How to make a leather piston seal
by B.B. Pelletier
Before we begin, I have to tell you that next week is going to be exciting. I will fulfill two promises you guys have been waiting for, plus there are some other nifty things going on in this blog. So, next week is not a time to skip reading. I promise...you will see some neat stuff. On to today's post.
Here's a good tip you can use to resuscitate many older spring-piston airguns. And, not just rifles, because plenty of old air pistols have leather seals, too. Dyb asked for this, and I've been meaning to do it for several years.
First, you need a supply of leather. I save old belts and shoes for this purpose. The leather needs to be about 1/8" thick, but don't obsess over that. It should also be on the stiff side, though it does have to be at least a little pliable for the forming you'll do.
Step 1. Measure the seal
If there's an old seal in the gun, measure it. A dial caliper is an easy way to measure, just try to forget those measurements on the dial smaller than 1/10". With leather, they're meaningless. Leather expands and compresses to fill the compression chamber. If there isn't an old seal, measure the diameter of the compression tube. That's the size of your seal.
Step 2. Make the form
Making a form for a leather piston seal is easy. Just drill a hole in a 1" plank and you're done. Drill the hole larger than the diameter of the piston seal, for reasons you'll see shortly. The only challenge is finding the right size drill bit, and I have a tip for that. If possible, use an adjustable drill bit. Drill the hole all the way through the board but don't obsess about the smoothness of the edges.

Step 3. Prepare the leather
Cut a square piece of leather wide enough to cover the piston with enough left over to make a sidewall at least 1/4" high. I like to make the sidewall higher than that, but don't get hung up on how high to make it. Keep it in the 1/4" range. Soak the leather in water for 24-48 hours. Add a drop of dishwashing detergent to the water to break the surface tension and make the water easier to be absorbed into the leather.
Step 4. Form the seal
Take the wet leather and center it over the hole in the board. Use the appropriate size wrench socket to drive the wet leather into the hole. Drive it in as deep as you want the sidewalls to be high. Set the board aside to dry for 2-3 days.


Step 5. Trim the seal
When the seal's dry, trim the edges while it's still in the board. I find a razor knife does this best. There may be wrinkles in the seal near the top, but disregard them. They'll go away when the seal's used.

Step 6. Drill the screw hole
Invariably, leather seals are held to the piston head by a flathead screw countersunk into the steel piston. There has to be a hole for this screw to pass through, and drilling it while the seal is still in the board is easiest.

Step 7. Remove the seal and soak it in oil
If you're going to use the seal right away, soak it in petroleum oil for about 24 hours. If you have a magnum air rifle such as the Diana 45 or the BSF 55, use silicone oil. If you don't plan to use the seal soon, store it where it will get air.
This method produces seals with rounded bottoms. That bothered me before I bought a factory leather seal and saw that it looked the same. Shooting will flatten it out.

58 Comments:
BB
Haven't even had time to read this yet, but I can already see this might save my bacon. THIS is the kind of stuff that makes your blog top-notch. Thanks for the info. JP
Great info. Thanks.
BB,
Great blog, one to go into my permanant airgun folder. I can see A lot of readers looking for their old shoes to stash away, LOL.
BobC
B.B. -
I would love to use this tip to re-build my old Daisy 99 for my grandson. It's the gun that I learned how to shoot with when I was his age, and is still in very good condition except for the seal. Any chance of a blog describing dissassembly and reassembly for one of these? I can't imagine that I'm the only one needing help restoring a bb gun with family history.
- Jim in Kansas
Kansas Jim,
I'll put it in the que.
B.B.
B.B., my question is not really related to this subject and I think someone may have already asked before. Anyway, I would like to know that if the scope stop pin is smaller than the scope stop hole on the rifle, shall I push the mount forward (so that the pin makes contact with the front edge of the hole) or backward or it doesn't really matter? Thanks.
Alan
B.B.
On the subject of leather accessories, slings seem like a great idea that is not mentioned often. I was wondering if you could recommend a set of sling swivels for air rifles. I'm guessing that the stock screws are better than the ones that attach directly to the barrel. Is that right?
Can you recommend a good set? This Beeman model seems to have a common design.
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=1122
What tools do you need to get the screws into the stock? Is there a danger of messing up the rifle by putting them in the wrong place? Are there other guidelines for positioning them? And do these screws, or others, work for synthetic stocks? Thanks.
Matt
Alan,
It does matter. You want the scope stop pin to bear against the back of the hole, because the scope tends to walk backward when the gun recoils forward - just the opposite of a firearm.
B.B.
Matt,
Among my many shortcomings is the fact that I do not install sling swivels - ever!
I don't use slings on air rifles, even when they are easy to attach.
Sorry.
B.B.
B.B.
Thanks for getting back to me. Okay, so maybe there's a reason why one doesn't hear too much about airgun slings.
While I'm here, any suggestions about using AGE impact putty to reinforce the back of my Crosman 850 trap which has had its interior pretty much blasted out? Will the stuff stick on its own? Is there a recommended adhesive?
Matt
BB,
This comment belongs with yesterdays blog comments, but I didn't read it until today.
Thanks for the explanation of the regulator! That made it clear to me. I also found a visual representation at http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/regulators/howtheywork/index.shtml. Also thanks for blogs like todays with valuable information on DIY maintenance!
The Walther Dominator finally came out! WOW, that is a HUGE price difference from the 850 AirMagnum!!! I could understand if they were using a Walther barrel, but just for air instead of CO2? That seems ridiculous (especially considering people on the web that have converted their 850s to PCP with power similar to the 1250). And $100 more for the .22 - what is that about?
.22 multi-shot
Matt,
If the interior is blasted out of your Crosman 850 target trap, you are using guns that are too powerful for it. My 850 has about 10,000 rounds and it's in great shape. But I don't shoot at it with guns over 450 f.p.s. That's the secret.
I think you are ready to move up to a metal trap. The Pyramyd trap is invulnerable to all smallbore air rifles. My similar trap has over 100,000 rounds from guns as powerful as a Fire 201 air shotgun (250 foot-pounds) and it's still like new. Such a trap costs a lot of money, but that's the last time you will even think about it. Mine is 15 years old.
B.B.
B.B.,
Please address the 4 questions regarding your successful use of lead balls [From Wednesday's blog, 1st comment, last paragraph]in the Drozd bb rifle. Thank you very much.
- Dr. G.
Dr. G.,
I use Gamo round balls and Beeman Perfect Rounds. I have never had a jam in a Drozd, and that's after shooting five different guns over a period of four years. But I seldom shoot burst-fire. As I am more interested in accuracy, I tend to shoot semiauto most of the time.
I believe all round balls are essentially the same, though H&N copper-plated balls migfht be good for automatic fire. I just havn't tried them.
B.B.
B.B.
This is off topic, Could the NcSTAR 3-9x42E Compact rifle Scope Item#:NC-SEC3942R be sighted in at 10 yards?
Jeremy
B.B.
Thanks for the comments on the trap. Actually, I don't think my guns could have much less power. The IZH 61 I've heard chronographed at around 450 fps. The Walther CP Sport is supposed to be around 360 fps and with the Walther Nighthawk gear around 400 fps. Perhaps the Crosman 1077 is the culprit at around 600 fps although in the two months it was working it couldn't have done that much damage. Maybe range is the problem since I only have 20 feet for my apartment shooting. (You lucky dogs with 10 meter ranges and bench rests don't know how good you have it.)
Anyway, since I will be apartment shooting, the trap needs to be quiet and since ballistic curtains are not the answer, it looks like impact putty is the only way to go. Can the putty be plastered onto the back of the heavy duty metal trap or is the official quiet trap strong enough for my equipment?
Another equipment question. The flashlight for my Walther Nighthawk has a very annoying dark spot right at the point of aim (it's plenty bright enough otherwise). The spot interferes with marksmanship and my "freeze and drop your weapons" scenarios. Are all Walther flashlights built this way or is it worthwhile trying the replacement bulb from Pyramidair?
Matt
Matt,
B.B. can surely answer your questions better. I just have one suggestion - go to Home Depot, go to the Electrical section and buy this materal called Duct Seal made by Garden Bender (it feels like oil clay). You'll have the best homemade quiet pellet trap. When I shoot my 300 - 400fps pistols, pellets can only stick on the surface. When I shoot my .22 TX200 (~17fpe) at 10-yard, pellets only go in about 1/2 inch.
Okay, I've heard enough good things about this duct seal. I'll give it a try. Thanks.
Matt
B.B.
This question is completely unrelated to today's post. I am looking for a mid level hunting PCP (primarily for squirrels, crowes, and pigeons) I was originally looking at air force rifles. Keeping noise to a minimum is important so a shroud would be a must. In that vein I stumbled across the FX whisper and although it is priced a bit higher it seems attractive. What are your thoughts on the whisper vs. the airforce system and are there any other rifles you recomend I look into? Thanks in advance from a long time lurker.
Zak
Zak,
Great question, you beat me to it,LOL.
Zak,
The Talon SS really isn't all that quiet. Compared to the Air Arms S410, the Talon SS is down right loud. I own both so my comments are based on personal experience.
I don't own an FX Whisper but I would expect it to be quieter than than either of the others based on the shroud diameter. Don't overlook the fact adjustable power is not available on the FX T-12 Whisper.
B.B. Your tutorials today and yesterday are really appreciated. You add to one's airgun understanding. Thanks----Don
Will a Dragon Claw bipod fit on a 1377c, or ANY multi-pump for that matter?
14 in Fla
B.B.,
Thanks for another great how-to. You didn't say, but the smooth side of the leather is supposed to end up against the cylinder? Any reason a leather piston seal couldn't be used in a gun that originally had a synthetic seal? Some performance degradation and no magnums, I guess? Plus figuring out how to attach it.
Thanks,
Pestbgone
Oops, I see that you did say the leather seals worked in magnums, at least the older Diana 45.
Pestbgone
Zak,
I was considering a fx revolution and after a month of thought and research found that fx were not so great. I would take a air force over them.
i agree. the best thing would be an air arms. Think about .22 for squirrels, and also if you want a repeater (i would).
-sumo
Pestbgone,
Yes, the smooth side of the leather goes against the cylinder, however, if you reverse it, it will polish out in a few hundred shots.
Converting a gun that had a synthetic seal to a leather seal can be very problematic, because the synthetic seals use the return-to-form nature of the synthetic material to hold themselves to the piston crown. I've only seen one that had a screw retainer, and that may have been die to a transition from an earlier leather seal.
B.B.
Zak,
Sumo answered you well, as far as he went. However, he didn't touch on the frame extender that Airhog now sells for all three AirForce rifles. I have tested it on the Condor only and it is quieter than the S410 sidelever. I have heard quieter air rifles, BUT NEVER AT THE POWER LEVER THE CONDOR PUTS OUT! When the Condor is dialed back to 19 foot-pounds, it sounds like a nickel being dropped on a cement floor.
Did you read my report on that device? It REALLY works. You could have 30 foot-pounds that is so quiet you closest neighbor would never know what you are doing. I live in a housing development where the homes are less that 20 feet apart, and I know what this thing can do.
B.B.
Jeremy,
Thr NC Star scope you mentioned focuses down to 50 feet. Ten yards is 30 feet, so you are 20 feet short.
B.B.
Matt,
I took too long to answer and you got a great answer about duct seal. Yes it will stick to the back of your trap, but that's a messy way to do it. Make a box-type trap and don't forget to back the putty with a thin steel plate. I used a cookie sheet for mine - a fact my wife still hasn't forgotten.
B.B.
14 in Fla.
A bipod on a pistol!!!
Son, you are watching too much television! The whole reason handguns were invented was for portability. Yes, I know there are people with benchrest pistols who probably do use bipods, but a 1377 isn't a 300-yard gun!
Homework assignment: Find out what the Creedmore shooting position is for handguns, and tell me who is considered to be the greatest proponent of long-range handgunning.
Hint: He killed an elk at greater than 400 yards.
The rest of you readers lay off answering this question. This is for the kid.
B.B.
B.B.
I'm new to scopes. And, I don't know what scope to get for my 1377. Do you know any good scopes that can be sighted in at 10 yards and is in the $40-$65 range?
Jeremy
Re: pellet traps. I cut two 5# blocks of duct seal to fit in my Crosman trap. I just stand them in the front edge of the trap and they stay there. It has stopped several thousand .22 pellets from my B40 @ 730 fps average and none have made it through. Called around to electic supply houses and purchased two blocks for $15.75.
Re: pellet traps. My range is 35 1/2 feet from muzzle to target. Quiet also.
Hi BB,
The leather seal that came out of my TF99 was really thick, like 5/16- 3/8" and looked like it had been cut out by a kid with a dull cookie cutter (as I described in my review of it on another site). I think if they had originally used this method that you described for the seal, it would have never been an issue, and I would have had a full power gun to begin with (discounting all the other things I fixed on it, which has made it a nice shooting gun now). But, at least now I know how to make leather seals for the future. Maybe some future restorations. Thanks for the great info!
/Shooter
BB, Off topic, a .22 pellet query please. Are jsb exacts the same pellet as AA fields, also in theory should a 5.51 work better than 5.52 in a 11.5 lbs TX200 mk3, Regards Ged.
Jeremy,
An air pistol scope isn't cheap and the 1377 is a multi-pump, which makes it very difficult to pump without touching the scope.
To mount a scope on a 1377, you will have to use Crosman's intermount and scope rings on the 11mm dovetail the intermount gives you.
The only pistol scopes Pyramyd carries have a 50 yard fixed parallax setting - no focusing to 10 yards.
B.B.
Ged,
There is no theory about pellet fit. You have to try each size in the actual rifle. There is no way to guess what will work best.
Regarding AA Field pellets, Bill Saunders, the Air Arms managing directpr, tells me his pellets are better than JSBs, which is one way of saying they are not the same. That is all I know about it, as the Air Arms pellets are not being shipped here, yet.
B.B.
Creedmore: lying flat on back, knees drawn up, weapon rested on right leg. Elmer Keith, Model 29 S&W.
I asked the question of multi-pump bipods(though I had thrown in the 1377c, I'll admit that) because springers can't be left cocked, and the critters who eat fruit here simply hide when I come out, then continue eating. I was thinking of the pneumatic type-airguns because of their ability to hold a charge for longer and their inherent consistency.
14 in Fla
B.B.
My 1377 has the Crosman Steel Breech and a shoulder stock so a pistola scope is not needed. I just looking for a scope that has the ability to be used at 10-35 yards. I have been looking at the bug busters.
bb,
i like my condors loud. It ads to the effect. LOL (yes i have been taken to court). i was accused of shooting my neighbors dog but then found innocent as it was not> Ummm? Dead. LOL
i own 3 dogs myself and they have the choice to run away and they don't. So i don't think i would be one to shoot anyones dog. You know that. Don't you. LOL
All i said was that i would choose an airforce over a fx. and that the best thing to get would be an air arms. i was not thinking about noise too much. More about that I THINK the air arms is a superior gun.
-sumo
B.B., Sumo and company, thanks for the advice, I'll keep researching.
Zak
Hey guyes
Check out Crosmans new CO2 carbine. This is one of the most unique guns i have ever seen. Check it out
http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1392
Nate in Mass
B.B.,
I have a brand new TX200 MKIII from Pyramyd. I notice that sometimes after cocking the gun, the safety pin does not pop out, which means the safety is off, the gun is loaded and is ready to fire at any moment without being realized. This is outright dangerous. Does this sound normal to you since you know TX200 much more than anyone here? If this is a defect, what should I do?
TX200,
What you should do is pull the cocking lever a little harder. The condition you describe is common to all guns with the Rekord trigger and safety, going back to the 1950s. The safety is spring-loaded and waits until there is clearance in the trigger before it springs out. Your rifle either has too much lubrication (most likely) a piece of dirt or a burr (highly unlikely, since the safety works some of the time) or you are just not pulling the cocking lever hard enough to set the safety.
I even play a game with guns having the Rekord trigger. I cock them as slowly as possible, trying to cock the sear without setting the safety. I can do it on some guns every time, but on well-used guns I have trouble doing it even once.
There is nothing wrong with your rifle, but knowing that the safety sometimes doesn't set should make you cautious of where you point the muzzle. And isn't that the first rule of gun-handling safety?
B.B.
14 in Fla,
Good for you! I read Elmer Kieth when I was your age and then when I was old enough to own my own firearms I put his writings to the test. I have hit man-sized rocks with regularity with an 1860 Colt Army cap and ball replica gun and I have hit and destroyed football-sized dirt clods at 80 yards with a .38 Special Colt Agent snubnosed revolver. This was all from the Creedmore position, though the Colt Agent was fired from the modified Creedmore in which you have your back against a tree.
The point is, you can be far more accurate with your handgun or rifle than most people would believe if you just take the time to get into a good resting position.
Now, as to your question, which was really is it possible to mount a bipod on the multi-pump, the answer is yes, if you own a sidelever multi-pump like a Daystate Sportsman or a Sharp Ace Target. With an underlever, no bipod made will work.
B.B.
Hello there. Been reading yout great stuff for awhile and decided you will decide what rifle I want to buy.
I want a spring .177 to shoot as far as it can accurately, at tin cans and such, no hunting.
My choices are either the TX200 MkIII or the Diana 350 Magnum (just for the open sights really.
Could you tell me what your choice would be (even if not one of the 2 above)?
Thank you
Choices,
I think the caliber has made your choice for me. Because you choose the .177 and have the money for the TX 200 MKIII, that's the gun I pick.
Had you said .22 caliber, I would have thrown an RWS Diana 54 into the mix, but in .177, the TX200 is king.
However, if open sights are that important to you, I'm going to make a suggestion you didn't mention. The RWS Diana 52. It does require technique to shoot well, but not as much as a breakbarrel like the 350 Magnum.
B.B.
I was just looking over your "How wet weather affects airgun" blog, and I realized you didn't mention any countermeasures to water messing up a wood stock. Is a waterproofing treatment possible, or is it just something that can't be prevented? I remember seeing a Birchwood Casey gun stock treatment on this site, perhaps that is the solution?
14 in Fla
14 in Fla,
I remember a field target match held in the fringes of a hurricane. Living in Florida you should be familiar with the misty rain that never lets up. Well, ALL the stocks of all the rifles that participated that day were affected. They swelled and lost zero. Four of them cracked!
You can treat the outside of the wood well enough, but nobody ever thinks to treat the inside where the action is bedded. In really wet weather, that's where the water gets into the wood.
B.B.
BB and all,
Being a woodworker, I can attest to the importance of finishing wood ON ALL SURFACES. The reasoning behind it is that moisture will be absorbed at different rates when one or more surfaces of ANY wood is left untreated. The untreated surfaces will absorb moisture faster than those surfaces not treated and will swell, warp and in some cases as you have described, crack. If any of you have attempted to make your own wood grips without finishing front AND back, your grips will cup and eventually crack.
BB is right. Treat inside and out of your wood stocks and grips.
Michael in Florida
B.B.
Will the Air Venturi Intermount fit a 1984 Sheridan Model C?
Thank you
Jeremy
B.B.,
You da' man!
When I read this blog I had forgotten about the Chinese B3(?) that I bought on an impulse for $15 at a Cummins Tool sale. Bought it to protect the bird feeders from marauders. It got to the point where it wouldn't shoot thru a piece of cardboard. So I ordered an Industry repair kit and of course it came with a plastic seal of the wrong size. Plus the failed seal was leather. Chucked the B3 into the garage attic and forgot about it. Then I bought the Gamo and beyond, LOL.
So I read your blog about leather seals Friday and I'm looking for Christmas lights in the garage attic and what do you know? Son-of-a-gun. There's that B3.
Made a seal from a thick leather coaster per your instructions.
After only 25 shots its holding between 480 and 500fps with CPs.
This is fun!
Pestbgone
Hello. Thank you for your quick response above. I have another question. About iron sights.
For example, Diana 48/52 has that plastic front sight glued (i guess?) to the barrell and the Diana 34 has the front metalsight. Does it matter that much? What i mean is will the plastic type front sight become unglued or something? I remember seing a tester Gamo CFX and the front plastic sight was all messed up (maybe because it was abused by thousands of people in the store). Under normal usage, should I have a problem with the Diana 52?
Thank you
Jeremy,
No, the new Air Venturi intermount will not fit the older rifles because their receivers have a flat on top and the mount is designed to fit a rounded receiver.
B.B.
Pestbgone,
No, YOU da man for following the instructions and making the seal. Your velocity is about what I would expect from an old B-3.
Congratulations!
B.B.
Glued sights,
The front sight of any Diana RWS rifle should last a lifetime with normal care. The "glue" used to hold the sight is epoxy and after seeing thousands of rifles over 15 years I have never seen or hear of one coming loose.
I have had at least 20 model 48/52 rifles to test and they all performed well in this respect.
B.B.
Tom,
A great big thank you for this column about leather cup replacement. Armed with this information I replaced the leather cup on my 30-year old 2-gallon stainless steel Sears sprayer that I use to spray my apple trees. Your method of forming the cup shape worked like a charm.
Thanks, Dan from Detroit
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