Diana 35 - Always the contender
by B.B. Pelletier

Diana's model 35 was one of the most powerful spring guns in the 1950s. It was made until 1987.
Manish from Mumbai, India, requested this report, but Graham also wonders about his Winchester 435, which is another variation of the classic Diana 35. I did the first post on the Diana 35 back on December 8, 2005. In that post, I showed you the inside of the pre-unitized Diana trigger group with the ball-bearing sear, and I cautioned you not to take one of these rifles apart unless you're sure you can get it back together again.

Lots of parts for a simple job. Diana's ball bearing trigger was a real sales point when the gun was new. It releases about the same as a standard lever-type trigger.
Since that post, I've done more research on the Diana 35, along with four other powerful spring guns of the time, and I've discovered an interesting bit of information. The other four are the HW 35, Diana 45, BSF 55 and the FWB 124. I wrote a large article about them titled The Four Horsemen for the September 20 Shotgun News. The Diana 35 figured in the research because it was positioned against them as a powerful air rifle of the Diana line, but somehow it never quite measured up.
Back in the 1970s, velocity ruled the day. That's no surprise, is it? The magic number was 800 f.p.s., and for a while, only the FWB 124 was capable of shooting that fast, in .177 caliber of course. The other powerful rifles all reported velocities in the 700 f.p.s. range, with as little as 10 f.p.s. making a huge difference in sales. If left to their own devices, the manufacturers would have soon blasted past 800, but they were held in check, first by Air Rifle Headquarters and then by Beeman Precision Airguns. Both dealers did their own testing and reported the true numbers, regardless of the outcome.
The outcome was a disaster for Diana. The 35, which was their magnum hope, was rated at 725 f.p.s. in .177 with light pellets. ARH testing revealed only 685 f.p.s. The cheaper, lighter Diana model 27 shot 650 f.p.s., so sales of the Diana 35 languished because it wasn't that much faster.
Enter The Airgun Revue
Like many airgunners who had lived through the 1970s, I knew what the hot guns had been and had already owned many of them. For some reason, the Diana 35 had eluded me. Then at a Roanoke airgun show in the late 1990s I happened to score a 35 for myself, and resolved to set the record straight in the fifth edition of Airgun Revue. After all, I was tuning spring guns for a living (through my newsletter, that is). Certainly, I could employ "space-age" lubricants (to use Robert Law's term) to improve on what had been possible 20 years earlier. My .22-caliber rifle was made in November 1977 and was marked as a Hy Score model 809, one of many names by which the Diana 35 went.
The tune
To see how far I could take a 35 I tested mine as it was, which was factory-original. Then, I stripped the action and cleaned it. The inside of the gun was dry and caked with hard lubricant, plus the piston was somewhat rusty. Never a good thing. The cocking effort had been 24 lbs. before the tune. By cleaning and lubricating all the moving parts, that dropped down to 19 lbs. afterward. The gun also buzzed pretty bad before the tune. I used a thin coating of black tar on the mainspring, and I burnished moly grease into the compression chamber and the leather piston seal.
High hopes - dashed
After the tune, my rifle had almost exactly the same power as before (a couple f.p.s. less, to be honest). The cocking effort had dropped and the spring twang was reduced, but the power remained around 11 foot-pounds with RWS Meisterkugeln pellets. In .22 caliber, that works out to about 590 f.p.s. With Crosman Premiers, the gun averaged 542 f.p.s., which produces only 9.33 foot-pounds. At the time, I remember being disappointed that no more power had been found, but my recent research reveals why.
Hamstrung from the start
The Diana 35 had a short-stroke piston that limited the available power. When the design was new in 1953, the 11 foot-pounds it generated in .22 caliber was considered stupendous, but by 1977 it had become mediocre. Rifles like the BSF 55 and the Diana 45 had longer-stroke pistons that were capable of much higher velocities, and the long-stroke FWB 124 that started it all, of course, was one of the most potentially powerful spring guns of the era. Unfortunately for Diana, nothing could be done to remedy the situation, so in the late 1980s, it faded away - replaced by the models 34, 36 and 38 that came out in 1984. These long-stroke spring guns represented modern technology at its best, taking velocity in .177 caliber up to 1,000 f.p.s., where guns like the 35 could no longer compete.
Twenty years have passed since the Diana 35 left the world stage, and the airgun world is now in a renaissance period. Lower-powered spring guns are once again embraced. The Diana 35 is a larger, more adult version of the extremely popular Diana model 27, and many now find it to be an appealing spring rifle to add to their collections. If the spring twang is eliminated and the trigger is tuned to break crisply, the 35 becomes a classic airgun - the kind everyone wishes they still made. If you can ignore the chronograph, the Diana 35 can be a wonderful companion. Viewed that way, instead of as the powerful spring gun it tried to be, you can be very content with this fine old classic.


36 Comments:
Morning B.B. I've been shooting and enjoying my Made in West Germany Diania 35, since I bought it new maybe 3 decades ago. A perfect back yard shooter.
B.B.
I have a new leapers 8-32x56 scope. What magnification are the mil-dots set up to be accurate at? Is it the full 32x?
Bruce,
Good for you.
B.B.
Mil dot,
Usually the full magnification is the one selected for ranging. I will ask Leapers.
Do you use the WORM formula, or do you pick a standard and size it for ranging?
B.B.
Thanks again for an interesting review.
I have been looking for a while for reviews of the Walther Lever action (or other Levers), perhaps you could look into that in the future?
What exactly is the worm formula? I'm thinking I use that one, I've just never heard it called that before. Is that the size of the target in yards times 1000 devided by the size in mils? That's the one I use. (actually, I use a varient where the top part is size in inches times 27.778)
Speaking of leapers scopes. People say they are cheap. There was a 50 cal at a local store that had won some competition. It had a leapers scope on it. I thought that was interesting. That obviously proves just because they are cheaper doesn't mean they are bad.
Do you know if the plastic bushing around the threaded part of the cocking knob is split or removed on an Airforce rifle will affect or decrease accuracy?
Hi BB,
At the airgun show in Little Rock you stated that you thought that JSB Exacts were the best pellet for a .22 TSS. When I look for JSB exacts I find several flavors. But from an early blog you seem to be pointing at the 15.8 grain JSB Diabolo Exact Jumbo. Is this correct? Thanks,
Mike T.
B.B.
So was the big secret to breaking 1000 fps just a longer piston? That seems obvious, but maybe only in retrospect.
anonymous, that's very encouraging to hear about the Leaper's scope on the 50 cal. You have to assume that is for long-range shooting. I continue to be mystified at the fantastic prices for centerfire rifle scopes. My $100 Leapers scope produces images as clear as I can see. After putting the crosshairs on this image, I don't know what else a scope can do. I suppose the brightness can always be improved, but it seems like a case of diminishing returns. I guess the only way I can compare for sure is to pay for a $500 scope which I am not willing to do.
Matt61
Andrew (looking for Walther lever-action reviews) - did you see this?
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews4019.html
matt61,
It was cool to see that gun with the same scope on it I use. I actually had to get the guy behind the counter to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
I use a leapers 8-32 on my condor and on my remington xr-100 in .223. I can shoot .2" groups all day at 100 yards with my .223 (with the right bullet of course, and off a bench) I don't know how much it could improve if I had a 2000 dollar scope on it. The condor is the same, it hits what I point at. I guess light can be better, expecially at low light conditions. But I just don't know if the extra light is worth thousands of dollars.
Mil dot,
Leapers says that on all their scopes that adjust greater than 10X, they have standardized the mil dot measurement to 10X, following the military's lead.
Of course the other magnifications can be used, but a conversion formula must be applied to get the power to 10X.
B.B.
Hi BB,
What is a cantilevered hold?.
You've said you do not shoot pistols/handguns two handed and that includes the 1911 .45 ACP am I right from what I've heard?.
Hank
Mil dot,
Here is an explanation of the WORM formula:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-11/Ch5.htm
B.B.
Andrew,
Lever action airguns:
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/02/erma-elg-10-spring-rifle.html
To my utter disbelief I have never reported on the Walther Lever Action rifle.
Next week.
B.B.
AirForce plastic bushing,
That bushing should have nothing to do with accuracy.
B.B.
Mike,
I'm not sure what a .22 TSS is, but when I recommended JBSs I invariably mean the 15.8-grain Exact domed pellets. If I mean otherwise, I will be explicit.
B.B.
Hi BB,
TSS = Talon SS. I thought that was a common abreviation.
Mike T
Hank,
A cantilevered hold is when your skeleton assists you in holding a handgun at arm's length. To read about how to do it, read all parts of this report:
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/05/10-meter-pistol-shooting-part-3.html
B.B.
Thanks a ton for the review B.B.
Where can I find the serial number for the gun on the cylinder and barrel ? If indeed there is one.
Which Leapers Scope rail would you suggest for the 35 ?
Manish
Manish,
The serial number can be on the underside of the barrel, or on the right or left side of the base block that the barrel is pushed into. It can also be on the spring tube but under the stock.
I'm not sure all Dianas had serial numbers.
A scope mount is a real problem, because the scope base on these rifles is extremely narrow. A 3/8" mount may fit, but I have no way of checking.
B.B.
Manish,
The serial number can be on the underside of the barrel, or on the right or left side of the base block that the barrel is pushed into. It can also be on the spring tube but under the stock.
I'm not sure all Dianas had serial numbers.
A scope mount is a real problem, because the scope base on these rifles is extremely narrow. A 3/8" mount may fit, but I have no way of checking.
B.B.
BB,
I'm guessing the 35 bore was roughly 1" and the stroke was well short of 3". Is that close? It reminds me of my forum research leading up to the QB36-2: many references to the QB36/-1, which was touted at 900fps but fell well short of that in reality. It seems they basically doubled the stroke (to 4") to actually get to 900fps on the -2. Seems like the mistake is fairly common: people want to increase the power of their gun and shove a "bigger" spring in it, only to find out that it does little if anything.
anonymous,
Thanks for the extra details about the Leapers scope--more grist for the mill. What you are doing with the Remington xr-100 is closer to what I hope to achieve with my Savage police rifle. I've heard about this Remington rifle of yours. Most people talk about the M700 but this one has turned in some amazing performances.
Matt61
BG_Farmer,
Yes, the bore was large and the stroke was short. Well under three inches, I'd guess.
B.B.
hi! i've got a diana 35 at my house
but yesterday i wasnt at home and my brother and his friend took it
they forgot about the gun, went inside and it was in the rain for almost an hour
and now it wont shoot anymore
can someone help me out? what should i do best?
The rain won't hurt a spring gun, unless you don't dry it.
What is wrong. What you you mean, then gun won't shoot. Are you able to cock it and the trigger won't release the sear?
What exactly is wrong?
B/.B.
Hi, I have a diana 35 that was my Uncle's. He bought it in England in the mid 50's. Does anyone know its value and where I could sell it. I have tried to find out locally and was unable to find out anything. Please email me at swren52@aol.com if you know. Thank you
Sharon
Sharon,
If you have a German Diana 35, it is worth $75 up to $250, depending on the sub-model and condition. If it has a diopter rear sight it is worth the most.
Look here for free classified airgun ads:
www.airguninfo.com
B.B.
hi all! can some help me, i need to know where the spring in the bottem right of the picture above goes in the trigger ? i know were the rest of the parts goes i have a original mod 35 made in germany if u have help or a manual email me or put a link up thanks. djprosser@hotmail.co.uk
If you lived in the U.S. I'd send you to this man:
John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
http://www.jgairguns.biz
But he buys from places in the UK like John Knibbs. The parts are in the UK.
Get on this forum and ask your question:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/405945/
B.B.
Anonymous with the diana 35 original with ball bearing trigger reassembly problem,
Here's the link to a post about a diana 27 (same ball bearing trigger as your original 35) complete with diagram and good insight from numerous people. This is the place B.B. encouraged you to visit. Read the whole thing since there are links to other archived articles that might also help you. Here it is:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/405945/thread/1222892661/Diana+27+Re-assembly
Good luck.
kevin
thanks kev!! your link told me what i needed to know. just finished puting it all back together, got new piston seals, new spring,barrel seal, all from http://www.gunspares.co.uk to put it back together had to buy a pipe clam & a C clamp. thanks all
dj pross.
DJ,
Great news! You're fortunate to have such a resource like gunspares so close to you.
Please consider visiting the current/active comments section where airgunners like yourself are exchanging air gun rebuilding stories, best pellet in certain airguns and generally answering and asking airgun related questions. Here's the link:
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/
Hope to see you there!
kevin
B.B.
Here is some info after I fitted an original Diana 35 spring to my Diana 35 and an original leather washer. It was very frustrating to put the gun back together but I pulled it off.
The surprise was the fps I got after putting it together. I applied moly grease to mainspring, its ends and the main spring. I applied silicon oil 100 grade (viscosity) to the piston seal.
The figures are
898 First shot, lots of dieseling
948 second shot, some dieseling
784 fifth shot, negligible dieseling
815 eighth shot, almost no dieseling
808 ninth shot, ditto
So the Diana is capable of 800fps, or will the numbers go down as I use ? I still have to fit the new o-ring breech seal.
Manish
India
Manish,
Assuming .177 caliber, I would think the rifle would stabilize around 700 or just under. Try again after 100 shots.
B.B.
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