Tuesday, February 28, 2006

Shooting AT animals with airguns

by B.B. Pelletier

I have been asked many times to write about the best airgun to chase animals. Today, I will answer that question in detail. The specific question to which I'm responding asked, "How about a recommendation for the novice user looking to shoot squirrels, chase seagulls and geese from a dock on a waterfront property?"

Airguns are not for discipline!
It only takes about 300 f.p.s. for a small projectile to break the skin and penetrate the flesh of a human. Animals will vary from that to a small extent, with smaller animals being somewhat thinner-skinned than humans. A pellet or BB from even a weak airgun can cause a wound that the animal cannot treat. If the wound becomes infected, the animal will suffer and may even die in extreme cases. If the animal you injure is a family pet, you might be liable for veterinary costs, damages and certain misdemeanor charges for discharging an airgun within the city limits. My advice is to never shoot an animal with an airgun unless you intend to kill it.

What does it take to kill pests?
The question seems to imply killing squirrels, so I thought I would address that. Some animals are easy to kill, while others are tougher than you can imagine. The squirrel is in the latter category. While squirrels are thin-skinned, they seem to take a lot of abuse. That's why I recommend head shots with at least 12 foot-pounds on target and .22 caliber for them. Rats, on the other hand, die pretty quickly and a good body shot in the heart area will take them. The huge roof and barn rats are a whole different matter. Shoot them with a gun that can take a woodchuck!

On last thing about shooting rats. Try to dispose of the carcasses if you can. If you don't, you'll be providing a fancy meal for the rats you didn't see. Carry large plastic bags and insert your hand through the bag (inside-out) to grab the rat's tail. Then you can pull it into the bag without touching it.

Birds are very tough, especially large birds. Crows, seagulls and geese can take as much punishment as a woodchuck, so shoot them with a gun that has at least 20 foot-pounds at the muzzle and don't stretch out too far. Pigeons are much easier to kill, as are starlings, grackles and some other small pest birds.

Songbirds are protected just about everywhere, as are buzzards, all raptors and all species of vultures. Many other birds and other animals may be protected in your area, so check with your local fish and game department before deciding that a particular animal is a pest. In Rapid City, South Dakota, for example, deer wander into town and may eat your flowers and kill your family dog but you can't legally do a thing about it.

Poisonous snakes
Here is a trick I learned while traveling in rattlesnake country. If you point the muzzle of a gun at a snake and he sees it, he will align his head with the open muzzle of the gun! The first time I did that, I shot a rattler with a .22 revolver from 15 feet away! I couldn't believe how well I had shot until it dawned on me that the snake was more responsible for the shot than I was. Since then I have made many astounding shots on poisonous snakes with this trick. A warning, however! Don't try it on aggressive snakes such as water moccasins, or they're liable to charge you before you can get off a shot! If you do decide to use an airgun for this, make sure it's a powerful one! I have used a .22-caliber Beeman R1 on rattlers out to 15 feet.

Pest shooting is one of the ideal applications for an airgun, as long as you understand what you're doing. Don't try to "discipline" the animal. Either kill it outright or find some other way to shoo it away.


At February 28, 2006 6:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Another great blog! A lot of people need to learn this lesson. It amazes me the cruelty perpatrated, especially by older people who should know better! Even to the extent of injuring neighbors pets. They give all airgun hobbyists a bad reputation, and in theese days of paranoid ignorance certain groups would love any reason to take away my toys. It's the same thing when in gradeschool the teacher was made an ass of in class and she couldn't figure out who did it, the whole class would be punished. It wasn't right then. It aint right now, but it happens! So be responsible, and remember knuckleheads your stupidities hurt all of us! To the majority of you, keep on shooting! Thanks.


At February 28, 2006 9:00 AM, Blogger airgundoc said...

Amen to both entries!
If you intend to shoot raccoon I would recommend a PCP for its accuracy and power. Also, as has been said before, be sure the 'coon is dead before you bag and dispose of it. They can be really mean critters particularly if they are protecting young.

At February 28, 2006 11:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


What is the biggest and toughest animal I can kill with the gamo cf-x and wich pellet should I use for it?

CF-X guy

At February 28, 2006 1:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My sister lets he son chase geese of there dock with a paint ball gun, He hasn’t hit any yet, he gets to excited and charges like Brave Heart. Could a paint ball gun actually harm Canadian Geese?


At February 28, 2006 1:57 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...


The way to find out is to let your sister’s son shoot you with one at the range he shoots the geese. It should be fairly easy to tell.


At February 28, 2006 2:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another possibility is to fire blanks to scare animals, but I have found that deer often just ignore it. Perhaps other animals respond. Blanks are loud and you might need ear protectors.

At February 28, 2006 2:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

could a low powered airsoft gun be used to chase away animals? I don't think most airsoft guns have enough power to really hurt most animals.

At February 28, 2006 3:06 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...


As a shooter I would never recommend pointing anything that shoots at something you don't intend killing, however a case could be made for a lower-powered airsoft gun used that way. I have no experience so I'm not qualified to say.


At February 28, 2006 3:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep in mind folks that we as airgunners and shooters in general are constantly having to defend our right to own our guns. Surely you can think of a better way to scare off an animal rather than to shoot it with something. Imagine the fuel we are giving the anti gun liberals by allowing ourselves and our children to run around and harrass animals by shooting them with paintballs and airsoft guns. I believe if you check your local laws in most states this is illegal anyway to 'harrass or molest' wildlife. I'm with BB on this that if I point a gun, be it airsoft, airgun, or firearm, I want to kill it.
Now an adult shooting at a pest with an airsoft or paintball gun, thats one thing. The adult can determine the extent of damage that may occur, but to allow a child to do so is irresponsible at best.

At February 28, 2006 5:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear BB, I'm interested in a talon in .22cal but even though I read the article in pyramid's website I want to know if I get the condor for it having the hi-flow valve can I get a "kit" that changes it into a SS? I would rather do that than buy a talon SS and then have to send it to the factory for the valve job. or by buying the talon SS and later on buying the 24 inch barrel will I get the same energy/fps as the condor?


At February 28, 2006 5:19 PM, Blogger Adrian Hunter said...

Sorry about the off-topic questions but I have a real problem and I realy need your advice.I own a Maxima air rifle and it's a realy bad drooper for an airgun.A few days ago I have bought a Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40 scope and with this scope mounted on the top of my gun,adjustable mounts are a must.First I need to know what type of adjustable mounts do you advice me to use for my Maxima.Gamo or B-Square adjustable mounts?I fear B-Square won't fit on the rail of my gun but I need an adjustable mount which has both elevation and side-to-side adjustments.Second, I did a little shimming on the rear mount of my scope,about 1mm,and now I'm worried if I bent my scope.Though my scope is made from an alluminium alloy,very tough, I'm still worried.I fired my air rifle only a couple of dozens of times with the scope installed that way,then I dissassembled the mounts because I was feared not to bend the scope tube.How can you tell if a scope tube is bent or not?

At February 28, 2006 6:15 PM, Blogger turtle said...

May I BB.

Condor guy, YES! the condor is idealy suited to recieve the shorter barrel sold as a simple switch out. Airforce sells the "kit" your'e talking about right at pyramyd. It's the 18" barrel. It takes a few min to change to the shorter barrel that will have it's muzzle well inside the reciever shroud acting much as the SS. you'll probably spend more time resighting than actauly switching the barrels, it's that easy. Thh video with your new gun will even show it being done and give you a tip on aligning it.

most people who have owned or own several of the air force guns suggest exactly what you are thinking.

At February 28, 2006 6:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree, if you point your weapon at an animal/pest you had better be sure that it will be a kill shot. Live animals are totally different than shooting a non-moving paper target. I have purchased a Webley Scott Xocet 0.25 caliber, I use the Eun Jin heavy weight pellets. This combination has been very effective for suburban hunting/elimination of armadillos. Practice, practice before you hunt, the worst thing you can do is injure an animal. Just kill it the first time.

At February 28, 2006 6:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear turtle,

So just to get it my mind right on track, later on I'll get the 12 inch barrel make the swap BUT does the shorter barrel come with the end cap that I see on the SS rifle to make it just like the SS but with more power?


At February 28, 2006 7:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well i took down a good size bird from 40 ft witrh my crosman powermaster 66sb which hits 700 fps in .177 cal,so in my oppinion any gun in .22 that shoots about 620 fps or a .177 that hits 900 fps is easily enough poer for small game I mean if a gun like the powermaster 66 sb can take a good size bird in one shot(not even a head shot) than I think 8 to 10 foot pounds is enough for small game hunting without worrying about a inhumane kill but squirrels and crows more than 10 foot pounds at medium or short range

At March 01, 2006 6:46 AM, Blogger turtle said...

Sorry I said 18". your right 12". Hmmmm, Im just not certain if the end cap is included. Very good question.

I dodn't see it listed as included. but see that they say you just switch barrels when you buy it...it is a little vague. I made the mistake of getting several of thier guns....poor me bwahahaha

you can just call Pyramyd they'll tell ya...let me know.

At March 01, 2006 6:48 AM, Blogger turtle said...

Ps if it dosen't come with the end cap, and iarforce won't sell direct, I can send you to a site to get them.

At March 01, 2006 7:24 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...


A bent scope tube will have a dent in the tube that can easily be seen. I recommend the B-Square AA adjustable mounts for you. They put no strain on the scope tube when adjusted, plus they adjust in all directions.


At March 01, 2006 7:43 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Condor to Talon SS,

Turtle was correct except for the barrel length. The Talon SS has a 12-inch barrel that hides inside the frame. The 18-inch barrel extends to the end of the Condor frame, which is the same length as the Talon SS frame, so there will be no sound muffling with that length of barrel.

The 12-inch barrel does not come with the Talon SS end cap, but you can buy the cap from a dealer or directly from AirForce. It's a little more than 10 bucks. The reason they don't bundle it with the barrel is not every buyer is doing a Condor/SS conversion. Some people are just adding a .177 SS barrel to their .22.

When you buy an 18-inch or 24-inch barrel it does come with the correct tapered Delrin end cap for that barrel length. There are thousands of SS rifles, and most people are installing the longer barrels on one of them, so they need the end cap. Plus that Delrin end cap is a lot cheaper than the SS end cap.

The Condor powerplant works about the same as a standard powerplant when using the standard SS air tank. So a Condor owner needs a standard tank, a 12-inch barrel and an SS end cap to convert a Condor to an SS. With the 24-inch Condor barrel installed while using the standard air tank you would also have an SS with a 24-inch barrel, which I think is the best gun AirForce makes.

These air rifles are so flexible and interchangable that it's scary. We start thinking all air rifles should be made this way, but of course they aren't.


At March 01, 2006 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the help, I read somewhere if your really into airguning and you have one rifle it's probably not the last one you'll have.

Thanks guys


At March 02, 2006 1:46 AM, Anonymous Bill said...


My next rifle will be either a Condor or Talon. Your comments about converting a Condor with a 24" barrel to a Talon SS is intriguing. I read you could add a 24" barrel to an SS but didn't know you could modify a Condor the other way.

Would you please add details to your comment, "With the 24-inch Condor barrel installed while using the standard air tank you would also have an SS with a 24-inch barrel, which I think is the best gun AirForce makes." You can have Condor power (24" barrel) and get SS quiet by adding a "standard tank"? This sounds like what I've been looking for--Condor power but quiet. I'm probably missing something; sounds too good.

So, are you able to kit a Condor (24" barrel) to approach the quietness of an SS other than adjusting power level and adding a "silencer" which apparently is a hassle?

Where can I read more about this?

Turtle, you mentioned a site selling end caps? What does the end cap do? URL?


At March 02, 2006 5:27 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...


I'll do a posting on the Condor/SS subject. Probably next Monday.


At March 02, 2006 12:12 PM, Anonymous Bill said...


Look forward to it!


At March 05, 2006 11:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Snakes are not poisonous. They are venomous.

At March 06, 2006 7:25 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...


Sorry. I guess I used the term too loosely.


At March 06, 2006 3:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Venom", "Poison", loseness of terminolgy sometimes is no big deal, as I think here ... either way, you DON"T want a snake like that to bite you !

As for the Condor Talon SS power / noise discussion, I have read about everything BB and Air Force have posted on that, as well as Tom Gaylord's articles on PyramydAir ... What you'd get with a Condor using a Talon tank is less power than if you used the HiFlow tank designed specifically for the Condor as standard equipment ... yes, the power reduction would also lessen the noise a bit, but prob not near as much as going to the 12" barrel and SS end cap configuration ... the SS end cap is different in that it redirects turbulent air back in toward the hidden muzzle of the barrel, which is how it strips the decibels off the firing report. Also, however, you have to consider the ballistics of how a shorter barrel length affects your MV ... so, maybe at some point, since it is detrimental to accuracy for an airgun pellet to go supersonic, and arrive at the skull of that pest animal before the firing report hits his eardrums and tells him he's been fired upon, maybe that's when you have to consider switching to a 17HMR, 17Mach2, or 22Magnum rimfire or .223 centerfire rifle ... just be damned sure what is behind that critter when your ammo possibly exits the other side and keeps on going !

At March 22, 2006 11:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you really want to scare away pests use the largest pneumatic watergun you can find. I have a supersoaker out of the sixties that will knock a crow off it's pirch at 30 feet or so. It's nonlethal and costs next toi nothing!

At August 22, 2006 12:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am trying to find a reasonably priced (around U$100.00) semi automatic rifle for potetially killing some poisonous snakes in my backyard. Any suggestions?

At August 22, 2006 12:56 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I'm sorry but there are no semiautos that inexpensive. However, you only need ONE shot to kill a snake! I've killed plenty of rattlers, and the worst job I ever did was with 7 rounds of .45 ACP. But a 20 foot-pound air rifle will kill them with one shot. And you don't need to aim.

I will tell how next Wednesday (Aug 30th).


At August 31, 2006 6:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would A Crosman Nightstalker Kill A Squirrel .

At September 01, 2006 6:17 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

A NightStalker is not a hunting airgun. It's not powerful enough for humane kills.


At September 01, 2006 9:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so In Other Words A Crosman Phantom 1000 Would Be Way Better At Killing squirrels
Or The Crosman 2250B

At September 01, 2006 9:54 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Squirrel killer,

Yes to both.


At September 01, 2006 10:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But Witch One Would Be Better Over The Crosman Phantom 1000 Or The Crosman 2250B And Would They Be Better With Or WithOut A Scope

At September 01, 2006 10:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i Mean Witch Would Be Better Overall at Killing Those Squirrels The Crosman Phantom 1000 Or The Crosman 2250B And What Pellets Would You Reccomend And Would Those Guns Be better With Or Without A Scope

At September 01, 2006 2:12 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Since price seems to be an issue, I recommend the 2250B, and you get a scope with it.

The 2250 is .22, which you want for hunting, and the Phantom requires a lot of technique to shoot well.

I recommend JSB Exact Diabolo domed pellets.


At September 03, 2006 1:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alright What About The Crosman 2250 Or The Benjamin Sheridan 392 .22 cal With One is A Better Hunting rifle And Why ?

At September 03, 2006 2:50 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The 392 is more powerful.


At September 03, 2006 8:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Is The Top Distance You Can Be Away From A Squirrel To Make A Clean Kill With A Crossman 2250 B And What Pellets would make that shot

At September 04, 2006 9:07 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

A top airgun shooter might get a squirrel ay 40 yards with a JSB Exact. Average shooters should limit their shots to 25 yards.


At September 04, 2006 6:51 PM, Blogger ken41 said...

What would be effective air rifle for killing woodchucks? Price is a serious consideration. What pellet would be most effective? I'm only shooting 15 ysrds

At September 05, 2006 5:45 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Price may be a serious consideration, but sportsmanship should always come first. If you can make clean head shots, a Benjamin 392 can do the job with Beeman Kodiaks. You should be able to hit a nickle every time offhand at 15 yards.


At September 05, 2006 11:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats A Better Hunting Pellet The LoGun Penetrators Or The JSB Predator Pellet

At September 05, 2006 11:30 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The Predator isn't as accurate as the Penetrator, so out to 25 yards the Predator and the Penetrator beyond.


At September 07, 2006 4:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I Got The 2250B And Logun Penetrator Pellets It Will Be Here THe 11th Hope It Meets my Expectations Witch Im Wanting It To Be Strong Enough To Put Down A Coon OR A Oppossum Well Thanks For The Advice

At September 07, 2006 8:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I Heard Some Rumors On Other Airgun Blogs That Say That There Crosman 2250b Only Knoked The Tree Rats Over Is This True

At September 08, 2006 6:53 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I think "rumors" is the operative word. The 2250 can do the job in competent hands.


At September 10, 2006 4:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks For The Advice Ive Killed 5 Squirrels With My 2250b With A Bushnell Scope And Logun Penetrators from about 30 Yards Each But Im Buying Some Pellets For My 2250b And I Need To Know If The Will Be Effective on Squirrels those pellets are BEEMAN .22 Silver Bear hi-impact pellets ,BEEMAN .22 Silver Ace ,BEEMAN .22 Kodiak Extra Heavy ,BEEMAN .22 Crow-Magnum ,BEEMAN .22 Silver Arrow ,Hyper-Velocity Lead Free Field Pellets (Type 1 - For Standard Guns) ,JSB .22 Diabolo Exact Jumbo .

At September 11, 2006 8:17 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I would avoid any non-lead pellets for hunting. The Silver Arrow and the Crow Magnum aren't very accurate in most guns. The Kodiak is a great pellet. Silver Bears are good. The Silver Ace is probably good, but I don't have any experience with it.

Yes, the JSB Exact Diaboilo Jumbo is likely to be the best of all, though I make no promise.


At September 12, 2006 9:14 PM, Anonymous Daniel said...

I have a Quest 800x and I want to know wich pellets are best. What is the bigest thing it can kill. Also how accurate can I make It. Please give me all the info you Know.

At September 13, 2006 6:33 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...


I haven't tested the Quest 800X, but I have tested quite a few similar air rifles from Crosman. My guess is the velocity with medium-weight .22 pellets is in the high 600 f.p.s. range.

I would hope you could get one-inch groups at 25 yards. If true, squirrels and cottontail rabbits are your largest animals.

Try Beeman Kodiaks and JSB Exact Diabolo Jumbo pellets. Don't shoot hollowpoints because you need all the accuracy the rifle can offer.


At September 15, 2006 8:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What .22 Pellet Holder Will Fit The Crosman 2250B I Just Cant Seem To Know Whitch One Will Fit The Skelaton Stock And How do you Use Pellgun oil To Fix leaks in your gun

At September 16, 2006 10:33 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

You might want to attach the pellet holder to your wrist instead of the gun. That's the way field target shooters sometimes do it.


At January 24, 2007 8:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Front Sight Fell Of My 2250b Will Any Muzzlebrakes Work On It and They Have To Be Under 40$

At January 25, 2007 6:04 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You need to measure the outside diameter of nyour barrel, then find a muzzlebrake with an inside diameter slightly larger.

As for the under $40, muzzlebrakes that are legal in the U.S. are less than that.


At January 25, 2007 8:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is There Any Universal Muzzzlebrakes ?

At January 25, 2007 9:10 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Yes, there are plenty of universal brakes.

Go here



At January 25, 2007 9:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok I Have 2250b And I wanted Step It Up A Notch for Longer Range To The Sumatra 2500 Carbine I Understand it is pneumatic Does It Come With The Pump And Everything , And What Is The Range On It ?

At January 25, 2007 10:12 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

For more power with the 2250, please read Tuesday's blog.

The Sumatra comes with what the description tells you. If the pump is not mentioned as being included, you have to purchase it separately. A pneumatic carbine is always less powerful than a rifle, so I would say the effective range is around 60-75 yards, depending on the shooter.


At January 25, 2007 10:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

uh can You Give me the link to tusdays blog

At January 25, 2007 11:14 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Go to the main blog page and look at the index on the right. You want the article about the 2240.


At October 30, 2007 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a c02 powered airsoft gun that shoots 400 fps and it can kill squirrels and such only if you make a head shot. I don't recomend it for it's cruelty to animals unless you kill it because a lot of times it leaves painful wounds but doesn't kill them.

At December 11, 2007 9:17 AM, Anonymous scottp said...

I see no reason to kill snakes, poisonous or nonpoisonous. If you leave them alone, they won't bother you. Most people that are bitten by snakes are trying to capture or kill the snake that bites them. In either case, they deserve to be bitten.
Killing ANY animal just for the sake of killing it is stupid.

At May 19, 2009 1:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know that scottp's post Is over a year old, But I have a reason to kill snakes. Simply - They eat the eggs in my henhouse.


At July 19, 2009 5:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just nailed a pest in my garden with a lp bb gun, i'm not ashamed.

At September 15, 2009 2:06 PM, Blogger ACSial said...

Now that Alberta has *RATS* :@ I've bought a Crosman 2240. We'll see how that goes...

I dispatched mice (Mus musculus) with a Crosman BB gun, in my house. Of course, the best method is a well-placed foot.


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