Tuesday, April 15, 2008

RWS Diana 45 - a bridge to the past

by B.B. Pelletier

Back in 1978, the airgun world was at the beginning of a velocity revolution. The FWB 124 had come to market earlier in the decade and was capable of almost 800 f.p.s. right out of the box. With careful tuning, it became the first spring-piston air rifle to break the 800 f.p.s. "barrier." Hot on its heels, the BSF 55 was soon tweaked to 860 f.p.s., and even the old lumbering HW 35 was capable of just 800 with careful tuning of certain rifles. That left Diana, a major player, as the only quality German house without a player in the big game.

Diana (this was before RWS became a major distributor of the line) had their model 35, a large breakbarrel they advertised as shooting 725 f.p.s. In truth, the rifle barely made 675, which was only 25 f.p.s.. faster than the much lighter and slimmer Diana 27. Tuning did nothing for the 35. It was permanently hamstrung by a too-short piston stroke. When FWB, BSF and HW went off to the races in the early 1970s, Diana was left standing at the gate. The model 45 was supposed to fix that.


Diana 45 was a large, handsome breakbarrel spring-piston air rifle. This one is from 1983 and has all the earliest features.


The 45 first came to market in 1978. Those were still the days when Dianas were being made by Milbro in Scotland, so instead of calling them Dianas, all the German-made guns had to be called Original when shipped outside of Germany. The first Diana 45 to come to America came as the Original 45 and sold by Air Rifle Headquarters. The basic rifle got 790 f.p.s. in .177 and could be tuned to deliver 845-860. It was an immediate rival of the BSF 55, though it cost about twice what the smaller rifle did.

The 45 was a departure from Diana styling in a number of important ways. First, and in my mind, most importantly, they unitized the trigger. Prior to this, Diana triggers were a swarm of loose parts that worked only because they were held in close confines by the spring tube. Outside the gun, they were separate parts. The 45 trigger was the first modular trigger their sporting air rifles had.


This trigger was Diana's first unitized trigger system. It was very adjustable for its day.


Another design element was the introduction of a long-stroke piston. That's where the 45's power came from. The rifle was also very large and had a more Western-style stock. By today's standards, it looks normal, but compared to the other air rifles available in 1978, it looked like a Weatherby among a bunch of military Enfields.

Diana retained their famous ball-bearing barrel-locking detent. That feature was so popular that Feinwerkbau had copied it on their 124. It made the gun open much easier than a similar rifle with a traditional chisel detent.


A comparison of styles. The Diana 45 cocking slot (left) had to be long to clear the one-piece cocking link when the barrel was broken for cocking. The HW 35 slot was much shorter because the rifle used a two-piece hinged cocking link that hugged the bottom of the action. The short slot was supposed to dampen vibration and be easier to install a sling swivel.


They stumbled with the piston and breech seals. By making them leather instead of synthetic, they gave away 150 f.p.s. Within five years, Diana (now called Diana everywhere and distributed by RWS) would bring out the models 34, 36 and 38. Each more powerful than the 45 and all, except for the walnut-stocked 38, far less expensive. It's difficult to sell an 850 f.p.s. rifle for $300 when you're also selling a 1,000 f.p.s. model for $100, which was the case with the Diana 45 and 34 in the mid-1980s. They added features like front sight inserts and walnut stocks. Until the 45 got its own synthetic breech and piston seals in 1988, it was an uphill battle.

That said, the big 45 still has a large following of enthusiastic owners. Of the Diana breakbarrels, only the 34 is loved by more shooters, and it was produced in far greater numbers. There were many different models of the 45, including a factory commemorative model with a walnut stock and an inset brass medallion.

The 45 remained in the Diana line until 2004. It's still shown on the German website, but it's no longer in the catalog. Models like the 350 Magnum have eclipsed the power of the final version by so much that it simply could not keep up.

20 Comments:

At April 15, 2008 3:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I like history like this in part because it gives me a look at gunsmithing principles and their evolution. The messy trigger design remind me of one of the few valuable things I know which I picked up from my man, Clint Fowler. He says on his page that a principle of an accurate rifle is that when firing the parts do not have independent angular accelerations but all work together as a whole. One can think of the shooter as an additional part of all this too with the body position, trigger squeeze, breath control and everything else in harmony with the gun. It's quite profound to be aware of this--and fun too.

Matt61

 
At April 15, 2008 3:26 PM, Anonymous Phil L. said...

B. B. -

Aaarrgghhh! Every time I think I'm zeroing in on a good choice for my first "real" air rifle, you go off and post yet another great write-up on a rifle I'd love to spend time with.

I'm sure my dilemma is familiar: I grew up with various Daisy and Crosman models. I had great fun and learned a lot - but I remember seeing ads in the back of magazines about these new "adult air rifles" from Europe, and the amazing things they could do. But realities of teenage cash flow meant I could only dream.

Fast forward through the years: I've still got my first Daisy model 95, but even I'll admit it's just not accurate enough to be much fun. My Ruger Mark II rimfire is accurate - but the realities of small kids and schedules means I can't get out to the range very often.

So I find myself sneaking down into the basement most every evening I can. I can *just* squeeze in a 10m range, and my wife has learned that the funny "fftthhT" sound just means I'm relaxing. My Crosman 1377 and Daisy 860 (a pump-up rescued from a neighbor's basement) are fun - but I'm looking for something more.

That something will be a rifle. Something capable of rewarding patience and practice in my basement range. A rifle whose purchase I won't regret in years to come. I'm not looking for hunting power or range; I know that 1000 fps is mostly marketing. High velocity doesn't make much sense for what I have in mind anyway; I'll likely rarely get to use it outdoors. I'm trying to stay away from the cost and complexities of CO2 and PCP models, so I'm left looking at springers and various pneumatic models.

Most modern springers seem to be overkill for what I've got in mind - and learning to control that big spring's recoil seems at odds with a goal of tack-driving accuracy. Then I see things like the Diana 34 and 45, which represent what I remember when such quality airguns first showed up on the US market when I was a kid. I also keep coming back to the IZH Baikal 61, which gets surpringly good reviews for its price. And I even find I like things like the Daisy Avanti single-stroke models.

So I've been through the Pyramyd Air "airgun selector" menus; I've read tons of descriptions, and I've been digging through your blog posts - yet I still find myself going in circles, looking for my perfect air rifle.

Any advice on how to proceed would be appreciated!

Phil

 
At April 15, 2008 3:33 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Phil,

Absolutely! Look long and hard at bopth the Beeman HW 30 and the Beeman R7. The R7 has the better trigger and stock, but the powerplant is identical.

Either one will fulfill your dream.

If the HW 50 were still available, I would also list it.

B.B.

 
At April 15, 2008 3:52 PM, Anonymous Phil L. said...

B. B. -

Thanks for your many insights on this blog. Now off for some HW 30 and R7 reading!

Phil

 
At April 15, 2008 4:39 PM, Blogger ajvenom said...

Did I miss the 50 dollar in 5 min. experiment?

How about guns/air guns you've passed on?

btw I was reading about shooting 30 cals a few blogs ago. I started with a 30-06 Browning bolt action when I was a kid. I still have all my teeth. After that, shooting everything else went pretty well.

I've also lost your history of .177 velocity milemarkers. I guess I'll search some more.

 
At April 15, 2008 4:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phil,

I sure can identify with your situation since it was mine less than a year ago. It's hard to believe since that time how deep I've gotten into the lore of guns. I would never contradict a suggestion by B.B. and the fact is the HW30 is one of my dream guns.

But since you mention the IZH 61, I thought I would add some thoughts on it. The barrel is great; inside 10 meters I doubt you could tell the difference from much more expensive guns. The ergonomics are excellent, especially if you set the screw inside the stock on maximum; you get a good four inches of extension which are not shown in the display photos. The trigger is fabulous. And here is something that is more objective. If you like to shoot, especially within a tight schedule, it helps to have a repeater which can crank off the shots quickly. The time taken to break a barrel and load a round will add up over time. (As far as sheer output, the Crosman 1077 will send out even more rounds and approaches target rifle accuracy from what I can see although its trigger will always hold you back a little.) Finally, the IZH 61 is going in up in price; it recently broke the $100 mark.

Anyway, just wanted to share my thoughts on a similar situation. You can hardly go wrong with the many good choices out there.

Matt61

 
At April 15, 2008 4:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phil,

One other thing, I wouldn't limit yourself to just a rifle. The Daisy 747 is a wonderful pistol for all the reasons that you've seen on the blog, and I've found that the match pistol shooting offers a distinctively different gratification from rifle shooting.

Matt61

 
At April 15, 2008 5:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

henry

Thanks for yesterday's review of the Ed Brown rifle. I didn't know that any kind of .22 could a target at 1500 yards. That's quite a set-up to shoot those distances out of your backyard.

Matt61

 
At April 15, 2008 5:20 PM, Anonymous azawalli said...

Hello, B.B.,

I enjour your column and your expertise. I'm very tempted to buy the Daisy 747, for its accuracy and because I live in an apartment.

Are there any airpistols that are similarly quiet. I'm curious about other weapons, with a similar powerplant as the 747, as well as quiet multistroke guns, quiet CO2 powered guns and (if there are any) quiet sprngers and quiet PCP handgus. If you could rate the guns from quietest through the noisiest, Id appeciate it.

I enjoy reading your blog daily, and I value your opinion.

Best regards,

Andre

 
At April 15, 2008 5:35 PM, Blogger Henry said...

Matt61

If you call a lake a target, it sure can.

 
At April 15, 2008 5:48 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Andre,

Springer will generally be the quietest. The Daisy 747 is special. Most single stokes make more noise.

An HW 70 is pretty quiet, but the 747 takes top honors.

In CO2, only the vintage APP 661 is quiet, and that's because it's underpowered.

B.B.

 
At April 15, 2008 8:52 PM, Anonymous Phil L. said...

Matt61 -

Thanks for your comments on the IZH 61. I'll admit I first dismissed it, purely because it first looked too much like a toy. But I couldn't ignore it after finding so many positive reports.

Yes, a pistol is also on my list (the Gamo Compact vs. IZH 46 series has been remarkably well timed for me), but I plan to get a rifle first.

Phil

 
At April 15, 2008 9:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like many others I am sure, the RWS 45 was my introduction to adult airguns. I bought mine at Atlantic guns back in 89. It has always been the gun I compare all the others I have bought too. It is a bit massive and that extra long barrel seems to really go on forever but it does make the cocking easier than others of similar power. I looked back at some of my records to see that it was pushing Silver Bears at 960 fps and Kodiaks at 774 but I had marked Silver Jets as the most accurate. It was always a well behaved gun with no twang. I still own that gun but sadly dont seem to shoot it very much since my collection of HW's has grown and as I have grown to appreciate lower power.

Sam

 
At April 15, 2008 10:32 PM, Anonymous dragonslayer said...

Man I have been away too long! Nice report BB. The 34 is the work horse of the Diana line. It is a shame some of the older models have been replaced by the "latest&greatest" fps "kings". I must say my favorite fun gun now is my 1993 Diana 24.What a sweet little shooter! Yes I have been away too long from the site that got me started when I got my first computer. I am still addicted to airguns in a big way! I see alot of familar names here,,I feel the need to come back "Home". Tim.

 
At April 16, 2008 12:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

just a quick note from a fellow airgunner up here in canada for the guy wondering what adult air rifle to get. i agree with b.b. look very hard at a hw 30 and also if you are near to a canadian border you could come across the line and buy the hw50 b.b. spoke about and also a note for b.b. we do have the last of the slavia 630,631. because we can only get a rifle up to 500fps without an fac i do not have the issues with too much power for the basement or the hold sensitivity that some have but with decent power to do some small game hunting.

 
At April 16, 2008 6:05 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Sam,

I think I remember that specific 45! It was one of the first new models with synthetic seals.

I'm still shooting and loving my Garand! Now I need a carbine to go with it.

B.B.

 
At April 16, 2008 12:45 PM, Blogger Henry said...

Dragonslayer,

Welcome Back!

 
At April 16, 2008 12:47 PM, Blogger Henry said...

Dragonslayer,

By the way, can your 24 take a moose?

 
At April 19, 2008 12:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A quick question:
A CONDOR MOD 45 (.177 cal) looks like the Diana mod 45 in your article. Also marked made in West Germany - so i am assuming it's early to mid 80's. A buddy just got this as a gift, but it is missing the cocking lever - any ideas if the part is available and where. Any help appreciated -cheers

 
At April 19, 2008 9:52 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Condor 45,

It's probably a Diana under another name.

This guy may be able to help:

John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
http://www.jgairguns.biz

B.B.

 

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