by B.B. Pelletier
Cybergun brings us this Mini Uzi BB submachine gun. Owners think it’s accurate and today we’ll find out.
Today is accuracy day with the Mini UZI CO2 BB Submachine Gun by Cybergun and I have been awaiting this day with great expectations. That’s because almost every owner review I’ve read about this gun emphasizes how accurate it is. Today, we’ll find out.
To be the most accurate BB submachine gun I have tested, this gun will have to beat the EBOS from Umarex that I tested for you in November 2010. That gun was truly phenomenal at 15 feet on full-auto. About 40 full-auto shots could be covered by a half-dollar.
Forty shots from the EBOS on full-auto at 15 feet made this ragged little group.
Ten Daisy zinc-plated BBs from the EBOS went into this little screamer.
I don’t normally compare guns, but this one time it seems right to do so because we’re talking about accuracy with a BB gun, which is usually nothing special, and other features like firing modes and realism of the guns. So, just this once, I’m relaxing my rules and making comparisons.
And, the Cybergun UZI is coming out looking pretty good. The recoil sensation is so sharp that the wire stock actually stung my face every time I shot the gun. I had to pad it with a shop rag, because at first I thought I had been hit in the cheek by a rebounding BB — it’s that sharp. Holding the gun tight into the shoulder helps a lot, but I think you’ll also need a pad. One of the old jell pads that Pyramyd AIR used to sell would work perfectly for this.
Aside from the face slap, that heavy bolt really does jar you when it moves. No other BB submachine gun has a sensation to match this one.
If this was a pellet gun, I would test several different pellets for accuracy, but most BBs are very similar — especially the ones we can buy here in the U.S. I went with Daisy zinc-plated BBs, which were the same ones I used in the velocity test in Part 2.
The first target was shot at the regulation 15 feet and, as I was getting slapped in the face by the wire stock on every shot, I’m afraid my concentration was not at its best. Still, the 10-shot target was very encouraging. In fact, it encouraged me enough to step back two feet so I could use a doorframe as a support to see how much better I could do.
Not a bad target for the first try. I was encouraged.
This target was shot from two feet farther back (17 feet) and proved that the gun can shoot!
The second target was a real good one, with a group almost as small as the best EBOS group. As you can see, however, the shots are striking the bull a little high, so I adjusted the front sight down four clicks to see what would happen. One more group would tell the story.
The shots moved down in the direction of the sight adjustment. This is another good group, but not as tight as the best EBOS group.
This gun has excellent sights. Coupled with the accuracy, which is well above average, those sights can get you on target a lot farther out than 15 feet. I imagine you could roll pop cans at 20 yards with one of these.
The bottom line
I have to give the accuracy edge to the EBOS. It shot the best groups, hands-down.
But for realism and fun, this Cybergun Uzi is hard to beat. I’m glad they didn’t have BB guns like this when I was a kid, because I couldn’t have afforded to keep them in ammo! And, I would have gotten into a lot more trouble than I did.
Tom,
Your enthusiasm in reviewing bb guns like this makes me hang my head in shame. Although I’d like to consider myself an enthusiast of all guns I’m lying to myself.
In this vein, in my opinion, Dennis paid you the ultimate compliment after seeing you at Malvern when he said,
“Many people know Tom and I hope they’ve grasped his uniqueness. He’s never become jaded. He likes ALL airguns. Tom can put himself in the shoes of a beginner when describing an entry level gun and also enjoy any new technology applied to upscale guns. That’s the difference between Tom & many airgun people. They have one particular facet or one particular airgun & can’t see any sense in talking about anything other than that.
I’m using a lot of words, but maybe I can sum it up by saying that Tom is an 8 year old with a BB gun, he’s a wise collector, has an eye for uniqueness, he’s a target shooter, a 10 meter shooter, a spring gun and PCP enthusiast, all rolled into one.
Welcome back Tom!”
I’m envious of your wonder at every airgun at every level. There’s a lesson for me here.
kevin
Kevin,
Dennis is the guy we really need to admire. He is so unselfish and wants to recognize everyone but himself. He gives an award at every Virginia airgun show to the airgunner he (and others) consider has contributed to most to the hobby that year.. But he never gets the recognition he deserves.
As for my interests, I have them, just like everybody else. But they change from time to time, and I try to remember how I felt about the kind of gun I am testing as I write about it, because the people who are attracted to it right now deserve the best voice possible.
I guess my current interests run to long-range accuracy, the fundamentals of accuracy and the problems of projectiles. And as you know, I appreciate the well-made oldies that you and others also like. I think that BSF S70 is captivating me just a little, at present.
B.B.
B.B.,
Yes, Dennis is an unsung hero in the airgun community. I don’t think many of us realize how far back his contributions reach. His curiousity about airguns and unique in depth testing methods stretch back a long ways. I like how he is always reminding us of the roots of airguns.
The BSF S70 is a prime example of why I will continue to travel many miles to airgun shows. What a find.
Speaking of long range testing………will starlight ever get those cases in stock???!!
kevin
kevin,
I didn’t know there was a problem. Maybe the military is buying them all?
B.B.
B.B.,
I meant the longer .38-55 cases that are a better fit for the marlin ballard.
kevin
Kevin,
Oh. You said Starlight, and they make tough gun cases. Starline makes the odd brass. And no, they haven’t made up another run yet. I have been watching.
B.B.
Yes, Starline not starlight. I need another cup of espresso this morning.
kevin
Dennis? Dennis? Dennis Who?
Pete,
Dennis Quackenbush.
B.B.
Hey, that’s a cool picture insert.
Matt61
To BB’s list of talents I would also add: expert airgun appraiser, neo-scientist, armchair physicist, amateur astronomer, cutlery aficionado, ballistics guru, TV personality, detail photographer, public relations agent, theme park actor, husband extraordinaire…the beat goes on.
Don’t forget flashlight luminary…..
Frank,
Very good! I’ll bet there are many others. How about exterminator? No, wait, that’s Edith.
Frank,
I forgot chemist (homemade pelgunoil)
Kevin,
well said..
and I’d like to add that Edith and Tom are also the most welcoming and generous folks one could ever meet…. I’ll never forget the few hours we spent together over breakfast and trading guns in their living room… they are really special folks
Wayne,
Really? The fire ants have been asking about you 🙂
Edith
Edith,
Even with the lovely fire ants.. The two of you out shine all the “less than wonderful” things about Texas.. not that there could be any:-)
Did those fire ants start all those wild fires:-).. instead… you should teach them to put them out!
Wacky Wayne
Kevin,
You said it! I know this to be very true of Tom, & is an attribute/quality that I absolutely love about him. I’ll never forget what Tom said to me many years ago, when I first started collecting. I knew pretty much nothing, other than having a Red Ryder my grandfather gave me as my very first BB gun, when I was only 10 yrs old, back in 1975. Then at 12 I bought a Daisy 179, at 13 a 760, & shortly after, my first CO2 which was a Cr 73, & then not another one til I was 23 & got a Z-77, which is actually what got me started in collecting. I loved that gun & was devastated when it was in the trunk of my 1986 Mazda 626 that got stolen, & I never thought I’d EVER have another one, until one day I remembered that great invention called the internet, & I decided to Google it, just to see if there was a chance, & found his blog, learned about the auction sites where I actually was able to find one, although it was quite a bit more than the $40.00 I originally paid for my first one back in 1988! lol
Anyways, needless to say, I of course was drawn to Tom’s blog with all the coolest airguns I never even knew about, & was instantly VERY intrigued with, the Cr 600, & Tom said, “I’m going to tell you something, that anyone who has ever that anyone who is ever shot a Crosman 600 already knows, & that is, that the Crosman 600 is one of the best pistols that Crosman has ever made!”
Tom spoke with such enthusiasm about that gun, that I drove him nuts about how, where, & how soon I could get I could get one, because I couldn’t wait one weak, yet alone when he said how it can take months & even years sometimes to actually find a really good one at the right price. Well Tom didn’t know me that well yet, & how there was NO way I was nor even could wait that long for one, especially after how enthusiastically he spoke of the 600! Well lucky for Tom, I got lucky, & found one that was a Dave Gunther special, & bought it from Richard P. back east that was modded to the max! It was polished down to the metal, had a Walther Loather barrel, bulk fill, with a silver BSA red dot, & was shooting over 600fps dead on tac driver! 😀
That was my first edition to my collection, & now I’ve had well over 400 airguns, & currently have around 200 in my collection, with everything fri all the classic Crosmans, to 10 PCPs, 5 big bores, every variant if the 600 in 99% condition, with the boxes, manuals, etc., 2 more BF 600s, 2 BF LDs, & even a chrome 600 too! 😀
Tom’s awesome attitude toward ALL airguns, has created a monster, but a VERY happy monster! 😀
Tom has done far more for me than I can even talk about, & I can truly say, if it weren’t for Tom’s incredible enthusiasm, all of his help, & immense patience…. I would have never been as motivated as I was & still am, to get me here AND still be as excited about it, as when I got that first 600!
Tom, I can only wish that I could somehow truly express just how grateful I really am for all your help over the years, & I must also take a moment to thank Edith as well, because she is not just a great woman, but like Dennis, I feel that she deserves a lot more recognition than most people even know.
So thank you both VERY much for all the time, help, & very hard work that you both have put into this hobby, in more ways than most will ever know.
VERY sincerely,
Mike E. aka TheBBA
not really into the design but its a cool little back yard gun i guess
This is my plan for a BB submachine gun. Umarex EBOS, airsource to paintball adapter, and a 12 or 20 oz paintball tank. Obviously the shoulder stock would not fit over the PB tank.
Does anyone out there have any experience with the EBOS to know if there is a potential problem with this setup other than maniacal giggling and BB shortages?
BB,
This is off topic, but some thing I really need to know.
I bought a Benji Disco about a year and a half ago. Did power and 3 screw trigger mods and it was a tack driver and a hammer. Then I acquired a Sumatra 2500 carbine and some how foolishly decided I did not need a single shot so I traded the Disco. Regretted it almost immediately.
Fast forward to yesterday. Got a package from UPS with that very same Disco!! It had been sold twice on yellow and when I saw it for only $175 I had to buy it.
Now the only problem is that the last buyer bedlinered it!!! He said the stock “was just plain walnut.” As if bedliner is better than “just plain walnut”. And I hate bedliner! So do you or any one know how to get the bedliner off short of sand blasting the stock? I am hoping some one knows of a chemical that will take bedliner off with out damaging the wood.
Help any one?
Maybe you can find someone who likes bedliner and trade him your stock for a “plain walnut” one?
J-F
pcp4me
I believe Derrick uses something called Citra strip or something like that. I think it is also environmentally friendly as far as strippers go. Frank B probably has some ideas.
I’m guessing your belt sander is broken? 😛
P.S. I had all my walnut trees out back bedlinered.
pcp4me,
Bedliner on a wood gunstock is a pet peeve of mine.
You’ve got a lot of work ahead of you starting with a heat gun and putty knife and ending with a powerful paint stripper. Because the typical disco stock has lots of filler you will probably end up with a mess after all that effort.
There are so many take off disco stocks out there because of the custom disco stocks that I would place a WTB (Want To Buy) on the yellow and sell the bedliner stock.
kevin
I have to agree with Kevin’s wisdom here….(the only time we disagree is when I’m wrong).Either swap it for another to someone who likes the feel of truck beds…..or burn it.Hate the stuff!
OK, I’ll be the dummy; What is bedliner?
I thought it was some kind of material to support the barrel for better accuracy, but you wouldn’t take that off with a belt sander, so help me out.
Thanks
MCA
It’s the stuff they spray in the bed of pick-up trucks, it’s non-slippery, anti-corrosion, washable etc… great for pick-up beds but no so great on a gun stock…
J-F
Off topic but I’ll be in the US soon and I was thinking about buying the Gamo PT-85
/blog/2011/03/gamo-pt-85-blowback-tactical-air-pistol-part-2/ (among other airguns) as I liked the longer barrel and it’s promised increase in accuracy and was wondering if you would do 3rd part (or did I just missed it)?
J-F
J-F,
Avoid this pistol!
Not only did the barrel fall out, the scope base doesn’t fit together well and the gun is on my desk still in ill-fitting parts.
I said this as a comment, there will be no part 3 for this gun.
B.B.
WOW that’s sad!
It does have pretty good reviews, between the socom and tactical versions they have 15 reviews 14 are 4 or 5 stars with only one 3 star review. This is a big deception, I wasn’t interested in the full tactical version I wanted the socom one mainly for the longer barrel and the accuracy that’s supposed to come with it and the single action that come with it being a blowback pellet pistol.
🙁
J-F
J-F
What other airguns are on your list? I am very curious. Whenever I think of traveling somewhere, I always consider what I could buy there that would not otherwise be available. Are Slavia air rifles available in Canada?
I purchased two air pistols recently. A used Beeman P3 SSP, and the new Benjamin Maurauder pistol. So far the P-Rod is a total dog. I don’t know what the problem is, but I will order some more pellets, and clean up the crown, which looks like it was finished by rabid farsighted beavers. Or maybe I will send it back to Crosman. Their CS department is usually very good.
The P3 is a great shooter, good weight and seemingly accurate, though I will never know to what extent, because I just can’t bring myself to put a scope on it. It is difficult to cock, and the finish on the dovetail irritates my hand after awhile. Next shooting session I will wear a glove on my cocking hand (left) and I am sure I will gleefully shoot a half tin of pellets without complaint.
I still don’t own a single CO2 gun, so I cannot comment on the Gamo. The EBOS may be my first.
I would like a Marauder Pistol more than anything but wouldn’t be allowed to bring it back here because of the shroud but I may someday bring one back anyways as it is everything I want in an airgun, (in no particualr order : lightweight, takedown, PCP, quiet, repeater and accurate) but yours being a complete dog is kinda of a cold shower for me.
So I was thinking of maybe going with a crosman silhouette with the shoulder stock.
Maybe a Walther PPQ (anyone else tried one) but the cartridge piercing problems is holding me back and I get one for around the same price here anyways.
I’m also interested in the Umarex SteelStorm from PA that I would order with the bulk fill adaptor from PA, I think it looks better than the EBOS (it looks like a space gun to me).
Probably an action pistol or two and some accessories and supplies depending on what I can find in stores I’ll be visiting.
I have no plan for rifles as I’m pretty well equipped with what I have right now in the new models department.
Slavias can still be found here but haven’t been imported here in a few years. I just checked a few dealers and was only able to find the CZ 200 S/200 T and 630 from one dealer here.
Anything else I should be looking for?
J-F
Slinging,
If you want to try CO2 I recommend a .22 cal QB 79 and sending it to Rich in Mich. He adds a little spacer to the riser so all the 9 ounce paint ball tanks will fit. (The new aluminum ones are too wide otherwise) Then he takes it from 8 ft lbs to 18 ft lbs. Trigger is slicked up also and you can have him shroud the barrel at the same time. The paint ball tank will give you 500 shots and costs $2.00 to fill. I bought a 4 spares on eBay at under $10.00 each.
Off subject, relating more to yesterdays blog . For Chuck and any other riders on here. I was just sent this and found it very moving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksdBSVAM6g
shaky,
Wow! It’s like I have sextuplet brothers.
I would have gotten into a lot more trouble than I did.”
Ah, but think of all the wasps you could have eradicated for your mom. :->
Joe,
You have been reading my old stories. 😉
B.B.
I laughed at your mention of how much ammo this thing would have eaten up if you had one when you were younger.
We buy the RWS b.b.’s which come in a 1500 count bottle.
The boys can easily go though a full bottle in an afternoon when we take the Storms to the range.
Good review…thanks Tom. The bolt recoil has me adding this fun gun to my PA Wishlist for later.
You did not mention it (or did I miss it?) that the decreased accuracy compared with the EBOS might have been from the bolt recoiling.
I bought a bb submachine gun back in the 90s but returned it. I could have gotten the same results from filling my mouth with bbs and ‘whooshing’ them out single file. VERY weak gun.
Joe,
I think you had a Lark, Freon-powered BB gun.
B.B.
And the EBOS is still the winner as I’m gratified to see although this Uzi is good too.
Back from Hawaii where I managed to fit in a range session. One group of 16 or so with the 1911 at 25 yards was 2 inches in vertical diameter. Hello Lt. Col. Bonsall! But the horizontal spread was about 8 inches. And it was about 9 inches below my aimpoint. So, someone is heeling his gun with pretty good consistency. Argh, the .45 ACP has enough recoil in a small enough package that the airguns do not really seem to prepare me, so one has to relearn it every time out on my infrequent range trips. I suppose I could buy a P1 for $400 to practice recoil if I was minded that way….
I have to admit that that real star of the show was the Ruger Single Six. I aimed at a dark spot on the 50 yard berm and kicked up the dirt all around it with both the LR and the WMR. I begin to understand the business about dotting an i with your pistol. With the 1911, I didn’t even hit the dirt but heeled into the grass in front. There was also an interesting teaching moment. My Dad did okay with the .45 at 25 yards, but could not even get on cardboard, let alone paper, with the Single Six. I had him shoot high, low, left and right (although I wasn’t sure about his compliance) and absolutely no bullet strike anywhere. What do you suppose the problem was? Turned out he wasn’t even using the rear sight which I found out later!!
I’m starting to hope that the story of Josef Sepp Allerberger, the German WWII sniper is fictional. Never in my life have I read anything so grotesque and revolting as what goes on in this book. What most war memoirs pass off as “indescribable” is really described here. But there are points of interest. Even the master sniper says that the Mauser rifle had such a powerful kick that the regular soldiers hardly hit anything in combat and had their shoulders bruised after 40 or 50 shots. With the abuse that the German soldiers were expected to endure, I’d say this is solid evidence that this is too much gun. Also, there is the question of how one pulls through really horrible situations, like zombie scenarios for instance. The answer provided by the example of the master sniper seems to be an overall phlegmatic outlook–even in the worst circumstances, he does not get rattled or at least minimizes whatever happens as much as possible. Fictional or not, this correlates with studies of other people who are successful on the battlefield.
Race car drivers, I watched the onboard cameras in the Indy 500 and was fascinated by the amount of corrective movement on the steering wheel. I thought that rack and pinion steering was very responsive, so how can they move the wheel so much at high speed?
Matt61
Consider the effect of a small pinion… Say, hypothetically, a 12-tooth pinion vs a 24-tooth one. A 90deg rotation of the 12-tooth pinion will only have half the effect on the rack as the same rotation with a larger 24-tooth. The drivers probably don’t want a ratio where hitting a bump will result in quarter lock turning; rather a ratio where they can be quite precise.
OTOH, the 12-tooth probably has less back-force to turn a given angle, being smaller diameter {this is all mental exercises — I’ve not dug up an intro to physics to work out torques}
matt61,
Maybe an expert can set me straight, here, but I think what you’re seeing in that steering wheel movement is not from the driver but is feedback from the road. The Indy surface is not glass smooth but the drivers like to feel the road. The steering is that sensitive that it transmits the imperfections in the road surface to the driver.
Matt61, “Mauser rifle had such a powerful kick that the regular soldiers hardly hit anything in combat and had their shoulders bruised after 40 or 50 shots. With the abuse that the German soldiers were expected to endure, I’d say this is solid evidence that this is too much gun.”
I have shot Mauser Rifles for years, also with vintage ammo. It just does not kick that hard. It is in the same league as our Springfield 30-06. I really don’t know where he got that idea. It can bruise you if you hold too loose, but basic training will take care of that.
Mike
Anyone have any ideas what gun I should look for at the show coming up?
What do you want to do with the gun? Plink? Target shoot? Hunt? Next, do you want a spring piston rifle, a gas ram, a PCP, a CO2 or do you want a pistol ? Then decide how much do you want to spend. You will pay the fair amount for whatever you buy – the people who attend these shows and buy tables to sell their arms know what they’re doing. Wprejs, it’s hard to answer a question like this. Only you can.
Perhaps you should go to the PA website and do their questionaire as to what you’re looking for and then see if you can find that rifle used at the show. You may and you may not. I would advise going to the show with a choice of several guns in mind that you could buy. Perhaps you’ll be lucky enough to have a choice. You may not even see what you want. You won’t know till you get there.
Fred PRoNJ
Several readers asked if Pyramyd AIR could start selling more Weihrauch guns. They’re going to be bringing in the HW30S in .177 only & with iron sights. They’re not planning to import the HW85/nickel or the HW57.
Edith
Thank you for the update.
The HW30S with iron sights is a classic that belongs on PA’s shelves.
BB,In a search I did on Whiscombe barrel change,of course your 4 part series came up.In rereading it,
I found where you made mention of your method of tuning the HOTS system.You mentioned that you had learned to make “larger” changes until the results begin to show.Now I know it wasn’t just yesterday,but do you remember aproximately how large? You do remember what a pain it is to the unfamiliar! Any advise would be greatly apreciated.I have a brand new .25 & .177!
Frank,
Here is what I meant by large changes. The threads on the HOTS are very fine, so you can turn the weight a lot and get little movement. So I’m talking about 10, 20 and even 40 turns before results start to show.
B.B.
Hey guys, off topic question like usual but my Ruger airhawk elite scope keeps falling off Ive used Loc-tite but it fell of any way?
P.S can i get iron sights for my airhawk elite because it looks like the screws would allow a front sight
Wojtek
wprejs,
What is it that gets loose? The rings from their bases? The ring caps? The bases from the gun?
Your open sights question should be asked on Umarex USA, as they import and distribute the Riger air rifles.
B.B.
wprejs,
I feel your pain. I have the Ruger AirHawk, not the Elite version, but the problem is the same. My scope kept backing up until it slid off the rails in back. I bought a Beeman (I think) scope stop that fixed the problem. It clamped to the rails with two screws. I put it against the back of the rear scope ring which solved the sliding scope problem.
I looked on the PA site because I wanted to send you the link but I can’t find it anymore.
The UZI BB is a neat gun. It would be even better if it could fire four or six shot bursts. Perhaps someday.
Mike
Hi Mike. So would I be right in assuming that if I find out how to modify the Uzi to auto it will be a one pull of the trigger and it empties the clip and not be able to pull and release for bursts? And has anybody found out what the front clicking collar on the barrel of this Uzi is for? I have always wanted a BB or pellet machine gun since shooting the Thompson looking machine guns at the State fairs as a kid. Would anybody know where I could find one or more of these Thompson looking guns from these fairs? (new or used) I always wondered If I could modify the state fair guns with a portable tank of some kind. Anybody and everybody’s responses are greatly needed and appreciated. Thanks, Mario
I’ve been off the blog/forum for a couple weeks now. First due to health then due to dsl outage. A fellow mate told me that avatars where being used now, very nice.
One thing I came across when I came back was a post that mentioned “Rickib”, has someone gone as low as to change one letter in another user’s name, or was this just an error. Do I need to come up with a new user name?
A quote so to let you know it is me:
A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.
Albert Einstein
rikib 🙂
rikib,
No, B.B. misspelled your name in a blog posting. I just corrected it.
Edith
Edith,
Thank you! And thanks for the avatars nice new touch.
rikib