Tuesday, August 16, 2005

1377 - Another Crosman classic!

by B.B. Pelletier

The Crosman 1377 descends from models 105/106. Introduced way back in 1948, they were Crosman's first attempt at a pneumatic pistol. In 1955, the company came out with the self-cocking model 130 pistol, and it would be 25 years before they returned to the more conventional knock-open valve. The 1377 is the model that made the big change and is also the one with the longest life, having been in the lineup since 1977.

Crosman started making more and more guns in .177 only
Over the years, Crosman has followed the general shift toward .177 caliber, and today the 1377 has no 1322 counterpart. This pistol is the only multi-pump pneumatic in Crosman's line since the year 2000. Three to seven pump strokes give controlled velocity up to 600 f.p.s., which is screaming for a pellet pistol!

The barrel is finely rifled for good accuracy and, given the power, some close-range hunting is possible. This gun hits like a small air rifle out to 20 or 25 yards.

Lots of goodies to go with it
Crosman has developed many accessories for the 1377 and similar pistols. Because the grips are similar to all the pistols they ever made, the detachable 1399 shoulder stock fits almost any Crosman pneumatic and many CO2 single-shots, as well. At one time, the shoulder stock came with the gun and they called it a carbine, so this should be high on your list of accessories to pick up.

A perfect pistol to scope!
This is also a good pistol to scope or to mount a red dot sight, especially if you mount the shoulder stock. Get Crosman's 459MT optional dovetails that clamp directly to the barrel, and you have what you need to attach scope rings to the gun. The Crosman 0410 Targetfinder is affordable, in keeping with the price of the pistol and gives you 4x optics instead of open sights. Of course, a dot sight is also possible and Daisy makes a very affordable one that fits Crosman's optional 3/8" dovetail base.

No powerlets required!
All you need to start shooting is air and pellets. Unless you live on the Moon, the first requirement is taken care of, and my recommendation for the pellets is Crosman's own 7.9-grain Premier. They'll preserve the velocity potential of the gun and still be very accurate. You might also try the Crosman Copperhead pointed pellets in the big box and save a few dollars.

The bottom line for the 1377 is this: it's every bit as powerful as the more expensive Benjamin pistols, and I would think it would be as accurate, too. What you give up is some appearance, and if you're willing to do that, here is an American classic just waiting for you. I'd like to hear what you 1377 owners think of your guns.

238 Comments:

At August 16, 2005 8:18 AM, Anonymous Denny said...

A few years ago i had a Crosman 1377 and shoulder stock. Also had a .22 version. Both are fine guns for the money.
I always prefered the .22. The extra "thumping" power of the .22 makes a more reliable killer on game, in my opinion. I only hope Crosman brings back a .22 version. With the shoulder stock on and the peep blade turned up, you got a super little fun gun.

 
At August 16, 2005 8:40 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Denny,

Thanks for that observation. I, too, would have liked the 1322 for its thumping power.

B.B.

 
At August 20, 2005 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you know what would be nice on pyramydair? If that had a section where you cna build your air rifle or pistol from the ground up, I think they have one for certain guns on the site, but It would be nice if the gun builder used all the accessories from the site. Just my 2 cents

 
At August 21, 2005 9:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.rbgrips.net/SHOWROOM.html this site has really nice grips and forarms for some of the crosman pistols

 
At August 22, 2005 4:47 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Yes, Ralph Brown is a great resource for Crosman grips. His wood and metal laminates are especially striking.

B.B.

 
At August 22, 2005 7:44 PM, Anonymous cregg said...

For some $50+ the 1377 is a bargain! It's the first air pistol I ever had and I still like to pull it out for plinkin (not small game). Get the optional 1399 buttstock (and keep the sights aligned!) and you've got a terrifically accurate "carbine" for your money. BTW: I typically use it at 20 yards.

 
At August 22, 2005 7:49 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cregg,

Thanks for your input. I hope our readers see what you say and take you up on it.

B.B.

 
At September 16, 2005 9:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was handed down an American Classes Crosman 1377 Pellet gun. However, It didn't have a manual with it. Do you know where I can find one.
Thanks

 
At September 16, 2005 9:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was handed down an American Classes Crosman 1377 Pellet gun. However, It didn't have a manual with it. Do you know where I can find one.
Thanks
Mary

 
At September 17, 2005 8:41 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

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At September 17, 2005 8:42 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Mary,

Contact Crosman for a manual. They are at Crosman.com

B.B.

 
At October 09, 2005 9:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I purchased my 1377 pistol around 1987. It has a black trigger and no gold handle on the chamber cover. From what I recall, this first version has higher pressure than the suceeding models. Is this correct? Thanks, NV Shooter

 
At October 10, 2005 4:56 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

NV Shooter,

I've not heard about a pressure change in the 1377. It may be correct but I haven't heard of it.

Sorry,

B.B.

 
At December 29, 2005 11:00 AM, Blogger attila said...

Hi

I just received my 1377 from Pyramid. I realize this airgun is designed for pellets but while I was waiting for it I was trying to think of a low cost & safe conversion mechanism for firing BBs from this unit.

BEEMAN's cleaning pellets (http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=680) gave me an idea how BBs can be fired from this or nearly any pellet-only airgun.

Just take a "whisp" of fine cotton from a cotton-ball and place a BB into it and roll it gently in your finger tips - enough to keep the BB in place at the throat/top of the barrel and enough to keep it from rolling through the barrel when the gun is tilted.

It ACTUALLY works quite well! <8-)

Attila

 
At December 29, 2005 11:45 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Attila,

What you have made is called a patched ball. It's used by muzzleloaders to ease the loading friction of lead balls in rifled barrels. If done right, the patch, not the ball, takes the rifling and causes the ball to spin.

One word of caution - if the BB ever rubs against the bore while doing this, it can cause damage.

B.B.

 
At January 22, 2006 6:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I remember shooting the 1377 when I was a kid, 30+ years ago. When I decided to get back into shooting, I was shocked to see that it was still being produced. I bought one immediately, and have loved it ever since. Why change a good thing. My compliments to Crosman for seeing that some things don't need to be improved upon. I find the gun to be very accurate with quite a kick. More fun than most of the rifles I have.

Rick Pelletier

 
At January 23, 2006 7:59 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Rick,

Well said! I hope Crosman reads your comment, because the 1377 has been around a long time.

B.B.

 
At February 04, 2006 11:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it that Crosman stopped producing the 1322 ? I would like to know if the 1377 can be converted to .22 cal. with parts of their other pistols ?

 
At February 11, 2006 1:57 PM, Anonymous yarzak said...

Anonymous said...
"Why is it that Crosman stopped producing the 1322 ? I would like to know if the 1377 can be converted to .22 cal. with parts of their other pistols ?"

I recommend getting the following from Crosman:
Exploded View, Parts and Price List Model 1322 & 1377
http://www.crosman.com/2004/pdf/manuals/crosman/1322/C1322-1&2EVP.pdf

Yes and here is my Recipe for the 1322:

1. One 1377 (new or used).
I am using new so about $50

2. One .22 cal breech (steel or otherwise).
I am using Steel Breech Kit from Crosman $29.00
http://www.crosman.com/site/custom_store
Under custom "accessories" Model Number: 2240SBPK for .22. This kit may be attached to Crosman airgun model numbers 2240, 2250, 2260, 2289 and 1322. .

Another option is Jim at crooked barn has The CB Ultimate Breech made of Hex Aluminum and is grooved for a Scope, Red Dot or Laser Sight. It has 4 set screws so you can "Free Float" the barrel. The Ultimate Breech is $38.00 and is available with the Bolt on the Left of the Right side of the Breech.
http://www.crookedbarn.com/new_page_7.htm

I do not like or use the bolt that comes with
croswman kit instead I want an extended bolt.

3.Extended Bolt
I am using extended bolts from Jim at crooked barn The CB Ultimate Bolt for $18.00.
http://www.crookedbarn.com/

4. One .22 barrel. I believe the Crosman 1322 barrel part number is 11322-064. You might want to use a different barrel. Crosman and others have possibilities.


5. I DESPISE THE CRAPPY BROWN PLASTIC GRIPS THAT COME ON THESE GUNS!

I have used the Shoulder Stock $20 from Crosman
Model Number: 1399A001

With this I have used the super pumper forearm grip from Ralph at RBGrips.
http://www.rbgrips.net/CROSMAN1322.htmlt

If not using shoulder stock I use either Ralph's (RBGrips) or as on my current project grips by Rick.
http://home.comcast.net/~rlandres/Get_A_Grip.htm

The custom wood grips make such a difference. I will not put together any custom without them. I so dislike the plastic grips on 1377 that I consider custom grips a necessary component.

Custom forearm by Ralph, Rick, or whoever will keep you from pinching fingers which happens after using 1377/1322 for awhile.

My mechanical and technical skills are fine but when it comes to wood working I really need to leave it to others:)

Ray

 
At March 06, 2006 9:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out rbgrips.net for wood replacement grips and pimp handle. Does anyone know of a holster for the venerable 1377c?

 
At March 11, 2006 12:44 AM, Blogger Ross said...

I had one of the originals in 1977 and at age 14 it was my favorite rodent eliminator around home (grew up on biscayne bay in Miami Beach of which rats travel the sea walls to get to people's homes). And I just recently aquired one (my original disappeared 20 years ago) and still find it a very impressive pellet gun, it may not be pretty as the rest but is very cool for its price!

 
At April 16, 2006 10:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have mounted a Red Dot 1x scope on my 1377. After sighting in the scope, I have noticed that I am not hitting the rodents that I am shooting at. Closer investigation shows that the dovetail scope mounts, that wrap around the barrel, are tight and not moving, but the barrel itself is not solid in the pistol frame. This allows the whole barrel and the scope to move every time it is bumped or used. How can I fix this?

Tom

 
At April 16, 2006 10:45 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Tom,

The barrel and breech are made as one part. Check to see that the breech screw is tight. It's the screw under the rear of the frame that extends over the hand.

If that's not the problem, the barrel needs to be permanently fixed to the breech. This is a warranty issue. If your gun is out of warranty, send it to one of the pneumatic repair stations listed in the July 20 posting.

B.B.

 
At May 18, 2006 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a 1377 that I saw on sale at Big 5 (I think it was $54) and I love it. We were amazed at how accurate it is!

For those wanting a 1322, why not get a Benjamin HB22 instead of converting a 1377? The HB22 costs the same as (or less than) an equivalent conversion.

I'd love to see a review on the HB22 since I have it on my to-buy list.

DB

 
At May 21, 2006 3:38 PM, Blogger Rich said...

I remember having a .22 Crosman pump pistol back in the early 1960's. I sold it to my nephew for $15 about 1968. I'm sorry that I ever sold it. It was deadly accurate at normal ranges. When fully pumped, its trajectory was still flat enough to hit reasonably close to the aiming point on a 2'x2' sign at a measured 125 feet. I don't remember the model # - - perhaps a model 130?

 
At May 23, 2006 8:50 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Rich and Anomymous,

Wow! That sounds like a rock band!

I just acquired a .22 Corsman 106 (the earliest pneumatic Crosman made). I have to get it sealed and maybe then I can do a blog. The 130 is already done, of course. Just use the search function to find it.

B.B.

 
At May 24, 2006 12:48 AM, Blogger Cesarf25s said...

This I can Hit Coins from about 10 yards out. I fell in love with this air pistol real fast. I hit a dime, with open sights, from 15 yards, while it was rested on a small pillow. After 10 more shots I hit it 2 more times in a row and I decided to stop while I was ahead. This Pistol is what you want to buy if your looking to spend under 60 dollars. Shes alot accurate then any Rifle I have ever purchased under 60 dollars. I am now in the process of buying a scope for this baby. Buy the 1377.

 
At May 25, 2006 8:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to own the vintage version of the Crosman 1377 until i was unable to pump the air (if anyone knows how to fix it please email me at ArmedReaper@msn.com). I bought the new version and I think it works just as perfectly fine as the old one, the shoulder stock (which is discontinued here) goes perfectly fine with the gun and makes for a perfect, fun shootin' gun.

 
At July 06, 2006 10:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I noticed a lot of information on the net about modifying the 1377 plus the manual and parts view are available at Crosman's web site! It looks like this is another reason everyone likes this pistol.

I decided to upgrade mine to a .22 so I purchased the steel breech, 2289 barrel and 2289 front sight from Crosman (part numbers 2240SBPK, 2289-001 and 788-101 respectively). (The 2289 is a small rifle made by Crosman based on the same frame as the 1377 and has about a 15.5 inch barrel.) It all went together pretty easily, but there are three things to note.
1) The front barrel support had to be drilled larger since the 2289 barrel is longer the the 1377/1322 barrel. I used a 13/32" drill bit and carefully reamed it out until the barrel fit nicely.
2) The spacer between the air tube and the barrel isn't needed any more.
3) Don't lose the steel sleeve or gasket that go between the air tube and barrel. The gasket actually sits down in a recess in the air tube. Note the direction the steel sleeve sits.

This was a nice pistol as a .177, but I really like it with the steel breech and longer barrel! It is heavier (and longer) now so the feel is different and I have to be more sensitive to the trigger pull.

I also have a question.

The bolt on my 1377 has never stayed back when you cock it. I have to hold it back while I load a pellet or it will fall forward. I was new to airguns when I purchased it and didn't know this was incorrect until I shot my friend's 1377. I talked to Crosman service and they can't help me because I bought the gun over a year ago. The question is, does anyone know what might be causing this? I assume it is somewhere in the hammer mechanism since the new breech and bolt didn't do anything. What is it that actually holds the bolt back?

Thanks,
DLB

 
At July 06, 2006 3:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

The bolt falls forward by gravity (the spring doesn't push it forward - it stays cocked). On my friend's 1377, the bolt catches in the back position until you push it forward. Both of ours are the 1377C.

Thanks,
DLB

 
At July 06, 2006 4:11 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

DLB,

Okay, I understand.

This is a difference between two individual guns, by which I mean the different tolerances of the bolts. It is not designed to remain back when the muzzle is pointed forward, so your gun acts normally. Your friend's bolt has less clearance than yours.

There are ways to make your bolt hang back if it's a problem. They involve reducing the clearance of the bolt. But your gun is the normal one.

B.B.

 
At July 06, 2006 8:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

Thank you, that is a relief. I thought there was something wrong with my gun.

I will think about how to change that since I like the bolt to "lock" open when it is pulled back. Perhaps I can drill a hole in the bolt, slip a spring and bearing in it and slot the inside of the breech at the appropriate location.

I do have a couple more questions.
1) Is it ok to dry fire a pump airgun without pumping it?
2) Is it ok to dry fire a pump airgun after it has been pumped?

Thank you! I am finding your blogs very informative.

DLB

 
At July 07, 2006 7:15 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

DLB,

Dry-firing a pneumatic gun is not harmful, regardless of whether there is a charge in it or not. However, the hammer is designed to hit a valve pin that has resistance, so dry-firing an empty gun is not something you want to do a lot of.

B.B.

 
At July 10, 2006 3:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you B.B.,

My friend suggested an alternate method of dry firing for those times when you have to. Pump it a couple of times and rest the end of the barrel against a clean carpet or other soft, thick material and then dry fire it. Does this sound reasonable to simulate the resistance of a pellet?

I have more information to add to my post about the modification. After installing the steel breech, the old rear sight can no longer be used. I cut off the blade of the old front sight (the 2289 front sight replaces it) since it was in the way. Also the 2289 barrel is about 14.5", not 15.5" (from the air port).

I thought of an alternate idea for keeping the bolt back after cocking the gun. Drill a hole in the rear of the bolt and epoxy a small permanent magnet in it. The magnet should attach itself to the metal rod that sticks up from the hammer and hold the bolt back. This method doesn't require doing anything to the breech itself. I will post another message if this works for me.

Thanks,
DLB

 
At July 10, 2006 4:26 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

DLB,

You don't have to provide any resistance for a pneumatic gun. The carpet is fine, but not necessary, except to lower the noise and perhaps to provide a bit of added safety. That's not a bad idea, come to think about it.

Your bolt retainer sounds interesting. Love to hear about it.

B.B.

 
At July 23, 2006 8:40 PM, Anonymous Olin said...

I went camping this last weekend and brought my 1377c with me. I had just gotten it and I hadn't even taken it out of the box. When I got on the mountain, it turns out my brother-in-law had just bought a 1077 semi-auto air rifle.
As far as accuracy is concerned my little pistol out shot his rifle by far. With just three pumps I could shoot a gatorade cap at around 15 yards, with one try. Thats alot better than I could do with the rifle and I'm a far better rifleman.
Im saving up for scope mounts and a scope, then comes the shoulderstock, then a new forearm stock.
-Olin

 
At July 24, 2006 6:54 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Olin,

That's great, however, the 1077 is capable of hitting that cap at 25 yards all day long. The TruGlo sights must be throwing you off.

B.B.

 
At July 24, 2006 8:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,

I did fasten a 3/16" diameter, nickel plated, neodymium magnet in a hole drilled into the back of the bolt and it works great!

DLB

 
At July 25, 2006 8:20 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

DLB,

Excellent! We'll call it the DLB bolt from now on.

Thanks for the feedback.

B.B.

 
At August 29, 2006 1:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Awesome gun. Only $50 at Dick's Sporting Goods. Amazingly sharp accurrate precise shots. Its like a small rifle jammed into an air pistol. I guess the only way to produce such an affordable piece of smart craftsmanship like this to the public was to mask a really amazing piece of hardware (I'm refering to anything metal on this gun) with shoddy plastic grips/pump section. Horrible, they grips slide a little everytime I pump the gun even though I have tightened the screws. I have seen the gorgeous works of wooden art created by the gentleman at RB Grips. I will have to save up a bit and pick those up. Meanwhile any tips on getting ths standard grips to fit better with less slide near the bottom? I picked up a Tasco Rimfire 4x, they were currently out of the scope suggested on this blog. The price was identical ($9.95) and looks the same. Anyone know for sure if it will fit onto the weaver 459 Dovetails that I have ordered? I'm guessing it will. I assume Crosman wadcutters and domed Crosman pellets will (continue) to do me well? I'm still drooling over those wooden stocks and add-ons available for the gun. They seem reasonable priced. Though anything may be better then the grips that ship with the unit itself.

 
At August 29, 2006 4:01 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

If "anything" would really be better, try duct tape around the grips.

B.B.

 
At August 29, 2006 9:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, do you think my Tasco 4x Rimfire scope will fint the 459 dovetails I ordered from Pyramid Air? Is it in the same category as the scope you mention on this page? Thanks in advance.

 
At August 30, 2006 1:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had a interesting shot with my crosman 1377c just today. I shot the face side of a U.S. quarter from 27 feet (3 for 3)using a Crosman wadcutter pellet and 10 pumps on the gun. I later went over to collect the flattened pellets (I shot I my basement) when I noticed one pellet had been smashed flatter then the others. It looked like the wide flat head of a shiny nickle nail. Anyway, upon closer inspection I noticed what appeared to very tiny writting stamped into the "face" of the pellet. Upon even closer inspection, I found I could read the words " In God We Trust". The pellet had smashed into the quarter with such force, it had stamped the raised words into its head, just like an intaglio printmaking process. I have the pellet and quarter. It looks like there is a dent in the section with the writing. I planning on shooting some photos tomorrow. Just thought I would share the hitting power of this gun with everyone.

 
At August 30, 2006 8:19 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Tasco scope,

If your Tasco fits 3/8 dovetails, yes, it will fit. Since you already order5ed the bases, why not just wait and see?

I don't know what the specs are for your Tasco, but the Crosman scope I mentioned isn't an expensive one, so they should at least be equivalent.

B.B.

 
At August 30, 2006 9:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,
I actually went ahead and tried your duct tape idea. The results were still less then desired. Is there a way to unscrew the platic grips and then jury-rig them to stay put. They seem to slip and slide a little right around the bottom even though I have tightened the screws fully. Any ideas would help. Is it normal for this guns standard grips to have a little give (move slightly back and forth?) near the butt area, or do I have a potentially defective gun or are they all like this? Cant really complain though, gun shoots outstandingly. Just wanted to know if its worth taking a trip back to the Sporting Goods store for an exchange, or, is this just they way most of these pistols are out of the box?

 
At August 31, 2006 5:52 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Your gun is not defective, it's just a production-built gun made to a very low price. Another gun might have tighter grips. To stop them from moving, they need some kind of locater pin or stop inside the grip frame.

B.B.

 
At August 31, 2006 1:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

asco scope fine, however I am having a similar problem one of the posters here has faces. The barrel/breech move slightly (slight wobble left/right), I tried tightening the breech screw as you mentioned, underneath the gun under the "pumer" section, the screw is tiny though, I'm not sure how that is supposed to hold the barrel in place. There is a tiny (allen?) screw on the top of the gun, when you draw back the bolt, I dont know what size the screw is, or if I even have the right size wrench to tighten. You stated the barrel need to be permanently affixed, as in a warrenty issuse, my gun is three days old and shoots perfectly, any other thoughts or tips???

 
At August 31, 2006 1:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Above post is regarding loose 459MT dovetail mounts, the mounts and scope fit together fine, but when attached to the gun the whole scope rig wobbles)

 
At August 31, 2006 2:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got off the phone with Crosman customer service, the lady was kind enought to pull a 1377 model into her hands on her end so she could examine this issue. She also stated that the breech screw you mention underneath the gun has no impact on tightening the barrel, oddly, the barrel on her gun was also slightly moving just like mine. She suggested I tighten the tiny allen screw under the bolt, she said she could not provide any service beyond that tip, but she said she will check with another tech and email me back. The barrel and breach are one piece, but the whole piece itself shifts withing the framework of the gun. Any help from anyone would be appreciated!

 
At August 31, 2006 3:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got it, its the little allen screw right underneath the bolt, the whole barrel seems to be nice and stable now.

 
At September 17, 2006 1:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

does anyone know where I can find the review on crosman c11 pistol???

 
At September 17, 2006 1:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

is me again, i am thinking should i get the walther cp99 compact or the new crosman c11 pistol. i like the crosman c11 480fps alot, but i can't find any review on crosman c11 anywhere. thanks guys!!

 
At September 17, 2006 2:21 AM, Blogger Rengo said...

Does anyone know the top velocity of a standard crosman 1322. And, would a 1322 or 1377 be more preferable for hunting squirls, rabbits, racoons, at moderate range

 
At September 17, 2006 8:44 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Crosman C11,

I alrady answered you. You have to tell me whether you are interested in the pistol that shoots steel BBs or to airsoft pistol. They both are C11s.

B.B.

 
At September 18, 2006 12:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am going to use in shoots steel BBs and anywhere i can find the review on crosman c11 steel BBs postol. also is it a good choice to get the crosman c11 steel BBS pistol? thanks

 
At September 18, 2006 6:58 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Crosman C11,

Thank you for clarifying that. There has been no review of the new Crosman C11 pistol yet on this blog.

B.B.

 
At September 18, 2006 11:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will you choose the crosman c11 steel bbs over the walther cp99 compact steel bbs.

 
At September 18, 2006 12:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

can you tell me where (which website) i can get the crosman c11 in a reasonable price??

 
At September 18, 2006 12:48 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Crosman C11,

There is a search engine called Google

www.google.com

Go there and type Crosman C11 in the search box. You will come up with all the websites that have listings for the C11. Some of the top ones will be dealers.

This blog belongs to Pyramyd Air, whose website is

www.pyramydair.com

Pyramyd Air doesn't stock the C11 at this time, so you will have to find another airgun dealer.

B.B.

 
At September 18, 2006 5:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, i will try google.com first. thanks!

 
At September 20, 2006 11:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb pelletier, do you know when pyramydair.com start carry "crosman c11" bbs co2 pistol on their website?

 
At September 21, 2006 6:59 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

C11,

You are very interested in this pistol! Why don't you call Pyramyd Air and ask them?

888-262-4867

B.B.

 
At September 26, 2006 1:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just dont know why is so hard to get a hand on the crosman c11 steel bbs pistol. everywhere I search is out of stock or they dont carry this model.

 
At September 26, 2006 7:13 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Well here is something interesting. Crosman doesn't even show it on their website - at least not that I have been able to locate.

Is it possible you are searching for a model that doesn't exist?

There is a Crosman airsoft pistol with that model number.

It's here:

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=1066

Could that be where the confusion lies? The airsoft community calls their 6mm balls BBs, too.

B.B.

 
At September 30, 2006 11:35 PM, Anonymous Tom Hawk @ UT said...

I found a website it carry "Crosman C11 steel bbs pistol". check it out @ www.ultout.com

 
At October 01, 2006 8:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi tom, i'll try that website, thanks!

 
At October 05, 2006 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say what you want about the bigger being better. I have both .22 and .177. Believe this!...The .177 has taken more small game..squirrel and rabbits that any other pistol I own...(11) at last count! Great gun, and with the shoulder stock I even took a groundhog with a head shot with the 1377 using a Copperhead pointed hunting pellet at a measuered 29 yards. Not bad! Good little companion! Accurate and powerful Buy the 1377C

 
At October 06, 2006 1:07 PM, Blogger ajvenom said...

I had to shim my left grip on my 1377c. I took a toothpick (one thick enough) and pushed it in the square like gap on the bottom of the grip. I pulled it out and cut it off where it had stopped going in. Then a took a black permanent marker and colored the end where I cut it and jammed it back in the gun flush.

I also had to put a new screw and a washer to hold the rear vertical metal sight on better.

Gamo rockets are the most accurate pellet I've used so far and have about the best penitration. For more punch the crosman premier magnums are good.

 
At October 10, 2006 2:04 PM, Blogger Darvell Hunt said...

Just got my first 1377 yesterday. I'm impressed--except for the grips. I almost didn't buy it when I felt the gun in my hand, but I'm glad I did.

My dad has had a 1377 for 15 to 20 years, so I wanted one. Almost didn't think it was the same gun. My dad's has wooden grips. I will definitely be upgrading mine to wood as soon as possible.

I shot it a few times at 10-15 yards. Accuracy is very satisfying. It's a keeper. Got mine for $35 at Big 5. On sale this week for $39, but they were out of stock, so I got the open-box display model for 10% off. I was less than pleased with the feel of the gun in the store, but more than pleased after shooting it.

The grips are going to cost more than the gun...! ROFL. But good wooden grips are always well worth the money.

Darvell

 
At October 10, 2006 10:11 PM, Anonymous Chris said...

Just like you Darvell I bought my 1377 at Big 5 and also got the floor model for $35. :)

I am interested in knowing if there are any rubberized custom grips available for the 1377? I see the wooden ones but would prefer some rubber ones. Thanks for the help guys!

 
At October 15, 2006 6:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just looking at www.rbgrips.net, and I saw that they have sportsman and target grips in addition to just replacement grips for the 1322, and I was wondering what the difference between them was, and how exactly they benefit people using them for different purposes.

 
At October 15, 2006 7:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How hard is this gun to pump by the time it gets to about 10 pumps? Is it harder or easier to pump than, say, a Crosman 760? That is the only pump airgun I own, so I would like to know how easy or hard the 1377 is to pump by comparison.

J

 
At October 16, 2006 12:51 AM, Anonymous Chris said...

About the question regarding the difference in the grips. I just talked to Ralph a few days ago(I ordered a set of Walnut replacement grips and a super pump from him) and i asked him about the difference between the replacement and the target style grips and he told me that the target style had a larger thumb shelf was the only difference. I am not sure about the sportsman though as I didn't ask. He said the target style had a little bit wider thumb shelf that was similiar to a Mark I(?) I believe.

Hope that helps.

Chris

 
At October 16, 2006 6:31 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

J,

The 1377 is harder to pump because the pump handle is shorter.

B.B.

 
At October 19, 2006 10:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yesterday, Wednesday, I checked my local Big 5 Sporting Goods and asked if the 1377 was on sale. The Manager said that the sale ended Sunday 10-15-06--but if I wanted one I could come back Thursday afternoon as he would be getting four of them and I could have one or all of them for $39.99. He did not want to sell me the model in the store as it had been around, everyone had played with it, and there was no box, or other crossman packaging. I live in a small town and the Big 5 Managers can honor any sale price, at any time they want to. At $40 I can get some decent grips and still be a click under $100.

Milrose

 
At October 19, 2006 10:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, Big 5 only charged me $39.00. The price was right. The air pistol is a bargain, it is quited accurate, yes it needs some decent wood grips, it is not the most quiet air gun, but the biggest negative is the trigger pull. Pulling the hose off the hose cart in the dead of winter is easier than pulling the trigger on the 1377. Please, someone tell me there is a fix for this--a replacement or 3rd party trigger mechanism or even a wider trigger or trigger slip-on to widen the trigger and even out the pressure needed to squeeze that puppy. Did I get the only production piece with a 50 lb. pull trigger?

Milrose

 
At October 20, 2006 12:51 AM, Anonymous Chris said...

Milrose,

I found trigger shoes available on this site.

http://www.mountainaircustomairguns.com/accessories.htm

I know I had seen them on another site as well but I am unable to find it now. Hope this helps.

Chris

 
At October 22, 2006 12:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi, does anyone have any common on the new "crosman pro77" blowback pistol??

tom k.@ washington

 
At October 22, 2006 3:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like it's about to become available:
Crosman PRO77

 
At October 22, 2006 8:20 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

PRO77,

I have one and will post a review this week.

B.B.

 
At October 23, 2006 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Chris for the Mountain Air site. They have some very great accessories and services. In fact, if someone really wants a new, custom 1322 they can have one--for $160 to $210 with lots of custom features.

I did find another site that offers Trigger Shoes in a variety of sizes and colors for around $7 -- Airguns.com

Milrose

 
At October 24, 2006 1:16 AM, Anonymous Chris said...

Thanks Milrose, that's the other site I had seen them on. I just could find it again as their site is a little goofy to navigate.

Chris

 
At October 29, 2006 7:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi bb
What is the best air pistol that i can buy under 100 dollars

Thanks

 
At October 29, 2006 8:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sry i meant to say 150 dollars and down
thx

 
At October 30, 2006 6:34 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Under $100,

You posted your question 4 times on three blog postings. Please just ask yout question once. I answered it on the post you first asked the question.

B.B.

 
At November 02, 2006 9:14 AM, Blogger A6tailhooker said...

B.B.
Thanx to your blog and members here I just got my first Crosman 1377C and found and ordered the grip kit from RB Grips.
Anyone know where to get better rear (and/or front) iron sights for the 1377C? Any chance the rear sight from an OLD 1377 might work...or perhaps Benjamin HB22 sights might work? Options? I am hoping a replacement is available to mount directly without a lot of modification.

 
At November 03, 2006 1:23 AM, Anonymous Chris said...

I just recently received my Walnut replacement grips and super pumper from RB grips for my 1377C and I have got to tell you that they are terrific! The gun is a pleasure to shoot now and I highly recommend this upgrade for any 1377C owner. I just bought a 2nd 1377C and just ordered a set of Maple Target style grips with a super pumper and I can't wait to get them. :) I can't recommend his grips enough.

Happy shotting fellas!

Chris

 
At November 06, 2006 10:33 PM, Blogger A6tailhooker said...

I just received and installed my walnut sportsman-style grips, super pumper fore arm, and filler strip. Only 6 days from order to delivery. What a difference in feel and looks. Great looks and easy to install...super service from Ralph at RB Grips.

Pipper on the bull...

A6Tailhooker

 
At November 06, 2006 10:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looking forward to that review on the Crosman PRO77 !!!!!!!

 
At November 21, 2006 12:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how much power do you need to take down a rabbit

 
At November 21, 2006 12:42 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

With a good hit, 6 foot-pounds should do it. That's 6 on target, not at the muzzle.

B.B.

 
At November 22, 2006 10:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So after reading the comments on here, it seems that the only real problem with this gun is that the grips are junk, but you can buy replacement wood ones for about the same amount of money that you paid for the gun to start with. Huh.

Someone also mentioned that the trigger pull on this gun is terrible, is that really the case?

 
At November 22, 2006 10:17 PM, Anonymous Chris said...

Yes, aside from the grips which can be easily replaced with some very nice after market woods, the only other real issue with this gun is the trigger pull. It's not bad if you get used to it and a trigger shoe from the crosman custom shop definitely helps. You can also modify the trigger mechanisms on these guns to make the pull alot easier as well. I just use a trigger shoe on mine and it's fine for me.

Chris

 
At November 23, 2006 1:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the maximum number of pumps for this gun? I've seen several conflicting reports of anywhere from 7-10 pumps max. What is it actually?

 
At November 23, 2006 1:20 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The Crosman owner's manual, which is available on the Pyramyd Air website, says 10 pumps. I always go by the manufacturer's recommendation.

B.B.

 
At November 24, 2006 6:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think you could do a review on the Benjamin HB22? I am thinking about getting a 1377, but would prefer it in a .22, and this gun also comes with wood grips.

 
At November 25, 2006 6:04 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

HB22,

It's on the list.

B.B.

 
At November 26, 2006 2:28 AM, Anonymous Brad said...

B.B.

I want an air pistol that can pretty much do it all. My dad has one of these 1377's and I love how this thing thumps! However, when I say I want a gun that can do it all, I really mean it. Are these accessories going a little overboard?....

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=190

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=272

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=1046

I was looking at just purchasing the Gamo Varmint Hunter, but when figuring that the 1377 can be a handgun and sudo rifle (with optional stock)...it just seems so versatile.

Any comments?

 
At November 26, 2006 8:32 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Brad,

Yes, you are overboard and what's the problem with that? Enjoy your hobby!

B.B.

 
At November 27, 2006 1:08 AM, Anonymous Chris said...

Nothing wrong with going overboard with this hobby. :) I have only been in it 2 months and have only just begun!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3102/crosman1377028el0.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7592/crosman1377025dh3.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/635/crosman1377031ui1.jpg

Chris

 
At November 28, 2006 3:55 AM, Anonymous Brad said...

Ok, couple more questions...

CHRIS-
1)Are those the grips available from RB Grips?
2)If so, what is that lighter color of wood used? Is that maple? Its friggin beautiful on that gun.
3)What did you install on the triggers? Is it just for comfort?
4)After installing the scope, have you noticed the scope staying true after pumping the gun up time after time?
Thanks for any input.

BB-
I would be interested in joining a club or attending an airgun target shooting contest. How would I be able to find out more information on this. Im not a huge fan of real firearms, but Im thinking airguns are becoming more and more appealing to me for a serious hobby. Any input is appreciated.

 
At November 28, 2006 6:20 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Brad,

It's time to look up