Thursday, February 15, 2007

Haenel 310 lead ball shooter

by B.B. Pelletier


Haenel 310 is a small bolt-action springer with great close-range accuracy.


Here's one I bet many of you have never seen. The Haenel 310 round ball rifle is a bolt-action, spring-piston rifle that shoots 4.4mm round lead balls. The design dates back to 1933, when Schmeisser built the first one. Haenel and Anschütz sold the identical models, with Anschütz most likely contracting with Haenel to make their model 275. These guns resemble some smoothbore guns made by Mars that really shoot steel BBs, but both the Haenel 310 and the Anschütz 275 are rifles.

Not for kids!
The size is deceptive, because at just over 41" long and 6 lbs. total weight, the 310 seems to be a youth model. There are also tons of photos showing Hitler Youth learning marksmanship basics with easier-cocking Mars guns. But, the cocking effort of the 310 is in the 20-lb. range, and there's not much of a handle to grab onto, so this is an adult rifle - or at least one for older teenagers.

Action
The rifle is a bolt-action with some very interesting characteristics. The bolt pivots up without resistance. When it's pulled back in a rocking motion, it compresses a small but powerful mainspring. That V-shaped protrusion hanging down beneath the stock hides the fulcrum of the bolt/lever.


Looking down on the bolt, you can see how it swings up to become a long lever that rocks backward to cock the spring.


Other than the strange method of cocking, the 310 is a conventional BB gun powerplant - and having said that, I suddenly realize that I have never explained that to you. So, there's tomorrow's posting! It gets just over 400 f.p.s. with the 4.4mm lead balls that weigh a very uniform 7.6 grains. That makes it a real magnum among BB guns - especially when the rifling is considered, because engraving the lead takes energy.


Six-shot mag on left fits nearly flush with the stock. The 12-shot at right is less dependable.


It's also a repeater! It's difficult to see in the photo, but underneath the stock below the rear sight is a 6-shot magazine. A 12-shot was also available, but feeding wasn't as reliable. The mags were a pain to load (one ball at a time - no speedloaders), and they emptied fast because the little rifle is a delight to shoot.

Like all old BB guns, these rifles need lots of oil to keep the leather seals fresh and pliable. Often, you can get a bargain if the owner thinks the gun has lost its power. All it usually needs is a good soaking of petroleum oil to get it shooting like new.

Accuracy
At 5 meters (16.4 feet), this rifle is just as accurate as Daisy's Avanti Champion 499, which has been called the world's most accurate BB gun. Of course, the 310 is a rifle and therefore barred from BB gun competition, but shooting as well as a 499 is an accomplishment. Imagine shooting 6 shots into a group the same size as the diameter of a thin ballpoint pen!

Available by the truckload!
When East Germany fell, surplus buyers went in and found bargains galore. These rifles were found at the Stasi (secret police) headquarters and sold through a U.S. pawn shop. They sold the 310 for $49, then $59. I bought several guns from them, plus a lifetime supply of lead balls and extra magazines. Today, the supply has dried up, and 310s go for $150-200 at airgun shows. Some were in good condition, while others were pretty well used. Have you ever heard the stories about World War II Harley Davidsons new in the crate going for $400? Well, I never found any of those, but this find was equivalent to that for about two years. There were other models as well, such as the 311 and 312 pellet rifles that are both target guns. The 311s were $79 and the 312s were $99, as I recall. Both bring around $200 today.

The Anschütz 275 has always commanded a premium over the Haenel - kind of like the Dianas made with the Winchester name on them. I see 275s selling for around $300 these days. But if you're patient, you will be able to find either airgun. Target shooters will enjoy them.

30 Comments:

At February 15, 2007 8:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB- After reading yesterday's posts I think one thing PCP air gun manufacturers need to catch onto is why some of us choose airguns to hunt with. We could get the job done with a .22 or a shotgun (for less money in many instances) but we like airguns because they are quiet. We read about the Brit hunters with their "whisper quiet" airguns and frankly, we're jealous. Granted they are "stuck" with 12 ft/lbs. but they take plenty of game and they get 80-110 shots per fill. What some of us would like would be a "1" for loudness but still have plenty of power to kill humanely. I know Air Force has dial in power but I like the set-up on your JW75 with the removeable port restrictors. Add a legal suppressor and they'd sell like hotcakes to the hunters. For target practice and close in work - lower the power and get plenty of shots per fill. Need to bag something humanely at 50+ yards? Remove the transfer port limiter and let 'er fly. Now that is what I'd like to see in a PCP!

 
At February 15, 2007 9:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

How I can oiled the leather seals in the Haenel model 310?

Joe66

 
At February 15, 2007 9:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

Forgot to also ask, Is the Haenel model 49a the same gun as the haenel model 310?

Joe66

 
At February 15, 2007 9:55 AM, Blogger mr-lama said...

Quieter pcps,

Have you seen any of my posts about shrouds for the airforce rifles? My condor has a shroud (completely legal). It went from sounding like a small cannon, to almost completely silent. The pellet hitting the target is actually mcuh louder than the gun going off. They are aftermarket parts, but not hard to get ahold of. They are great additions to them.

 
At February 15, 2007 10:04 AM, Anonymous Bill said...

Mr-Lama,

Legal shrouds for condors? No, haven't seen your blogs but would like to (hopefully w/o digging through a ton of posts?).

 
At February 15, 2007 10:15 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Oil the 310 by standing it on its butt in the corner and dropping the oil down the muzzle. Let it stand a couple of hours before you shoot again.

I'm not familiar with the model 49a. Does it look similar?

B.B.

 
At February 15, 2007 11:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

Thank you for your advise on Oiling the seal. Is there a particular oil you recommend?

As for the Haenel Model 49a, it looks just like your Hanel 310 picture, except the one I saw has a laminated wood stock. It uses the same magazine as the 310. It shoots 4.4mm BB. I do not know if there is any internal differences.

You can find it in the Blue book of Airguns.

Joe66

 
At February 15, 2007 11:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Lama-
Can you direct us to those posts? Thanks, everyone on this blog is really helpful!

 
At February 15, 2007 1:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.,
I hate to bother you about technical questons, especially after yesterdays blog, but I'm having a hard time getting hold of Pyramid Air by phone-perhaps they got a new phone service. I continually leave messages, but no-one calls back. Oh well.

My questions is about the Big Bore 909. I order the "S" model a year or so ago, and it was backordered until like November, when they got a shipment of the orginal 909 instock. I was tired of waiting and took their offer for the older gun. I have the hand pump, the proper adaptors, and the probe. Problem-the probe doesn't fit properly. I did see that they offered different rings for the probe if the gun was made before 2005 or something. I ordered them, put them on, and I had the same problem. Now I have $1000 wrapped up in a gun I can't use! Is there a special lubricant for the rings to make them fit (?) or does Pyramid offer something that will fit my 909. I'm getting frustrated, obviously and you are my last hope.

I look forward to your reply

Jimmy K
hokulea14@aol.com

 
At February 15, 2007 2:27 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Joe66,

Use 3-in-1 or any other household oil.

The 49a sounds like an offshoot of the 310, but one I have no familiarity with.

B.B.

 
At February 15, 2007 2:39 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

JimmyK,

I'm on it! I will contact Pyramyd Air directly for you. They should email you and the two of you can go from there.

Please let me know when this problem is fixed.

B.B.

 
At February 15, 2007 3:10 PM, Blogger Shaffer78 said...

I remember hearing about those crated Harley-Davidsons lol. There was a time no one wanted a Harley in the late 60's and 70's unless you were a motorcycle cop or an outlaw. They went from having no competition to an explosion of lighter more manuverable foreign imports and no willingness to change with the times.
If I remember from the History Channel right, in desert climates the sand ate up chains. The German BMWs with their shaft drive proved to be less maintenance intensive.

 
At February 15, 2007 4:28 PM, Blogger mr-lama said...

Bill and anyone who wants to know about airforce shrouds,

I can't remember exactly where I put those so I'll put another sum up here.

The shrouds for a condor or normal talon work just like the shroud on the talon SS, they make it so the air coming out of the end is at a lower pressure. Some of them are better than that, they have baffles that further quiten it down.

Where to get them: If you want to get the best of the best, airhog makes them, as does anthony (www.talontunes.com) They are the more expensive, but are prebaffled and extremely quiet. Send one of them and email and ask them about a shroud. A cheaper alternative is a frame extendor. (www.frameextender.com) They aren't baffled, but will still make even a condor much quieter.

In my opinion the best resource for everything airforce is talonownersgroup.com Most of the people there are very knowledgable about modifications to the airforce airguns.

Airforce's guns are the ar-15 of the airgun world, you can modify them a ton. My condor has a .25 barrel, custom grip, custom bipod and mount, trigger mod, polished insides, along with others.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/mr-lama/128-2810_IMG.jpg

Great guns, I highly reccomend them to anyone. I love my condor, stock, it's very loud. After some modifications, it's very quiet. Mines quieter than my remington genesis. With TONS more power.

Any more questions just ask.

lama

 
At February 15, 2007 4:37 PM, Blogger dm20 said...

a baffeled shroud? that sounds like a supressor to me! are they really useless on a powderburner? i really want a suppressor, just for the idea of having an incredibly quiet projectile launcher.
unfourtunately, canada has an outright ban on them, and airguns are considered firearms. oh, those soccer moms.

 
At February 15, 2007 5:13 PM, Blogger mr-lama said...

Aw man, sorry to hear that. I know cops, and they say that my baffled shroud is completely legal. I think the way it's made will be destroyed by the blast from a firearm. I'm not sure though. It's mounted like the little endcap in the condor, just in there and set with a setscrew. It would be really hard to even put it on a normal firearm.

If you can get a condor, and still want a suppresor, check out the frame extenders. All they are is a tube with a specially made endcap. Canada allows black hollow tubes right? :D

 
At February 15, 2007 9:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

To continue the condor tophat adjustment discussion, It's a stock 24" .22. I only shoot kodiak from it. My power setting is always 8.1 and fill pressure 2400 psi. I get 13 shots average at 1050 fps, extreme spread of 13 fps and standard deviation of 5.2 fps. Since that's at sound of the speed, I want to slow it down to around 850~900 fps and hopefully get about 40~50 shots with small Standard deviation. Thanks in advance for your help.

 
At February 15, 2007 9:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr.Lama-
Everyone wants a quiet hunting rifle. You are the man! Air Force and (maybe Falcon)understand that we want what the Brits freely enjoy!

 
At February 15, 2007 10:00 PM, Blogger dm20 said...

you will laugh at this, i'm sure- HOLLOW TUBES ARE ILLEGAL. our soccer mom society is really staring to get to me.
i'm referring to blowguns, of course, but really they are just tubes. our definition is any weapon using the human breath to propel a projectile. that makes the shroud legal, but for the sake of "OMG SILENCER! MEDIA COVERAGE!!", i'm forced to not own anything that even looks intimidating. and i have my sights set on the airarms s200 in target form, so fitting it would nto be fun. i envy you, america, with your sensible gun laws and concealed carry permits. and people still praise canada. my, my.

 
At February 15, 2007 10:01 PM, Blogger mr-lama said...

Well, airforce knida gets it. With the talon SS they have it. For the condor, the shrouds are aftermarket.

Mine was custom made by another guy. He doesn't do them anymore so I didn't bother posting him. It's extremely quiet. All you get is the sound of the hammer, a small woosh of air, and the impact of the pellet. You can barely hear the air. They hammer is louder but not loud at all. And the impact of the pellet is the loudest part. How loud depends on what you shoot. The gun is so quiet that at 50 yards I can hear the pellet hitting the squirrel. Awesome stuff.

Glad I could help. :D

 
At February 15, 2007 10:08 PM, Blogger dm20 said...

even the brits, i've learned, have it bad- they only have five slots for anything more than 12 foot pounds, and their silencers take up a slot! thats two suppressed rifles, and one shotgun slot. sadly enough, hollow black tubes are illegal. not mounted on a condor, no, but if i were to stuff a cotton ball in it, and blow into it, bang, felony.
i'm not getting a condor, although i do have my sights set on the target version of the airarms s200. it might not have teh condor's power, but the accuracy is there, and the trigger, as i hear, is top-notch with some fiddling. and for the same price, i'm set. it will be a while, with minimum wage and a car to pay for, but it'll be worth the wait. maybe there'll be a shroud for it when i have the moolah to order it?

 
At February 16, 2007 7:31 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

tophat,

Okay, now we can talk. You are only filling to 2400. Is your gauge an A-rated or C-rated one? In other words, why should we believe that a 2400 reading is actually 2400? If you are using the AirForce gauge, it's a C-rated gauge and you cannot trust it to be closer than 200 psi, though they are usually within 100 psi. That's true for all the gauges sold with PCPs these days - even the ones on the $2,500 10-meter guns.

You should fill to 2700, unless past testing proves you can't do it and maintain the power curve. You are loosing half your shots by only filling to 2400. So that's where all your high-power shots have gone.

You want to shoot Kodiaks at 850-900 f.p.s. That's a good speed for them. Try this. Adjust the tophat back to 0.050" and shoot at your 8.1 power setting. If that gives you the velocity you want, adjust out (larger gap) until you start to increase velocity. My experience tells me you won't be able to adjust even one thousandth before the velocity climbs.

If that's the case, dial the power wheel back to 4 and work from there. Open the tophat gap until you are in the zone, then lock it down.

Whenever you torque the two Allen screws on the tophat, you dimple the valve stem deeply, so do not cinch things down until you are satisfied.

It's MUCH easier to do what you want by using a Talon SS powerplant and working up, rather than working back with a Condor plant. So, if you get frustrated by this, you might consider buying a standard tank and having your Condor converted to a Talon SS. The 24-inch barrel gives you all the power you need to do what you want to do.

Do not forget to rotate the bolt handle into a locking notch before you take each shot. Failure to do so will result in velocity variations.

B.B.

 
At February 16, 2007 3:47 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jimmy K,

Pyramyd Air has been trying to contact you by email, but your messages keep bouncing back. Did you give the correct email address?

Gabe at Pyramyd Air wants to talk to you. He says you have the correct filler probe but there are a number of things you need to know abo0ut it.

Please send your email address again.

B.B.

 
At February 17, 2007 8:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.
My email address is hokulea14@aol.com or
jkociuba@darcymotors.com

Either will work. They did try to call yesterday, but when I called them back-same thing, had to leave a message.

Jimmy K.

 
At February 17, 2007 9:15 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

JimmyK,

Please hang in there. They are trying to get to you.

B.B.

 
At February 26, 2007 11:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding calling pyramidair: I called them once and a rather irritated woman picked up the call and told me that pyramidair had changed their number years ago! After apologizing, I hung up and checked the number. Yea, I called the wrong number! And I used to work for the phone company (long story). When I have called Pyramidair, they have always picked up and been very helpful.
Michael in Georgia

 
At February 26, 2007 2:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They've always been fine with me, but just recently I haven't been able to get a hold of them. I'm still waiting for some communication from them on my problem...

Jimmy K

 
At November 13, 2009 3:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

About the Haenel 49a:

The 49a was somewhat the predecessor of the 310.
Most remarkable difference is the safety which on the 49a very much resembles the safety of the Mauser K98k ( "Flügelsicherung") whereas the 310 comes with a push&pull safety.
They have a little differencies in measurements and power but it's marginal.

The thing about the 49a system is, it's a good system to fit in a Mauser carbine stock.
Also it's the rarer model.
Prices for 49a models in good conditions go up to EUR 200.

Same thing for the Anschütz 275.
This baby has become really rare.

cheers
Michael

 
At November 13, 2009 3:30 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Michael,

What ammunition do you use? I have been using some copper-plated punktkugeln from SK for many years. But with this rifle I got a few tins of lead balls from someone named Schoenebeck (can't write an umlaut in Blogger) on the Elbe. And I also got a large container of balls without a name that are the fastesy in this current gun.

What do you shoot?

B.B.

 
At November 13, 2009 6:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi B.B.

The Haenel 4,4 mm air rifles are quite delicate when it comes to the ammo.
Not every 4,4mm ball seems to fit the 310's "taste".

There are fading stocks of original GDR produced "Punktkugeln" by the "VEB Sprengstoffwerk Schönebeck" you mentioned
but there are also new fabricates out there that seem to live up to the originals.

http://www.waffencenter-gotha.de/shop/images/product_images/popup_images/1227_0.JPG

Note the "Nr.9" print.
That's b/c there are some sorts of 4,4mm around.

Also, many owners reported problems with copper plated balls and their Haenels (33,49,49a,310,410).
So to be on the safe side, use pure lead balls.

For the moment I'm still equipped with original Schönebeck balls.
But when this is over I'll try the InnoMar line.

Do you by any chance happen to know if the mainspring of your 310 was replaced since it got shipped to the US ?
If not I suggest it's hightime to do so including the leather piston seal. It's almost 20 years since back then :)

 
At November 14, 2009 2:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...additionally - as I have seen an AirGun Reporter show about the H&N pellets (spitzzzzkooogeln xD) - I remember having seen "Nr. 9" 4,4 mm lead balls made by H&N also at a local gun shop.

So I think they should be worth a try.

cheers
Michael from Erfurt/Thuringia, Germany

 

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