What is the regulated pressures on the 0.177 and 0.22 caliber guns, and are the regulated pressures adjustable; even if you need to take the reservoir apart to adjust after degassing? Laslty, if adjustable, what is the minimum and maximum such as 100 Bar to 175 Bar, or less, or more. Thanks
I would like to see this gun in .25 caliber. Will this ever happen?
Not likely, least I have not heard anything about a .25
What is the trigger weight?
The one tested on video was around 4 lbs. I've tested two others, one was at 5 lbs and the other was just under 6 lbs. Seems to be some variance between guns
Hey Tyler, when are we going to see a review on the Benjamin Fortitude? I love the Pyramyd Air Insyder. Very trustworthy info coming from you guys. Thank you!
Working on it now, thanks for the kind words!
I will use the Fortitude for small-game hunting. With the lower pressure per shot, what type energy can we expect? And how will trajectory be affected?
Just received my .22, I am getting an average of 18 fpe over 60+ shots with 15.89 grain pellets. Plenty of power for squirrels, rabbits, etc. Good hunting !
The .22 should be putting out around 22-23 FPE from initial reports. To determine your trajectory, you'll need to take into account a lot of other factors on top of the weight of your pellet and the speed you're shooting it at. Scope height and zero distance will play a part as well.
90 shots per fill at up to 950 FPS in .177. In .22 caliber, the max is 800 FPS. These are the maximum velocities with lead pellets. What are the pellet weights that were used to get those speeds?
Probably something in the 6-7 grain range in .177 and 11-12 grain range in .22
Now that the .22 version is out, how long before we see the .177 version?
The PA website shows 70 shots for both the .177 and .22 cal rifles. Is that correct?
I guess that depends on what standard you use to determine shots per fill. Crosman has claimed up to 90 shots, but that is using a 10% deviation from the highest velocity. So if your gun shoots a max velocity of 910 fps with a given pellet, that's a 91 fps variation they allow for in calculating that shots per fill number. Personally, for a regulated gun, once it falls outside of 15-20 fps, that's when I would call the shot string finished. And from some initial testing, it looks like that's around 50-60 shots
Made in China?
Like several other Benjamin PCPs, will running on CO2 be an option for the Fortitude?
Not likely. Crosman stopped recommending running their PCP guns on CO2 a while back
Is the regulator a slide in unit? Can it be "easily" removed from the reservoir?
Have yet to see one, so I cannot say for sure.
Does this rifle have a walther barrel?
Is the spring tension for the striker adjustable?
Haven't seen one yet, but if it's common parts with the Discovery/Maximus or Marauder, you will be able to adjust it, though it may take a little modding.
Does this use Marauder magazines?
Are ever going to see this product in stock? Today was "the day" and now the estimated in stock day is 6/27/18. At the very least can we get a real world review? I'm sure someone in the industry has tried the Fortitude out
Finally in stock!!!
Now it's backed-up to 09-12-2018
Now it's backed-up to 08-22-2018. It better be ultra well built after months of postponements
Now back to 8-22-18. The preliminary ballistics given at the shot show are basically what the regulated Marauder Field And Target does. Its air capacity is about twice large. They are probably trying to do something tricky with the valving that isn't ready for prime time yet.
It's only 6 months until Shot Show 2019 and only 3 months left before winter. Just wait. Every company is working on a rifle to compete with the Fortitude.
Now it's backed-up to 08-08-2018
When they get us a gun to shoot, we will definitely be reviewing it. Very excited to see what it can do
Yes, this is getting frustrating. They keep pushing back the date..cmon Crosman!!
How many mags does the 22 cal come with?
Just one per the description, but many people people have a marauder and so have spare mags anyways..
What barrel is being used on this ? Length and manufacturer ? How is the crown ? I have heard there has been past problems.
Crosman makes the barrel, according to them it's 23.31" long. Since they're not out yet, can't speak to quality or anything else really. Just have to wait and see. If it's anything like the new Marauder barrels, they should do very well, especially considering the price point
I just purchased my first pcp. What type of fill port does the Benjamin Fortitude use? Is the June 5th in-stock date going to move like other mfg have done?
The fortitude uses a male quick disconnect fitting. The June 5th date reflects the last update from Crosman on the availability of the rifle
Is there a shot tray available.
I was told Marauder magazines work on this rifle so the marauder shot tray should work
Have not seen one yet
Does the new Benjamin Fortitude bolt can be move to the left side like the Marauder for left handed shooters?
No, it cannot be changed
I almost went with the Gauntlet but I think I will wait for the fortitude accuracy and shot string review. I like that it is light weight. The waiting is the hardest part. Is the Fortitude expected to be as accurate as the Gauntlet?
I would say so
Is the power adjustable?
The sample at SHOT show did not have any external power adjustment features, but like any PCP, you can tweak things inside of them to up the power if desired.
What is the muzzle energy of this rifle?
In .22, they are saying around 22 FPE
Does the pressure gauge show actual cylinder pressure or the regulated pressure output ?
Actual cylinder pressure
It is advertised as 950 fps maximum. Is that with pba? or lead? What is the average velocity, with lead?
Based on what we were told at SHOT, it sounds like lead. What weight, we are not sure.
Will the Fortitude be bundled with scope,pump and so forth?
Look under "bundle and save" just below the price
Can the bolt be swapped over for left handed shooters like the Marauder?
Sadly, it is not swappable
Does this rifle use the Marauder barrel and shroud ?
Fortitude does not have a choked barrel as the marauder has.
Looks very similar
Any chance the breech assembly will mate to the maximus?
The Fortitude uses the same lower assembly as the maximus
Good question, but you'd have to ask Crosman
Tyler, Will PA switch the bolt for$25 like on the marauder? Love the insyder Hope you review this gun soon. Thanks and keep up the good work
Sadly it is not swappable
Is the trigger adjustable?
Yes it can be adjusted by incorporating 2 machine screws into the back of the trigger assembly. Much like crosmans competition gun has. The "stubs" are already there. But this would be something for a mid level airgun smith to do.
Don't believe so
Look's Pretty "Boring" to Me,. Bit's & Part's from their "Arsenal", and Voila!,,,a New Shot-Show "Display",,,,I'll take my Hatsan"tact"10-22 any day!!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, at the price point though, it's very intriguing to many and it should be. Products like this grow the airgun community by making features that used to cost $500+ accessible and affordable for all.
How much does it weigh, how loud is it, can a after market suppressor be installed?
5.3 lbs and should be pretty quiet
What happened to the Disco and Maximus? Are they obsolete? Which of these three are the most powerful, accurate, best quality? I gotsta know.
Reference all the very informative articles about airguns that PA offers. For accuracy, regulated guns are the most consistent shooters. Pellets lose their accuracy if they are traveling too fast.
Not obsolete, still available. The Disco and Maximus are basically the same gun, and will likely be more powerful than the fortitude. Can't say with certainty yet, because the fortitude isn't out.
The specs list this as 3000psi. Would we be able to use the Benjamin hand pump, and only pump up to 2000-2500, and still get decent performance? I would be happy with 600 to 700 fps. I like the maximus, but I need a shroud for back yard noise.
As Tyler stated because its regulated yes. The gun should be regulated somewhere between 1100-1250 psi. Although the claimed number of shots on a 135 cc cylinder does raise some eyebrows.
Because it is regulated, yes. Depends on the reg pressure of course, but assuming it is below that 2000 psi mark (it should be) then anything above that would yield the same performance as a full 3000 psi fill, just less total shots before needing to refill.
What is the weight of the trigger pull?
It looks to be stock 2260/Discovery Trigger: so about 8 lbs. It is easily tunable with inexpensive aftermarket parts.
Im disappointed they didnt decide to make a .25 caliber version as well
.25 barrel would raise the cost as crosman does not make their own .25 barrels. .25 would also be a concern as the fortitude, maximus and disco only have a 135cc resevior
I second that statement....talked with Umarex last fall and the Gauntlet should be available in .25 this spring....hopefully Benjamin will take note and keep up....
Can the regulator be adjusted by the user, and can marauder magazines be used with this rifle ?
Definitely not user adjustable. Even if it were it opens a pandoras box and would require a AG smith with the equipment needed to pressure test the reg to set it. Strongly dont that approach.
Not sure on the reg, certainly not externally adjustable. And yes, Marauder mags work.
Is it a new trigger or is it a 1720,discovery or marauder trigger?
Can the bolt be moved to accommodate left hand shooters like on the m-rod?
Sadly, just heard from Crosman and the bolt is not swappable.
Yes, the bolt can be swapped