Wednesday, November 30, 2005

Lubricating your spring gun: Part 1 - chambers & mainsprings

by B.B. Pelletier

I thought I would do something general that everyone needs, and this topic jumped out at me. Everyone wants to know how and where to lubricate a spring airgun. Before I begin, let me mention that this is a huge subject, so I had to break it into parts. Today, I'll do chambers and mainsprings.

THE CHAMBER
We'll start with the chamber because a lot of shooters think it's the only place they need to lube. Of course, it isn't, but the chamber is perhaps the most controversial spot on an airgun.

There are a couple reasons we lube the chamber. For one thing, it lubricates the sides of the piston seal and reduces drag and friction. Friction can melt a synthetic piston very quickly. Leather piston seals are kept supple and therefore better able to compress air if they are kept lubricated.

G.V and G.M. Cardew proved that spring-piston guns burn their lubricant to produce power. That's spelled out in detail in their book, The Airgun From Trigger to Target. Anyone who has seen smoke roll out from a freshly lubed BB gun knows this is true. Of course, you want to avoid the more powerful explosion we call a detonation. Actually, a detonation is only different in how much fuel is burned in each explosion. When a spring-piston gun fires, a little of the lubricant flashes into oxidized gas, which can be called by many names such as an explosion, a diesel or a burn.

Here are the guidelines for lubing the chamber
Everything I say for rifles also applies to pistols but in smaller doses.

For guns with synthetic piston seals use a silicone lube with a high flashpoint. A good one is Crosman Silicone Chamber Oil. Use VERY LITTLE - perhaps one drop every 1,000 to 3,000 shots. Use the least with modern Diana/RWS guns such as the models 48, 52 and the 350 magnum.

For guns with leather piston seals, use silicone chamber lube in greater quantities, because it's constantly being wicked away and drying out. Perhaps, five drops every 500 shots is about right. Taploading guns with leather seals (older BSA and Hakim rifles) need even more lube than that. If you find an older airgun that has little or no compression, stand it on its butt and put 20 drops of silicone oil down the barrel. Wait several days, but periodically exercise the action by cocking and uncocking without firing, if the design permits. This often restores an older gun with leather seals.

For old BB guns, use petroleum oil and SOAK the leather seal over a period of days. If the gun has a shot tube, remove it and drop the oil down the large hole in the muzzle. It will seep through the compression chamber and into the leather seal. If the gun has an "Oil Here" hole, oil it 5-6 times with as much oil as you can get through the hole. Cock and uncock the action repeatedly to spread the oil. Be careful! Oil will run out of the gun and onto whatever it's standing on!

For Crosman M1 Carbines and model 350 and 3500 BB guns ONLY, drop the oil down the rear (the smaller) of the two holes on top of the receiver. You only need three or four drops because these guns have a synthetic poppet-type valve rather than a leather piston seal.

For more modern BB guns made from about 1955 and on, the amount of oil should be small because they all have synthetic seals. Almost all of these guns have marked oil holes.

THE MAINSPRING
Oil the mainspring only if the gun makes noise when it's cocked.
The more expensive spring guns are lubed very well at the factory and probably don't need attention for many years. View every used gun with suspicion until you know its condition.

Spring lube is usually an oil, which is the easiest to apply. There are certain spring greases that have been available from time to time. The oils can be applied without disassembling the gun, but most of the greases require disassembly. A good oil to use is Gamo Air Gun Oil. Ten drops of oil is followed by cocking and uncocking (if possible) the gun in many positions to spread the oil as far as possible. Shooting will do the rest.

If you're going to make a mistake in the lubrication of a spring gun, it's best to err on the side of too little lube rather than too much. Guns can be ruined through over-lubrication, but almost everyone will recognize the signs of a dry gun that needs a little lubricant.

This posting will probably raise more questions than it answers. That's okay, because those questions are going unanswered right now. Ask away!

22 Comments:

At November 30, 2005 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where do you put the lubricant for the chamber? I have a Gamo CFX.
Thanks

 
At November 30, 2005 11:06 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

The rotary breech makes it difficult to put the lube directly into the compression chamber, so here is what you do.

Stand the rifle on its butt with the breech closed. Drop the oil into the muzzle and allow at least an hour for it to run down the barrel and into the compression chamber. I always throw in one extra drop for the barrel, because I know some of the oil will stay there.

B.B.

 
At November 30, 2005 8:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a Beeman R7 purchased new this year. I have launched perhaps 1800 projectiles. Synthetic chamber seal on this rifle? How to apply the correct chamber lubricant?
Thanks.

 
At November 30, 2005 8:29 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Yes, your R7 piston seal is synthetic. If it doesn't squeak, it doesn't need any lube, however, a drop or two won't hurt this gun.

Break the barrel open and drop the oil into the transfer port, located in the spring cylinder directly behind the barrel when it is closed.

After oiling, cock and uncock the rifle several times in different positions to move the oil around the seal edges.

B.B.

 
At December 01, 2005 1:24 PM, Anonymous Bill said...

B.B.,

So many terms! For us newbies, would you post one or more close-up photos identifying the rifle/pistol anatomy? It would be worth a thousand words!

Thanks,
Bill

 
At December 06, 2005 11:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a vintage Hy Score 800 air pistol, which features a concentric design. I realy enjoy shooting it, but that is for another conversation. It does not have leather or synthetic seals but steel rings, much like the rings found on an auto piston. I have read that these air pistols were designed to be "oil burners".

What type of oil would you recommend for my Hy Score pistol?

Thanks,

Fred

 
At December 06, 2005 1:00 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Fred,

I've also had an 800 and the earlier 700. I used petroleum oil, like 3-in-1, in mine.

They aren't very accurate, but both the novelty and uniqueness of the design make them exciting air pistols.

B.B.

 
At February 19, 2006 10:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey bb how can you fix an overdose of cylinder oil?

 
At February 20, 2006 7:46 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't know how much of an "overdose" we're talking about, but waiting for several weeks with the gun pointed down to drain the oil is the only way, other than shooting it out. Unless you want to disassemble the gun.

What are we talking about?

B.B.

 
At October 24, 2006 6:48 PM, Blogger bob spring barrel said...

B.B.
IWAS WONDERING ABOUT HOPPES GUN OIL
FOR THE CHAMBER,IT SAYS NON FLAMABLE.
CROSMAN PELLGUN OIL? IT IS SUPPOSE
TO BE A SYNTHETIC OIL?

THANKS,
BOB

 
At October 25, 2006 6:39 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Bob,

Hoppes gun oil should ONLY be used in airguns with leather seals. If you know your gun has a leather seal, go ahead and use it.

B.B.

 
At October 27, 2006 8:36 PM, Blogger bob spring barrel said...

b.b. sir
i was wondering about the year and some history that you might know on ampex ampell single shot co2 pellet pistol.
it is in very good condition,it leaks a little at the peircing point where the powerlet goes.
any info will be great.
thank you,
bob

 
At October 28, 2006 6:59 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

bob,

Ampell pistols appear to have been made from 1968 to 1975. Have you used Crosman Pelgunoil on the tip of the new powerlet? It should seal that leak.

B.B.

 
At November 21, 2006 11:47 AM, Blogger michael edelman said...

Beeman sold a lot of silicone oil by recommending that shooters squirt some in after every tin of pellets. But that technique was developed by Ladd Fanta for leather-washer sealed guns, whose piston seals need regular replenishment.

A modern gun with a synthetic piston seal and a minute amount of silicon grease and moly is good for many tens of thousands of shots without additional lube. Silicone oil squirted into the chamber is just shot out within a few dozen shots.

 
At December 05, 2006 12:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hai B.B.,

I have an old Air gun BSA Airsporter, my question is... Where do you put the lubricant for the Chamber and for the Main Spring of these rifle? How many drops i can use for each? when or on what condition i can use the oil for these rifle? What kind of oil i can use for the Chamber and for Main Spring for these rifle? any special warning for my rifle about the oil issue?

For to many question from me so... Thanks B 4

R. Farry

 
At December 05, 2006 6:38 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

R. Farry,

Chamber oil goes down the air transfer port behind the barrel. Spring oil goes on the mainspring. You should be able to see it, but if not, remove the stock.

Why are you lubing your rifle? Does it act like it needs lube or are you just doing it because you think you should?

A rifle needs very little lube, and it's best to keep shooting until they show signs of needing attention.

B.B.

 
At February 10, 2007 12:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

I recently bought an RWS 48. The manual indicates a requirement to put one drop of RWS Chamber Lube into the Compression Chamber Port with a 3-12" applicator needle. Please indicate the location of the Compression Chamber Port (is it the same as the air transfer port), and the method of using the needle to apply the oil.

 
At February 10, 2007 1:49 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Yes, the air transfer port is what they call the Compression Chamber Port.

Stick needle into port. Squeeze bottle until 1 drop of oil comes out needle and drops into port.

You don't need the needle. Just drop the oil as far into the compression chamber as possible (the cupped seal that closes on the breech) and stand the rifle in the corner on its butt for an hour to let the oil run into the chamber.

Do this only after one year or 3,000 shots have been fired.

B.B.

 
At December 28, 2007 11:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had an RWS 48 since 1996 but was only used rigorously the first year. It was stored up until about 3 years ago. I have never oiled the mainspring. Looking at the manual, I have no idea how to get to it. Do I need to remove the stock? Thanks.

 
At December 29, 2007 10:48 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

RWS 48,

Why do you think your mainspring needs oil? Does it make crunching sounds when you cock the rifle?

To oil the mainspring the stock must come off the gun. There is a hole under the spring tube through which a small section of the mainspring can be seen. This is the only way to oil the spring of this gun without disassembly.

B.B.

 
At January 30, 2008 8:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have recently purchased a Diana/RWS 46 (My first air rifle) and I also am wondering if you have to remove the stock to oil the mainspring, as suggested for the model 48? Also I have a RWS 4x mounted and every time I get it zeroed in and put it away, the next time I pick it up it needs to be re-sighted in. I am using the Meistergugelns. Everything is tight, so is this scope an example of Chineese junk, or what?

 
At January 30, 2008 8:36 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

RWS 46,

There are too many questions for me to answer. You probably do have a scope problem, but not a broken scope. Your problem is in the mounting. Please read my articles about scope mounting in the articles section of this website.

I'm on an extended trip and cannot answer you better until Feb. 14. Can you please contact me then?

Try Crosman Premier pellets...7.9 grains. They should shoot better than the Meisters.

B.B.

 

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