Do they make a nicer trigger?
Do the new Benjamin trail sbd air rifles have the nitro elite piston?
They have the NP2, which I believe is basically what the Nitro Elite is
I have the Benjamin Trail NP2 in .22 caliber. Shooting Crossman Magnum 14.3 grain pellets the best measured muzzle velocity I measure is just over 700fps. Anyone get close to the advertised 900 fps with lead pellets? Any suggestions for more speed?
750-800 is typical when using 14.3gr pells, so to get 900 you need the lightest lead which is about 11.9gr? If at 700fps you either have air leakage or the gas spring has leaked. If you want to take it apart and fix it, plus a little tinkering, you'll no doubt be at 800 or a bit more using 14.3gr
I sent mine back to Crossman. I was only getting 700fps too and 17.5 foot pounds.
I never achieved velocities near the stated 900 fps that the gun was rated at. Maxed out at about 800 fps with 14 grain ammo
How does the 3-9x32 Center Point scope shipped with the NP2 react to changing magnification say from 4 to 9? I have found that when you change magnification on some scopes you also need to re-sight in the gun. More expensive scopes do not usually have that issue. I have usually kept the scope at 6x for all around use hunting prairie dogs.
Sight it in on 9x and you shouldn't experience much change when adjusting the magnification down
This air rifle from Pyramydair shows a 5 year limited warranty. I see the same gun listed at other sites such as Amazon with a ONE year limited warranty. What is it ....5 years or one Year.? This alone makes a big difference to buying one if the gun breaks down under normal use.
Crosman/Benjamin recently changed the warranty lengths on many of their guns to 5 years, the NP2 Trail is included. 5 years is correct
How this compare to Gamo whisper/swarm as far as noise?
The Gamo is not anywhere near as quiet as they claim. The NP2 has a better suppressor, and since the whisper has a coil spring so overall it doesn't stand a chance. The NP2 will still alert neighbors you're shooting, so if you want that level of quiet you really need a suppressed PCP like the Marauder and turn the power down. Fyi they also sell a low powered spring for the NP2 which drops the power to about 12ftlbs which makes the gun quieter. It's available direct from Crosman for $8.50, part # 6-NP214-012. Cheap and worth a try for people who don't want to deal with, or pay for, a pcp. It may sound like too much of a power loss but it wasn't that long ago when 12ftlbs was a magnum and it'll easily take rabbits and smaller. It's better for target shooting since it's more accurate thanks to less violent reverse recoil, and much easier to cock so you don't get tired of target shooting!
Can someone suggest a soft case hat fits the NP2?
Plano 300 Plano 300 Series Soft Rifle... ............GOOD CHOICE
has anyone heard anything about a possible NP2 in .25 cal?
I suppose if a light 20gr pellet was used you might hit 750, but I doubt it. Most weigh more like 25gr so my guess would be 650. I don't think they'll make it due to that velocity, but if they ever make a more powerful version then I'd say yes. I'm picturing "Trail XL NP2", not that I see a point to it over the existing XL. Plus I think 25cal and beyond is pcp territory, and more so as prices drop and more players enter the market.
I don't believe it'd be that slow, possibly around 750 though
I haven't heard anything but in 25 it'll be rather slow. It might make 22ftlbs which would take a medium weight 25gr pellet to 630.
what bipod would be best for this gun
I'd say the only one for any springer would be the cheapie spring loaded clip on RamLine. They're a loose fit so they don't interfere as much. Something to think about before you drill holes in your stock for another type. Not sure how it would fit the tapered part of the barrel but you could always taper the jaw clamp to match. Fyi I lined the jaws of mine with felt so it wouldn't scratch the gun.
Is this rifle better than the Benjamin trail np? The np version comes with the 3-9x40 scope but has 3 less foot pounds of energy. Is the np2 more accurate?
The scope in the picture is the 40mm like on the Trail, but specs say 32. I think people actually receive the 32. Most people don't like either scope due to the low quality, but if the 32 is not an adjustable objective then I'd say the 40mmAO is the better one. The optional 4-16x40AO is better than either of the others, but they raise the price higher than the difference in cost. The ftlbs is not true on the Trail (23) or NP2 (26), both having 15-25% less than the claim. The Trail XL however does typically make the adv power of 24, and often more. So if you want power get the XL. Accuracy varies drastically from gun to gun which is why you never see accuracy claims. Which is better on avg I don't know. This NP2 is worth considering now that the price has dropped. If it doesn't work out you can always trade for another or different gun so hard to lose unless you have to pay return shipping.
Why does this gun have only a 3-9x32 scope while the Benjamin trail np has a 3-9x40 scope? Is there any real difference besides the obvious drop of 8x magnification, is it noticeable? Thanks
32 is idameter of the objective (the higher the number, the more light is coming in). What this standard item is missing is AO (Adjustable Objective). That's why you want to buy Pyramyd's exclusive combo - the one that comes with 3-9x40 AO scope. Benjamin Trail NP2 Air Rifle...
has anyone done accuracy tests on the .177. what groups can it hold at 50 yds
It varies too much from gun to gun, so a realistic spec would be a wide window. Some reviews say very good, some not at all. It can always be improved with some work, but they will still vary from gun to gun. If you want a # you need to look at much higher quality guns that are much more accurate and consistent.
np2 having problems cocking.At dont seem to catch at end of cocking stroke.If i engage safety first it helps,but even then at times it wont catsh any ideas.hate toi have to send it back if its something i can fix
It could be several things. I'd take the trigger assy out and play with it by hand to see if it's functioning correctly. You can write me at chevota at hotmail for more info and I can send you pix of the trigger assy.
What are the items included? Scope? Bandolier (sling)? Anything else? Thanks. Regards.
Scope + rings are included. Sling is separate...
Question about gas piston rifles in general. Do they require the "special" hold I have heard so much about to get any consistant accuracy like is claimed necessary for springers?
OH YES! And when you find one that works you have tp precisely hold it like that all the time.
My Benjamin Trail NP XL 725 (modified with GRT3 trigger) works very well with the artillery hold like my normal spring piston gun requires. You can find the video for that hold on the YouTube site here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOYSU5Lq7oA I have seen some comments lately that question the artillery hold for the NP2, but there may be some other issue there. Also, I don't know if the version of the hold for extra sensitive rifles was attempted (i.e. forearm resting on the back of one or two fingers as described in the video).
Yes they do.
On you tube heard about cracks at base of shroud. Is this true? Should I cancel my order?
The tubes on the new guns are bigger and smaller on the old one's happy shooting James a zinger ks
No cracks on mine. Don't cancel. A lot of people like to say negative things. Even when they don't have direct experience with the product. Some just haters of Crosman .
I wouldn't cancel, but I'd ask Crosman to maybe send a metal one. I'm assuming the aluminum ones from the older Trails fits. Doesn't hurt to ask. If they won't give it to you it's only $1.15 +$4 ship.
What happened to the 06-05 in stock date? Crosman delay? For last minute production changes? Heard of cracks at base of shroud & trigger still long travel.
Update : Recieved mine and it doesn't have any cracks. Trigger travel long but smooth with clean break on second stage. So far very pleased.
Is the gas piston in the Benjamin Trail NP2 the same orientation as the Umarex "Reaxis" piston?
Yes the piston is backwards, not that it makes any difference other than to advertise it as somehow better.
ok, I have the Benjamin Trail XL Synthetic and it is pretty accurate but trigger is long pull yo. What are you hearing about this one? I get flyers about 2 out of every 10 shots... is this one more accurate?
I spoke to Tom about it and the one he tested had a nice trigger. So, hopefully it will be more accurate.
Crosman.com states the preset trigger pull from the factory for the new CBT is preset at 5#, will this be adjustable to a lighter pull weight or just adjustable for length of stages?
I'm sure it's somewhat adjustable just like the old triggers, but I bet $ the lowest setting is still too much. I saw a couple videos and the trigger pull was still very long just like before. I have zero doubt it can be fixed just as easily as the other other Tails, so no worries.
Has anybody put both the .177 and the .22 on the chronograph with standard pellets? This thing looks nice, it looks sleeker, but are the specs really what they sell out to be? You already know this is gonna be an accurate gun, but the fps and energy is what we want. I want those 50 yard shots with confidence. I want to know what the practical field consumer velocity test is on these rifles???
I have the .22 with about 150-200 shots down the barrels so far. It seems very consistent thus far, the average is 814.77 fps.
Well, we don't know it'll be accurate, but hopefully it will be more consistent from gun to gun. If I get one I will tell the world all about it.
Is this a step up for the Benjamin trail NP xl 1100? I think the xl 1100 has an 29fpe.
My .22 has currently maxed out at 15.45 with Crosman premier ultra Magn Mag Magnums.
Keep in mind the Trail is rated at 23ftlbs but typically only makes ~17. They also claimed 10lbs less cocking effort, but it says here it's 28 which is exactly what my Trail is... I hate to be such a pessimist but I'm smelling something. If I wanted power I'd stick with the XL, but maybe one day they'll make an XL NP2...
I would guess that this would be a step up from any Crosman Benjamin gun, its their newest product and has some pretty sweet new technology and the best trigger Crosman has come up with to date. It's also a Nitro Piston so that's nice, and is rated at 1400 fps with lead free in .177, (21fpe) and is only a 2 for sound rating.