Thursday, December 08, 2005

Diana 35: the big brother to the model 27

by B.B. Pelletier

Today's blog is for Ian, who was given a Diana model 35. He wasn't getting very good groups, so I gave him some tips on holding a spring gun when firing. I should have asked him what pellet he was using, because I suspect it's a major part of the problem. He's doing well now, but his last comment went like this:

"I'd be pleased if you could do a review on the Diana/Original Model 35, together with what velocity and ft/lbs to expect. Mine is the Original 35 built in 1968 in Germany and has the red recoil pad."


Diana's model 35 was one of the most powerful spring guns in the 1950s. It was made until 1987.


Former contender fades as airgun technology advances
When it was new, the Diana 35 was a powerful air rifle. It had a revolutionary trigger and was even set up to take a scope - sort of. But it remained in the inventory without change for nearly four decades and finally went out with a whimper as more powerful airguns passed it by.

It was powerful for its day, but you won't think that shooting a Crosman Premier in .22 caliber at an average of just 550 f.p.s. is much to talk about. The one I tested did a little better with RWS Meisterkugeln, which weigh 14.2 grains, sending them out at an average of 591 f.p.s. That's still only 11 foot-pounds; for a .22 spring rifle, that seems pretty tame by today's standards.

They were called by many names
Dianas were sold in the U.S. under many brand names, which confuses collectors. The Winchester 435 is really a Diana 35, but gun people believe it must be special because of the name. They were also known as Original 35, Peerless 35, Geco 35, Beeman 200 and Hy-Score 809 (I owned a Hy-Score 809 made in 1977.)

A big gun!
Unlike the handy Diana 27, the 35 is BIG! It weighs about eight pounds and is a man-sized gun. There are two main variations - the first built between 1953-1964 and the second between 1965-1987. The later version had a thicker stock, very slippery stamped checkering (the kind most shooters HATE) and was generally not as svelte as the earlier one.

My 35 cocked with 24 pounds of effort, which is light for this size airgun. After I lubricated the firing mechanism, that dropped to 19 pounds, though the gun's power remained exactly where it had been.


Lots of parts for a simple job. Diana's ball bearing trigger was a real sales item in the 1950s. It releases about the same as a standard lever-type trigger.


The ball bearing trigger
The 35 has Diana's ball bearing trigger, a simplified variation of it is still used today. It is not modular, so the airgunsmith has to know exactly what goes where and also needs a few tricks to get it back in the gun in the assembled state. Today's Diana triggers are more modular, though they still use three ball bearings to hold the piston.


A plain dovetail ramp with no provision for a scope stop. Hang a stop pin in front of the ramp to keep the rings from moving.


Made for a scope - maybe!
Shooters didn't scope airguns in the 1950s, but they started to in the '60s. Diana put a simple raised ramp on top of the receiver tube and let the owner guess how to mount the scope. If you scope one today, you need to hang some kind of scope stop pin over the front of this plain ramp to keep the scope mount from sliding backwards on the ramp.

The Diana 35 was an early attempt at building a powerful air rifle. Later guns of the same size and weight would have nearly twice the power, but they benefitted from the work that Diana had done for them.

13 Comments:

At December 08, 2005 7:00 AM, Anonymous Denny said...

Very interesting. Keep 'em coming. Thanks.

 
At December 08, 2005 12:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB, thanks for the interesting history on the Diana 35. l'm going to print this off if you don't have any objection and pass it on to my father in law as he still has a great fondness for the air rifle. How were you able to research so much so soon?

As you know the legal limit in the UK is only 12 ft/lbs so I would be quite happy with the 11 ft/lbs you mention, as I've been told it's shooting at about 8 ft/lbs using Milbro Caledonians and Crosman Acupells (no idea of weights, but the Milbro are domed and the Crosmans are pointed). So it seems that some work is needed to improve things.

Thanks BB-I'm going to try JSB Exact you suggested which are sold here under the Daystate name. Apparently some political/marketing situation only allows the pellet to be sold to clubs under the JSB name and not through stores.

Regards Ian

 
At December 08, 2005 12:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Can you explain trigger pull and how the number of pounds is come to? I've seen different guns listed as low as 2lbs and as high as 12lbs, but it doesn't mean anything to me. Any reply would be greatly appreciated.

Matt

 
At December 08, 2005 1:00 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Ian,

I wrote an article years ago about my 35, so I had the pictures and some performance data.

As far as the rest of the research, I use the Blue Book of Airguns, 5th Edition. I use it 24/7, because I'm always writing or answering questions.

B.B.

 
At December 08, 2005 1:01 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Matt,

I will answer your trigger pull weight question in next week's bolg.

Thanks,

B.B.

 
At November 22, 2007 8:45 PM, Anonymous Jacksonville Web Design said...

Where is the serial number located on a Diana Model 35, and is there a list that can tell me what year the gun was made?
Thank you,
Jim Summer

 
At November 23, 2007 6:50 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jim,

Your Diana 35 may not have a serial number. My model 27 made for Hy Score doesn't have one.

The month and year of manufacture are stamped in the metal on the left side of the spring tube, above the trigger. On some guns you have to remove the action from the stock to see it and the print is very small.

B.B.

 
At November 23, 2007 9:50 AM, Anonymous Jacksonville Web Design said...

Thanks a lot B.B. I will check it out. I am able to see (above the trigger) "Made in Germany" stamped in tiny print. Thanks for the info!
--
Jim Summer

 
At May 23, 2008 10:56 AM, Blogger manish_r_karnik said...

Dear B.B.

Last week I got myself an April 1968 Diana 35 in .177 for an Indian equivalent of US $ 300. Its complete with a scope rail and red recoil pad you mention in the blog.

Its in fine working condition and shoots well.

Because of its vintage I want to know how often can I shoot with it ?

Would it be possible for you to do a more detailed review of this fine classic ?

Thanks

Manish

Mumbai, India.

 
At May 23, 2008 11:23 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Manish,

Sure, I can do a more detailed review of the Diana 35.

You can shoot your rifle a lot, if you like. The mainspring can always be replaced and the leather piston seal will hold up for many decades, if you keep it oiled.

Drop 5-10 drops of pure silicone oil down the transfer port (the hole behind the breech when the barrel is broken open. If you can't find pure silicone oil (a dive shop would have it) then you can use petroleum oil. It will bang and smoke a little, but that was what we used in that rifle when it was new.

I'm scheduling the Diana 35 for next week for you.

B.B.

 
At May 25, 2008 7:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Guys, Im new to this blog, my name is Graham. I have a Winchester 435 that was given to me by my grandfather about ten years ago. ive been looking all over the place but cant seem to get an idea as to the value of the gun. it is in near perfect shape with a nice 3-9x32 scope on it. any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks Much... Graham

 
At May 26, 2008 8:30 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Graham,

As you are aware, your Winchester 435 is a Diana 35. In excellent condition the Blue Book says it's worth $225, but I think $250 is closer to the truth. The scope adds little to the value, and if the mount has scratched the rifle's base, it detracts.

B.B.

 
At May 26, 2008 10:31 AM, Anonymous Graham said...

Thanks B.B. I appreciate the quick response. I think i will be selling it so if anyone is interested please let me know. you can e-mail me at gdspeedster@gmail.com. thanks for all the help guys.

 

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