Ok so here's my question I'm up I'm air about which one to buy the 177 or the .22 b.o sniper pellet rifle What's the diff?
If you are going to be doing any small game hunting or pest control with the rifle, get the .22. The added stopping power and larger pellet diameter will be helpful on game
Does this rifle how much distance can a rabbit hunt?
It's really more a question of accuracy. If you can hold a 1" group at whatever distance your game is at, then you'd be okay to hunt at that distance. Realistically, sub 50 yards for this rifle
Is this gun hard to get shipped into Canada? Because of the surpressor on the end, i'm scared to try and bring into canada.
Pyramyd Air cannot ship this product to Canada
Do you have the 1.77 model...
Is that 1000 fps with pba alloy?
Yes, It should say it on the box.
What is the longest time anyone has owned this weapon? And has anyone experienced any malfunctions or breakdowns? I really like this weapon however anything I find from China is just junk, flimsy, and or taking you, the consumer for a ride. Really important to me. Thanks
There are currently 50 reviews, the oldest review printed/submitted on this air rifle is 2014-7-28. Ask him, or anyone since his review, about any issues. Reading reviews should answer your questions. Get a chronograph. Woodys World.
Do you need a pal in canada to own
Yes, any air guns that are over 495 feet per second, requires a PAL liscence in Canada.
Is this gun made by Norica
Made in China like most things? Distributed by Bear River.
I want to get this gun in .22 but am not a big fan of the fiber optic sights are the removable?
Fiber optic sights you can remove and reinstall, pretty good for those that want both. Get a chronograph. Woodys World,
I do not see any fiber optic or other sights on this air rifle other than a scope.
Comes with a scope ( can be removed ) ? Yes sights can also be removed.
Hi there guys....quick question...can the fake suppressor be removed? Thanks.
No, you can not. You can probably burn it off, but that would be absurd and ridiculous.
No! I asked them directly, it's glued on and will void the warranty.
Can I buy black ops .22.. ship to Philippines?
Does this rifle have areas to attach a sling?
One could be installed as long as theres enough material to support it ?
This rifle looks like it is missing it's magazine. Is there an optional mag for this?
No, that is not a real magazine. That is to make it look like a sniper rifle. You are not missing a magazine.
No, this is a single shot break barrel.
Does anyone know where I can find a decent deal on a hardshell case made for this gun?
What is the trigger pull ?
Do not worry about the trigger pull, adapt to it. Woodys World.
Around 5 pounds?
Can the muzzle break be removed/replaced? ---
just got this gun on 09-09-17... does anyone know the outside diameter of the fake silencer?
Measure it. Woodys World.
Is there any 3rd party Trigger assemblies that will fit and work in the Black ops .22 ? That sure looks like there is a markey for such a trigger Joebiplane
Can you adjust to it? A lot of different rifles, whether air or center fire, have different triggers, it is part of the feel, just as the weight and stock is, on all of the different ones. Adapt to them and make them work. A different trigger is not going to increase your accuracy. Accuracy is not given to anybody. Get a chronograph. Woodys World.
Is there a warranty or something ?
There should have been a warranty card in the box. Mail it in. Woodys World
How many foot pounds can you get from the .22 caliber. I like this and interested in buying one.
In the below answer, I meant to say: It will decrease as distance increases. Woodys World.
Depends on the pellets weight and velocity the air rifle shoots the pellet. It will decrease as distance decreases.
will the CVlife 16" hunting scope fit on this
I dont see why it wont. My .177 and .22 caliber Ruger Air Magnums both have CVlife scopes on them. Had them 10 months, no problems. Functions as designed. Woodys World.
which pellet is best for hunting on the .22 cal black ops shiper rifle?
The Crosman Premier Hollow Point and the Ultra Magnum Dome, two of the best pellets out there
I have this one in .177 and it's very loud! I built a suppresser out of pvc to fit over the fake one. Cut the report in half!
Believe it or not, at 35 yards (105 feet), using the 14.3gr Crosman hollow point, I am getting a QUARTER sized group, and often BETTER. I would like to stress that this is NOT the rifle to go outside at night to dispatch a critter going through you garbage, unless your neighbors are about 100 yards away. Close-by neighbors who do not really KNOW you and that you shoot air guns WILL end-up calling the police. How do I know? Well, let's just say "Been there. Done that." I really HATE the racoons around here_ LOL! :-)
Which is the maximum reach in yards with good accuracy?
That takes a LOT of skill.
I HAVE SEEN A VIDEO OF A MAN SHOOTING A SODA CAN AT 85YRDS.
Why is the gun described as rifled when it's only smooth bore?
Rifled. Who told you it was a smooth bore?
This gun has a rifled barrel
Brought this rifle, shot it twice and it was very loud, sounded like it broke sound barrier. Now after shooting it, it sounds like just a regular air rifle. What can I do to fix this? Is it just the springs and gas settling in, or is it another problem and how do I solve this. ~Thanks
Have to clean the barrel from factory oils. It is called dieseling. Dieseling gives more fps. The crack is that pellet broke the sound barrier.
My Black Ops sniper rifle does it sound the same when it shoots at the Two Shots it started sounding like a regular pellet gun what do I do
the silencer s not supposed to function. compare it to any other air rifle, and you will see its loudness is the same. 3- medium
30 day limited warranty? Wow! Sounds like this company really believes in the longevity of their products.
Not necessarily true. Get a chronograph. Woodys World.
does anyone the chrony scores on the .22?? i'm guessing they're advertising 1000FPS using fake(alloy/plastic) pellets. they used to advertise in lead, but they've been advertising in alloy since the .177 gas piston version came out. just trying to figure how what the fps on the .22 version is using lead pellets and not the fake alloy/plastic ones.
Get a chronograph.
Ok, I am satisfied with fps instead of mps(meters per second). Since we are in the USA, why not use yps(yards per second). Get a chronograph. Woodys World.
With my .22 BOSR I averaged 960 fps (293 mps) with Stoeger .65g/10.03 gr Extreme Velocity Alloy pellets and 740 fps (226 mps) using Crosman Premier Ultra Magnum 14.3 gr. lead pellets, giving a power factor of 7 and 5 respectively.
I just bought the blacks ops .177 and it shot for a bit and now it makes the noise but doesn't shoot air can I fix it
Call the makers of Black Ops, speak to customer service, they will advise you what to do as far as shipping it to them for replacement/repairs. Woodys World.
If your gun uses a 25mm piston seal then yes you can fix it. But if it under warranty just return
i got the .177, and im thinking about getting this since i collect the ignite series. a) does this include the adjustable butt stock from the original .177?? b) is that 1000FPS with lead or alloy?? i.e. do i need to use a 7GRAIN, or 14GRAIN pellet to get the 1000FPS. i don't trust specs anymore, cuz everyone's been using alloy lately. c) does it come with a gas piston or spring piston. i found it on amazon for a better price, but it appears to be a spring piston which i don't buy.
You should hit 1000 fps with the Winchester .22 cal. 8.18 grain Maximum Velocity Pellet
This one is the gas piston. The 1000fps was with alloy pellets. The stocks but plate does not adjust on this model
I just bought my first black Ops .22 hope I chose the right one. Question is what are some of the best scopes to replace the stock one? And ammo preference for hunting?
i use an 8POINT 3-9x32 nitrogen filled scope with my .177. works great. crosshair stays in place, and it never fogs up on me. on the .177 tomahawks, benjamin hollow points, gamo silent cat, and crosman flight penetrators work best.
Hi all, can the moderator be removed I have undone the grub screw but it wont budge thanks
Why in the world would you want to remove it?
Don't remove it! It's screwed and glued! You will void your warranty if you do.
i removed the screw too, but no luck. i think it needs to be removed with either a monkey wrench, or tapped off with a hammer, but i haven't tried, because i'm afraid of ruining my pain job. let me know if you figure it out. i'd really like to change the muzzle break with a real silencer. ignite has been cutting back on quality since they're released the .177 gas piston version, so who knows. i'm suprised they have resorted to using plastic muzzle breaks. still pretty pissed off about getting scammed out of the adjustable butt stock.
It cannot be removed.
Hello, I have a problem, I bought a different scope for this pellet gun, Leapers UTG 4-16x50 AO True Hunter Rifle Scope, EZ-TAP, Illuminated Mil-Dot Reticle, 1/4 MOA, 1" Tube, See-Thru Weaver Rings, and im using the crossman .22 pellets, but when I go to shoot and sight the scope to the gun, the scope doesn't sight at all, what could be going wrong, and how can I fix it?
How did the scope setup that came with it function? Woodys World.
I heard bipods are not good to use with metal or gas spring rifles. Can you shoot accurately using the bipod?
Have and use a bipod and it works great whether I am using any of my spring or gas piston air rifles. It does not matter to good shooters. Woodys World.
The Bipod works great. I can get extremely accurate shots at 50YARDS using it if i tighten the retractable legs.
Depends on the person and the rifle , some can some can't . Because of the recoil it can throw your shot off .
If I loaded a pellet such as the crosman destroyer pellet, could I cleanly kill a squirrel with a body shot in .177?
Crosman Destroyer is as the name implies, Destroyer. One shot kill.
definitely. This gun hits with a ton of force. I found it to be stronger than the gamo bone collector which is a "varmint" gun.
Really depends on a distance. Generally Pyramyd Air does not recommend hunting anything with less than .22 cal.
does the scope come mounted on the gun?
Pyramyd Air will mount and zero your scope and send it to you mounted if you purchase their 20 for $20.00. They will also test shoot and chronograph 10 pellets and send you the results when they send your rifle to you. Woodys World.
You have to put it on. the rifle comes with a separate 4x32 scope which is actually pretty clear.
Would this one have enough knock out power for bigger rabbits
Rabbits are considered small game. Woodys World. Get a chronograph.
Yes, rabbits and squirrels. Woodys World
yes. the .177 can penetrate with a head shot, and may even pass all the way through if too close. Mine penetrates a full inch of wood.
Not really. Small game only and only in .22.
How does this compare to Hatsan 95 vortex QE.
Does the silencer work?
It is only good or cocking the barrel after breaking the barrel. It is like a handle.
No, it's for the looks only.
Tienes envio a colombia y cual seria el precio puesto aca
can the bolt move?
The handle can, I did by just removing the screw. Looks better without it.
No its only a decorative piece
Does this rifle come in .22 now
Does this black ops sniper rifle .22 have the same accuracy as the .177?
Less then .5 inch spread at 30 Yards using Premier Ultra Magnum 14.3 gr.
I don't have the .177 but the .22 is very accurate.
Can anyone who owns this gun recommend a good non-lead/environment friendly pellet to use with it (for ratting)?
Pyramyd Air sells them. H&N Sport makes a few of them as does some other manufacturers. Woodys World.
That Stoeger 10.03 grain Extreme Velocity PBA Pellet is a very good Pellet. If you are looking for a pellet that will do what I think you want to see on the chronograph, Winchester has an 8.18 grain dome .22 caliber Maximum Velocity Pellet that will exceed the 1000 fps Velocity you are looking for. It is an alloy pellet made/forged from tin. I do not have this rifle, but for information purposes, my Benjamin Summit NP2 averaged a 5 shot group at 1052 fps, my Umarex Octane averaged 1081 fps, and my Ruger Air Magnum averaged 1135 fps. These were shot in 90+ degree weather. I will have to wait until late fall and winter to see what cool/cold weather temps would result in. Woodys World.
I averaged 960 fps (293 mps) with Stoeger .65g/10.03 gr Extreme Velocity Alloy pellets.
crosman and skenko make a great lead free pellet that looks like a little bullet with the casing attached. these are great pellets and i can cut a playing card in half at 30YARDS using them.
I'd say the H&N Barracuda Green but probably still too light for that gun. Ideally you want a hollow point for rats, like the H&N Crow Magnum which I use. No lead leaves you few options.
Should I change all the plastic weaver and picatinny on this gun to metal? And is metal weaver more accurate? Any advantage with a metal weaver? Thank you in advance!
these plastics work fine. I've had em on their since the gas piston version was released, and they're holding on tight with no damage.
My first question would be how would you attach the metal one? I'd think it would just rip off the gun, but if the plastic one works I don't the point in replacing it.
Maybe its me but i think metal anything is way better than plastic , yes if you can do it go for it . Metal might not be more accurate but it will not break as easy as plastic would . The only advantage is that they won't break as easy . Most high end airguns (like airforce )use metal , you don't see much plastic anywhere .
Just got mine, but there is no information on the trigger adjustment, anyone have some info ?
There is a tiny screw hidden behind the trigger you can use to adjust the trigger, but there is very little different in performance. seems you can adjust how soon the trigger fires, but you cannot adjust the tension. It's always going to be a pretty stiff trigger. i usually give the trigger a little pump before i fire it. pull it about half way, and it will stay loose until you completely pull it. that's how i've been reducing the tension to do my trick shots with it.
The manual states( never adjust the trigger ) it is a single stage non adjustable trigger. You could call customer service at 580-272-0022 .
would you recommend this for hunting if not what would you recommend
8-10GRAIN pellets should get you started for small game. go for 15+grains if you're going for something bigger than a squirrel.
Yes it has more than enough power. Try the heavier pellets , more energy on the target.
Weavers for scope and bipod are metal or plastic ?
They are metal on the .177 model.
Mostly plastic made in china.
What's a good scope for this for nailing squarrels
UTG, Hawk ,Centerpoint are all good choices . At least a 3x14x44mm or so would work good.
Hello Shooters! This would be my first break barrel. I am a very good shot with my 308 Savage sniper rifle and my 10point crossbow. I will probably buy a UTG 3-9x32 AO Bug Buster Rifle Scope, EZ-TAP, Illuminated Mil-Dot Reticle at some point to fully enjoy this rifle. I will probably buy a Remington Auto-Reset Knockdown Target, Jackrabbit and a Birchwood Casey Gallery Resetting Airgun Target using Crosman Premier Light .177 Cal, 7.9 Grains, Domed, 1250ct... so, i ask, would this be a poor, ok, good, great, or... you are already jealous of my first 'real' air rifle experience? lol thanks in advance! and, if you have some suggestions... please feel free.
Well, I did not buy this air rifle, it was not even considered. I did buy the .22 caliber Umarex Octane, from Umarex, in January 2016. After 7 months of heavy shooting, I had to replace the scope. Replaced the scope with a CenterPoint 4-16X40AOIR. This is an excellent scope that does not lose its point of impact. I shoot it outdoors only, at my standard distance of 80 feet, at two inch Birchwood Casey targets. The Octane is Zeroed at that distance shooting Crosman 14.3 grain Ultra Magnum, which I can not miss, shot after shot. I use 1 mildot elevation for my 120 foot target, hits dead on. I just recently, 2 months ago, purchased the .177 Octane, zeroed in it at 80 foot targets with 10.5 grain Ultra Magnums with excellent accuracy. Seemed like it was hard to miss the target with either caliber. Both caliber slice clean thru squirrels, entrance and exit wounds, easy at 90 feet. Distances beyond 90 feet, I use my elevation mildot for adjustment. Look up Straight Shooters Umarex Octane Pellet test, in which both caliber of the most popular pellets, 32 different .177 and 27 different .22 caliber pellets. Chronographed at the muzzle, 10 yds, 25 yds, and 50 yds. Impact energy at each distance, and ballistic coefficiency. You be the judge. Woodys World.
i've own alot of air rifles and i favor this one when it comes to power and accuracy using 8-10GRAIN pellets. it has outperformed all my gamo air rifles by far, including the bone collector.
again myself, i also purchased a umarex fuel in .177 for the targets i have already purchased, and, because of it's easier action my wife will now have her own (sort of) long air rifle. thank you pyramydair for bringing my wife and i closer together! i dream of all the smiles, from target contact competition to come!
this is my own answer to my own question: i decided on the umarex octane in .22 because of questions i asked the helpful men and women behind my direct phone call. i spent a wee bit more, but i will be far more impressed by my new weapon for years to come! Besides changing to a .22, i am also being shipped all the targets i'd like and a UTG 4-16x44 AO SWAT AccuShot Rifle Scope, EZ-TAP, Illuminated Mil-Dot Reticle, 1/4 MOA, 30mm Tube, See-Thru Weaver Rings because this accurate powerhouse will use every part of it! thank you pyramydair! Bravo!
I just got a used one how do I find out if it is spring piston or gas piston?
check the butt plate. if you can extend the rear plate outwards and extend the stock then you have the classic spring. the spring had a superior body with a very adjustable high quality but stuck, while the gas piston has a cheaper plastic body, and non adjust butt stuck. the body for the gas piston is very cheap, but you get the quality of gas piston over spring. hard choice between the 2. wish i could get the body from the springer with a gas piston.
The easiest I spoze would be to shoot it and listen for the annoying spring twang a coil makes. The surest way is to look into the cocking slot, the coils will be obvious but you may need to remove the stock to see in there. And lastly, I'd imagine the gas version is marked as such on the gun.
is the gas piston a Pyramid air inhouse mod? if so can a NP2 piston be used instead? just wondering.
The NP2 is a Crosman product. Crosman has ventured into producing NP2 pistons for other air gun manufacturers air rifles. Crosman makes an NP2 piston for other air rifles such as Gamo Big Cat 1250, which Pyramyd Air will install it for $100.00. Contact Pyramyd Air, they will advise you. Woodys World.
The NP2 piston is a different diameter so no way. I believe this gun uses a 26mm piston, the NP2 is 29mm. There is no real advantage to the NP2 piston anyway. Now if you wanted to install the NP2 gas spring, I think that's doable, but likely too strong for the gun so power gains would probably be low but negative drawbacks high. Only one way to find out for sure...
not an inhouse mod. comes this way from the factory
This current model says gas-piston, i have seen others saying spring piston, are these the same or has there been a design change?
The original spring piston came with a much better body, and fully adjustable, extendable butt stock and more metal parts. the gas piston came with a gas piston, cheaper plastic body parts, and a generic non adjustable butt stock plate so it cannot be extended. it seems to me the springer had a little more power as well, but the gas piston has the advantage of not wearing out like the spring does, and the rifle doesn't roll when you shoot it. too bad you can't get the original springer body with the gas piston. I was pissed when I got the gas piston replacement for the springer and found out how cheap the body was.
Pyramyd carries both, but you must do a search for "black ops" to find it.
Pyramyd only carries the gas piston model.
Can I expect any problems if I replace the scope that comes with this gun, and use instead, a Nikon BSA 3-9x50 Prostaff variable rifle scope?
i have an 8point nitrogen 3-9x32 scope i bought after i got the rifle, and it works perfectly. it stands up to the recoil, and i can make great trick shots with it.
I've had a Prostaff on a springer for years, but no guarantee yours will last on your gun, so do you want to risk an expensive Nikon like that on a springer. If it does not have a parallax adjustment then it's likely set to 100 yards and you'd have a lot of parallax error at your ranges. I'd consider a UTG/Leapers scope instead, less $ and likely the strongest for the $. Like a 3-9x40AO which I think are ~$100? A Centerpoint 4-16x40AO is another inexpensive option.
I would recommend against that scope as I do not see where it is airgun rated and the reverse recoil of the gun will possible damage that scope.
Unless the scope is rated for an air gun you would more than likely tear the scope up
You have to have a scope that is rated for an Air Rifle. If the scope is not specifically rated for the recoil of an air rifle, you will destroy the scope. Also, with a 50mm scope, you will need a high mount, not the medium that comes with the rifle.
What is the cocking pressure?
About 35-40 lbs
Why does this gun have a bolt? It's a break-barrel. What am I missing?
just for show
Is the advertized velocity of the projectile real for lead Pellets?
Depends on the grain weight of the lead pellet. Get a chronograph. Woodys World.
more accurately, you'll get about 1000FPS using an 8grain pellet.
1200 for aluminum, 1000+ for lead.
Lightweight lead pellets
What is the Overall Length of this gun, minimum and max?
45" wish the barrel was longer.
45.5" is the overall length