by B.B. Pelletier
Announcement: Pyramyd AIR recently got in three new Sam Yang PCP air rifles. One is the Recluse, which is a 9mm (also shoots larger .357 bullets). The other two are Dragon Claws, and both are .50 caliber. One has a single reservoir, and the other has two air tanks. Now, on to today’s blog.
Last weekend, Mac and I had tables at the Dallas Arms Collectors Gun Show. I didn’t think I would get a blog out of that experience because they prohibit the use of cameras at the show, which is common at gun shows. But as things turned out, I saw so many airguns and related things that I just have to tell you about it.
More money
Right off the bat, I noticed that gun buyers are freer with their cash. While they bargain just as hard as airgunners, they pull out their wallets when it comes to the end. At airgun shows you see a lot more tire-kicking, and sometimes over ridiculous things like a $15 accessory. Firearm buyers don’t seem to clench up much before the $200 mark. So, by the end of the show, I had a real bundle of cash for the items I’d sold.
More tables
While some gun shows are still as small as airgun shows (75-125 tables), this one had over 800 tables. And the weekend before there had been a 4,000+ table show up in Tulsa, which is a four-hour drive from Dallas. More tables mean more people. Yet, that’s a very sad thing, because at an airgun show you will see more collectible and new airguns than at 20 gun shows — this big one included. To my way of thinking, it’s worth a thousand-mile drive with $4 gas to go to one airgun show. At least it is if you want to see some interesting airguns. But, I discovered that gun shows can also have their unique finds.
More thievery
The last gun show I was at where I sold firearms was over 30 years ago, and I was completely unprepared for the level of thievery that goes on today. Losing something off a table back in 1980 was so uncommon that the whole show talked about it when it happened. At this Dallas show, I was advised to watch my table like a hawk. And, sure enough, I did have a revolver cylinder stolen on the first day. It was priced at just $50 and the guy who got it will be surprised to discover that it doesn’t fit any cartridge, yet, because it was in the middle of conversion to .44 Special from .357 Magnum. But there you are. We had to lock all the guns to the table with cables — rifles and pistols alike! At an airgun show you can go out for lunch for an hour and just ask your tablemate or even the guy at the next table to watch your table in case someone wants to buy something while you’re gone. When something is stolen at an airgun show, the whole show still talks about it, so in that respect an airgun show is like a gun show of 30 years ago.
Shop talk
Just like airgunners, firearm buyers often shop the entire show before making a decision to buy, and therefore they often miss the better deals. One man brought only checks and credit cards to the show, so after he bargained for a price of $450 on a gun he was surprised to learn that I only accept green cash money. He had to go out to an ATM, during which time another buyer slipped in a bought his hard-negotiated treasure. And, no, I don’t hold guns for anyone. A long time ago I would hold a gun, but so often I was often left holding the bag at the end of the show. These days it’s the first cash that buys it. That’s pretty much the norm at airgun shows as well. Forget your credit cards; take cash. And, pull the trigger on those great deals when and where you find them!
Incredible prices!
The prices for airguns are all over the place at gun shows, which is something I was prepared for. Although I haven’t sold at a show in a long time, I’ve attended them often enough to know about how airguns are priced. Let me give a couple of examples to illustrate.
Diana model 35
There was a very nice-looking Diana model 35 breakbarrel on one of the tables. A nice 35 should bring $150-175, but this one was priced at $650. Oddly enough, the fellow who had the table was a semi-airgunner! He loved to shoot his vintage Sheridan Blue Streak, but he didn’t know that pellets were still being made for it. I told him about Pyramyd Air and how accurate the Benjamin domes are (they look like Premiers, but are less expensive) but he was convinced that vintage Sheridan pellets from the 1960s red tins were the most accurate pellets in his rifle. I bought an H&R Topper with a 20-gauge barrel an a .30-30 barrel from this guy for $105, so he wasn’t pricing his firearms out of sight, but he was way over on the one airgun.
Benjamin 112
On another table, a fellow had a 95 percent model 112 Benjamin transitional pump pistol for sale in the box for $165. That one was right on the money for a nice gun in non-working condition. Spend $40 for a reseal, and you have a fine collectible airgun from before WWII. That guy was also an airgunner who knew what things should go for. I could have bought it for $150, which would have been a pretty good buy.
Zimmerstutzen
Elsewhere I saw a zimmerstutzen that came out of an estate recently. It was missing the spoon that serves as the breech, but the man sold it for $350. It was a beautiful rifle, with flawless bluing, silver furniture and carved animal faces in the stock surrounded by acorns. The octagon barrel was swamped (tapered larger at the muzzle). There was silver or platinum lettering set into the barrel. So it was a quality gun. Fix it up to shoot and resell it for $800.
The really nice thing about this zimmer is that it takes a No. 9 ball. Neal Stepp, the 10-meter supplier from Ft. Worth, happens to stock them. I steered an airgunner to this table, and he was fortunate enough to buy this rifle. It should be back in action soon.
Also at the zimmerstutzen table, I mentioned what I did for a living and the guy pulled out an air rifle with a broken stock from under the table. It was a BSA Supersport Mk II (think Falke 90). I got it for $75, and it’s worth $100-125 right now. With another stock, it’ll be worth $275-300. This is a very collectible airgun, plus it’s a really nice shooter. I’ll blog it for you some day. My point is that the airgun was priced right.
10-meter rifle
Mac bought an FWB 150 that turned out to be very nice and just had a Beeman reseal a year ago. I’ll tell you in a few weeks why that’s so important for a 150, but for now take my word that it is. He’ll take it to the Arkansas show this weekend and put it on the table alongside the other two 150s he brought from home, so the guy who comes looking for a bargain 10-meter rifle should be able to score this coming weekend.
The interesting thing about this rifle is that once Mac saw it the first time, the guy kept after him to buy it. At the end of their tarantula dance (where two negotiators dance back and forth over a deal, and the first one to blink gets bitten), I had to flip a coin to see what final price the gun would bring. The other guy called it and won, so I cost Mac $25 extra on the deal. What fun!
Sheridan CO2 rifle
At another table I saw a vintage Sheridan CO2 pellet rifle that is somewhat collectible and goes for $125-150 in working condition. I wanted to pay $50 for this one of unknown operational readiness, but they thought it was worth $350, so we never reached an accord. At an airgun show, that person would soon discover that they were out of line and either change their price or leave. But at a gun show, these are all BB guns and who cares?
Marksman
Then, I was offered a Marksman 1010 in the box, but it was no more than 20 years old and all I offered was $10. They just aren’t collectible when they’re that new. Somewhere else I saw an original Marksman made in Los Angeles in the ’50s. That one was marked $10, but I didn’t know if it worked. If it had been in the box, it would have been a $75 value. By itself, it can take a long time to sell. Because this was a gun show, there was no possibility of checking the operation without getting kicked out of the show.
The ones that got away
The real deals of the show were the ones I didn’t see. On the drive home after we packed up, my other tablemate asked me what I thought of the two tables of collectible airguns that were at the show. Well, of course, I had never seen them (this was a huge show and most of the time I was at my table), and he neglected to mention them to me while the show was still going. “I thought you would have seen them!” he said. The widow of an airgunner had two tables of Daisys that included some cast iron guns, but I never saw them.
That sort of thing happens at large gun shows, and I’ve even had it happen at a couple airgun shows. I’ll be walking out to my car with the last load of stuff and someone will ask me if I found everything I was looking for at the show. I’ll answer yes, except for that Sheridan Model B. And he’ll say, “You mean you didn’t see the gorgeous one Bill Breechclot had on his table? He wanted only $800, and it was worth twice that, if it was worth a dime! It sat on his table for the whole show, and he took it home half an hour ago!” That kind of stuff does happen to me, I will admit.
My observations
I’m going to start doing the larger gun shows again, because there were enough airguns at this one show to interest several airgunners. A real airgun show would have as many airguns on three tables as were at this entire show, but there are precious few airgun shows happening. Besides, at a gun show there’s always the chance of scoring big, because, as I’ve tried to point out, firearms dealers simply do not know what airguns are worth.
BB
Sometimes you can find nice guns at gunshows too. ;-P
SL,
Oh, I did find some very nice guns at this show. But I promised everyone to concentrate on airguns more, so I kept those finds to myself.
B.B.
BOO. HISS.
BB,
I wish I could have made the show. For the most part, airguns tend to be overpriced at gun shows but sometimes you get a sweet deal. I have to save my money for Malvern anyway. I am packing tonight and leaving tomorrow afternoon around 2:00 pm. I’ll see you there.
David Enoch
David,
I hope you bring that Charter Arms thing, too. I will bring a Bronco for you to see.
B.B.
BB, the theft problem hasn’t hit the gun shows in northern Michigan, at least not yet. Perhaps it’s just too far for most of the rif raft to drive. I’m sure it happens but as far as I know nothing was lost at our annual show the first weekend of April. It’s a big 10-4 on overpriced airguns at gun shows. People seem to think, “If is old, it’s gold”. It’s a fun way to spend a weekend if you are into shooting and you never know what might turn up.
Mike
Mike – Where are you in Northern MI? I grew up in Tawas.
Aaron
Yes Tawas, my son and I bought a Mustang Cobra there back in 2003. I live near Sault Ste. Marie. For those that aren’t familiar with Michigan, it’s right on the Canadian border. Great summers and great winters, if you like winter.
Mike
Ahh yes, the UP. God’s Country!!
B.B.,
If you’re getting back into displaying at firearm shows consider netting your table. Use the netting typically used to drape over fruit trees to discourage birds from eating the fruit. Doesn’t detract terribly from potential buyers viewing what’s on your table but greatly discourages theft and the idiots that will pick up anyone’s guns without asking permission.
kevin
So, will you and Mac still be making the Malvern show?
JGC,
Mac and I have two tables at the Malvern show.
B.B.
B.B.,
From the pictures I’ve seen, that looks like a nice show. I hope you and Mac do well there.
Plus they have a range for shooting outside too.
Wish I could be there.
Lloyd
JGC,
The answer is YES; Tom will be at the Malvern show.
Edith
Good point about not dithering when looking for items you really want at a show. When I work a show I first run through the tables and I look for,and buy immediately what I know is on my mental list and any flat out bargins. I can go through a small show of about 75-50 tables in less than a half hour if it isn’t crowded. I move as fast as I can without being impolite. Sometimes I don’t have the cash and will buy something early, and come up short and miss out on something else before I get through the tables but usually there isn’t that much I miss that I want. You can’t buy everything but you don’t want to miss out. Fish stories do not contribute to building good working gun collections. I don’t want to be like that tire kicker /ATM jockey you mention above. You have to develope an eye for what is collectable or what you are interested in. That comes from research and having a good reference library to extract information from and expand your knowledge. Knowledge at shows is an advantage and will make bargins happen. It has to be in your head already. If a guy walks away for a moment to consult with his “expert” on a cell phone he will miss out if he is competing for an item againist me.Regards ,Robert.
The Findlay, OH “Toys that Shoot” show was last Saturday, and was very well attended. There’s a slightly heavier emphasis on vintage BB guns and toy guns, but there were many fine adult airguns as well. There was one disturbing thing I came away with, however. There were rumors that the Roanoke show is in danger of not taking place this year. Do you have any information one way or another? It would be a real shame if we lost that show, since it is probably the best-attended airgun show east of the Mississippi.
Jim,
The information I have says the Roanoke show will run this year.
B.B.
H&R Topper Jr. 20 ga., I know yours isn’t a Jr. This was my first firearm, at age 14. I used it till I got big enough to shoot a full size shotgun. It went from kid to kid in my little hometown until it got lost. After some 20 years it showed up in someones gun safe and returned to me. I showed it to my wife, she held it, shouldered it and said…”.. I can hold down a window with this.” LOL, Hold down a window??!! My best guess is it was from Gun Smoke, where she got that expression.
I guess I’m naive, but it never would have occurred to me that someone might steal something. I’ve always held “gun people” in much higher esteem than the general population.
@ Malcolm Wrathmoore,
For better or worse, airgunnners and/or powder burners are “just” an other Cross-section of the human species. Flaws and “sticky fingers” included.
Wildey
Malcolm,
I’m glad to admit that I am naive, too. But there is someone who works the airgun shows and when he is caught there will be hell to pay. He removes the contents of boxes and closes them again, so he is tricky. But we now know his M.O., so we are watching.
B.B.
Last Saturday some nut walked into a mall in Alphen on the Rhine (The Netherlands) and opened fire on whoever he saw, leaving six dead and many wounded before killing himself. This “man” had an FAC but reports indicate he had an automatic weapon (illegal over here) and a mental health history.
FAC anyone???
I guess this means another tightening of already fairly strict gun laws.
Wildey
BB:
I think the prudent approach of spending money by air gunners is possibly a reflection of the more reserved nature of air gunning itself….or… we are a bunch of tight wads.
Mike:
Selling the BSA Supersport.
Although the house my brother moved to was bigger,the garden was a lot smaller.Also his wife was making noises about not having guns round the house with kids etc.
The twin boys are now aged 11 and growing strong thanks.My brother kept his Gamo Compact though, so he takes the lads out for a shoot with that.
Kevin:
When judging the ‘Big Mac’ one has to look at what proceeded it in Britain.
The Wimpy burger 🙁
In comparison the ‘Big Mac’ is a taste sensation.
Your offer sounds real good to me mate.
Cheers.
DaveUK
“I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.” Wimpy from the Popeye cartoon
Matt61:
I’m sure J Wellington Wimpy would turn in his grave if he knew what was offered up in his name.
DaveUK
RE: Wimpy from the Popeye
I hate getting asked rhetorical questions by waitresses and sales people.
Waitress – “I’ll just drop off he menu and be back in a few minutes to get your drink order. — OK? — ”
Herb – “No, please take my order now” as the waitress just walks off..
Waitress – “No hurry to pay the check. Pay whenever you’re ready.”
Herb – “Sweet, I get paid on Friday. I’ll be back then to pay.”
Waitress doesn’t know what to say at this point…
I have actually ordered a burger, and after the above scenario said “Sweet. I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.” I don’t think there is a 20 something waitress alive who has any idea where that line came from. I just get the “What kind of idiot are you?” look.
LOL,
Herb
B.B. given the rising popularity of airguns, do you see airgun shows getting bigger all the time? Too bad about the thievery at gun shows. Stealing a man’s guns is pretty low.
Victor, interesting about the muscle tension required in shooting. I thought that natural point of aim was defined by absolute muscle relaxation and only structural support. Nancy Tompkins says that she has actually fallen asleep in her prone position. But David Tubb says that slight muscle tension is actually better. This is an extra level of complexity and something that one probably has to work out by feel.
Pete, Clint Fowler says that he can get his M1s and M1As to go sub minute every time. The secret is to adjust the gas system so that the piston does not move before the bullet leaves the barrel. I believe that the moving piston is what hampers semiautos relative to bolt-action guns; it’s why the AR-15 can shine with its direct-impingement system. So, if you adjust the gas system to remove the piston action before the bullet leaves, you have effectively created a single shot rifle in terms of moving parts. Otherwise, the gun is fitted with extra lugs and has glass bedding, a match trigger, truing of parts and the usual. Without this, the Garand shoots worse. I believe that the military minimum was 4MOA, and without gas adjustment would be pretty erratic within that range. Clint mentioned that some of his service rifles have shot 1/8 inch five shot groups at 100 yards but he admitted that this is beyond the gun’s capabilities. This is a clear case of a statistical outlier from shooting tens of thousands of groups. A three shot cloverleaf, I think, is less obviously an outlier but as was pointed out, you simply can’t know.
As a general question about statistics, I’m curious how much our shooting situations even meet the criteria for applying statistics. I know that statistics would apply to a catapult in a lab firing dice into the air 10 million times. But that is a wholly mechanical process different from shooting where the human elements of will, intention, and skill are actively cultivated. Can statistics describe this human element? Or does the human element always qualify the use of statistics? As an example, I might be having a bad day with my IZH 61 and spray shots all over the place. But then one or a small set of shots might come together where before I release the trigger, I know as sure as I know my name that I am going to hit a dead center pinwheel–and I do. What seems to be a clear cause and effect process right in the middle of the shot seems to be outside the province of statistics. One a related topic, doesn’t this phenomenon of knowing you will hit in advance indicate that the gun in question is better than our human capability? For even one instance of the above (unless we are talking ESP which is decidedly unscientific) then the gun cannot be detracting from my conscious intention–so it must be better than me, you would think.
Thanks for the information on the Mosin. The other day another piece of the puzzle fell into place. Someone makes a match trigger drop in for the Mosin. So, if you combine this with a refurbished Mosin that already meets the Russian standards for sniper rifles and you handload for the gun, you should have a super rifle easily sub-minute for a cheap price. And while I understand that the Soviet PU scopes were not very high-powered (4X), I expect that they were solid and reliable, and apparently the mount was exceptionally stable. By being offset, it even allowed you to use the iron sights. Now, I ask you, just because I can visualize this so clearly at a decent price, why am I compelled to actually buy it? Why can’t I just be satisfied thinking about it…..?
Watching my share of YouTube videos, I get the sense that the ability to work a bolt-action rapidly is virtually a lost art. People are always dropping the gun out of the cheek weld. And what is most exasperating is palming the bolt handle. This seems to be a very bad idea with the moving contact surfaces. Of course it works to cycle the action, but it breaks down at speed. Just about the only person online who I’ve seen with really impressive skill is one guy working an Enfield. He was slick. My sense of rapid bolt technique is 1. preserving cheek weld 2. fingers firm on the grasping ball and loose in the wrists 3. Work the bolt evenly without rushing. I’m wondering if you can work bolt-actions on airguns like the Marauder rapidly. I’m guessing not since the bolt cycle rotates the magazine as well. I’m guessing that this increases tension like a double action trigger pull.
Matt61
Matt,
A well-run show will grow, there is no doubt. But one that is slipshod will languish.
The success of the show is up to the promoter, not what the show is about.
B.B.
Matt61,
Muscle tension applies mostly to non-prone shooting, which is why you’re read conflicting opinions by those two greats, Thompson and Tubbs. Also, this tension cannot work against your natural point of aim. I experienced this the most in the kneeling position. Conventional wisdom dictates that your position should be as straight up as possible, so in the kneeling position, that would mean that your elbow should rest mostly on top of your knee. I was able to clean the kneeling position when I stretched out a bit to where my elbow was actually more in front of my knee than on top.
In the offhand position, some shooters (definitely not me) will find a slight twist that effectively finds another natural point of aim, and better balance. It really depends on your body. That’s why you’ll see some shooters, and in particular women, who seem to have an exaggerated hip extension in the offhand position. Again, it really depends on your body. I’m not particularly flexible, so a slight stretch wouldn’t be as visible on me. When I was in physical therapy, I was told that I was built like a tank. I maxed out the traction equipment, and it was still difficult to derive benefits from this equipment. My physical therapist had to resort to literally climbing on top of me to effectively work my body. My wife found this to be hilarious.
Looking back, I did have a very low prone position. I have, in fact, had my position checked during competition, where they take a triangle to verify that the position is legal (international of course – NRA has much more relaxed rules). That low position does result in more stretch.
This finding of the best position, including stretching, is what I experimented with before reaching a new plateau. The best positions for me were different from what I was taught to do. But they made a huge difference. Each shooter is different, so what works for one, may not work for another.
Victor
“Now, I ask you, just because I can visualize this so clearly at a decent price, why am I compelled to actually buy it? Why can’t I just be satisfied thinking about it…..?”
You what it to see the wood and metal ready for use, to hear the bang, to feel the recoil, and see the bullet impact were you aim. It’s why we shoot and it’s great fun!
Mike
Matt61 wrote:
**As a general question about statistics, I’m curious how much our shooting situations even meet the criteria for applying statistics. I know that statistics would apply to a catapult in a lab firing dice into the air 10 million times. But that is a wholly mechanical process different from shooting where the human elements of will, intention, and skill are actively cultivated. Can statistics describe this human element? Or does the human element always qualify the use of statistics? As an example, I might be having a bad day with my IZH 61 and spray shots all over the place. But then one or a small set of shots might come together where before I release the trigger, I know as sure as I know my name that I am going to hit a dead center pinwheel–and I do. What seems to be a clear cause and effect process right in the middle of the shot seems to be outside the province of statistics. One a related topic, doesn’t this phenomenon of knowing you will hit in advance indicate that the gun in question is better than our human capability? For even one instance of the above (unless we are talking ESP which is decidedly unscientific) then the gun cannot be detracting from my conscious intention–so it must be better than me, you would think.**
What I was writing about yesterday was essentially assuming either a world class shooter or a bench rest. 😉 Essentially my comment before about taking the shooter out of the equation. You _can_ describe the shooter as a gaussian distributor with standard deviations in X and Y and factor that source of error in too. I don’t think people are gaussian, however. And they are certainly not symmetric about the center of the bull — you can go to the ISSF website today and look at the world cup results in air gun competitions. When you look at the details, you can see the individual shot strings of every competitor; it’s hard to tell much about the finalists since the pellet diameter is about half of the half-width at half max of the distributions. But the folks in the middle of the pack don’t look quite symmetric. But, heck, a gaussian shooter is a good first approx. I don’t know how you figure in good days vs bad days except to expand the standard deviation assigned to the shooter.
What you’re describing happens to me, tho’ not as often as I would like. I just settle into the Zone and know that my hand quit wobbling, the sights are aligned, and when I squeeze off I “know in advance” the shot is true. And most of the time that’s what happens, but not always. I can’t tell whether the real ‘thought’ about the shot is something present in my mind before the trigger breaks or afterward; it all happens much too quickly. My guess is that it is a post-shot judgment.
My guns are better than I am with one exception, and I know I’m better than it. I also know that my new pistol is much easier to shoot than my old ones, so I do get better scores with it — the good grip and trigger improve me. I don’t think there’s any such thing as ESP.
I’ll repeat and rephrase some remarks I just made to yesterday’s blog.
RE: A Gaussian shooter
Standard answer – it depends. If you plot a histogram of individual shots for group size, then the histogram will be skewed. The plot of the zero side will be narrower than the plot towards larger group sizes. Essentially you can’t have a group size less than zero. You can have essentially an infinitely large group size.
The same would not hold if you were calculating the X-Y deflection from the average POI. You can for example be wide left or wide right. The RMS distance however will always be greater than zero.
If you plot say the average of five 3-shot groups, then the average of five groups will be more Gaussian than plotting the individual shots. The more groups you average, the more Gaussian the distribution will be.
So there is much latitude in how you analyze the data.
RE: Tight 3 shot group
If we just measure group size then we just have one measurement. But we have three shots. So we take the X-Y position of each shot and calculate an average X-Y position for the POI. Now we calculate the RMS distance from the average POI to each shot. We get three measurements. We lose one degree of freedom because we calculated the average POI. We lose another degree of freedom to calculate the average distance to the average POI. But we still have one degree of freedom left to estimate the variability of the distance to the average POI. So we can calculate the average distance to the POI and the standard deviation for that measurement.
So by using a poor test, the group size, we got less information out of the three shots than was actually there. This is why your gut is telling you one thing about a tight group when a single measurement of group size is less meaningful. It is all about how you setup the tests…
Regards,
Herb
If I plot a histogram for group size, of course it’s skewed because there’s a “pole” effect. You can’t score more than 10 (ok, 10.9 in a final) or alternatively, a radius can’t be less than zero. But the more useful thing is to plot X & Y coordinates for the center of each shot. Those should be gaussian about the center of the distribution.
And yes, if you only shoot 3 shots you can calculate a zero and a standard deviation. But the errors due to the few shots will be enormous. Your gut tells you a single tight 3-shot group is a useful measure, when you would be much better off to fire “a few more” shots. 10 gives you much more reliability.
Agree with you of course Pete.
If you measure X and Y deflection separately then you could test for vertical or horizontal stringing. You end up calculating four parameters (mean and standard deviation of both X and Y).
If you measure RMS distance to average POI then you are pooling X and Y data and can’t measure stringing. You fit three calculate parameters (average POI, mean RMS distance, and standard deviation of RMS distance).
Absolutely no doubt that more groups is better. My point of course was that just measuring group size isn’t as efficient an estimator as measuring each individual shot. Measuring each shot makes as efficient an estimator as possible. Just measuring group size throws away information.
It just depends on what hypothesis you want to test.
Sorry what I meant to say in first sentence:
Standard answer – it depends. If you plot a histogram of the individual measurements of group size, then the histogram will be skewed.
If you plot the average of a number of groups, then the distribution gets more Gaussian. Also as the number of groups in the average increases, the standard deviation will decrease.
B.B. Just got a pistol from Crosman’s custom shop. Ordered with the LPA rear sight. For the life of me I can not figure out how to mount the sight. It came with allen wrench, adjustment tool, and what appears to be a set screw, but I don’t see any place on the sight or the steel breech to secure set screw. If you or anyone can help, greatly appreciated. Otherwise I’ll contact Crosman tomorrow….Bub
After further examination I concluded the two small screws on the front corners must be the mounting bolts. Seems to work anyway. Oddly seem to have an extra part (set screw) leftover….Bub
Bub,
I’m glad you found it because I couldn’t have helped. Crosman customer service is the place to ask.
B.B.
I have not been on the forum/blog for quite some time now (health), but have received some e-mails about some unfriendliness that has occurred. Hopefully it is overwith now, but I’m always using quotes so here is one to remember:
The tongue like a sharp knife… Kills without drawing blood.
Buddha
Another quote/thought to be pondered:
You can search throughout the entire universe for someone who is more deserving of your love and affection than you are yourself, and that person is not to be found anywhere. You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe deserve your love and affection.
Buddha
Okay I’m done for now. I’ll check back in after a few more doc appointments.
Take care everyone,
rikib 🙂
Hard to believe someone responded to a quote I posted.
Thanks for your quote in return Victor!
rikib 🙂
Good to see you around Rikib and sorry to hear about your health issues.
Hope all gets better for you and your back here with some quotes for us.
J-F
Rick
I always dig your quotes. And your posts in general for that matter. Good to see you here, and you have my most sincere hopes for a speedy complete recovery.
Glad you like the quote, they do take some time to look up. Another doc appointment in a couple hours, this one for my eye. Hell, maybe they’ll do something that helps me shoot better, 🙂
I enjoy looking up the quotes, but always try to not be biased so as not to offend anyone. Gotta go now.
rikib 🙂
rikib,
If they do something to your eye that improves your shooting, let everyone know. I’m sure the guys will line up for the same treatment 🙂
Edith
Well for now they are treating it as an infection, before they try new lens. Still can’t shoot as it is my right eye and I’m a right handed shooter, so can’t focus on much even with scope. 🙂
rikib 🙂
“Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and the wealth that is righteousness”
“But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.”
No doubt about it. Buddha certainly got some things right.
Everyone,
I’ll be monitoring the blog closer than usual through Saturday. Tom & Mac left earlier this morning to go to the airgun show in Arkansas.
Tom will still answer blog comments, but he won’t be online as frequently as usual.
Edith
ahte,
Welcome! Let us know what you have, where you shoot, what you wish to have , etc.
Chuck,
Please stop answering ahte. That is a spam that keeps trying to penetrate our defenses.
I will delete all other answers and any more posts by this unknown source.
Any time a poster compliments the blog without being specific about the topic it is a robotic spam. Those get eliminated.
B.B.
Huh! athe fooled me. Sounded like a real nice person – even though if you rearrange the letters it spells hate.
Formerly I considered the .20 Benjamin dome pellets to be one of the best pellets in my old Sheridan Blue Streak, but the last two tins, purchased mid-summer 2013, were greatly undersize; five shot groups varying between one and half to two inches at 33 feet. Thankfully I have five tins of the old pellets. I switched to Webleys which are very accurate, but unfortunately Pyramid Air no longer stocks them.
Ron,
That’s interesting to know. I’ll watch for it.
B.B.