I see in the description that it says the .22 cal has a 1/16 twist rate is this correct? All my research show it as a 1/17.7 twist wich is what airforce says it is can anyone confirm this?
What kind of adapter do I need to fill the spin lock tank with the air Venturi hand pump
As long as the hand pump fill hose has a female foster QD. The spin loc tank can be filled.
what is the FPS drop/reduction from 18" barrel to 12" barrel on a .25 cal Condor SS
Can you shoot the .257 slugs with the condor .25?
No. The .257 is available in the Texan model. The Condor .250 would not work for .257 slugs.
The barrell on my condor ss .22 measures 24" The books says it only comes with 18" barrel. I want to buy a .25 in 24" . Am I going to have issues with shroud?
The barrel will protude beyond the shroud. It will no longer be suppressed.
Can the condor ss .25 use slug for ammo? If yes what the ideal one? Thanks
I have tested a wide rang of slugs from "Nielson specialty ammo" from 26.8 to 52 grains. My gun seems to prefer the heavier ones 38 to 52. I'm getting one ragged hole groups with all of them at 40 yards as long as I keep the FPS tamed down a bit on the lighter ones..Around 975 fps. Out of the box it is shooting the 52 grain boat tail hollow points at 820ish fps at 77.6 fpe. Hope this helps
Yes; You can shoot slugs from a Condor. We have not tested slugs thru the Condor.
I have a CondorSS .25. Can I change the barrel into .22? What do I need? Regards.
Yes. All you need is the 25 cal barrel.
I know this Rifle has an internal shroud, but can an aftermarket Suppressor be added? Thank you?
You can but I don't know why you would want to unless it's an older gun but with the newer factory moderator they're already whisper quiet. Even with Talon Tunes hammer slap mod the hammer noise is still louder that the report.
Yes they can be silenced further , Just enter you're search on the internet ? There are adapters and moderators avaiable .
Pyramyd Air does not sell one
I purchased a adjustable regulated Z valve and wondering what to set the PSI on it to shoot both 33 and 25 grain pellets and stay around 1000 FPS and remain subsonic on my condor SS..
how much modification is possible with this platform, and any suggestions on where to go to get it done? Thanks
The sky's the limit on mods and hands down Tony at Talon Tunes is "The man" when it comes to all airforce mods.Just don't expect a quick turn around time if you have to have him work on your gun. He's always swamped with work it seems.But trust me. Good things come to those who wait! He will tell you up front a time frame when he should get to it. He says his phone never quits ringing lol
Just enter Airforce Airguns modifications in the search engine and they will all be there.
Do i need a medium or a high mount ring set if i use A/F tri rail on a condor?
With the tri rail, you are okay with medium, though you will still be comfortable with high rings. A lot of folks use the rail and still use high rings because it allows for a more vertical head position which a lot of folks find more comfortable
Will using a hand pump be easy to fill this how many pumps from 0 psi to a full tank in .22 caliber
Using a pump will take a long time around 450 pumps give or take.
What adjusments should I make on my CondorSS if I swap the Cal.25 with a Cal.22 barrel (18" 12mm Barrel, .22 Cal, Lothar Walther)?
Same result as below.
What adjustments should I make, if I turn my Cal.25 condor SS in to a Cal.22 SS (18inch barrel)?
Minor scope adjustments should be it ? 22 caliber is a lighter round .
I have a condor ss .22 its possible to change the barrel to a 24in in .25 ? If it is do i need extra parts o just the 24 in barrel u guy sell?
You will also need to change the end cap for the barrel to go through
All you need is the barrel and you'll be good .
Why Is FPS Is 1100 At 25 CAL Without SUPPRESSOR ,which I have but is it better I buy one with the original will FPS be still 1100 or 950 with there suppressor I'll use mine if the FPS will be 1100 150 is a lot to lose
The original Condor uses a 24 inch barrel which is 6 inches longer than the SS version that uses a 18 inch barrel , longer barrels can and do produce higher F.P.S. numbers .
Can I change my condor .177 barrel to .25 ?
Yes you can but you would need to purchase a Condor specific air tank as well to get the full benefit from the 25 caliber f.p.s.
I'm thinking of buying a PCP rifle, calibers .25 or .30 (for now). I cast a wide range of bullets for muzzle loading and cartridge firearms, and I'd like to hear your thoughts about gun choices using bullets. One use will be on black powder trail walks: gongs @20yd - 70yd. My only caveat: cannot be suppressed - I'm in Canada.
You might try the Texan it comes in 9mm , 30 caliber and 45 caliber and it is not suppressed unless you buy the SS version. They can and do shoot cast bullets . You will need a good air source from what I've read they need to be refilled every 5 to 8 rounds give or take ?
how many effective shots on a full cylinder in 25 cal
There is a lot of variation but im shooting JSB 33.95 grains on power wheel setting 6 and I'm get around 25 shots from 3k to 2k psi.
Depending on settings somewhere between 45 and 55 shots . It varies.
If i get the condor ss 22 cal, can i change the barrel to the 18 in 25 cal without modification and will it still be suppressed
You are correct no further changes needed it will still be suppressed .
How the overall length would change if I put 24" barrel into Condor SS? Does the barrel tip stick out of the flame?
Yes the 24 inch barrel would extend past the shroud and would no longer be suppressed .
Which is the most accurate hollow point pellet for this gun in .22 cal and best for shot count?
Everyone has there own opinions on which pellet is the most accurate and its just a trial and error process , for me i like the Crosman Premier 14.2 grain hollow points they work well for me .
That looks like a shroud on the barrel but, it's listed as a "4" for loudness. Is it really loud? What does the "SS" stand for?
I have the newest Condor SS and it is very quite, you only hear the hammer and pellet impact (w JSB king heavy 33.95s). I have a Gamo Silent Cat shooting lead pellets, under the sound barrier, and the Condor SS is definitely quieter. It's so quiet that I thought it was weaker than it actually is.. until I shot a 1/2in hole in the fender of a scrap car..
I have a Talon-P with 6 inch moderator or whatever were( not suppose ) to call them . It makes more of a metallic sound than anything else . Still quieter than without one , but not as much as what your talking about . I would think that the m-rod would pretty much be the ( king of quiet ) ? I have two Hatsan PCP s and all you hear is a ping , probably up there with a m-rod or maybe quieter who knows . We need a comparison test for sure .
I've been eyeballin this gun for a while, and while I'd say the 4 is an error, I can't say exactly how quiet it is. It does have the sound-loc "system" per the AirForce website. So the Talon SS should be quieter due to its lower power level, but the longer barrel of the Condor SS would make it quieter when adjusted down to the same power. So imo the Condor is the one to get. Maybe this sound-loc isn't all that good which would explain the noise rating. Either way it could use a better/longer suppressor, at least as an option. This is why there's an aftermarket suppressor extension for the Marauder, because it works. Meanwhile it would be cool if PA could list more details about these guns because it's hard to make a decision when it's hard to tell exactly what features each gun has, like Stanley's question about the sound-loc. Would also be cool if PA tested the various "quiet" guns at various power levels so people could make better decisions. For example I'd like to know how this compares to a stock M-rod and with extended suppressor. For me quiet is super important so it's a big factor in my choice and I'd pay more to get it. As Homer Simpson once said; Shut up and take my money! ;)
SS means Super Silent . Its interesting to note that the Talon - SS comes with sound-loc and the Condor SS doesn't list this to quiet the report ? You have to remember that it is the more powerful version of the Talon - SS . I have the Condor with a 24 inch 25 caliber barrel and it is 22 long rifle loud.
Can anyone tell me what a "top hat" is?
At the rear end of the gun is an air reservoir ( or butt stock) that screws in to the main frame of the gun , this reservoir has valve that is called a top hat , when the gun is fired the hammer snaps back on this top hat releasing air. It actually resembles a top hat ( a small one though). You can search on this site under accessories to see what they look like.Enter this number in the search bar AirForce Spin-Loc Hi-Flo Air Tank,... spin-loc tank for condors. Hope this helped.
Hi guys..! What I need to install a barrel of 24 "? Stay with the 1100 ft / sec in .25 caliber?
Barrels come complete just remove the forearm then the four allen set screws , you realize that installing a 24 ' inch barrel will make it much louder it will no longer be suppressed . It will be as loud as a 22 long rifle , no kidding.Not backyard friendly. It will still reach 1100 ft/sec in 25 caliber.
Is the trigger adjustable?
For position only.
Can I go from .22 cal to a .25 cal barrel without changing anything else?
At what PSI do you need to recharge the air tank to keep the same FPS?
You could recharge after every ten shots or so depending on power wheel settings. Since every shot uses air its hard to keep fps stable.
can i leave the tank filled while not in use or will that end up hurting the gun?
The tank will hold air for long periods of time.My Talon ,Talon-p, and Condor hold air for months at a time ,and no it will not hurt the gun.
Does the AirForce Condor come with the "sound lock" system to quiet down the shots?
Desrcription states it comes with an 18 inch barrel adding a 24 inch barrel would make it unsilenced , so yes to answer the question it does include sound-loc as long as you use the 12 inch or the 18 inch barrel . A barrel such as a 24 inch extending beyond the shroud would not be silenced.
can I get a .177 barrel for my 25 cal.
Yes, but you would need to purchase an air tank with the smaller valve . The condor tank can only be used with 20 , 22 and 25 caliber otherwise the tank valve can stay open and empty all the air from the tank.
What is the shot count
You can expect 35 to 50 shots depending on settings.
Are fittings available to charge from regular air compressors
You would need a compressor capable of 3000psi. Regular compressors can't reach this requirement.A variety of fittings are available.
What's the velocity with 43.2 eunjin
Low 900's fps.
Is the Condor SS really a 4 medium loud? In the .177 caliber, say shooting under 1000 fps.
The new guns have the updated sound suppression baffles are whisper quiet out of the box.The hammer is way louder than the pfffst that you hear when fired. "Dan the man".... must of had one of the older ones
Yes, it is really kinda loud.
Will a foster adopter from a benjamin hand pump connection work on the condor ss tank
Yes, it will
What is exact length of the SS barrel, I mean not just the barrel itself, but the whole thing including the silencer.
Measures at 23 1/2 inches, or about 5 1/2 inches past the barrel.
Does this gun need its barrel cleaned when we first get it? I hope not, mine is shooting great without cleaning the barrel.
No, just clean it when it becomes inaccurate.
Do i need a medium or a high mount ring set if i use A/F tri rail on a condor?
Will my scuba tank hose connection for my marauder work with condor ss or do I need some adapter
same used one today
Is it advisable to shoot the Condor SS on CO2? FPS numbers?
Only for target shooting at closer ranges.
how many shots per fill does the 25 cal get on the medium power?
I have the regular condor with the 24 inch barrel unsilenced, i can get at least 50 shots or more on power setting 9 , i just set it and forget it, with a 25 caliber pellet theres more than enough knock down power. Im more than satisfied.
Added April 13, 2014: I shoot in my yard, and I call 25 foot pounds of energy = Medium power for my Condor SS. With an adjustment, the answer to your question is "a quiet 100 shots per fill of 2700 PSI." I spent two days running the test for you. There may not be enough room in this small box to hold all the information. Condor SS with "Quick-Change" Tophat/Medium Restrictor (Earlier I got similar results by only using an O ring behind top Hat) Power Wheel set at "2" centered (regardless of subsets) (Condor SS Power Wheels set on 2 or 3 are quieter than my Marauder or any of my springers) 25.4 grain JSB .25 cal pellets 2400 PSI on my gauge = which is really 2700 PSI (learn how your gauge reads different than reality) Average speed = 700 FPS X 25.4 grain pellet = 28 foot pounds of energy. 2700 PSI Shot # 1 = 667 FPS (Feet per second on my Chrony) Shot # 2 = Bullseye at 40 yards (using top arrow on scope) Shot #3 = 690 FPS Shot #4 = Bullseye 40 yards Shot #5 = Bullseye 40 yards Shot #6= 691 FPS Shot 7 = Bullseye 40 yards Shot 8 = Bullseye 40 yards 2600 PSI Shot 9 = Bullseye 40 yards Shot 10 = Bullseye 12 yards (used one mil dot above cross hairs on scope) Shot 11 = Bullseye 12 yards Shot 12 = Bullseye 12 yards Shot 13= Bullseye 12 yards Shot 14 = 692 FPS Shot 15 = Bullseye 10 yards (use exact cross hairs) Shot 16 = Bullseye 10 yards Shots 17 -27 = Bullseye 10 yards (Still at 2600 PSI - This is sweet spot on my rifle. - Most efficient pressure. Most shots per PSI) Shot 28 = 694 FPS Shot 29 = 693 FPS 2500 PSI Shot # 30 - Shot # 33 = Bullseye 10 yards Shot #34 = 697 FPS Shot #35 = 700 FPS Shot # 36 = 700 FPS Shot # 37 = 700 FPS Shot # 38 = 696 FPS Shot # 39 = Bullseye @ 40 yards (using top arrow on scope) Shot 40 = 702 FPS 2400 PSI Shot 41 = 696 FPS Shot 42 = 703 FPS Shot 43 = 704 FPS Shot 44 = 702 FPS Shot 45 = 705 FPS Shot 46 = 700 FPS Shot 47 = 705 FPS Shot 48 = 703 FPS 2300 PSI Shot 49 = 690 FPS Shot 50 = 705 FPS Shot 51 = 703 FPS Shot 52 = 705 FPS Shot 53 = 708 FPS Shot 54 = 707 FPS Shot 55 = Bullseye 40 yards (using top arrow of scope) Shot 56 = Bullseye 40 yards Shot 57 = 700 FPS Shot 58 = 707 FPS Shot 59 = 706 FPs Shot 60 = Bullseye 40 yards Shot 61 = 713 FPS Shot 62 = 707 FPS Shot 63 = 708 FPS 2200 PSI Shot 64 = 716 FPS Shot 65 = 710 FPS Shot 66 = 704 FPS Shot 67 = 701 FPS Shot 68 = Bullseye @ 40 yards (using top arrow on scope) Shot 69 = 707 FPS Shot 70 = 708 FPS Shot 71 = 705 FPS Shot 72 = Bullseye @ 40 yards Shot 73 = Bullseye @ 40 yards Shot 74 = 705 FPS Shot 75 = 708 FPS Shot 76 = 706 FPS 2100 PSI Shot 77 = Bullseye @ 40 yards 1/4" to right Shot 78 = 697 FPS Shot 79 = Bullseye @ 12 yards (one mil above cross hairs) Shot 80 = 699 FPS Shot 81 = Bullseye @ 12 yards 1/4 inch to right Shot 82 = Bullseye @ 12 yards Shot 83 = Bullseye @ 12 yards 2000 PSI Shot 84 = 698 FPS Shot 85 = Bullseye @ 40 yards (using top arrow on scope as usual) Shot 86 = 690 FPS Shot 87 = 699 FPS Shot 88 = Bullseye 12 yards (use one mill above cross hairs as usual) Shot 89 = Bullseye @ 12 yards Shot 90 = Bullseye @ 12 yards 1900 PSI Shot 91 = 695 FPS Shot 92 = 694 FPS Shot 93 = 696 FPS Shot 94 = 695 FPS Shot 95 = Bullseye @ 40 yards Shot 96 = Bullseye @ 40 yards Shot 97 = 694 FPS 1800 PSI Shot 98 = 692 FPS Shot 99 = 684 FPS Shot 100 = 683 FPS Shot 101 = Bullseye at 40 yards Shot 102 = 678 FPS Shot 103 = 680 FPS 1700 PSI Shot 104 = Bullseye @ 12 yards Shot 105 = 671 FPS Shots 106 - 110 - Bullseye @ 12 yards but shot low @ 40 yards 1600 PSI Shots 112 - 120 = average of 640 FPS End of test period
I got 30 today and my 30th shot on the chrony showed 879 FPS (with a 25.4 grain pellet) I still have 1800 PSI in my tank and I will shoot it down to about a 1000 PSI = which will give me about 45 shots per fill at above 800 Feet per second on my 45th shot. The sweet spot on my rifle seems to be 2,000 to 1,000 PSI = Each shot only requires about 33 PSI drop in that zone. ...... My power setting is 3. ... BTW ... 800 FPS with 25.4 grain pellet = over 36 FPE == which is higher than any springer I've ever heard of.
I am getting 20 when the tank hits 2300 the grouping is bad so where is medium ? it depends on the shooter i guess mine needs to kill rock chucks I am also using poly mags that I oil
I get an easy 30 shots out of my .25 caliber Condor SS.
Are the screws under the gun supposed to be loose?
Not sure which screws you are referring to, but if they are loose just tighten them up.