Today reader RidgeRunner, tells us more about his experience shooting his Gamo Bone Collector Gen3i. If you’d like to write a guest post for this blog, please email me at blogger@pyramydair.com.
Take it away, RidgeRunner
RidgeRunner’s Swarm Gamo Bone Collector Gen3: Part Two
by RidgeRunner
Gamo Swarm Bone Collector.
This report covers:
- Some more range time
- Pellets
- At the range
- Trigger
- Loading
- So, how did she do?
- What does the future hold?
- Summary
Some more range time
The truth is, I really did not expect to spend as much range time with this Gamo Swarm Bone Collector this soon, but since it was still pretty early in the day and not yet too hot I thought I would drag it out to the range and do a little break-in and familiarization shooting.
Pellets
As I was not expecting much out of this thing, the only pellets I brought with me were a brand new tin of H&N Excite Hammers. They weigh in at around 14.66 grains and are some of the most economical (read cheap) pellets available from PyramydAIR in .22.
At the range
Now, let’s talk about what I was doing with this thing this morning at the range. After the fiasco of the other day, I decided I needed to spend a lot more time with this air rifle and learn to shoot it halfway decent before deciding if it will stay here or not.
Something I did a little different this time around was I rested the rifle on top of a rolled up towel on top of my shooting bags. This allows the air rifle to move some and is much steadier than my paw. Whether I like it or not, I am not as good at shooting sproingers as I used to be.
Trigger
Something I paid real close attention to this time around was the trigger. The second stage did seem to break pretty crisply, especially if your name is Hercules. Can you say “hard to pull”? I am thinking I can lighten it up a bit. I just hope it will still be a crisp let-off when I get done.
Loading
To be quite honest, I am not impressed with these new multishot sproingers. Having two magazines loaded up and ready helps a whole bunch, but loading the magazines can be quite a pain.
I have discovered that if you use the Air Venturi Pellet Pen to load and seat the pellets in the magazines of this repeater, they are much easier to load. Of course, you have to load the Pellet Pen first, so why bother? I have not looked at converting this to a “normal” (coiled steel mainspring) break barrel yet, but I may do such in the near future.
So, how did she do?
Surprisingly, she did pretty good so far. As I said earlier, I am not much of a sproinger shooter anymore. It was heating up at the range fairly quickly, so I was only able to shoot three magazines out of this gal. Here is a photo of the group made by the last magazine-full of pellets I shot with her.
I have a long way to go yet.
Shooting at twenty-five yards, I was able to put ten of these Hammer pellets in two and five-eighths inches, but seven are in one and three-quarter inches.
What does the future hold?
I am not really sure what I am going to do with her. I am giving serious consideration to removing the magazine thingy and turning this into a single shot. Another thing I am considering is seeing if I can convert her over to a metal spring instead of this gas spring. This would guarantee she stays here. This would also make her more tunable.
Of course, I could just find a new home for this gal. If she stays I would most definitely see if I could improve that second stage trigger pull without making it real mushy.
Are Gamo sproingers better?
The main reason I am playing around with this thing is to see if, in my honest opinion (IMHO), Gamo has improved their sproingers any. That is a tough call. I will have to play with this thing a whole bunch more to give you folks what I would consider an honest answer.
Is the magazine worth it? Not in my opinion. I would rather use a Pellet Pen than this hoakie gimmick. Supposedly this will give you folks who cannot hit the broad side of a barn even when standing inside a quick follow-up shot. Well, if you could not hit it the first time, what makes you think you are going to hit it with the second shot?
I do have to say that the Gamo SAT trigger on this sproinger is better than they used to be many years ago. Now if Gamo would just lighten this trigger pull up a bit it would be a pretty good trigger. I am certain they know how. Getting them to do it is another matter. Like I said, I will see what I can do.
Summary
This is my opinion. I give it to you freely, and that is what it is worth. I think Gamo might be on to something here if they would just step back a minute and take a serious look at where they are going. Do they want to build serious airguns or are they just hoping for the quick kill? Maybe they should take a look at what Weihrauch has done.
Sounds like they don’t shoot these guns before they send them out from the factory. I always thought accuracy was supposed to be a major part of the development of a new gun, but I guess not this case. So sad because this brand fills the shelves of the majority of the big box stores.
Brent
Brent,
That is the quick kill. Selling containers filled with these air rifles at a cheap price to these “big box stores”. Apparently Gamo does not want to spend the money on research or new parts as these would cut into profits. They still believe that acquiring more reputable companies such as BSA and Daisy will improve their reputation. I can see where such may improve their bottom line, but a Gamo is still a Gamo.
From what I have read and heard, Gamo PCPs are pretty decent. If I am not mistaken, Gamo acquired their knowledge from BSA.
I agree about the PCPs. I have a friend who has a Gamo Urban which is really nice. Maybe you need to go to Wally World and buy some Gamo pellets. It might be like some Crosman guns and shoot better with its own pellets.
Brent
Brent,
The very first pellets I ordered were Gamo. I still have them. No thank you.
Brent,
Think that most products are designed to target a specific consumer niche and when evaluating a potential purchase I try to identify that niche to decide whether I’m interested in that or not.
In (casually) looking at this airgun I’d say that it’s designed for shooters who want to smack tin cans at 15 to 20 yards. Hitting hard is more important than hitting precisely and (questionable? ) gimmicks like a multi shot break barrel are welcome 😉
Nothing wrong with 6-8 MOA accuracy if you are happy shooting at 10 MOA targets. Each to their own eh.
Hank
Hank,
This is so true. The problem is the manufacturers try to convince the rest of us that this is also what we want. Gamo sponsors squirrel and iguana hunts and usually has well known airgun reviewers go on these hunts to help convince people to buy their products. The sad part is these reviewers want sponsorships to continue to earn their living.
I personally only have one Gamo and it is the Accu .22 (no longer made). I have had it for 8 years and it is shooting great and have had no issues with it. It is a mechanic springer and do wonder if that is still why it is still going strong. I have many springers from the 80’s/90’s (mainly Beeman’s) that are still shooting great. I question the longevity of air pistons, even if they spend most of their time in a safe? I have had 3 just quite holding air and probably didn’t have more than 300 shots through them mostly Hatsan vortex pistons. To get them fixed would cost close to just buying new ones. I would love to just be able to replace the dead air pistons with mechanical spring pistons. Gamo only offers a few springers and mainly offers air pistons at pretty reasonable costs. However with most break barrels that are lined with plastic, have mechanical loaders and are an air piston, it just doesn’t seem to me that they will last very long compared to my old Beeman’s. I want an break barrel airgun that will last a long time. I can’t afford to buy disposable guns like Gamo seems to be selling.
RR,
Does the Charlie the Tuna, trigger fit your Bone Collector?
-Y
Yogi has a good suggestion in looking at a Charlie Da Tuna (CDT) trigger. The one I put into my 2013 Gamo Whisper Fusion made the trigger the best part of the gun. With open sights, it is a nice plinker. The wiggly barrel block rules out use of a scope. It’s good that your barrel is nice and tight when locked in battery.
Has the bore been cleaned with the brass brush and bore paste?
It is a good looking gun, I hope it ends up shooting well enough to pay rent at RRHFWA. But you can pass it on at a trade show if not. Have fun!
Will S.,
As I told Yogi, the CDT trigger will not fit, but supposedly the SAT and CAT triggers can be improved. I have not as of yet cleaned the barrel, but I have been shooting it and the previous owner shot it some. The gunk has likely been cleaned out, but I may scrub it out just for giggles.
I really do not hold out much hope for this Gamo in the shooting department, but the price was right so it just may stay. It is nice looking, but I have several ugly looking airguns that shoot real nice. Like I said, if I can get this thing to shoot halfway decent, she just may be allowed to hang around here for a time.
Yogi,
I used one of those in my Gamo CFX. It did indeed improve the trigger assembly immensely. The CDT trigger will not fit in the SAT trigger that this air rifle has, but there is hope. By replacing the screw behind the trigger with one that is available, the SAT and the CAT triggers can be greatly improved, from what I have heard anyway. We will likely explore such in the very near future and I will tell you folks about such.
I am hoping to turn this “sow’s ear into a silk purse”. Will it happen? I will tell you folks all about it.
.RR
Don’t know if it will help any, but I have a version of this rifle that I bought “elsewhere”. It is, apparently, an early version as it is a steel spring version. I bought it because I wanted to see what a magazine fed break barrel was like and the price of $109 didn’t hurt, either.
Anyway, it seems to shoot pretty well. I have only shot it a few times,, less than a tin of pellets or so, but it was hitting my inch and a half spinners at 25 yards pretty regularly,, and that was offhand.
So I’d say you ought to keep her around a while and maybe swap out that gas spring for a steel one. She may not do ballet but with some work will likely polka pretty well.
Ed
Ed,
I will likely be taking her out and writing about her one more time. There are a couple of things I will be trying out with her then. As for swapping out the gas spring, that might happen down the road if these other things look promising. We shall see what we shall see.
P.S. If she will dance a polka, I will be very happy with her.
“I am giving serious consideration to removing the magazine thingy and turning this into a single shot. Another thing I am considering is seeing if I can convert her over to a metal spring instead of this gas spring.”
RidgeRunner, I second both of those options as being good ideas! 🙂
“Maybe they [Gamo] should take a look at what Weihrauch has done.”
Amen!
Maybe Gamo should have done that from the get-go…
FM,
Maybe, but how many Weihrauchs do you see in the big box stores? Do I buy Gamos? No, but I have been known to buy Weihrauchs. I also do not shop for airgun stuff at big box stores.
Makes at least two of us that do not worship at the Big Box Temple.
Make that at least three! 😉
Dave,
We shall see what the future holds for this gal. She might even learn how to dance.
Sweet 😉
Dave,
Do not hold your breath.
Got it, LOL!
It’s a shame that they go through all the trouble of designing a new mag air rifle and overlook the accuracy and trigger.
Gamo is not alone. The last two break barrel rifles I purchased had the same problems to some extent. The BM8 and Crosman Mag Fire Ultra. Perhaps we are an isolated group of perfectionists in the world of airgunning and the rest simply are unaware or just don’t worry about accuracy. It is a major point of conversation here.
If they actually are accurate, it would be nice if they told us exactly how they achieved it. Is it really that hard to achieve with mass production or simply too expensive?
Ridge Runner, I think you may be missing a major point of having a magazine, a faster second shot. Granted there is more time spent in preparation.
It would be interesting to see how much time it would take to load and shoot ten shots in a regular break barrel compared to loading a mag first and firing ten.
Bob,
I second and even third your comment on the BM8. I have tried to mount a more powerful scope on the one I am testing, only to discover that the barrel droop is too severe. I need to install the Sportsmatch adjustable scope mounts to overcome that droop and I’m darned if I’m going to install a $150 scope mount and an expensive scope — just to fix the design flaws of a breakbarrel whose design wasn’t thought through.
I believe I have officially turned into a curmudgeon, thanks to the marketing ploys of airgun company managers who are trying to listen to what the millennials say they want! Jeff Dunham should make a puppet of me! I would be like a Walter without the potty mouth.
BB
I believe my BM8 shot low, but I did not shoot it far and the scope compensated. My Crosman MTR77NP (AR-15 copy) has outrageous droop.
You can only take so much disappointment in life and when you get old it really bothers you. You have had your fill.
Wonder if anybody ever came out with a cure, or modification, for droop other than modifying the sights to compensate?
I don’t know much about the cure for droop (ahem, moving on), but the cure for disappointing airguns is spelled Weihrauch.
Roamin,
I agree completely!
Occasionally you get a product that hits above its price point but for the most part the companies are very skilled in hitting their market target. Quality/performance matches cost.
Bottom line: you get what you pay for.
Have five Weihrauch airguns, all are well designed, well made and a real pleasure to shoot. Not cheap but definitely worth the investment.
Hank
There is a cure, that is what BB is saying. The problem is the cure costs more than the airgun does.
Could always bend the barrel. That’s the good part about cheap air rifles,, if you screw it up,, the experience is worth more than the gun.
Since my house seems to be the black hole for guns of any kind,, since I never sell them once they get here,, my mistakes stay hidden.
Ed
Ed,
The Gamo’s barrel is completely covered with plastic, so it would be almost impossible to bend. I do not see where bending the barrel would do me any good. This air rifle is not a drooper. It just shoots a pretty good size group.
Sorry RR, I meant that for RG, who mentioned droop. As for your Gamo’s “patterns”, like with most springers, it is likely pellet picky and hold sensitive. Might end up a good shooter if one were to commit enough time and effort to it.
But, at our age,, we only have so much time and effort left,, so what we use it on becomes the bigger question.
Ed
Ed,
Being retired, I have lots of time to fool with these things. That is when Mrs. RR does not have a long list of projects for me to work on. 😉
RR
For me,, it seems that I get less done even tho I have more time to do it. I still know how but I sometimes get,,,, look, a squirrel.
Where was I?? Oh yeah.
Ed
LOL! I do understand those pesky squirrels myself. They can be very distracting at times. Mrs. RR does help me keep focused sometimes.
There have been times when she has been an enabler though. This morning she was showing me some wild turkeys in the yard.
If a Curmudgeon Contest were to be held and Mrs. FM be the judge of curmudgeon-ness, she would very likely rule in favor of the Worst Half. Feel your pain, BB – that is why FM can hardly stand any commercials on TV or other media ads in these times. The disease is not only found in airgun marketing spheres…it is everywhere. The underlying theme of it all is “Dare To Be Mediocre!”
FM,
When our daughter was five, she was watching the boob tube when a commercial came on advertising a new doll. She turned to us and told us that things did not work as well as they make them appear on TV.
She understood that at five.
Smart girl!
As for “dancing with Gamo,” have not tried the spring-calming treatment on the Whisper Fusion yet but, so far, not impressed.
FM,
You will indeed be most fortunate if your Gamo will dance as well as the Max’s you own.
“Hello, my name is RidgeRunner. I am a curmudgeon.” “Hi RidgeRunner.”
Is it even possible to bend the barrel on the BM8 with all that plastic around the barrel? This is a potential solution for droop.
Kevin,
That would be a toughie.
BB
Bob M,
I did pay real close attention to the magazine. They work great once they are loaded, but they are a real pain in the proboscis to load. I have seen videos that show how fast a magazine equipped air rifle can be reshot versus single loading, but in real life and versus a decent pellet pen they are not that great. If you make the first shot count, you do not need a quick follow up shot. As I have said, I am not that impressed.
It is indeed a shame that many airgun companies do indeed resort to gimmicks to market their latest and greatest rather than have them function properly, but with the new kids who do not know, that is what sells.
RidgeRunner,
Far be it for me to discourage experimentation and tinkering but it looks like you are in for a wild (and expensive) ride with this gal. Hoping for your eventual success.
Siraniko
PS Finally duplicated the status of posting a comment that disappears. WordPress has a built in timer that automatically logs you off. But, if you are previously logged in you can type a comment that will disappear after you post with WordPress telling you that you must be logged in to comment. Of course after logging in your previously typed comment will already have vanished by then.
Siraniko,
I acquired this Gamo in a trade, so my investment in it is minimal. I can afford to “tinker” with it some. I should note that in my “tinkering”, I can usually return the airgun to its original arrangement. I often give much thought to what I am about to do before doing such. Hey, I am retired. I have lots of time to do what I want.
Siranko,
I’m interested in what airguns you shoot and what airguns are available in the Phillipines. I understand CO2 used to be a big thing there, but I’ve seen at least one ad for a PCP rifle from a maker in the Philippines.
Brent
I’m afraid Gamo aren’t really in the market of high quality guns for serious shooters. It’s a shame, as they used to make some decent stuff at the budget end but those days are long gone.
The trigger adjustment screws on all their guns are too short which means that the ‘adjustable trigger’ claims are just a marketing ploy.
Ade C,
Unfortunately, they are not the only ones who use this and other “marketing ploys”.
Ridge,
I’d send this one down the road. There are too many other airguns out there that you want to play with. This doesn’t look like your CFX accuracy reimagined.
Derrick,
No, this is not the CFX reimagined. She will likely end up going down that road. I do want to try to dance with her a bit though. She is right pretty.
Are there better airguns than this? You had best believe it. I have a few I have not even shot yet right here that will make this gal look like a sick puppy.
Would I buy this air rifle? Most emphatically no. Would I recommend it? Again, the answer is no. In there is part of my problem. Who do I foster this POS off on? I know how bad this thing is. This is one of the reasons I am trying to improve it.
This is an excellent example of something we all spend considerable time talking about.
The dreaded Learning Curve!
The good part(not that there is a bad part) of this forum, someone else is doing the Learning! Saving me money. But enabling me at the same time.
Breeze,
You do understand! Unfortunately, some of us are the ones experiencing this “learning curve”. Fortunately for me, it has not been too expensive for you and others to learn this.
Speaking of someone else doing the learning (and troubleshooting, tinkering, tuning), here’s a different sort of comment from me that relates to non-PCP air rifles:
I have a new, unfired, spring piston underlever air rifle with a pop-up single shot loading port that I don’t think has ever been reviewed on this blog. I’d love to get it in the hands of someone here to evaluate, test, and review and report on it as a guest blog. Or BB blog, although being as I live in western New York it’d be easier if that someone lived a lot closer than Texas.
I simply don’t have the knowledge, experience, or ability to do even even a portion of the stuff necessary to do justice to the rifle or provide meaningful insight for a guest blog.
Thoughts? Scott
Scott,
Yes, you do have all that is necessary to report on your rifle. RidgeRunner is letting everything hang out as he tests this Gamo.
It would be more interesting if you told everyone about your rifle than if it was reviewed exactly like everything else on this blog.
These guys would rather hear what you have to say than anyone else. You can do it!
You don’t need a chronograph and for a camera you can use a smart phone.
BB
Me. BB:
Thanks for the vot of confidence. But . . . I have a chronograph and a phone; what I don’t have is a computer with a keyboard. “Typing” more than a couple paragraphs on my phone would be torturous. What I also don’t have is ANY firsthand knowledge of taking a spring piston airgun apart to even report on what I find, let alone do anything about it and then put it back together in operating condition. Never even stood next to somebody while they did to observe. What I know about comes only from reading.
I purposely didn’t identify the rifle as a teaser to pique the readership’s interest. Figured some of you would know or guess PDQ what it is – a Weihrauch HW57 in 22 caliber, circa 2014, NIB and in my hands for exactly 1 wdeek.
Scott,
Okay, that does present a problem. I understand.
As far as taking your rifle apart, you don’t have to do that. A lot of guest blogs are done just by shooting the airgun and nothing more.
How about this. You do your report in pieces, here in the comments. Believe me — this has been done more times than I care to admit!
Just tell us what you like and don’t like about the gun and why. That’s all a blog is. And do it in small, phone-manageable pieces.
BB
I agree with all of BB’s suggestions above. I would add that most smart phones have a voice recognition feature that will do much of the typing for you. If that’s not your cup of tea, I would be happy to help type up your comments. I don’t think BB has ever reviewed that airgun.
ScottJ,
Like I said before, I would happily play with that air rifle some and tell you and the world of my experiences with it. But it is yours. What do you think of it?
Something to keep in mind is as a quest blogger, you have no time constraint as BB does. He has to put something out every day of the week. We do not. We can take as long as we want.
Yes, the Weihrauch was indeed what popped into my head. Please tell us about your experiences with her.
Have you checked the barrel lock up yet? I’ve had issues with this on three or four break barrels. Pivots, pivot washers and the spring detents have been subpar at times. Wonder if the added weight of a shroud on the barrel will cause lockup to be more inconsistent.
I’m sure you checked the stock screws and the scope mounts. Swapped scopes, or are you using one of your UTGs?
The wood stock looks good.
ScottJ,
You can do this! Like BB has said, you do not need all of the fancy equipment to write a decent guest blog. I do happen to have a cheap chrony, but the trigger gauge I have is an old-style manual one not even worth investing in.
All you have to do is tell us of your experiences with your airgun. BB will be happy to guide you along. So you have not been doing this forever. Neither have I. Just let us know about your airgun in your own words.
If you cannot manage to tell us in your own words how this particular air rifle is, you can send it to me, and I will write a guest blog about it. It would be better if you were to do it though.
Do not get me wrong, I would very much enjoy playing with that air rifle of yours. The problem with that is I would not be willing to tinker with it any. It would be much better for all of us if you were to tell us of your experiences with it, the good and the bad.
My writing about this Gamo and my experiences with it are different than BB’s. I present a different point of view than he does. As this is my air rifle, I can do things to it and with it that he cannot. I can tell you folks of my personal struggle to make this gal dance for me. BB has a set testing format to apply to the airguns he shows us. I am not “locked” into a particular test procedure or style. I can go beyond his test format and tell of my own experiences.
You have that opportunity here. What is that air rifle like in the hands of “the average Joe”? Pellet velocities and such are nice, but we do not need that. What we need to know is how she dances in the hands of an owner. You CAN do it, so DO it!
Scott, sorry for my late reply. I live in Northwest PA and perhaps could help you if we are close enough to one another. I have done a couple of guest blogs already (Diana 24J, and the Weihrauch Barakuda). Neither one was disassembled past the stock being removed. I would be happy to either borrow the rifle and do a guest blog or help you type up your thoughts. I’ll stop now and read the rest of the responses to your initial comment.
Scott, I have a couple of decent chronographs, and the light kits for shooting in the basement. I just might spring for a trigger pull scale, too. Been wanting to get one for a while, anyway.
RidgeRunner
I was hoping to see what you could do to help this rifle but fixing the trigger and swapping out the gas for a metal spring won’t be enough. This thing is not even big store accurate. You have to either discover what’s wrong with the barrel or replace it.
You are right about at least one Gamo PCP. My Gamo Urban is consistently 1 MOA or often better for 10 shots at 25 yards. However my Urban was built in the UK and has a BSA barrel. Also the magazine is better designed and easier to load than my Avenger or Diana Chaser magazines. I usually prefer single loading all my guns except my Gamo Urban and Ataman P16.
If you decide to keep it and do major surgery I’m hoping you start with the barrel.
Just my two cents worth.
Deck
Deck,
Swap the barrel out? Not hardly. I am too lazy for that. all I could hope to do is buy another barrel assembly from Gamo and I am not about to do that. That company has made enough money as far as I am concerned.
I may improve the trigger and get rid of the magazine. I may even dispose of the gas spring and swap it out for a real one. Am I going to try and correct all of Gamo’s problems? Not likely. It is not worth it to me. I just want to see where Gamo has gone over the years. As a byproduct, I want to let you guys know of my experiences with such. I have too many real nice airguns to put too much into this thing. If I can make this thing acceptable to me, OK fine. If not, down the proverbial road she will go, even if it is at a loss for me.
RR,
I think a lot of us here are young at heart and may fall prey to marketing hype. We hope we can turn them into silk purses and get more for our money in the end.
Who knows what a thousand or more shots will do to the barrel and trigger and perhaps that trigger can be adjusted to work better. Part of airgun fun. You can always wait for it to be reviewed all over the internet if you don’t want to gamble with it.
I find a lot of new airguns, especially replicas, and oddities, don’t stay on the market long and get dropped after the market gets saturated and sales start to drop off. You snooze and you lose, it’s gone. I have quite a few that fall into this situation.
Accuracy is not a high priority for most of my ‘collection’. “Buy it first then decide what shooting category it will fall into.” Then you get to tinker.
If I could only have one or two airguns, accuracy certainly would be a high priority. You need at least one that will hit what you want all the time. The rest are just fun to shoot or plink like full-auto BB guns.
Think about this, why would you need more than one or two very accurate airguns? To have some diversity in your shooting fun, but that would be a real expensive collection or a challenge to find.
Bob M,
My collection is far smaller than many on this site, though it is still larger than I had originally intended. With the exception of my Webleys, most of my collection is pretty accurate. Some of them are extremely accurate. When I have the urge to shoot feral soda cans, they do not stand a chance, even out at 25 yards using open sights.
Am I looking to expand my collection anymore? Not really, although I do fully expect more of these “old gals” will wander in and end up staying at RRHFWA.
Will I miss the passing of the “flash in the pan”? No. If it is truly worth having, it will hang around for a bit. That is my philosophy anyway.
B.B. and Readership,
shootski agrees that Weihrauch builds what appears to me to be quality airguns (i have NO personal ownership of any.) they are owned and managed by a VERY proud multi generational German family of shooters. Could that be part of their secret… I believe it is.
My break barrel experience is very limited. The two i do own have ZERO droop and have…GAS SPRING powerplants. The problem was SIG AIR was not supported by many of you airguners and they are in business to make money so they went back to building firearms and selling licensed airguns to their firearms users or folks that want airgun replicas. Though there is a very vocal cohort of SIG SAUER hate mongers they don’t appear to be going out of business.
Oh! Before anyone mentions the parts issue and Tom’s deflated gas spring how many have you heard of needing parts or having a dead gas spring? How much money will you need to shell out for even a USED .177 SIG SSG ASP20?
Walk the walk…too much TALK.
Just this DARK SIDER’S opinion.
shootski
shootski,
Sig was not in the business of airguns long enough to establish themselves as such. When I decided to buy one despite what I considered an outrageous price tag, it was over. If the truth was to be told, the government contracts for their pistols precluded their having enough personnel to build airguns AND fill the contracts. Since the pistols were far more profitable, guess what had to go?
I am glad you were able to snag up a couple of those Sig sproingers, but like other “flash in the pan” airguns, I could care less about them. Once again, this is my opinion and I could care less whether any agree with me or not.
On the brighter side…the Sun rose this morning…..
🙂
Roamin Greco,
And it set tonight….
So endeth another day of: As the airgun groups or doesn’t group.
shootski
RR
Hmmm, maybe you’re negotiating.
Deck
Me? Naw.
Readership (especially newer readers)
https://www.airgundepot.com/sig-sauer-asp20.html
Read the above linked piece note the Energy and Accuracy and realize they were MSRP US$ 399.00 and street price was $349.00 or so.
But they weren’t established airgun makers and folks refused to believe some trustworthy (well most of the time) airgun writers to include our very own Godfather of Airguns® about the SIG’s performance.
Sometimes we are our own worst nitpicking enemies!
I almost missed the SIG AIR boat not because i didn’t see the performance of the SIG SSG ASP20s but because i had been captured by the Dark Side (D.S.) decades ago and didn’t think much of the newfangled spring piston powerplants.
If there is one lesson to be learned it is to LISTEN to the reliable airgun writers if you want to avoid most of the buyers remorse that is so common in airgun purchases.
just my D.S. opinion,
shootski