Thursday, February 09, 2006

Hy-Score 800 spring pistol

by B.B. Pelletier

I'm taking a nostalgia trip today, looking at an American air pistol from the 1950s. The Hy-Score 800 is one of several airguns made by the Hy-Score firm, which also imported a great number of air pistols and rifles from Europe.


Hy-Score's 800 is a classic air pistol with innovations seen nowhere else! The rear sight elevator is missing.


Designed & made in America!
The Hy-Score pistols of the 700- and 800-series are unique, in that they are the only adult spring pistols made in this country. And, they all have innovations galore, which we will explore today. Of all the pistols made, and hundreds of thousands were produced between 1947 and 1970, the model 800 is by far the most common - though you wouldn't know it to look at the web auction sites. Dealers too young to remember when these guns were new have decided they MUST be rare and are starting their auctions with prices of $150 and more. At an airgun show, a good shooter brings $80, while one that's NIB will fetch $175. Blue Book of Airguns says the range spans from $40 to $180, which is right on the money.

Model 700 was the first
Designed by Andrew Lawrence, the model 700 was the first iteration of the pistol. It was produced in 1947 only, and today commands about twice what an 800 brings. Also, the 700s don't lose as much value as their condition deteriorates. If you've seen an 800, the 700 will look very familiar. The biggest differences were in the methods of manufacture, with the 700 being made more of solid steel and requiring more machining time. When held next to an 800, a 700 looks more substantial; but if there is no 800 around, you'd swear it was the same gun.

Model 800 (1948-1970)
The model 800 is made from materials that require less machine time - hence, the price could be held lower. Drawn tubing instead of machined steel was used for the powerplant housing. The piston was fitted around the rear of a very long 10.25" barrel and used it as a spring guide. This design was borrowed from the British, who used it in several airguns, notably the Acvoke. The breech was accessed by a novel mechanism housed inside the swelling at the rear of the receiver. It acted something like a camera shutter and sealed the breech when closed. Twist in one direction to open for loading and back to close the breech. The gun was held with the muzzle pointed straight down to load, because the pellet had to drop through the loading port and into the back of the barrel.

Novel cocking, too
A latch unlocks the powerplant tube, allowing the shooter to lift it up and tilt it forward. A link in the frame drags the piston forward during this motion until the sear catches it. This is reminiscent of the Beeman P1 (HW45) cocking process. The trigger uses leverage to reduce the pull, but nothing reduces a rather long, creepy movement. It is certainly not a target trigger, despite the word "target" in the pistol's name. There is no adjustment; by opening the gun a small amount, you do get a dry-fire capability.

Both calibers had adequate power
The first pistols used automotive-type piston rings. When these proved too unreliable, an O-ring was substituted. Hy-Score pistols develop velocity in the high 300 f.p.s. region in .22 caliber, which is all I ever tested. They do exist in .177 as well as a smoothbore for BBs. For the power potential of their mainspring, they were a little on the weak side. I've attribute that to the breech sealing mechanism.

A repeater!
A repeating mechanism was available on the model 802. It held the pellets inside the breech mechanism, and they rotated around to the loading port. When opened, the next pellet dropped into the breech if the pistol was held correctly.

Accuracy, schmaccuracy!
Like the trigger, the available accuracy is not indicative of the word "target" on the box. I used to get 2.5" groups at 10 meters. It's a pretty poor pistol that can be beat by a Webley Senior - but the Hy-Score can.

More innovation: changeable barrels!
The model 803 Sportster is a short-barrelled single-shot with all three calibers as interchangeable barrels. They're much more scarce and having one in the box with all the barrels and paper is a real find! A model 804 is the same gun with the repeating mechanism.


The Sportster model came with .177 and .22 rifled barrels and a smoothbore barrel for BBs. Though it looks short, the barrel extends all the way to the back of the pistol.


The last guns that were made have impressed engraving on their frames. All metal parts are well blued, and the Tenite plastic grips come in a variety of colors. The rear sight riser is pretty loose, and many guns will be missing it. Blue Book says they were also chromed, but I wonder if that should be nickelplated, instead. Chrome plating on guns is very rare and doesn't look nearly as good as nickel, which has a slight golden cast to it.

If you want to own America's only adult spring-pistol air pistol, this is the one to get.

64 Comments:

At February 09, 2006 6:40 AM, Blogger turtle said...

:)

 
At February 09, 2006 6:44 AM, Blogger turtle said...

BTW still tune in all the time.

This has really taken off. Like I said I really feel plugged in with the best.

keep it up.

call you after Shots. need help w/ the AF. hope u enjoyed this year.

thanks for everything.

 
At February 09, 2006 7:37 AM, Anonymous Denny said...

If i ever get back into airguns and collecting, i want one of these pistols. Thanks for the daily articles.

 
At February 09, 2006 12:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if I take the two foamed pads out and then put a rifle inside the case? Will that still cause harm to the barrel by promoting rust?

 
At February 10, 2006 1:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

I was in Vegas at the Mandalay Bay 2/6 - 2/9 for my anniversary and did not go to the SHOT show. Was it there? Did I miss it? I saw something out of the corner of my eye advertising while walking through the Convention Center, but as I promised, "...no alterior motives, no races, no sports events, gun shows, just our anniversary Honey..."

Bummed,dsw

 
At February 10, 2006 5:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dsw,

The SHOT Show started on 2/9. It's open to businesses, not the general public. If you can present a tax license or business license, you can enter.

 
At February 10, 2006 10:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Thanks. I can, did I miss anything?

I just thought it would be cool to be there. Some other time maybe.

thanks again

dsw

 
At February 11, 2006 1:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dsw,

I wanted to suggest that you get the GTX trigger from http://charliedatuna.com/.Its for gamos and the cf-x is in the list!!!.Or better yet,send the gun to him for a supertune or a turbo tune.He will live it better than new.And the trigger pull is less that 1.5lbs.Please go into the website and at least check it out.Ill send him my CF-X in summer.I just wanted to let you know that at least the trigger for $37 is a steal and .........Well,go to the site and check it out.If you are interested ill send you his phone number.OHHHHHHH and please send me a couple of pictures from your cf-x in different angles.I just love it.


CF-X guy

 
At February 11, 2006 10:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

CFX Guy,

Thanks for the info, I will look up the link.

I haven't really had much trouble with the trigger,as creepy as it is. Only when I take too much time to get the shot off.

dsw

 
At February 11, 2006 11:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dsw,

No problem.After all,you and BB have been great with me.I hope that you two continue to be great people and God Bless you two.


CF-X guy

 
At February 16, 2006 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Thanks for the article. The Hyscore 800 is one of favorite air pistols. I have two- a .177 and .22 in single shot. They are very well made by today's standards. Trigger action is excellent and I and I find mine to be fairly accurate. You mentioned power was compromised to some extent by the design of the breech seal. Can you be more specific? I would appreciate your comments.

Fred

 
At February 16, 2006 8:13 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Fred,

What I meant was the metal breech seal wasn't any too positive. I believe it allowed air to escape. I chronographed my .22 in the low to mid-300s.

B.B.

 
At March 18, 2006 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had an 802 and I disagree with the earlier comment that it wasn't accurate. I never took it to the firing range; it was strictly a field gun on my hiking trips. It shot anything from grouse to woodcock. It had to be accurate because it was a lot of work just sneaking up to those targets, which added significantly to our field menus. The most remarkable shot was of a 6" crab (I swear) from a bluff overlooking a beach at well over 100 feet. It was delicious.

 
At March 18, 2006 7:01 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Well that's a darn good shot! The accuracy comment was relative to other more accurate air pistols that I have shot, plus back when the Hy Score guns were made, the barrels weren't all up to the same standards. In those days it was not uncommon to get a barrel that wasn't rifled all the way through the tube.

Thanks for your recollection!

B.B.

 
At March 19, 2006 8:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi i have a hy-score works great tight groups at 50 yds but i don't know witch model i have it just say's target model how do i tell the model Tks D.

 
At March 20, 2006 12:32 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

D.

To tell the model number you need the Blue Book of Airguns or some other authoritative reference book. The American-made Hy Score pistols were not marked with the model number like their German counterparts.

B.B.

 
At April 14, 2006 2:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anybody knows about a spring loaded high score model 815 cal. 22 which says on the barrel made in Germany for HY-Score arms corp. in Brooklyn, NY.

 
At April 19, 2006 3:53 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

I finally found a picture of my Hi-score Sportster Model 804..There seems to be a missing part that has the function of loading the spring...how can I have it repaired and where can I send it.??..Tony from Calgary, Alberta..

 
At April 19, 2006 4:53 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

ony,

The only person I know of who might be able to fix your gun is John Groenewold in Illinois.

John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365

 
At May 29, 2006 4:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i just received a model 815 and i can,t figure out how to get in the end of the gun to clean the springs ,it seems that a seal must be bad it,won't fire a pellet out,but some sort of resadue comes out

 
At June 28, 2006 5:46 PM, Anonymous bamboni@hotmail.com said...

Hi There.
I'm a guy from Denmark who has bought a Hy-Score sporter some years ago. I think it may be a repro, but can see in some pages that it can be very rare. Some interest?
p.s. I have picture I can send
Regards Toni

 
At June 28, 2006 6:54 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Toni,

You might get better ewsults by advertising on American Airguns web page/. It's free.

http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/classifieds.html

B.B.

 
At August 14, 2006 11:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a model 700 with white ivory stlye grips in excellent condition. anyone interested make an offer.

 
At September 25, 2006 5:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a model 803B, like new, in the box with two barrels. Just wish to check on the value of this one. Reply to certrix@yahoo.com.

 
At September 25, 2006 1:13 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

It's worth about $350, according to the Blue Book.

B.B.

 
At December 07, 2006 6:00 PM, Blogger Don R said...

I too own what I think is a 700 with white Ivory style grips.It looks exactly like the first picture on the top of this page. The ser# is 842323 if that'll help with the date of mfg. the sight is like new and the blueing is also very good. Love the way it shoots and I'm wondering what it would be worth to someone.

 
At December 08, 2006 9:40 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Don R,

The first pistol on this posting is an 800, not a 700. The 700 is a heavier gun witout engraving. The barrel comes straight out from the frame, rather than being shaped like the one shown.

A 700 in the shape you describe is worth $250-300. An 800 is worth $125-150.

B.B.

 
At January 01, 2007 10:43 PM, Blogger RdwithCypress said...

I have the 816 model. I love the gun. Does anyone know where I can have my gun tuned up? It needs new O ring seals.

 
At January 02, 2007 4:22 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Your pistol is acutally a Diana model 6, I believe. It is recoilless?

Your pistol can be repaired by Umarex USA, who is the RWS Diana importer. Their website is

www.umarexusa.com

B.B.

 
At January 17, 2007 2:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am interested in purchasing a model 800. Any for sale, e-mail me at swillard@wardcarpenter.com

 
At February 17, 2007 10:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My father passed away recently, and I now have his Hy-Score Sportster. It appears like the last picture in your post, with the exception of the loading gate . Mine has multiple holes in it. Is there somewhere I can obtain a manual and parts for this? The rear sight riser is missing. Other than that, I know nothing about this pistol. Thank you.

 
At February 17, 2007 10:41 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Yuo need to ask collectors for the manuals. Try advertising here

http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/classifieds.html

The sight elevator is a part that many collectors are missing. Maybe someone will make some up someday.

The holes in your loader mean that your gun is a repeater. It's the best of the series!

B.B.

 
At April 15, 2007 3:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hy Score 815 has a rollpin on back spring retainer,you will probably have to fab a seal from either leather or rubber. My seal had no compression and I changed it over to another leather (same as stock) seal. Does anyone know how many FPS that gun is ? Can't Find any lit on it, although Im original owner.

 
At July 09, 2007 8:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read all of this history and comments and i have one for you. my father past away a short time ago and i found his HY SCORE BB, Pellet Rifle, Mod 808, Cal.177 and BBs made in germany for Hy score arms corp. brooklyn, Ny, USA. It is in excellent condition and still shoots acuratly. You did not mention any thing about any rifles, i was wondering when it was made and what it is worth, thankyou, trickyp43@yahoo.com.

 
At July 10, 2007 5:57 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

trickyp,

Your Hy Score 808 is actually made by Diana of Germany. I think it is the model 25. It was made in the '60s, but the date will be on the receiver at the left rear. Two tiny numbers for the year and two for the month of manufacture. A rifle in good condition should be worth $100-125.

B.B.

 
At July 31, 2007 12:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey I was just wondering where I could find a repair manuel or something for these guns. My dad recently gave me a model 815 I can remember shooting it as a kid but now it dont work. would like to get it back into working order. Thank you. You can email me at trutxn78@aol.com

 
At July 31, 2007 5:54 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You are really in luck because a Hy Score 815 is actually a Diana model 5, the most prolific model air pistol since the end oif WWII.

Contact this man for repairs and parts:

John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365

B.B.

 
At August 13, 2007 2:42 PM, Blogger debdye said...

i have a hby-score model 803 pistol w/ interchangable barrels .22 &.177 in original box &papers anyone interested contact me at mrbigstuff@zoominternet.net for sale to best offer

 
At September 12, 2007 9:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A friend wants to sell his hy score model 815 cal 22 any idea of value

 
At September 13, 2007 6:37 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The Hy Score 815 is a Diana model 5 pistol. In good condition, it's worth $75-100.

B.B.

 
At October 19, 2007 8:29 AM, Blogger AirGunRevolutionary said...

B.B.
I just picked up a Hy score model 700 in .22 caliber with the rear sights intact for $71.40. It had marbled white and brown grips, is this the walnut the Blue Book of Air Guns sixth edition(thanks pyramid air) says is worth less. Also Blue Book says one of these guns (you can tell if its a 700 by the serial number which always starts with a 7) in poor condition is worth $90.

It was in the cocking position when I bought it and I cannot figure out how to cock and lock it back in firing position, also does anyone know how to seal the pellet in after loading. it looks like a wall covers the loading port after twisting the back, but I cannot get it to close fully.
-AirgunRevolutionary

 
At October 19, 2007 9:20 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

AirgunRevolutionary,

I don't have any experience repairing the American-made Hy Score pistols, but I think this man does:

John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
http://www.jgairguns.biz

B.B.

 
At November 17, 2007 2:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

recently,i was given a hy-score mod 800.it wasn't in a box or have any of the paperwork(manual)but did come with a partial can of pellets(daisy brand).it seems to be in working order cause i tested it out and it shot perfectly.grips seems slightly loose but found which screw to turn to tighten them.
i find the gun to be very interesting cause before this one,i only had a cheap marksman repeater (.177 cal)and a pair of beretta replica air softs pistols(which are very unaccurate).even though my 800 could be worth something,i don't think i'll sell it.(not to mention i'm kinda keeping it in the family(recieved it from my brother in-laws father)

 
At December 28, 2007 1:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My HY SCORE TARGET MODEL 800 Has an Grey marbled like ivory grips. Does this make it more valuable?
Gordon Nofs

 
At December 28, 2007 2:32 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Gordon,

It just makes it a later gun, or one that has swapped grips with an 802 or 803.

B.B.

 
At February 24, 2008 12:15 PM, Blogger gbenth said...

I was given a Hy-Score Sportster a few years ago and tried to find info on it then. I have now found your site and see that I have a 804 with just one barrel and that is a smooth bore. I can not find pellets that will fit in the breech quick load and allow me to rotate the repeater to firing position. Any ideas would be helpful. It says to use "Hy-Score Pellets Only".

 
At February 25, 2008 5:42 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

gbenth,

Two reasons why you can't use Hy Score pellets. 1. Hy Score doesn't exist anymore, and 2. Hy Score never made a pellet. They bought them from pellet makers and put their label on the tin. That's a common ploy and meaningless, in this case.

You need short pellets, and wadcutterts (flat-nosed pellets ) are the shortest. Go to Wal-Marrt and buy Crosman Supermatch wadcutters. They should fit.

The feed mechanism gets sticky and sometimes won't rotate with anything in it. That may be the problem instead of the pellets. Your gun may need to be repaired or overhauled. This man can do it:

John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
http://www.jgairguns.biz

B.B.

 
At March 05, 2008 9:47 PM, Anonymous Beefy728 said...

Have acquired a sportster, and want to know if the extended screw in piece is available. Mine is missing this piece

 
At March 06, 2008 6:27 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Beefy728,

I don't know what you mean by the "extended screw-in piece" unless you are talking about a silencer for the British remake of the Sportster. If that's what you mean it may be hard to find because there aren't a lot of the Brit guns in the U.S.

B.B.

 
At April 24, 2008 9:44 AM, Anonymous Beefy728 said...

The sportster I have is missing the interchangeable barrels. I believe that the piece that screws into the front of the barrel, must either be a piece that holds the barrels in place, or each barrel must have that screw threaded piece attached to it. Since I have never seen a complete sportster, I only knew that I had nothing to screw into those screwthreads. Does anyone know if the barrels are available. Any information would be appreciated. Beefy728

 
At April 24, 2008 9:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Beefy728,

The barrels are difficult to find, as everyone who has a pistol wants all three. You have to find them at airgun shows, or through some lucky find.

B.B.

 
At April 27, 2008 10:11 AM, Anonymous Beefy728 said...

Anyone who may have any of the barrels, extra barrels, or a lead to finding something, you can contact me at j.biddlecome@hughes.net ,and the help will be greatly appreciated.
Jack (beefy728)

 
At May 14, 2008 11:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi i just recently got a hy-score 22 cal usa made and ive contacted the people you gentleman have listed to no result my problem is a have a rear cap that has a hole in the center and when i take it off there is a retaining spring clip that looks like a snap-ring and nothing else what is supposed to close off the hole is it the shutter i see people talking about and if so does anyone have one for sale please help my e-mail is corkym909 @ yahoo .com

 
At May 15, 2008 5:26 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Corky,

Contact Larry Hannusch. He has parts for the 800 pistol::

lhannusch@netscape.net

B.B.

 
At June 20, 2008 8:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Acquired HY-SCORE AR1/.S .22 cal Made in USA, 891779 is marked underneath the barrel out near the front sight. Have not fired it yet, but was wondering where to find info on it. I can only find info on .177 models so far. It appears to be in excellent condition and was wondering on the value of this gun. Hope I got a nice buy!

thanks for the help,
Cool_Fire

 
At June 21, 2008 5:40 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cool_Fire,

There is a small amount of info in The Blue Book of Airguns, but not enough to identify your rifle from the info you have listed.

I;m guessing it is an uncommon model made by Hammerli, rather than a Diana or something like that.

B.B.

 
At June 21, 2008 8:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry forgot to mention that it is a pistol not a rifle. I found one very similiar to it on an auction site but it was a .177 and the loading port at the back was a different design.

I don't think this is an 700, 800 or the new sporter models that are listed in The Blue Book of Airguns. Could it possibly be one of those?

thanks for the help
Cool_Fire

 
At June 22, 2008 10:18 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cool_Fire,

To determine which Hy Score pistol you have, let';s begin by looking at the design. Is your gun powered by a spring or by CO2? That will narrown the field.

Next, if it is spring-powered, is it cocked by breaking the barrel down to push the mainspring, or is the barrel pushed straight back or is the top of the gun listed up and swung forward?

Knowing those things, I can help narrow it down. It's possible your gun is pictured in the Blue Book, under the name of the real manufacturer.

B.B.

 
At June 22, 2008 4:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Pistol is powered by a spring, and the barrel pivots forward to cock it. Barrel is inscribed with
HY-SCORE Target Air Pistol
HY-SCORE AR1/.S CO. NEW YORK.N.Y.
Patent Pending Made in USA
It looks like the one in the picture at the top of this article but the "AR1/.S" made me think it is not the 800.

 
At June 22, 2008 5:06 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cool_Fire,

You could have a model 700, I guess. The model numbers are not marked on these guns. They just say Hy Score Target Model. The 700 is beefier than the 800 and the barrel has a pronounced step from the receiver instead of the smooth transition on the 800.

B.B.

 
At June 22, 2008 5:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay. thanks so much for the information, it is greatly appreciated :)

Cool_Fire

 
At June 27, 2008 8:36 AM, Anonymous Beefy728 said...

Anyone who may have any of the barrels, extra barrels, or a lead to finding something, you can contact me at j.biddlecome@hughes.net ,and the help will be greatly appreciated.
Jack (beefy728)

 
At June 27, 2008 9:56 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jack,

Go to this forum and register. Then ask Larry Hannusch about a barrel. Larry has a nice assortment of Hy Score parts.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/405945/

Don't worry, the guys on this forum are very nice and well-behaved.

B.B.

 
At July 01, 2008 4:56 PM, Blogger j.biddlecome said...

Beefy728 ( Jack ) did reach Larry Hannusch, and he did answer many of my questions, and was able to supply me with a .177 barrel. The price was reasonable, and am now able to do some plinking. In all, it WAS a very happy transaction. Thanks again to Larry, Jack

 

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