Wednesday, November 08, 2006

Marksman 1010 - Part 1
An air pistol that has endured

by B.B. Pelletier

The pistol we know today as the Marksman 1010 has been around in some form since I was a little boy back in the 1950s. In those days, it was made by Morton H. Harris, Inc. of Beverly Hills, California (!!!!). The company moved several times in the early years and ended up in Torrence as the Marksman company. The first gun they made (model MP in 1955) was all metal and looked keen (the 1950s version of "way cool"), so we all wanted one. It was heavy, which translated to power in our minds. It looked like a .45 automatic, so a semiautomatic operation was inferred, as well. In fact, the gun of those early days was a single-shot and not very powerful at all.

I truly lusted after that early $6.95 black beauty ($8.95 for chrome), but it wasn't until the 1970s that I bought my first one. By then the price had escalated to $9.95. I was an adult, but I just had to satisfy that itch that started two decades earlier. The gun was still all metal, but it had been turned into a repeater for BBs, while still shooting pellets and darts single-shot. It was called the model MPR (Marksman Pistol Repeater, 1958-1977), and it was now made in Los Angeles.


My old Marksman MPR was the direct ancestor of the 1010. Made until 1977, is was all metal on the outside.


I was also shooting a lot of .45 ACP and .45 Long Colt at this time, so you can imagine my surprise to discover the low velocity this pistol produced. Of course, I had previously owned a Whamo Kruger that was lucky just to get the BB out the barrel, so the 150-200 f.p.s. (or so) of the Marksman was an improvement. I say "or so" because chronographs weren't affordable in the '70s. Until I did the research for this piece, I never really knew how fast things were going.

That early Marksman of mine was so weak that lead pellets simply bounced off target paper; sometimes when I didn't seat them deeply enough they didn't even leave the bore! BBs and darts were the only usable ammo. I found darts to be the best because they stick in a dartboard with the slightest provocation, which is about all they're going to get. I disliked the clumsy BB repeating function, which is really problematic until you develop the knack for it.

For some reason, I hung on to that pistol all this time and still have it today. It no longer works, having stopped about 15 years ago, but I could never bring myself to throw it away - sort of like the spare set of keys in your junk drawer that fits your last car.

Dawn of the 1010
The 1010 was the next logical step, and manufacturing technology began to creep in - in the form of plastic parts. I have avoided testing one until now. My experience with the earlier gun wasn't good, and I really didn't want to have anything more to do with one until one of our readers asked for it. Since times and airguns both change, here we are.


The first 1010 was nearly identical to the MPR, except it has some plastic parts. The front sight and grips appear slightly different, too.


I obtained an older version of the 1010 that is mostly metal with a little bit of plastic (barrel shroud, trigger, slide release and safety), and for this test I just bought a new Marksman 2000, which is a 1010 with a silver frame, separate black plastic grip panels and a black plastic slide. In many ways, it's the same as the 1010, but apparently the new 1010 is all plastic. I wasn't able to buy one of those, so the 2000 will have to stand in for it. The firing mechanisms are identical.


This Marksman 2000 is the same physical structure as the 1010, except that it still has some metal parts on the outside. A real 1010 is all black.


Well, that's a little bit of the history; tomorrow, we'll look at the design and some of the performance.

34 Comments:

At November 08, 2006 7:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gentle Reminder on the Promise to do a blog on 1) Polishing Barrels and 2) Barrel Harmonics.


Love You!

 
At November 08, 2006 8:50 AM, Blogger Don said...

B.B. I won't say that I love you but I sure do love learning more about airguns from your knowledge in the subject. Could you review the Alfa Proj Sport pistol and/or the Tau pistols? (As you masterfully did on the Drulov Condor). Thanks.

 
At November 08, 2006 9:12 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Don,

It may take some months to get to the Alpha Proj Sport. The Tau 7 I have tested and can drag out the results sooner.

B.B.

 
At November 08, 2006 9:13 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Gentle reminder,

I did the polishing blog. It's the one about lapping. Basically, the simple way to do it is with JB Bore Compound.

The barrel harmonics is coming soon.

B.B.

 
At November 08, 2006 10:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I'd like to hear your opinion on Tau-7. I heard quite a few nice things about that series. I was going to buy Tau-7 Junior, but if you can say anything about it I'd like to know it before I make an order.

 
At November 08, 2006 10:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I forgot to say "thanks". How typical of me...
--
Alexey

 
At March 05, 2007 4:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been looking on the Web for some information on my 1972 Marksman BB Repeater, and found your interesting blog on the gun.

Mine doesn't have a model # on the gun, although it is all metal, so I am assuming it might be the MPR?

Would you happen to know the worth? I am trying to sell it.

Tom (yelodwg at yahoo.com)

 
At July 24, 2007 1:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have the 1010 or MPR and wonder how you break it down....any instructions?

 
At July 24, 2007 2:00 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

No instructions for teardown.

B.B.

 
At September 27, 2007 9:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have just acquired an old single shot Marksman. It states Marksman on the left side of receiver and Morton H. Harris on the right side. Once you cock the gun by releasing the slide and pulling back on it, you can then tip up the front of the receiver by moving the front sight. At this time you can place a single bb in a rubber cup that holds it until it is fired. Is this gun an early prototype of what is now the Marksman Repeater? Also, is there any real value for this gun as a collectible?

 
At September 27, 2007 11:42 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You have an early Marksman pistol - not a prototype. If it was made in Beverly Hills, it was made in 1955. If it was made in Los Angeles, it was made in 1955-1957.

The first version is worth $100 or more in excellent condition. If you have the box and all the papers, $200. The second version is worth $50. With box and papers $100.

These are all for perfect guns - no paint loss.

B.B.

 
At September 29, 2007 11:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got an old marksman as well. Even though it says Marksman repeater on the left hand side of the barrel, its a single shooter. As the person before me said, Once you cock the gun by releasing the slide and pulling back on it, you can then tip up the front of the receiver by moving the front sight. You can load either pellets or darts. It says it was made in Huntington Beach, CA.

The only problem is that i have not been able to get it to shoot. Its spring loaded, so I wonder if the spring has lost its strength. The pellets never leave the barrel :(

Any advice on what I can do to get this to start working?

Thanks.

 
At September 29, 2007 3:02 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

No one I know of works on Marksman air pistols - probably because they are so cheap. It would be great if someone would do it.

B.B.

 
At January 03, 2008 4:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi i have just recently came across an old repeater single shot and was wondering if you have any instructions 4 a rebuild or pictures of one that is in pieces as i got mine in pieces and don't really know how it goes back together. and i cant find anywhere in newcastle new south wales australia where i can buy another one from. if you could reply to rayallones@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated thanks ray

 
At January 03, 2008 5:13 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Ray,

I get this question from time to time, and I'm sorry to say I don't have what you need.

Can you contact Lewis Reinhold at Beeman of Australia? He may be able to help you.

Sorry about not replying to your email, but everything stays here on the blog.

B.B.

 
At February 13, 2008 6:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you who ever told how to load The 177 cal Marksman. I lost my manuel and could not figure it out. A good powerfull gun. With a little WD 40 it works great.

Bob from Dallas

 
At May 13, 2008 3:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

le preste a un amigo la que bendria siendo la pistola de la foto # 2, y al pedircela me la entrego desarmada, e intentado armarla pero no puedo colocar todas la piesas en su lugar, habria manera de que me ayudaran

 
At June 11, 2008 11:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When did Marksman Repeater Company move from Torrance, CA.

 
At June 12, 2008 6:18 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

When S/R Industries bought Beeman in 1994, they moved the company from northern California to Huntington Beach, to be with Marksman. So Marksman had to have moved no later than 1994.

B.B.

 
At June 26, 2008 8:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took apart one of these that had become non-functional in the 60's, and quickly learned that it was impossible for me to reassemble it without the specialized spring-compressors that I assume were used in assembly.

I sure had a lot of nicks, blood, and scrapes on my hands from a number of hours of failed attempted re-assembly.

This taught me not to expect good results with things that very suddenly go sproiiing, that includes spring clocks, camera lenses, etc...

Not only do you have no idea about how many parts are missing, somewhere in the killing radius of flying parts, but also no clue about the order of reassembly, or the orientation of parts that could go back in more than one way.

I bought another one, that I recently found in the basement with the original darts.

As a kid we had a lot of fun snap-shooting those orange 1-2" styrofoam balls (sometimes weighted by a bit of lead) launched by hand or slingshot from a blind, or at the firing line as in trap-shooting.

Does anyone have suggestions for lubing this, after 10 or more years without use.

It currently works fine with a test firing with Crosman Copperhead pellets.

It might be interesting to see if I could take it apart and get it back together, after more experience with brakes, suspension, and such things, but I think I will wait until it stops working!

 
At June 26, 2008 8:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Open the gun as if to load it. Drop five drops of any kind of household oil (not WD-40) down the hole that's behind the barrel when the barrel is closed.

Cock and shoot the gun several times with a pellet in it.

B.B.

 
At July 01, 2008 11:02 PM, Anonymous Plinker said...

Thanks for the lube advice, B.B. That seem familiar from the long ago disintegrated owners manual.

As luck would have it, I found another one of the Marksman repeaters today that I have not test fired with ammo yet, but the action is a bit stiffer than the first one.

I think I will lube them both as suggested, and will report back with the results. I think the second one was my brother's, but who knows what else may turn up the the basement.

 
At August 11, 2008 2:14 PM, Blogger Robert said...

I am trying to find out some info on a Morton H. Harris (marksman) air pistol. I've had this pistol since I was 9 or 10 I think. I'm now 62. It's all metal and the front two inches of the barrel folds down so you can insert the BB in the rubber '0' ring. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


RWU

 
At August 11, 2008 2:46 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

RWU,

The pistol you own was made in either Beverly Hills or Los Angeles, from 1955 to 1957. Generally these Marksman pistols have little collector value, but your is the exception. Your pistol is worth $50-75 in average condition and $150 if you have the box. If the condition is better than average, the price can go as high as $200 with the box.

My numbers are from actual prices at airgun shows. The Blue Book is lower than that.

B.B.

 
At August 26, 2008 10:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey whats up i have a question for who ever i have a marksman repeater 4.5 mm .177 cal made in torrance cal. im wondering how much it is worth good condition with serial # of 7j070509

 
At August 26, 2008 11:09 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Marksman 1010 pistols are worth very much unless they were made in Beverly Hills or Los Angeles. Torrence came after Los Angeles.

If it works, it's worth $15-20.

B.B.

 
At November 18, 2008 8:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

id like to know where i can purchase parts for this model gun i have disassmbled it and am confident i can reassemble it what im looking for is the rubber washer and plasic seal that is in the spring mechinism serial #7116107..... please help!

Bob in Forth Worth Texas

 
At November 19, 2008 8:53 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Bob,

Marksman has never sold repair parts for the 1010 pistols. If you want them you;ll have to make them.

You can try to call the company, but that won't be easy, as they do not advertise their contact information.

B.B.

 
At December 21, 2008 7:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Bob in Ft Worth ...

I have reassembled my gun, except for the spring. Do you have a trick for this procedure? Anything you might share would be appreciated!
FYI, the number I have for Marksman is 714-898-7535, in Huntington Beach.

Thanks -- to you and B.B.

Dale

 
At March 14, 2009 9:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just bought two of these today at a gun show. The first is an all-metal MPR, well-worn, made in LA. It was in pieces so I had to put it back together, and also fabricate a new part the connects the slide pull to the cocking mechanism.

Putting it back together was a real pain until I figured it out. The key is to put the big spring in first, then get the sides put on the gun, then cock the pistol by pulling the rod with a pair of pliers. Then, the cocking pull slide can be put on, and the small spring & shroud can be put on the pull rod. Then it's a matter of fiddling to compress the small spring & get the rod anchored in the cocking pull slide.

The key to getting the big spring in is to have a metal tube of some sort that you can place inside the big spring (and over the pull rod) to give the big spring some "stiffness" so it won't have a tendency to bend and pop out...

 
At March 14, 2009 9:26 PM, Blogger kevin said...

Anonymous with the two new (old) marksmans,

Great job! You sound very handy.

This is just the kind of information that other airgunners would like to hear about. This may help another airgunner, like you, that has a 1010 that's a basket case. Your comment is valuable but has been left under an article B.B. did on your guns in 2006.

You'll find the majority of airgunners, like you, asking each other airgun related questions, answering each others questions and sharing experiences under the most recent article that B.B. has written (B.B. writes a new article every day Monday-Friday). If you go to the newest article then scroll down to the bottom of that article and click on "comments" you will be joined with this active exchange between airgunners. Here's a link that will take you there (you'll need to copy and paste this in your browser):

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/

Hope to see you there!

kevin

 
At March 14, 2009 11:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just took apart and it went all over the place. Now I finally find your discussion board after 3 hours of searching how to put it back togather. It still has not much power and I am wandering if anyone knows how to restore the power to shoot the pellets properly.

Suzette

 
At March 15, 2009 8:58 AM, Blogger kevin said...

Suzette,

Brand new, out of the box the Marksman 1010 is not a powerful gun. 150 fps-200 fps is all these guns will do. Accurate up to about 15 feet. Your gun sounds like it's doing the best it can.

kevin

 
At March 15, 2009 7:37 PM, Anonymous Vince said...

Suzette, it is questionable if the 1010 ever really shoots pellets properly. If you read parts 2 and 3, you'll find that Raptors seem to be the only pellets that work worth a hoot in this gun (this link has a link to part 2):

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/11/marksman-1010-part-3-air-pistol-that.html

I think Kevin is being kind when he says the gun is accurate up to about 15 feet.

On mine I made a replacement barrel from a Daisy 499 Avanti Competition BB gun shot tube. I got groups (with BB's) down to about 3" at 15 feet. Sounds pretty bad, but for a 1010 that's actually pretty good.

Oh - one more thing - the 1010 has an aluminum barrel. Accuracy will only tend to get worse with use!

 

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