Wednesday, December 12, 2007

The Benjamin Sheridan Super Streak - Part 2

by B.B. Pelletier

Part 1

First, I must apologize for misrepresenting the scope on this rifle in the last report. Michael in Florida pointed out that his CenterPoint 4-16x40 adjusted for parallax on the objective lens, so I examined the test rifle (obviously for the first time) and it did, too! The knob on the left side of the scope turret is a rheostat to adjust the intensity of the red- and green-illuminated reticle. There are five levels of intensity, and the reticle is not etched on glass.

Next, I tested the barrel for a choke for Sumo. There is no choke.

Today, we'll look at velocity for the .177-caliber Benjamin Super Streak, which as far as I know is the first objective evaluation of this model. I didn't clean the barrel before testing because I did so back in October when I tested the rifle the first time. That was a test I didn't report, but the data are gone, so this new test is warranted.

Cocking
The Super Streak is a large rifle, and the barrel measures 22-7/16" including the integral muzzlebrake/cocking aid. I have a 6' armspan, but this rifle is a little too long for me to cock comfortably. All that means is that the 35 lbs. of cocking effort, which should be really easy, seems like more to me. Some of you might be inclined to grab the barrel lower down, but that only increases the effort you have to apply. This rifle will seem right to shooters of large stature.

The mainspring sounds dry and crunchy when cocked, so it could stand some lubrication. If this were my rifle, I would lube the mainspring with black tar - what Jim Maccari calls velocity tar. There is enough power on tap that you won't miss the 20 f.p.s. loss that might entail.

The trigger is vintage Gamo from the 1990s - which is to say a long and creepy second-stage pull. I can't say if an aftermarket trigger would fit this model; but if it would, it would be something to do. The anti-beartrap mechanism prevents decocking the rifle, but the safety is not automatic. I like that better than an automatic safety, but remember that every time you cock the rifle, you must fire it.

The firing behavior reflects the dry mainspring. It's buzzy, but the light, pleasant kind and not painful in the least. Lubricating the spring as described would take care of that, too.

Velocity!
I began with Crosman Premier 7.9-grain pellets (remember, this test gun is a .177). They ranged from a low of 942 to a high of 1040, with an average velocity of 994 f.p.s. with all shots included in the string. This pellet was the only one with a large velocity spread, so I have no complaints. At the average velocity, the power output at the muzzle is 17.34 foot-pounds.

JSB Exact 8.4-grain pellets were next. They ranged from a low of 1006 to a high of 1021, a spread of only 15 f.p.s.! That is remarkable in any spring gun and especially in one with this much power on tap. The average velocity was 1014 f.p.s., which computes to an energy of 19.18 foot-pounds. That's the kind of power I was expecting from this rifle.

The third pellet I tested was the Crosman Premier 10.5-grain "heavy." It ranged from 921 to 929 - a spread of just 8 f.p.s. People pay good money for aftermarket tunes that can't do that. The average velocity was 927 f.p.s. That's a muzzle energy of 20.04 foot-pounds. This disproves the common belief that heavy pellets don't work in spring-piston guns. The few other times I've seen a reversal like this (where a heavy pellet produced greater energy than a light pellet), the piston was on the heavy side. We'll see how the 10.5-grain pellet does on the accuracy test.

The final pellet tested was the Gamo Raptor PBA pellet. I tested it just so we would all know how fast this gun can shoot, but this time the Raptors surprised me! They ranged from 1313 to 1323, a total range of 10 f.p.s. By now, you know how good that is, and it's way beyond my expectations. Of course, there was a supersonic crack, compounded by the fact that the test was conducted indoors. The average velocity was 1319 f.p.s., for a muzzle energy of 19.32 - which is not bad for Raptors!

So what we have here is a 19-20 foot-pound airgun in .177 caliber, with every indication that in .22 it's really going to excel. I think the RWS Diana 350 Magnum, which produces over 24 foot-pounds, may be challenged. The Gamo Hunter Extreme isn't offered in .22 yet, so that leaves the field wide open for this rifle. Only the Webley Patriot has more power in a conventional spring rifle.

77 Comments:

At December 12, 2007 5:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much $$$$??? Merry Christmas to you and yours Tom. From SAVAGESAM

 
At December 12, 2007 6:09 AM, Anonymous Vince said...

"The Gamo Hunter Extreme isn't offered in .22 YET".... do you know something we don't know?

Just curious - does this gun have an articulated (2 piece) cocking link?

 
At December 12, 2007 6:21 AM, Blogger JoeG said...

Hia BB,
This rifle is sounding intresting so far.

So with Crosman Silver Eagle pellets it might get closer to the stated velocity. I have tested and used those in my low powered pumps and co2's and the where always a good margin faster then the Gamo Raptor. Less money also.

Not that I would use them in this gun, Just thinking thats where Crosman/Benjamin might have come up with the FPS.

Thank you as always
JoeG from Jersey

 
At December 12, 2007 6:25 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

SAVAGESAM,

Links to the products mentioned are embedded in every report. Click on the Super Streak link and it takes you to the web page where it is advertised.

The blue gun is $299.99 and the nickel is $309.99

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 6:28 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Vince,

I don't know anything, but if Gamo doesn't offer the Hunter Extreme in .22 they are giving away a large slice of the market. Being European, they are slow to recognize things like that, but let's see what happens.

The Benjamin Super Streak does have an articulated two-piece cocking link.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 6:30 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jersey Joe,

Crosman Eagles it is. I haven't tried them yet because I can't find them locally, but now I have a reason to order some.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 7:41 AM, Anonymous sumo said...

BB,

10 fps spread. thats very good..... suspiciously good. LOL

-sumo

 
At December 12, 2007 11:56 AM, Blogger bc1328 said...

So, are you going to lube the main spring and give some feedback?

Thanks,
Brad

 
At December 12, 2007 12:51 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Brad,

No, I don't plan to. I'm going to continue shooting the gun like it came.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 12:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wasn't the gamo EXTREME in its former name available in both .177 AND .22 ?

 
At December 12, 2007 1:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i just received my RWS 350 ( i love it). But seeing the Super Streak images and having seen the Extreme...all of these are really nice looking guns. None appear cheap or toyish.

B.B. does the Super Streak seem like a quality built/crafted airgun? something that has been on my mind just since it is made in China. I really felt the gamo was nice and my 350 is really a classic example of german work.

BTW- i enjoy your reviews. Thanks for the great info.

 
At December 12, 2007 1:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

I'm in the process of deciding on my first PCP.

With your help I've decided between scuba tank and pump, now I need to make my mind up on which gun to buy.

I've pretty much decided I'll be buying an AirForce rifle, however, I still need to rule out the only competitor.

Do you have experience with the Air Arms S200?

I'd be interested in the .22 version.

I like that it can be converted to multi shot, and the power lever is plenty for me. Even though I own an RWS 52 I do most of my hunting with my HW30S, a low power rifle almost identical to the R7.

My main concern is noise level. Is the S200 "neighbor friendly?"

Marc

 
At December 12, 2007 1:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

This is very interesting, but it only leaves two days for the big surprise(s), and unfortunately I'll be offline Friday. If that's when the big revelation will come that is too bad, but you'll have to give up the secret very soon. Heh, heh.

By the way, the two remaining unknowns from the discussion yesterday are Bill Jordan and Charlie Askins. With the names I got, the incomparable Wikipedia provided the rest. An all-around impressive crew although Ed McGiverns stood out. The real person is even more amazing than the book character.

How many rounds are fired off by a top level shooter--Olympics or field target--during a meaningful time interval--day, week, month--when they are in serious training?

Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 1:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

Yes, I'm very curious to hear your assessment of the S200.

Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 1:53 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I believe the Gamo Hunter 1250 was finally available in .22, so, yes, you are correct.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 1:55 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

350,

Of the three rifles, the Benjamin has the least flashy finish, but the stock is ahead of the 350 and the Hunter Extreme. So, yes, it is a close race. The Benjamin is priced lowest.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 2:03 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Marc,

I don't have experience with the Air Arms S200, but I have shot the American Tau 200 PCP conversions that were the inspiration for the gun. Knowing Air Arms, the quality is up where it should be.

The .22 would be a great gun IF the power were above 12 foot-pounds, but that limitation sort of paints it into a corner. You don't seem to mind a lower-powered airgun, though, so maybe the S200 is just what you want. Lord knows, the Brits hunt at that level and do very well.

As far as neighbor friendly, I think with a frame extension attached you aren't going to find a quieter PCP than the Talon SS, Talon or Condor (dialed to low power). The S200 will sound like a Blue Streak on 8 pumps, which is to say fairly loud.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 2:06 PM, Anonymous sumo said...

Marc,

i would guess that the s200 its neighbor friendly, because of the power and barrel length (JUST A GUESS). Why not get a talon ss? it sounds perfect for you. That may just be me because i cant stand PCPs under 20 foot pounds. I guess you want a repeater.

-sumo

 
At December 12, 2007 2:11 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Matt,

Ed McGivern is one of my heros, along with Meadowlark Lemmon. But sadly, Jerry Miculek has surpassed him for speed. I have watched videos of Jerry emptying a revolver and it sounds like a fast submachine gun!

A world-class air pistol shooter fires a full match a day (60 shots man, 40 shots woman) and at least five times that many dry-fires. That's 365 days a year. I've never been able to make the time for that kind of training, but when I shot a full match a day several years ago I raised my average score from 510 to 535 inside a month. It takes about a 575 to get to any world-class match, and winners have to be able to shoot 585 or better.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 3:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

All is not lost with Ed McGivern's records. Wikipedia reports that his Guinness World Record book feat still stands and that Jerry Miculek fell just short on this one. Or maybe you want to straighten them out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_McGivern

Even more than the speed, I was impressed with the accuracy. The entry reports McGivern throwing up a tin can and hitting it six times before it landed!?!? That means calculating the can's change of direction from each shot in addition to lining up on it. There's obviously no time for any kind of sight picture in these time intervals, so he must have been an instinct shooter extraordinaire.

Thanks for the info about the training regimen. I'm curious about the heavy proportion of dry fires versus actual shots. If they used ammo for all the shooting it would come out to less than $5.00, so expense can't be the problem, especially at this level. I can see how maybe dry firing allows you to work on technique, but wouldn't it be even more valuable to see if you're hitting anything?

What country is best at Olympic airgun shooting? I would guess the Europeans because of their history.

Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 3:31 PM, Blogger pestbgone said...

B.B.,
The fact that this gun produced a higher FPE with a heavier .177 pellet seems to bode well for the upcoming .22 cal tests.

I would think that manufacturers, and I imagine they all do this to some extent, can tune (optimize) a gun to achieve maximum FPE at one particular pellet weight just like engine builders can vary where the torque peak occurs in an engine’s RPM range, and also control how flat or “peaky” the torque curve is.

When a manufacturer offers a gun in 2 calibers do they generally leave the power plants identical for both calibers, in essence making a compromise for both?

Assuming that they left the spring identical in both calibers, couldn’t changing piston weight, spring preload, transfer port size, etc., be used to vary the particular pellet weight at which the gun delivered maximum energy? With .22 pellets being twice as heavy as .177, I’m surprised these dual caliber guns work as well as they do. In a way, I think this goes back to yesterday’s question of why someone would want interchangeable barrels.

I will be very interested to see what kind of FPE this gun gets in .22.

Thanks for any comments,
Pestbgone

 
At December 12, 2007 4:54 PM, Anonymous .22 multi-shot said...

The Mendoza RM-2800 also looks like it might compete with these (Super Streak, Hunter Extreme, 350). It is also lower cost, has a thumbhole and a 7 shot magazine!

.22 multi-shot

 
At December 12, 2007 5:16 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Matt,

The Russians are historically the best airgun competitors, followed by the Germans and other European countries. Lately, however, the Chinese have been kicking ass in air pistol. They bear watching.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 5:23 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Pestbgone,

I actually did some testing with different caliber with my Whiscombe. I can do more.

Manufactures don't change a thing in their guns when changing calibers. They are as alike as peas in a pod, which is why I say .22s usually get 20 percent greater energy that .177s in the same spring gun.

When a manufacturer has a custom shop, like Webely had with the Venom shop in the '90s, they may tune different calibers differently, but otherwise, all parts and common dimensions are the same.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 5:24 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

.22 multi-shot,

I hope to test the RM 2800 in the next month.

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2007 5:40 PM, Blogger George said...

Reading between the lines. No mention of accuracy usually means there is none. What say you about that?

G B

 
At December 12, 2007 6:06 PM, Blogger pestbgone said...

George,
B.B. likes to keep the suspense. LOL
I'm sure the accuracy will be covered in part 3 or 4, yet to come.
Pestbgone

 
At December 12, 2007 6:46 PM, Anonymous coldwinter said...

B .B.,
I mentioned in an earlier post I was considering purchasing this rifle in .22 caliber for hunting and had a question for you. I’m trying to estimate the velocity for this gun in .22 cal based on the velocities you provided for the .177 cal. Do most manufacturers use identical power-plants for varying calibers (I assume for break-barrel they do)? Are all other factors equal as well?
Can I assume since the power-plant is identical, the velocities will experience a linear decrease based on an increase in pellet weight? Assuming I can, I will use the numbers from the Raptor pellets and Premier Heavys (the largest spread). Here a 110 % (5.5 grain increase) increase in pellet weight offered a 30% (392 fps) loss in velocity; roughly a 1% increase in pellet weight will drop velocity by .27%. That said a pellet weighing 14.3 grains (an increase in weight of 286%) would drop velocity by 77%, offering an estimated velocity of about 303 fps. Certainly that cannot be right. Why then is difference exponential, and what factors cause this change? Any insight?
Why do you suppose the range was so high for Crosman Premiers, offering a lower velocity in fact than the heavier JSB Exact (averages ignored)? Finally since muzzle energy is far more dependent on pellet weight (meaning that a large increase in weight will not produce as much energy as a small increase in velocity) do you think this gun is best-suited for hunters in a .177 caliber?

 
At December 12, 2007 6:49 PM, Blogger Matthew Puhl said...

B.B.,

I neglected to mention that a .22 cal (because of the increased surface area) will however deliver more of it's available energy to the target, often penetrating less but offering more "knock down" power. However I'm only interested in being able to retain this energy over longer ranges, say 30 yards and out. In that sense would this gun be better suited for .177 caliber?

-Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 7:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

coldwinter

If you want to estimate velocities based on B.B.'s data it might be easiest to use a muzzle energy calculator that is somewhere on the Pyramidair site although I don't know exactly where.

Otherwise you can do it by hand. The equation for kinetic energy is E=0.5mv^2 where m is the weight of the pellet and v^2 is the velocity squared. This equation may answer your question, if I understood it, about why velocity does not change in a linear fashion--it is a squared function.

Anyway, if the .22 version has the same powerplant, which I do not know for a fact, then the muzzle energy it produces will be the same as the .177 version. So you just use the equation to find E. Then, m and v will be juggled around to preserve the same E. Solving for v, you get v=square root of [2E/m], then plug in your E value and your pellet weight for .22 caliber, and you will get your velocities.

Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 7:54 PM, Anonymous Majorkonig said...

Hmmm thats a large rifle for sure. BB, if you were 5'7" what approx. length rifle would you consider comfortable ?

Regards
RT

 
At December 12, 2007 7:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

How interesting about the Russian hegemony. That may explain why they make such good airguns. Regarding the Chinese, I happened to come across a site about how the term "Wanged" had entered the airgun lexicon. It referred to a Chinese air pistol competitor named Yifu Wang who finished second by .1 of a point in some very high-level pistol competition, and when the results were announced, threw a fit and collapsed. There were photos of him being wheeled out on a stretcher! Now to "wang" means utter collapse. Not a way you want to be remembered but apparently the guy was very good. I look for good things from Chinese airguns in future starting with the BAM series.

Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 8:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

coldwinter

By the way, when using the energy equation, you will need to use the right units. Velocity is already in feet but grains has to be converted to pounds which can be done with this calculator

http://www.unitconversion.org/weight/pounds-to-grains-conversion.html

Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 8:42 PM, Anonymous sumo said...

BB,

is there much sense in tuning a air arms tx200 or would that just be counterintuitive? DId yours come with an 8 ounce trigger or did you do or have something done to make it that way?

-sumo

 
At December 12, 2007 10:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

coldwinter

Don't want to provide you with misinformation. The equation for velocity

v=sqrt(2E/m)

is correct in describing the relationship of the variables but the unit conversions are kind of weird. The only way I found to make it work is to convert muzzle energy from foot pounds to joules and mass from grains to kilograms. You'll get the velocity in terms of meters per second which you will have to convert to feet per second. No doubt the Pyramidair calculator is easier.

Matt

 
At December 12, 2007 11:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coldwinter, one can definitely not expect the same energy from the .22 version if it has the same power plant. Part of the power plant of any airgun is the bore volume, as energy = force*distance, which equates to pressure*pellet base area*barrel length. Every springer I've seen offered in .177, .22 and .25 shows an increasing power trend with pellet size. The only exception might come with an anaemic gun, which this certainly isn't! I predict 25ft-lbs with 16gr JSB's in .22, just my 2c.

 
At December 13, 2007 1:40 AM, Blogger Matthew Puhl said...

Thank you for your comments.
To begin Matt, not sure where you got your formula. The formula for kinetic energy, expressed in Foot Pounds is: E = m • v2 / (2 • 32.1739 • 7000)
Since velocity is the number that is squared, it is the number which has more influence. Meaning, again as I said, small increases in velocity will yeild more energy than large increases in pellet weight.
Second, to anonymous . . . there is no way on EARTH this gun will get 35 ft./lbs. in .22. You are correct about the bore volume, but remember this gun has a 21" barrel. This gun will at most produce about 24 ft/lbs from the barrel in .22 caliber. Even that is probably overstated by 2-3ft/lbs. This gun will probably push a 14.3 gr. Premier in the low 800s, maybe 800-825. The Hunter 1250 in .22 cal is rated at 910, but is chronied at about 820 with a 14.3 pellet. This gun is not as powerful as the Hunter Extreme. The data for the .177 indicates this gun cannot match the Extreme in terms of velocity with same pellets. I'm hoping the 21" barrel will add some accuracy, I suppose Part III will answer that ? on Friday . . .

 
At December 13, 2007 1:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meant to say 35 ft lbs, not 35 . . .

 
At December 13, 2007 1:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

25*

 
At December 13, 2007 5:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

GB,

I say wait for the test. If you are new to this blog, I break most of my big tests into sections. We have only looked at general characteristics and velocity so far. Each report has links at the top to all the past reports, so you never have to guess.

Accuracy will be tested, and as I mentioned in a comment to a reader about a month ago, this one is worth waiting for.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2007 6:48 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

coldwinter,

At the risk of starting a controversy, I think pellet size and weight means more to a hunter than velocity. In other words, I'm in Elmer Keith's camp, not Roy Weatherby's.

I see several readers are trying to predict what the Super Streak will do in .22, so I'll venture a guess. Based on what I see from the .177, I expect the .22 to deliver a maximum around 23.5 to 24.5 foot-pounds.

Do I think the gun would be a better hunter in .177? Absolutely not! Whenever you get into this power range with a spring gun, .177 chokes off part of the potential in my opinion. But then I told you what camp I'm in.

I think a .45/70 loaded to black powder velocity (1150-1200 f.p.s. with a 405-grain lead slug) is a better killer than a .270. Ten times more difficult to hit with at ranges beyond 150 yards, but a superior killer when it does. But, again, that is my opinion.

However I do note that our troops in the Middle East are converting from the 5.56mm round to the 7.62 round we supposedly abandoned during Viet Nam. The small fast bullet is no match for the slower bullet that delivers a punch on target.

The Crosman Premier did poorly because the pellet didn't fit the bore of the gun. It had nothing to do with its weight. The 10.5-grain Premier must have a wider skirt, in addition to its greater weight.

Don't expect a linear increase when going up in caliber. The increase in bore volume changes everything. But do expect an increase in energy from this gun, when increasing to .22.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2007 6:51 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Matt,

I trust my analogy about the .45/70 and the .270 answered the longer-range question, but if not then no, I think the .22-caliber Super Streak will still be a better hunting gun at ranges out farther than 30 yards.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2007 6:53 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Majorkonig,

For someone 5'7" I would recommend a close-coupled air rifle like the RWS Diana 48/52/54 and the TX 200 Mark III. They are heavy but all have shorter cocking strokes.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2007 6:55 AM, Anonymous sumo said...

BB,

is there much sense in tuning a air arms tx200 or would that just be counterintuitive? DId yours come with an 8 ounce trigger or did you do or have something done to make it that way?

-sumo

 
At December 13, 2007 6:56 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Matt,

I didn't know about the phrase Wanged, but I remember vividly the day he collapsed. As a 10-meter pistol shooter, I follow those matches closer than most others.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2007 6:58 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Sumo,

In my opinion, no TX 200 Mark III needs to be tuned. As for the trigger, I was writing a report that forced me to adjust it, and when it got to where it is now I just left it. It works for me, though it do think it's too light.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2007 7:18 AM, Anonymous sumo said...

BB,

thanks. I always adjust on my triggers. i was just seeing if you polished it or anything.

-sumo

 
At December 13, 2007 2:09 PM, Anonymous coldwinter said...

B.B.,

Sorry for the confusion, I agree with you that increasing pellet weight is a better bet than increasing velocity. However, Science does not lie, increasing velocity will in fact yeild a larger increase in energy than an increase in pellet weight. There is no substitute for a good shot however, so I'm looking forward to seeing your next report.
Also, thanks for explaining why yone cannot linearly map an airguns velocity. Your estimation for this gun in .22 is exactly the same as mine in terms of how much energy it will produce. In truth I called Crosman, again, who said that it'd shoot a 14.3 gr. pellet in the low 800's.

 
At December 13, 2007 2:39 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

coldwinter,

We shall see.

B.B.

 
At December 21, 2007 7:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,
with what you have seen from the super streak; witch would be better for squirrel hunting, the super streak or an RWS 34 Panther (both in .22)? thanks
~Kyle

 
At December 22, 2007 7:14 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Kyle,

The Super Streak will certainly reach out farther, but the 34 Panther is a more compact rifle. If you are of large stature, get the Super Streak. If you're under 6 feet and 200 pounds, you might like the Panther more.

B.B.

 
At January 10, 2008 2:56 AM, Anonymous tklawsonpharmtech said...

This claim of 1500 fps is curious. The report must be loud. I'd go with the .177 because of the accuracy. The scope and mount must be superior to take that kind of recoil on a repeated basis. I'd like to be kept informed on the final stats on this affordable airgun.

 
At January 10, 2008 4:03 AM, OpenID ajb2591 said...

BB,
I am a proud owner of a Benjamin Sheridan and a Benjamin Franklin. I don't like the sound of Made in China at all when it comes to quality... But im willing to forgive if you say this gun has just as much quality as its companions. What do you say? Is it good for the money?

 
At January 10, 2008 7:03 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

tklawsonpharmtech,

The .177 will probably be just as accurate. I will test it later this year when the guns become available.

B.B.

 
At January 10, 2008 8:42 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

ajb2591,

Did you read both parts of this report?

This rifle is currently UNDERPRICED by nearly $200!

B.B.

 
At January 10, 2008 6:29 PM, Blogger Winski said...

I'm very curious to see how the 22cal. performs in velocity and accuracy. I now own a Beeman 25 Cal Kodiak and it is the best squirrel killing airgun I've ever used.
I know for a fact that at 50yds my Beeman loses very little velocity compared to any 177 cal. The heavier pellets may not come out at 1200fps but hold their velocity and trejectory over any 177cal at that range.
Hopeing to see results on the Super Streak 22 cal soon. I want to run out and get one just to have a spare and if it performs thats even better, especially at that price :)

 
At February 03, 2008 3:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Part 1 & 2 went up within 2 weeks of each other. Where's part 3?

 
At February 03, 2008 6:01 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

It went up on Dec. 17.

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/12/benjamin-sheridan-super-streak-part-3.html

B.B.

 
At May 03, 2008 8:40 PM, Blogger Z said...

Is a review on the .22 Super Streak in the works at any point in the future? Between a the new Walther Falcon and a Super Streak both in .22 and lets say they are using the same 14.3gr pellet which one do you think would deliver more fps?

 
At May 04, 2008 8:14 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Z,

My plans are to review the .25 cal. Falcon Hunter. The .22 versions will be very close in power because you can get pellets close in weight.

I had not planned to review the .22 Super Streak, but anything is possible.

B.B.

 
At May 04, 2008 1:12 PM, Blogger Z said...

I took a look at the velocity results for the .22 walther falcon here on Pyramid and ya'll got 985fps with a 11.9gr pellet. Your review with the Super Streak in .177 with a 10.5gr pellet got between 921-929 fps. So I would reckon that the falcon might pack a little more punch. I think I'll try it first. Thanks for such a speedy response.

 
At August 25, 2008 5:33 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

Just won one on an auction for a Great price & can't wait to shoot it!

B.B. Listed some obviously good pellets for this gun, but I'm curious of two things...

B.B. How did the PBAs group for you, & does anyone else have any other pellets they've found to be impressive in this gun?


Thanks,

- The BBA -

 
At August 25, 2008 5:40 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

I forgot...

Any recommendations on good priced scopes for this gun, & how is the trigger? Does it need Charlie da tuna's GTR-III?

I ask, because my 397's trigger is a bear! No way it's 5.5 lbs! :(


Thanks again,

- The BBA -

 
At August 25, 2008 5:56 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

The Benjamin SAuper Streak is a Chinese breakbarrel. It bears no relationship to the American-made 397 multi-pump.

I believe the CRT-III trigger will fit the Super Streak. It is a Gamo copy.

Raptors don't group - they pattern! Like any shotgun, they spread as they go farther from the muzzle.

B.B.

 
At August 26, 2008 2:44 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

I hear ya. From my experience, the only thing the PBAs are good for, is to hear that super sonic crack. lol

I plan on testing the JSB Predator, Kodiack EH, Crowmagnum,
& the CPH.

I'm thinking the Kodiaks & CPHs will yield the best groupings.

Is there any other pellet you recommend for the Super Streak?


Thanks,

- The BBA -

 
At August 26, 2008 6:33 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBVA,

Well, you left out the JSB Exact, which was the most accurate pellet I tested. Since it's in stock, I wonder why you don't want to try it?

B.B.

 
At August 27, 2008 10:49 PM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

Funny you mention that.
I WAS thinking about asking you about it, because I was a little confused regarding that pellet. Reason being, is that the one you linked to is the 8.4 gr but since they also have a 10.2 gr, I was wondering if you accidently linked the wrong one, or maybe the 10.2 gr wasn't available at thet time you tested them? I couldn't find anymore info on that, & with the power that gun has, I would figure the heavier pellet would be the way to go.

But I'm the beginner & you're the expert.

So I WILL ask... Should I stay with the 8.4 gr, try the 10.2 gr, OR try both?

Also, was the 10.2 gr available at the time, & if so, did you test that one too, & if not why?

Sorry for all the questions, but as you know, I AM still pretty new to all of this & am just trying to learn the things that will make be a better shooter & collector.

BTW... I am getting MUCH better at which airguns to buy & which ones not to, & not just jumping on everything & anything that looks cool. I'm taking more time, doing more research, before buying different airguns, & am even selling the ones in my collection that aren't either to my liking, or worth holding on to.

You & this blog have helped a LOT!


Thanks,

- The BBA -

 
At August 28, 2008 6:17 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

No, that wasn't a mistake. I did shoot the 8.4-grain Exact. I have both on hand for testing all the time.

I shot the lighter pellet because the Super Streak is a spring gun, and springers usually prefer lighter pellets.

I don't seem to have tested 10.2-grain Exacts at all, but I did test 10.5-grain Premiers, so look at what they did. The heavy Exacts would be in that neighborhood.

B.B.

 
At August 28, 2008 10:24 PM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

Gotchya... That makes sense.

I am surprised though, that even a springer with that much power still prefers lighter pellets.

I suppose that's just the nature of springers though, regardless of power.

Thank you for clarifying that.

I do plan on getting a CRT-III trigger for it, & since the one I won on gunbroker.com doesn't have a scope, I need to get one.

I'm wondering, what scope would you recommend for this gun? The stock 4-16x40 CenterPoint scope it comes with from PA, or is there another one (hopefully for a reasonable price) you'd recommend?


Thanks,

- The BBA -

 
At August 29, 2008 10:13 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

Springers develop very little compressed air - just a small puff - compared to PCPs. That's why they don't like heavy pellets.

B.B.

 
At August 30, 2008 7:34 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

Thank you for explaining that.

Once again you are helping me learn little by little. :)

I'm curious... What would you say the effective killing range for a pigeon or gopher would be for the .177 Super Streak?

One last thing I would REALLY appreciate your expertise on...

I have a .177 Super Streak on the way, but no scope with it.

I definitely want to put a scope on it so I can see what kind of range I can get out of it, which is one of the main reasons I bought it, but I have virtually no experience with scopes.

I do most of my shooting with open sights, & have a couple of red dots for low light & night shooting.

I desperately need your help here, due to my lack of experience with scopes. I've heard that some scopes aren't suited for high power break barrels, as they can break from the recoil.

I do like illuminated but it's not a must, but I would like something that is range finding, with flip up covers, & one that is well suited for & can utilize the full range this gun is capable of.

So with that in mind & in a moderate price range of $40.00 - $80.00 (I'll go higher if need be, but would like to keep it under $100.00), what scope would you recommend for my Super Streak?

OK, here I paused this post, did some looking, & picked these three scopes below.

On the inexpensive side I'm looking at the Leapers 3-9x40 Scope, Illuminated Mil-Dot Reticle, 1/4 MOA, 25mm Tube, 3/8" Rings, Rubberized Exterior,
$59.99

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/accessory/1977

On the medium side the Leapers 4-16x50 AO Scope, Illuminated Red/Green Mil-Dot Reticle, Zero Lock/Reset, open box
$77.66

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/accessory/2494

& on the higher side I'm looking at the Leapers 6-24x50 AO Varmint Scope, Illuminated Mil-Dot Reticle
$99.99
which I think is the one PA sells with the gun.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/accessory/338

Personally I'd really like to go with the 9x because it looks like a great scope for the money, but I'm concerned whether it will be enough magnification for this gun & the range it's capable of, & if I'm going to go for the 16x, I mind as well shell out the extra $22.00 & get the 24X because it looks like a great scope & probably the best one for this gun, & for the price.

But like I said... I don't have much experience with scopes, so I'm asking you.

Am I on the right track, am I missing something, is there something else you recommend, or if you like my three choices, which one do you recommend?

HELP! lol


P.S. I did read your articles, Leapers scopes Great value - low price , Scope shift and barrel droop...two common problems, How to optically center a scope, Barrel droop, At what range should you zero your scope, & Adjustable scope mounts, but not all the links in that post yet, but I will. ;)


Thanks in advance, & thank you VERY much for putting up with & helping a question filled noobie like me. ;)


- The BBA -

 
At August 30, 2008 9:01 PM, Anonymous bunnies fear me said...

bb,
I currently plink/hunt with my fathers 1965 C9 sheridan blue streak and was looking for a gun of my own. im about 5'8 and im kinda husky. I really like the .22 caliber version of the gun, and would like to know if it is right for me. If it is, what would be a good weight pellet for the gun?
me.

 
At August 31, 2008 9:35 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

I would recommend the cheapest Leapers for the Benjamin Super Streak. This is a VERY LARGE air rifle that you may not like. If you do, the Leapers as all the scope you need for shots to 50 yards.

The Benjamin can kill animals at 100 yards, but I doubt you will be able to shoot it that far accurately enough to hit anything.

B.B.

 
At August 31, 2008 10:05 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Bunny,

The Benjamin 392 is a great pneumatic. I think JSB Exacts would work well, but since they're hard to find, why not try Benjamin diabolos? They're just Crosman Premiers in a tin.

B.B.

 
At September 01, 2008 7:33 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

Yes, I know it's big AND pretty darn heavy too, so you may be right, but...

The main reason I bought it, is to see how much range I can get out of it, & I AM hoping to be able to hunt small game or consistently hit a soda can at 100 yards.

Not to toot my own horn, but I AM a prety good shot, so I think I might be able to pull iy off.
We'll find out. ;)

Anyhow, THAT'S why I was wondering about how much magnification would be optimal for objects of that size at 100 yards?

The more I think about it, I think the 24x will most likely be over kill for 100 yards, will probably narrow my view too much, AND probably be a too sensitive in regards to movement when trying to lock on target, so I'm going to rule that one out.

Now I'm just trying to decide if 9x is enough, or if I should go for the 16x?

It's between the Leapers 5th Gen 3-9x32mm Scope, Illuminated Mil-Dot Reticle, 1/4 MOA, 1" Tube, 11mm Dovetail Rings
$55.25

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/accessory/2407

or the Leapers 4-16x50 AO Scope, Illuminated Red/Green Mil-Dot Reticle, Zero Lock/Reset
$81.75

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/accessory/1808

If I went with "the cheapest" that would bring me to this Leapers 3-9x32mm Range Estimating A.O. Full Size Scope
$44.10

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/accessory/866

So for $10.00 more, I'd opt for the first one I listed.

But after a more thought & research, for only $26.00 more,
why not get the Leapers 4-16x50 AO Scope, Illuminated Red/Green Mil-Dot Reticle, Zero Lock/Reset.

My logic behind that decision, is that if I decide I don't like the Super Streak, I think this would be a great scope for my .22 cal Sumatra 2500 Carbine.

BTW... Had I not got such a great price on that, I would have rather got the Sumatra 2500, 500cc Reservoir by Eun Jin.
I think that is a GREAT PCP for the money.
I like it so much, I'm considering selling my .22 cal 2500 & buying that one! ;)

Any advice or thoughts on that?


Thanks again,

- The BBA -

 
At September 01, 2008 10:30 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBA,

Given your reasoning, I'd go with the 4-16. It6's big, bright and I love mine.

B.B.

 
At September 02, 2008 4:58 AM, Blogger The Big Bore Addict said...

B.B.

OMG... With having virtually no experience with scopes,I actually picked a good one huh? Who'd a thunk! lol

Well, if YOU like it, then it must be good. ;)


I did some home work, liked what I read about it, & like I said about putting it on the Sumatra... if I don't like the Super Streak, it won't go to waste. :)

Besides... Who says I HAVE to use 16X on the Super Streak?
I might find that 10X or 12X is perfect for my needs, & it's always nice to have that little extra just in case, especially for only $26.00 more.

You have to understand that living in Las Vegas, when it comes to $20.00 or there abouts, most people will always be willing to pay that extra $26.00 on a better product, because you'd probably wind up putting it in a slot machine the next time your having dinner at a casino anyways.

So why not take a pass on the slot machine & get that better scope/product instead. ;)

You see... There are MANY methods to my madness. heh-heh


It really does look like a great scope for the money though, & thanks to your input, now I'm even more confident I'll be glad I got it.

Thank you B.B.


P.S.

I'll let you know how it works out.


- The BBA -

 

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