more info.

        -Ryan

      • Ryan Says:

        Chuck,

        So it seems like the laser pistol is used with a special target. The targets vary from one with different zones with points for each zone. There is another that is a standard target, but there are covers with differently sized holes so you can vary the difficulty. Look at the main laser shooting area and you’ll see all they make. Purchasing one of these things seems to be the main problem. I will of course keep you informed.

        -Ryan

  • Matt61 Says:

    I believe I have solved the mystery of the S410 shooter breaking bottles at 200 yards–as to whether he could actually do it!!!!! The feat was shown on a YouTube video that I’m pretty sure was posted in the blog comments on November 27, 2007, but I can’t seem to access that particular date.

    Anyway, the method for determining this is as follows. The key is figuring out the breaking tension of a glass bottle in terms of the necessary energy. Then you figure out at what distance a pellet from an S410 will retain that energy and compare it to 200 yards. As for determining the breaking tension of the bottle, you can use the definition of work by figuring out at what height a bottle will shatter when dropped. Together with the weight of the bottle, that will give you your number. For more realism, you can imagine dropping a bottle onto the corner of an asphalt block to simulate a point force like a pellet. I don’t have empty wine bottles to smash, so I’ll do this in my mind. I suspect that an empty wine bottle weighs something like .25 lbs. Surely, it would shatter if dropped onto the corner of an asphalt block from 1 foot. That gives you .25 ftlbs of energy. Isn’t Chairgun supposed to be able to tell you at what distance an S410 pellet would retain that energy? I don’t have Chairgun downloaded or any other means to figure it out, but whoever does will know the answer.

    PeteZ, how’s that for a bit of experimental physics. :-)

    Matt61

  • derrick38 Says:

    Matt61,

    Why don’t we just ask Wayne to replicate the experiment? He’s got an S410 as well as 200 yards. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a bottle of Boone’s?

  • Mr B. Says:

    Matt61,

    I’m going to answer your question about flys and targets. My city range is 16 yards from firing point in back room through open door. A little sugar water sprinkled on a piece of white paper and clipped to the target backing is great sport. There is something really satisfying about seeing a hole appear in the white paper surrounded by red fly guts. It teaches one about shooting as a hunter rather than a paper puncher. The fly won’t usually give you alot of time for the shot which teaches quick acquisition of target and rapid but controlled trigger work.

    Back to quick draw with the Ruger Single Six, be very careful. I’ve had a guy tell about shooting himself in the leg while doing his quick drawing. Didn’t soound like much fun to me. Also don’t forget that we’ve got our own paid gun on staff here with us……drum roll……..the one and only Tom Gaylord, a true paid gun from Frontieer City, I believe. Maybe he’s got some sage advice for both of us.

    Mr B.

    PS derrick38–a wonderful idea. Now all we have to do is to offer to roll up all that twine while he runs the test.

  • Mr B. Says:

    Bobby Nations,

    Shure looked interesting from a mechanical nature and also how well it can be shot. Who knows how we’d do in FT with one—look out Wayne we’re coming for you. However, $179.00 is a little too steep for my budget.

    Mr B.

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