Monday, May 08, 2006

Crosman 600 semiauto pistol

by B.B. Pelletier

Before we start, an alert reader has a report on the Gamo Rocket pellet.

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I've found the Rockets to be a tad better than B.B. did - basically the same results but with one big difference.

SAFETY WARNING!!!

When shooting them at 20m at a hardwood backstop tilted about 10 degrees one of them rebounded and hit my leg. It wasn't travelling very fast and I assumed it was a fluke. Then it happened again, and again and once it came back with a air amount of oomph!

Upon inspection of the rebounded pellet, it was only the lead portion and not the BB. Apparently the hard BB rebounds and transfers the energy cleanly to the lead since it travels back on almost the exact same vector from which it was fired.

If a rebounded pellet can cause a slight eye injury risk at 20m once every 10-20 shots then the risk at 10m is very significant. A hunting shot at 10m is not uncommon. Even if there isn't a clean surface to create a perfect rebound, the BB presents a major ricochet risk when fired at high velocities.

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Now, for the Crosman 600.

If there was ever a classic air pistol, the Crosman 600 is it! It's the gun others are compared to. Reader Schten Dohkji mentioned that we had no 600 pictures in the blog, and I was surprised to learn I had never reviewed it!


A nice early Crosman 600 in a "rocket box."


Early autoloader!
Crosman's 600 first hit the streets in 1960. That was the time when Crosman powerlets had a bottle-cap seal that leaked, so CO2 guns weren't well-received. But the 600 lasted through those times and into the era when reliable powerlets came along. It was a true semiauto, where each pull of the trigger fired the gun. It held 10 .22 caliber pellets in line on the left side of the action in a built-in magazine. Linear mags have a reputation for poor feeding, but as long as you used domed pellets or wadcutters, the 600 fed well most of the time.

Lightning fast!
The 600 has a feed arm that moves to the left so the next pellet can be shoved in, then back to the right in line with the barrel. A bolt probe then jumps forward, stuffing the pellet into the breech. All this happens super-quick. If the gun ever goes full-auto (shooting all pellets as long as the trigger is held down), it dumps all 10 shots so fast that it sounds like one loud shot! I'm guessing the cyclic rate is close to 2000 rpm! And, going full-auto was one of the 600's little quirks. In fact, people used to modify it to do that until they realized that it didn't sound like a machine gun at all - just a loud air pistol, because they couldn't distinguish the individual shots firing.

Not powerful
The stock 600 gets about 350 f.p.s. with medium-weight pellets. It's also a gas hog, getting only about 30-33 shots per powerlet. The rest of the gas has to operate the mechanism. Once a 600 is tuned by either Dave Gunter (503-556-1439) or Mac-1 (310-327-3581), it can get well into the 450 f.p.s. range - and Gunter gets over 40 shots per powerlet with his tune. A lot of folks attach bulk CO2 tanks and long barrels to shoot hundreds of shots at 500+ f.p.s.


The flip side.


Excellent trigger and great accuracy!
The trigger is very light and almost crisp. The little mushiness is hardly noticeable, since almost everyone shoots the gun as fast as possible. If you take your time, a 600 can be very accurate. Crosman really knew how to rifle a barrel, and they put the very best into this pistol. It's as accurate as a Crosman Mark I.

In demand!
A used 600 will bring $225 in shooting condition and $275 in excellent condition in the box. They shoot so well that they are in demand. When the UK relaxed their laws against CO2 guns years ago, the Brits went crazy importing the 600. For a while, you couldn't buy one for less than $350 in any condition. Those days are over, but don't expect to get a cheap one unless you get lucky.

31 Comments:

At May 08, 2006 9:44 PM, Blogger sav300 said...

BB,
I read the notice the reader posted and decided to try them. I too, found them to bounce back although none of them hit me. I advise that people choose other pellets for more shock and penitration. The Gamos really are not neccesary. What are they doing that other pellets don't? JSB has a fine pellet that delivers what Gamo claims to do and that the Predator. I have decked rabbits out to 50 yds with them. Speaking of that, it would be apriciated if you tried a report on them BB.
sav300

 
At May 09, 2006 7:00 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

sav300,

I did a report on the comparative penetration of the Predator on Sep 28.

B.B.

 
At May 09, 2006 10:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sav300
Tom Gaylord did a good artical as well. http://www.predatorpellets.com/article01.htm

 
At May 09, 2006 11:37 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

sav300,

Thanks for that link. That article is more in-depth than the one I did. It appears that just a small increase in velocity makes big difference in performance!

B.B.

 
At May 09, 2006 6:53 PM, Blogger sav300 said...

BB,
What do you know about a b-22 with maccari internals? Just wonderin' cause I found one on the american airgun website. That thing looks sweet.
sav300

 
At May 09, 2006 11:24 PM, Anonymous DS said...

I'VE OWNED 2 OF THESE PISTOLS.
IN THE MID SEVENTIES I SOLD THEM TO A FRIEND FOR $10.
HE HAD BOTH GUNS REBUILT AND BROUGHT BACK TO GOOD SHOOTING ORDER. A FEW MONTHS AGO I WAS TALKING TO MY FRIEND AND MENTIONED I HAD BEEN ENJOYING SHOOTING PELLET GUNS. MY FRIND TOLD ME HE DIDN'T SHOOT THOSE PELLET PISTOLS ANY MORE AND WANTED TO GIVE THEM TO ME. I DON' SEE THIS FRIEND MUCH ANYMORE, HE LIVES FURTHER AWAY BUT I HOPE HE KEEPS HIS PROMIS ABOUT THOSE 600 PISTOLS.

 
At May 10, 2006 7:15 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

sav300,

I have tested the B20 but not the B22. The B20 is a nice looking Chinese gun, but not as accurate as a Spanish rifle, in my opinion. Maccari internals could only help a spring gun.

B.B.

 
At May 10, 2006 5:49 PM, Blogger sav300 said...

BB,
It doesn't look bad, but I just thought I'd mention it. Just out of curiosity did my blog about my pellets go through? I could of swore that I mentioned them.

 
At May 11, 2006 6:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

sav300,

Your blog about your pellets? Can you elaborate?

B.B.

 
At May 11, 2006 5:42 PM, Blogger sav300 said...

BB,
about my homemade pellets. I thought I put that in there. Mabe I didn't send it. Let me know if I did, if not well it wasn't that important.

 
At May 13, 2006 8:09 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

Hi My Name Is Tony, Where can I send my Crossman 600 for repairs. It leaks air and it wont even load or fire. I live in Palm Beach Shores , Florida and is their a service center in this area.

 
At May 14, 2006 8:35 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Tony,

I don't know of any repair centers in your area.

Contact Rick Willnecker at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481.

B.B.

 
At October 26, 2006 1:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi

Your blog on the Crosman 600 was very information. Hopefully, I'm not violating any taboos and if I do, I apologize. I have a 600 listed on bbairguns.com. Kay

 
At July 06, 2007 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm having problems with my Crosman 600. I bought it used from a guy. And it's not loading properly or firing very well. Is there a website that can help me fix my problem?
Thanks,
Stuwy

 
At July 06, 2007 6:47 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Stuwy,

There must be a forum for 600s. Whay not begin with the Crosman Airgun Forum?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/278474/

B.B.

 
At July 02, 2008 7:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I'm a home inspector and a guy recently GAVE me a mint 600. I'm into sport shooting and was wondering what are the best pellets for it, and what is the max/min CO2 load I can use with it stock.

Thanks,
One Lucky S.O.B.

 
At July 03, 2008 5:46 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lucky,

You are indeed fortunate.

Flat-nosed pellets from Crosman feed well in a 600, as do Crosman Premiers.

There is no min/max "load" for a CO2 gun. CO2 maintains its pressure, according to the temperature, so 12 grams or 2,000 pounds will be at exactly the same pressure.

B.B.

 
At December 01, 2008 11:47 AM, Blogger VLF said...

Hi I have one of these - i put it on ebay and they removed it "Firearms Prohibited" do you know where the best place I could sell this at online would be? Here is a link I thought about just selling the box?
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http:/photobucket.com/VLF
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or u can email at lynfreelon@msn.com. Any help would be great, i am down sizing need to part with ths.
Lyn

 
At December 01, 2008 12:41 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Lyn,

Here is the best place to list your pistol:

http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/classifieds.php

B.B.

 
At December 10, 2008 1:57 PM, Blogger Geeze said...

I put a RJ Machine 12" barrel om my 600 and gained about 100 fps. It's nice because I can still put it back to stock.

 
At December 10, 2008 2:02 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Geeze,

Isn't it nice how a longer barrel speeds up a CO2 gun?

B.B.

 
At June 12, 2009 10:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi i have a crosman 600 semi automatic pellet gun for sale in the original box. It comes in near mint condition, and appears to work great. If anyone is interested in purchasing it, I am asking $225 plus shipping my email address is myaniga1@hotmail.com

I can send pics

 
At June 13, 2009 6:11 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Here is the best place to sell your 600:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/

B.B.

 
At October 12, 2009 11:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was going through some stuff in the basement of my father-in-law's house and found a Crosman 600. He told me to bring it home. It's in the original box but the box is in pretty bad shape. The manuel was in the box but it's in bad shape. Does anybody know where I can find a new one. Thanks JEM.

 
At October 12, 2009 11:48 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

JEM,

The owner's manual for a Crosman 600 is on the Crosman website and it downloadable:

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/service/manuals/crosman-pistols

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2009 7:15 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.,

I recently picked up another 600 in very good condition, box & all, & I noticed something different with it than any of the other 600's I've had.

This one is the second variant where the CO2 goes in tip fist & the cap has a hole in it so you can see the bottom of the cart.

I have all three variants except the Sears one, & this is the only one I've seen (including my other 2nd variant I have), that has a screw on the bottom of the CO2 tube, & the markings on the right side are reversed from the others too.

Can you tell me what this says about the gun?



TheBBA

 
At December 12, 2009 9:34 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

I believe that is the earliest variation, and should either be in a Rocket box or a red and black box. The CO2 tube on that one is separate from the frame, unlike the later guns.

B.B.

 
At December 16, 2009 6:26 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.,

It's in a Rocket box.

I'm surprised that they did this on the second variation & not on the first, & then turned around & switched back to the other frame style.
Makes me wonder if they were trying something different, but didn't like it, so they switched back to their previous way of doing it?
I'm guessing either there was a problem, or it was just an easier &/or cheaper or faster way of manufacturing, with the one piece style.

Any way you slice it, I still find it an amazing gun, & will never forget what you told me when I was just getting into collecting & first asked you about them.

Do you remember?

You said;

"Once you get one, you'll find out what everyone else knows... The 600 is the best pistol Crosman ever made."

You were right! :)


It's kind of funny, because when my last girlfriend was giving me a rough time about all my airguns when I was showing her the first 600 I ever got... I told her "There's one important thing that you should know.... It was here before you, & it WILL be here AFTER you!"

Fortunately, not only was I right, but I now have four more, as well as an LD & a carbine version too! ;)



TheBBA

 
At April 17, 2010 7:27 PM, Blogger Jim said...

I have a crosman 600 that don't work.
Would like to find someone in Eastern Ohio that repairs them, or maybe sell it.
jlr2519@gmail.com

 
At April 18, 2010 5:00 PM, Blogger FRED said...

Jim,

you have posted to a blog that is 4 years old. Only a handful of us monitor these old blogs. For the most current blog and to get the greatest exposure, go to:

www.pyramydair.com/blog

As for someone nearby to fix your 600, try:

John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
http://www.jgairguns.biz

He seems to be the closest to you.

Fred PRoNJ

 
At April 26, 2010 4:49 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

Jim,

I agree with Fred on BOTH points.

I can speak from personal experience that John is a great guy & does great work!


BBA

 

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