Reader Michael’s Walther LGV.
This report covers:
- Squeaky!
- Sent it in for repair
- Time lapse
- Oh!
- The current state of tune
- LGV
- What does Michael want?
- Pondering
- Baseline
- RWS Basic
- RWS Meisterkugeln Rifle
- JSB Exact Heavy
- Discharge sound
- Cocking effort
- Trigger pull
- Summary
This report is for all of you readers who have a spring gun that you don’t enjoy shooting. Reader Michael has such a rifle. It’s his .177-caliber Walther LGV that is no longer made. He has been quite vocal about it on this blog. Instead of me telling you what he thinks, I’m going to let Michael tell you himself in the comments. Wake up sleepy bear — summer’s coming!
Squeaky!
I’ll start the conversation by telling you that Michael’s chief complaint was that his rifle squeaked when it was cocked. Heck — I wrote a chapter in my R1 book about air rifles that squeak when they are cocked. I even drew an amateurish cartoon to go with it.
When Michael said his LGV squeaked when cocked, I understood!
Sent it in for repair
Uncharacteristically, Michael sent his LGV in to be repaired. I think he told me he sent it to Umarex USA. I say uncharacteristically because what an airgunner is supposed to do when something like that happens is go on all the forums and trash the gun. At least that’s what I’ve seen.
He did tell all of us his problems, but that was after he got the rifle back. So — I thought — Umarex couldn’t even fix a squeaky piston seal? That was when I ducked into an alley and shed my outer clothes for my superhero costume, complete with cape. Captain Oblivious to the rescue!
I told Michael to send his rifle to me. I had tuned his Winchester 427 and he liked it, so I already knew I could meet his depressingly low standards. He sent it and it sat in my office. And sat. And sat…
Time lapse
This is where we watch the calendar sheets fall to the floor as the days, weeks and months pass. Actually, I used the time for pondering. Pondering is what you do when you don’t know what to do and you take your time figgerin’ it out. You see, when I took it from the box Michael sent me and I cocked it the first time, his rifle was dead silent! Huh? I am wearing state-of-the-art hearing aids and I know when there is a sound! Is Michael somehow a gifted mutant with the hearing of Daredevil — a rival superhero who sometimes wins his battles? Can he hear the beating of a hummingbird’s heart?
Oh!
After cocking his LGV and starting to ponder, I casually loaded a pellet and fired it, so it wouldn’t stay cocked too long. And THAT, my friends, was when the curtain pulled back and the wizard was exposed. Bang, and then the rifle went BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! This breakbarrel spring-piston air rifle is the buzziest air rifle B.B. Pelletier has ever examined! If you tried intentionally to make it buzz for a long time after the shot I don’t think you could beat how it is right now. I will guess that the buzz continues for a full half-second after the shot! Heck, it is a shame to do anything to this rifle. It is the perfect training aid to demonstrate what we mean when we say a rifle is buzzy!
The current state of tune
Yes, Michael’s LGV has been tuned. What tells me that is the cocking is dead silent, the barrel remains in whatever position it’s put after the rifle is cocked, and the left pivot bolt head is ever-so-slightly buggered. I mention that because I will probably bugger the same screw head more — IF I go inside the powerplant. Which I don’t want to do.
Yes, the screw slot in the left side pivot screw is ever-so-slightly buggered. The gun has been opened.
Right there I have told you what I hope to do — to demonstrate that even a case of terminal buzzzanoma can be cured without ever opening up the action. I sure hope it can because the Walther LGV is about as maintenance-friendly as a fake Rolex made in North Korea! If a Weihrauch rifle rates a 10 on a one-to-ten scale of being maintenance-friendly, then a Walther LGV is about a 4. Only Haenel 311s, all Mars guns and most older BSAs are worse. But hey, I’m Captain Oblivious and I can do anything you guys set your minds to. At least I can get this project started! My house is filled with projects that are in-process, and as long as I never give up they always will be. When you come to my estate sale bring lots of boxes and paper bags for all the parts.
LGV
Umarex — really? You had to name this modern spring-piston sporter the LGV — the same name you gave your last breakbarrel target rifle? Maybe Ford should bring out a new sports car and call it the model T. I’m reminded of a scene from the movie Galaxy Quest where the party of astronauts is on a planet watching the tiny aliens mining the beryllium spheres they need for their ship. Dr. Lazarus asks, “Could they be the miners?” and Tech Sergeant Chen says, “Sure. They’re like three years old.” To which Dr. Lazarus responds, “Miners, not minors!” and Chen responds, “You lost me.”
Umarex — you lost me when you named this air rifle the LGV. And now that it’s no longer made, there are two totally different Walther LGVs from different eras and everyone is lost. Do an internet search on disassembling a Walther LGV and you’ll see what I mean. And that, company formerly known as Crosman, is why we don’t call a Chinese-made breakbarrel springer a Benjamin Sheridan Super Streak!
What does Michael want?
I thought Michael wanted an air rifle that cocked quietly. He did at one time, but now that it does, what more does he want? Well, I bet he wants an air rifle that is pleasant to shoot. This one is as far from that as it is possible to get, which makes my job easy. I have to make it more likable. What does that mean?
It means getting rid of the buzz when the rifle fires. Now I know a whole bunch of tricks to do that — from tin cans stuffed inside the piston, to custom top hats and spring guides and buttoned pistons. I bet all the couch commandos can come up with a lot of other stuff. And, when it comes time to do any of it, they wave their hands and say things like, “And that’s where a miracle takes place.”
As the miracle worker, I have do it and then convince Michael that it is really done. Well, like I said before, he has both seen and liked my work in the past, so I know his standards are acceptably low, but with this one that won’t be enough. I have considered using a combination of drugs and hypnosis on him, but with this rifle even that won’t do the trick. With this LGV the emperor is well and truly naked!
Pondering
So I pondered what to do. And I thought of all of you. What could you do that would take a buzzy springer and turn it into a rifle you would enjoy shooting? What would you want to do?
Baseline
First, let’s see what we have. I tested the rifle with three pellets — a light one, a medium one and a heavyweight.
RWS Basic
The 7-grain RWS Basic wadcutter should go the fastest in Michael’s rifle. It averaged 945 f.p.s. with a 16 f.p.s. spread that went from 936 to 952 f.p.s. At the average velocity this pellet generates 13.88 foot-pounds at the muzzle.
RWS Meisterkugeln Rifle
Next up was the 8.2-grain RWS Meisterkugeln Rifle wadcutter. They averaged 882 f.p.s. which generates 14.17 foot pounds of energy. The spread was 14 f.p.s., from 873 to 887 f.p.s.
JSB Exact Heavy
For a heavyweight pellet I tried the 10.34-grain JSB Exact Heavy dome. They averaged 755 f.p.s., which translates to a muzzle energy of 13.09 foot pounds. The spread went from a low of 748 to a high of 763 f.p.s. That’s a spread of 15 f.p.s.
This tells us that Michael’s rifle is shooting consistently. I will compare those numbers to a test of the rifle after I do something to alleviate the spring buzz.
Discharge sound
You don’t get this kind of power without some noise, and the buzzing mainspring can’t be helping matters. A shot registered 92.4 dB on the C scale of my sound meter.
Michael told me that he doesn’t care about power. What he wants is a spring-piston rifle that is nice to shoot. I know his Winchester 427 is as smooth as they come, but it is only about one-third as powerful as this LGV, so the cocking effort is far less. To make this LGV cock with less effort would require a major tune that Michael didn’t want. He just wants a rifle that shoots nice. Let’s see what that takes.
Cocking effort
The rifle currently cocks with 39 pounds of effort, with a bump to 43 pounds at the end of the stroke when the trigger gets involved. That’s heavy for an all-day shooter, but okay if the powerplant is not buzzy.
Trigger pull
The two-stage trigger pulls with 8.7 ounces for stage one, followed by a definite stop and no discernible creep. Stage two breaks at 1 lb. 8 oz. which tells me that the trigger has been adjusted by an expert. Maybe when the buzzing stops I will have more to say about it, but for now this is a good trigger.
Threaded for a silencer
The LGV has a muzzle cap that unscrews to reveal 1/2X20 threads for an airgun silencer. Putting a silencer on a spring gun like this is like getting a quieter intake manifold for an AA fuel dragster. The muzzle isn’t where the rifle’s sound comes from. It’s the powerplant that makes this one so noisy. Tighter powerplants like the one found on the TX 200 Mark III are quiet enough that a silencer does improve things, and theirs is built into the outer shroud.
Summary
I’m not testing this rifle in the normal way. I’m just trying to get rid of the buzz and make it shoot smoother. So things like the sights and an accuracy test will not be a part of this report.
My goal is to see whether Tune in a Tube can fix the buzz without me opening the powerplant. If it can, a lot more of you will have a solution to those buzzy springers you don’t enjoy shooting.
My hw30 is dramatically quieter with the HW moderator. The myth that a springer with a mod is not effective is a load of bull.
Sounds like the people parroting that suppressors won’t work on normal revolvers because of the lack of gas seal. Simple physics says that the bulk of the gas is still coming out the muzzle – it has to be, or else the bullet wouldn’t be coming out!
Sure, it’ll be *less* effective, but that’s a far cry from being not effective at all!. If the gas loss is so significant to render a suppressor completely useless, we’d expect a correspondingly large drop in MV compared to an automatic or single-shot gun with the same barrel length firing the same ammunition.
It’s not like a suppressor on an automatic does anything about the mechanical noise or the gas coming out the ejection port as the gun cycles, especially with straight blowback designs…
Back to air guns – while spring piston guns obviously deal with mechanical noise that pneumatics don’t have, they are still forcing a lot of air down the barrel to send that pellet out as fast as they do.
I have four break barrels. An older Crosman Phantom .177 springer, An older Hatsan Alpha .177 springer, an unfired Daisy Winchester 1100S .177 Springer, and my Grossman F4 .177 gas piston model. The Alpha is a decent shooter due to nvm it’s modest power output, rated at 500 fps. The Phantom, that I call Belchfire, is horrible to shoot. Sounds like a howitzer going off. Breaks scopes. The F4, compared to Belchfire is quiet enough that I don’t feel guilty if I take it out and shoot 80 pellets through it.
B.B.,
Then a Diana 75 is a 1 for being maintenance-friendly or is there one even worse? The are only two things I can think of that could create a persistent buzz A. something (a screw maybe is loose in the rifle) or B. There is something wrong with the fitment of the spring of the piston. Maybe before injecting TIAT you can peer into the piston area with your fiberoptic scope?
Siraniko
BB.
I have two air riffles and have no issues with shooting either of them ( Gamo CF-S Super duper custom 3000XLR and the F.E.G Telly Relum Scope-O-matic parlour sniper 300XS.) .BUT they have been in parts many many times. Best no frills mod ever was sleeving the inside of the piston with plastomatic buzzoff noise reducing sheet. ( was a free off cut from the plastic place that does erm, plastic.) Might actually be polypropylene. It’s thin, tough and kind of slippery. and slathering red wheel bearing grease all over the spring. That’s my two cents worth and I earned it as I have been in the garage all afternoon working out how to make the F.E.G look even way cooler and even moar accurate. Oh I think the point I was trying to make “Open it up! ” . and we want pics. The mangled nut/screw head is interesting… Did they use a pair of scissors? ( Open blades and use the back of the one. You can even find scissors that have the right thickness blade to fit in the slot…) Galaxy Quest ? mmm…. Robert
[In a buzzing voice:] “Commander BB, mmm, _You Are Our Last Hope!_”
I enjoyed this afternoon swapping barrels back and forth on a pair of Hatsan Mod 25s, .177 and .22, a springer and gas ram, to find the optimal pairing of caliber and powerplant for these particular guns. Something that I had waited for until my “life-after-chronograph”.
Mike
I’ve always wanted to try Tune in a Tube, but NOT in my beloved .177 LGV Master! (But I agree that it makes sense to try it in Michael’s noisy LGV.) The LGV is my most accurate air rifle. Even at 50 yards it’s more accurate than my 20 cal., 22 cal., and 25 cal. barreled AirForce PCP gun, unless the wind is up, of course. As expected of a 12+ ft*lb springer, the LGV is a bit tricky to shoot well (“a springer is a fickle mistress”, as someone once said), but I have come very close to shooting Bob Stern’s “5 shots in a Dime Challenge” with it (which a shooter must do five times on the same target page to fulfil the challenge) so I’m not touching my LGV’s internals. It’s super quiet and smooth–both in cocking and shooting. The only things I’ve done to it are adding a factory Walther Tuning Trigger and also adding a customized Hatsan air stripper, which I customized like Bob Stern’s stripper and I made his stripper bore alignment tool too. Bob freely admits he can’t successfully shoot his own challenge, though.
I purchased two springs from Jim Maccari that he recommended to tune it down a little for better accuracy, but I’ve never installed them. I think he stopped selling them. I’ll just keep them on hand in case I get totally frustrated with perpetual close but no cigar “5 in a Dime” results.
At 50 yards, the JSB Exact Heavy is my pellet of choice by a good margin over the other dozens I’ve tried. My 760 fps is right there with what you measured from Michael’s LGV too but, I get about half your ES. My Chrony print out says 7.3 fps and an SD of 2.8 fps. (unsorted pellets).
My new Semi-Auto Marauder is threatening to surpass my LGV’s accuracy at 50 yards, though. Time will tell!
-Cal
I had the LGU and at 50 yds I got tiny PCP groups. both the LGU and LGV the most accurate air rifles I ever saw. any body that opens one up is off his rocker. if mine made a slight noise when cocking who cares. no need to get anal and menopausel over a slight noise
>both the LGU and LGV the most accurate air rifles I ever saw.
Mildot52,
I’ll testify to that too!
But, for a perfectionist, there are some good reasons to open one up (see Hector’s blog), yet I’ve never gone beyond my Walther Tuning Trigger job and one nice thing about the LGV is you don’t need a spring compressor, though some people will still advise its use. Both Jim Maccari and B.B. think the 23J guns will shoot even more accurately with a lighter mainspring. Someday I’ll install one of my lighter Maccari springs and find out, but the 23J springs, in particular, seem to lose power pretty quickly anyway (only takes a few years instead of decades ;)). In the years I’ve had my LGV, I think its accuracy has improved while its OEM spring has aged and its coils continue to take on “compression set” so I’m not currently very motivated to install one of my Maaccari springs. I could always try leaving the gun cocked for a few days or a week, which I’ve never done, to detune it, but then I might end up with a spring that won’t pass the “stand up” test. There are limits to things to “getting better with age”!
Besides, I think my current 750 fps with JSB Exact Heavies (needed for wind/long range), is still in the pellet’s and gun’s accuracy sweet spot and I don’t want to go any slower at 50 yards.
-Cal
B.B., Have you seen Hector Medina’s several blog articles about tuning the LGV and LGU? I learned that a Hatsan air stippper works well on an LGV from his blog but I was motivated to modify my air stripper with the addition of adjustable bore alignment screws for much improved consistency by Bob Stern.
Here are a couple of links to Hector’s blog. His other articles can be found with a search.
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-walther-lgv-a-second-look
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/a-yankee-tune-for-the-walther-lgu
-Cal
Cal,
Thanks for those links. I’ll look at them.
BB
Cal,
Good call. I was going to suggest he check out Hector.
B.B.
Well you answered one mystery that I had. Now I know why gun manufacturers use fasteners that are as soft as butter. It is their way of knowing if the warranty has been voided.
Thanks for that!
One other thing, people do not trash their poor shooting guns on forums. That would entail admitting that they screwed up by buying trash. First rule of the internet, It is NEVER my fault!
-Y
Yogi,
As far as I know that screw head came out of the Walther factory that way. “Soft as butter?” You might be right. Make that warm butter. ;^)
I’ve read that high-end guitar makers such as Gibson and Paul Reed Smith use flannel cloth between tools and fasteners to make it snug and to prevent marks on the fastener head. Walther should at least provide their employees with screwdrivers of multiple sizes.
Michael
I see below from B.B.’s comment that the tool marks weren’t quite so bad as they appear in the close-up photo.
Michael
Yogi,
I almost forgot, trying to make the factory warranty invalid at the get-go isn’t necessary if the manufacturer has no intention of honoring the warranty anyway.
Michael
B.B,
I agree with Siraniko that the Diana 75 beats all in being difficult to repair well but it is not maintenance unfriendly in my opinion.
I think that the spring in the Walther is ever so slightly loose in its sleeve that it enables him to resonate a long time.
Regards,
August
BB,
You threw me at first when you said the noise was at the cocking stage. I remembered the firing stage, as it is. I am having a very hard time equating a spring buzz sound to a honking sound. Past conversations leaned more to compression/air leak/piston moving theories,.. as I recall.
Being that this is the holy grail of buzzy rifles, I would expect TIAT to help a lot, but maybe not all the way. Good luck on getting off easy with a simple lube fix.
Chris
BB,
From your description of Michael’s LGV, I would first be tempted to squirt a little wasp and hornet spray into the action. 😉
August could be right concerning this spring being a wee bit too short. Can you feel the piston moving, even if ever so slightly, after you release the barrel? It may need some thin spacers/washers at the base of the spring to take up some of the slack.
If this is the case, TIAT will help for a bit, but the buzz will likely return in the future.
What is really funny, to me anyway, is I have a couple I wish to shorten the springs on. I do need to make sure I do not lop off too much though.
Squeaky!
I’ll start the conversation by telling you that Michael’s chef (chief) complaint was that his…
RR,
I would lean towards too much (long) spring and one that is ill fitted (selected) to the ideal ID and OD tolerances. A Vortek tune kit might solve everything. My TX200 had a pretty much stock fps kit and a 12 fpe kit,.. options.
Chris
RR,
Fixed it. No, the mainspring does not feel too short.
BB
RidgeRunner,
“Tempted to squirt a little wasp and hornet spray into the action.” LOL. I wish I had thought of that one!
My complaint was that it vibrated like a heroin addict going cold turkey. I always thought the saving grace of my LGV was that it cocked smoothly and had a lockup like the proverbial bank vault door closing. The problem wasn’t in the cocking but in the shooting.
Michael
The Flag City Toys that Shoot has been scheduled for Saturday, June 12, 2021!
It sounds like people are finally overcoming the Chinese Bio Weapon. I do hope this bodes well for the North Carolina show in October.
RR,
That Flag City show might be the first air gun show I attend! So few are in the Midwest where I live, and now that I’m retired, I can go to the few that are close by.
Michael
Never been to this kind “air show” – may be a good one to shoot for…there goes FM again…good excuse to visit family and/or friends.
With these “new” LGV air rifles there was something I never could really wrap my head around. Many of these, including the LGV Competition Ultra, had glowy thingy sights.
RR,
This one has them.
BB
B.B.,
IMO nothing, not even a scope, is better than an aperture and a hooded target front sight. They seem foolproof. (And I am nothing if not a fool!)
Michael
I agree, Michael. My LGV Master features a hood and several insert options at least. I’ve often thought about adapting an aperture to replace the rear sight blade. Also, my LGV lacks the bonded-on muzzle weight of most LGVs. The Master only has a thread protector, so I can use easily use a muzzle device of my choosing, like my modified Hatsan air stripper!
-Cal
Cal,
My LGV has the threaded muzzle with protector. As B.B. explained, springers benefit precious little from moderators, but even a short screw-on brake can add purchase and length to the relatively short barrel of the LGV, making a big difference in cocking effort. Just three or four so inches could lighten the effort by perhaps ten pounds.
Can a peep/aperture sight be as far away from the shooter’s eye as a blade/open sight?
Michael
When my Beemen R9 was new it had a lot of buzz. Tune in a tube fixed that. It also worked on the FWB 124.
Mike
Mike,
Was the FWB 124 new? My FWB 124 shoots like a PCP, but then again, it’s a San Anselmo one and has been tuned. But your new R9 buzzed? Maybe the answer is to buy spring air guns made in England, Spain and China only these days.
Michael
B.B.,
I purposely waited a little for others to comment before I added some of my thoughts.
First, instead of calling my LGV a goose gun for honking like a Canada Goose with a megaphone, I instead should call it buzz light year. ;^) Second, I am surprised to see the tool marks on the cocking linkage. That wasn’t me! And I bought the rifle new, as in new-in-box, not used or refurbished or a return or a demo, from a well-respected Umarex dealer located in the U.S.’ Southwest. I will not besmirch their august name, but their middle name is “of.” I did not contact them about this as many months had passed, and I consider it to be poorly manufactured, not the fault of the retailer. I do not blame them in the least. I sent it to Umarex USA as it was under factory warranty.
I have no doubt TIAT will do its typically wonderful thing, but how could a supposedly quality air gun maker ship out (and then not make right to the customer) an air rifle that costs about as much as an HW90?
B.B., I am eager to see if the spring appears to be bone dry. If it has some lube visible through the cocking slot, then what is the cause of the deafening buzz? I vaguely recall some initial owners of the LGV opened up their rifles to discover a piston head that had only a “casual” attachment to the piston. Hmmm.
Michael
Michael,
Ooooh! I want to answer you right now, but you’ll have to wait until this Friday.
I am so glad you think it didn’t still squeak! Apparently you are not a mutant like the Daredevil.
I meant every word I wrote about this being the buzziest air rifle I have ever tested. But I’m keeping quiet about what has happened since.
As for the “tool marks” please know that I enlarged that photo a lot to show those marks clearly. They arr actually a very small set of marks. It really doesn’t look that bad in person.
I have much to show you and everyone in Part 2.
BB
B.B.,
I’m not a mutant like Daredevil, but I am a mutant just the same. ;^) It is good to know the tool marks aren’t really that bad / visible to the naked eye.
Once again, Sir, your comments are leaving me with antici . . . . . . . . . PATION.
Michael
B.B.,
I just reread the report. The “Galaxy Quest” reference is laugh-out-loud funny.
I can’t wait until Friday. I am confident “by Grabthar’s hammer, by the suns of Worvan, [I] shall be avenged.” (O.K. I confess. I looked that one up.) The great Alan Rickman was taken from us much too soon.
Michael
B.B. and Readership,
As hopefully most of you know the damaged slot can be avoided most of the time by using the correct tool:
https://trb.fyi/gunsmith-screwdriver-vs-regular-screwdriver-there-is-a-difference
Obviously the company that Michael sent his airgun to for repairs has a shortage of proper tools or smiths.
shootski
Michael,
I’ve heard in more than one place that the early LGVs often had quality control problems. I guess Mildot52 and I got good ones and you, unfortunately, got a lemon.
Your service order says “shooting 1200 fps, it is going to vibrate.” Geesh–1200fps!!! Even when my gun was new, RWS Basic and Hobby pellet barely topped 1000 fps, as I recall. I”m not surprised that shooting a super light tin pellet at 1200 causes a buzz! A 1200 fps pellet is sort of like dry firing it (not recommended); it’ll buzz then too. Even the RWS 7-grainers have a hint of buzz with my wood stock LGV, which I’ve heard buzzes a little less than the plastic stock. The heavier pellets that I like to shoot are calm.
-Cal
B.B.,
Here is the paperwork Umarex sent me when they returned the LGV to me. Notice from their message Umarex USA seems to have no knowledge or understanding of spring air rifles. They got the power of my LGV wrong, saying it was 1200 fps, , and they wrote, “the only thing . . . to eliminate vibration would be to convert it down to 16 joule or 7.5 joule.” The “only thing”? How about making a quality air rifle to begin with, would that do it?
Does Umawrecks USA know that many of their competitors, Air Arms, Weihrauch, Diana and GAMO (GAMO!) just to name a handful, make comparatively smooth-shooting air rifles more powerful than 16 joules (11.8 foot-pounds)?
B.B., my ranting aside, have you ever shot another “factory stock” $400+ air rifle that shot like this one? A factory stock $400+ air rifle with buggered tool marks on it like this one? Someone at Walther used a too-small screwdriver on it before sending it out of the factory.
Michael
Michael,
Thank you for sending a pic of that repair sheet. I’m gonna use it on Friday! 😉
I am not one to point fingers, but your Umawrecks made me LOL. 🙂
BB
B.B.,
Do you remeber “Rent-a-Wrecks”? In NYC one could lease, say, a mechanically perfect / restored 1976 Chevy Vega with a smashed fender, rust holes and grime to use in the city so it wouldn’t get stolen? This LGV is almost the opposite — a nice-looking air rifle from a revered maker that is a wreck on the inside, where one can’t see the ugliness.
Michael
Michael,
Now, now. Save your evaluation until you have the rifle back.
BB
B.B.
I must admit that in the past before I took possession of two Break Barrels I was guilty of speed reading springer blogs and comments…and at the end having a quiet knowing chuckle on the obvious superiority of the Dark Side.
I now understand that I have missed great volumes of humorous reading!
Thank you,
shootski
B B,
I do not own a modern day LGV but a friend of mine who knows his stuff rates them highly in every regard except trigger. Walther also made much of their factory tuned internals: “the sound of silence”, I think the blurb was
Normally, I would suspect poor spring/ guide fit in a newish buzzing gun. I am keen to see if your tune in a tube kit will cure it and, if so, for how long.
Regards ,
Drew
B.B.,
“That was when I ducked into an alley and shed my outer clothes for my superhero costume, complete with cape. Captain Oblivious to the rescue!”
Reduced to alley changes now that the Telephone Booth has vanished from almost all the Worlds street corners and is as much of a collector’s item or at least as sought after as some airguns!
What is a Superhero to do!
shootski
Shootski,
Like Dr. Who? BB could go back in time and set the air gun world right and avoid all the mis-steps. The old English style phone booths are pretty cool. I can easily see them being collectors items.
Chris
Chris USA,
Actually I was referring to something that must hav been mostly gone in the USA by the time you were a teen. A Ma Bell Telephone Booth all glass, aluminium and lighted red Panels that stood on almost every corner in the center of towns and along lonely highways. Great for stuffing contests on Friday nights to see just how many girls and guys we could stuff in one! FUN!
But the reference was to the Original Superman using them as his favorite changing room from Clark Kent to the Man of Steel.
shootski
shootski,
Yeah! I sure can’t change behind a smart phone! Not unless it’s one of those new big ones.
BB
B.B.,
One of these:
shootski
The buggered screws are because gunsmiths use a square cut driver if I’m not mistaken, and know better. I like gun patina, it shows its been used, and still works well, hopefully, anyway. The trend to relic guitars is popular, but if an instument gets used hard, it will get sweated on, banged up, and show it’s natual life well, buggered screws and all. I dont know that plastic will age well, especially any two part molded ones. I think the soft polymers will degrade over time, because of hand oils and such. Wood is a wonder composite they say. Thats what a Mosquito is made of.
Cool series! I think both this rifle HW30 will age well, after a little more shooting.
Rob
I wish my Hurricane was a springer.
R
Rob,
A Webley Hurricane is a springer. Or are you talking about some other Hurricane?
BB
It’s on TV, it is a walking cane that stands up on its own, it has three rubber pads, like a ski pole. The standing up part it does, barely.
If the handle looked like a peace maker, it might be alarming, and if it shot, I thought it might be fun.
R
B.B.,
I love the honking goose toon and the Galaxy Quest quotes…great stuff!
But in all seriousness, I really hope this gun comes out smooth from TIAT.
Take care & God bless,
dave
Dave,
That’s what we all want. 😉
BB