Thursday, December 07, 2006

Rifle stock terms

B.B. Pelletier

I'm doing the blog just for myself. That's not entirely true; I'm really doing it to save my sanity. When I answered a recent question about a common stock shape, I wondered what the internet might have to say on the subject, so I Googled the term "Monte Carlo." One tactical site showed a stock without a Monte Carlo comb but with a high rollover cheekpiece, and they were telling people that the high rollover cheekpiece they were showing was a Monte Carlo shape! If that's the best the internet can do, it's time we explained a few simple and somewhat common rifle stock terms.

Stock terms
Let's learn the right names for the parts of a stock.


These are the correct terms for the parts of a buttstock.


Monte Carlo
The Monte Carlo stock is characterized by a high comb that drops to a lower line near the butt. A former ruler of Monte Carlo popularized this shape in the mid-20th century when scopes came into widespread use. This shape has an advantage for scope use because it raises the cheek and eye up to better alignment with the scope.


Though it's less common than it was in the 1950s, it is still possible to have a Monte Carlo stock profile without a raised cheekpiece. The stepped comb is what makes it a Monte Carlo.



This is the most common form of Monte Carlo stock. The raised cheepiece is combined with the Monte Carlo profile.


Cheekpiece
A raised cheekpiece is a projection of the stock on the side where the shooters face touches the stock. Cheekpieces can be very low or extremely high, with the Tyrolean cupped cheekpiece found on some German/Austrian offhand target rifles being perhaps the highest of all. A cheekpiece can be combined with a Monte Carlo comb, or it can be on a rifle with a conventional comb, however at this time it is very common for the cheekpiece to extend out from the Monte Carlo comb.


This stock has a raised cheekpiece without the Monte Carlo profile. This profile with the dropped comb is called the Bavarian style. It's not Monte Carlo because the comb isn't high in front and it isn't stepped in the back, it just gently slopes down.


Bavarian stock
A Bavarian-style stock usually has a low cheekpiece, but is characterized by a drop in the line of the comb as it approaches the butt. When Robert Beeman first examined German airguns before he began importing them to the U.S. in the mid-1970s, he found many with Bavarian-style stocks. He imported them in the beginning, but his R-series guns were the same guns restocked with a more Western-style stock having a straight comb or a Monte Carlo comb.

This was a brief look at stock shapes and terms. I don't want to bore anyone with stuff like this, but there is more to show, such as the various types of checkering, stippling and so on. If there is interest, I will do more reports like this.

29 Comments:

At December 07, 2006 5:44 AM, Blogger turtle said...

I'm embarrased to say I had it wrong...so it wasn't boring to me anyways.

 
At December 07, 2006 8:17 AM, Blogger Markus said...

Thank You BB,

I waited for this kind of blog very long. It makes gun discriptions a little clearer. Which different forearm styles do you know?

Markus

 
At December 07, 2006 8:38 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Markus and Turtle,

I'm glad you liked it. As to forearms, there are beavertail, semi-beavertail, splinter and some others that have no name I am aware of. There are things like the schnabel end cap, as will.

I may do more on stocks and I'd like to do something on checkering patterns, as well. But let's wait to see what other people think.

B.B.

 
At December 07, 2006 10:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Checkering patterns would be nice. I have recently started a checkering project on one of my stocks. Very tedious work. Assuming all goes well, and so far it has, I will do some more checkering on custom stocks.

 
At December 07, 2006 10:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

nice blog! good reading, not boring at all.

this is the kind of stuff that keeps me checking in, keep up the great work.

dsw

 
At December 07, 2006 10:59 AM, Blogger airgundoc said...

Very interesting!
Might I suggest that you write a book sometime. I'm sure there are enough people reading this blog that it would immediately sellout!
CWI

 
At December 07, 2006 11:20 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

CWI,

Thanks for the suggestion. I am considering a book right now. I think the first one will have to be on scopes and scoping an airgun, because that seems to be the most challenging thing most shooters face.

B.B.

 
At December 07, 2006 1:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

The scopes book would be interesting, but I believe a more general book, with all your blog writing, would have so much more appeal to the general airgunner. I know it does for me. I found this blog rather recently and I'm in hog heaven discovering all the writings you've already done...it's like discovering buried treasure. A straight publishing of all your blogs would be a delight as well as quick to put together, but including your readers' replies and yours to them would be far better, though more tedious to go through perhaps to take out the dross. I guess you'd need to get Pyramid's permission, since technically they own the content. But then Pyramid could sell it, as well as amazon, Borders, etc.

My 2 cents-worth.

-Joe

 
At December 07, 2006 2:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would enjoy reading more about various types of checkering, stippling, etc. It never occurred to me to ask, but what you have told us so far is very interesting.

 
At December 07, 2006 2:44 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Okay,

I guess I will do some additional posts on the subject of stocks and checkering.

B.B.

 
At December 07, 2006 2:44 PM, Anonymous Michael E said...

Dang, as long as you eventually get back to the Whiscombe and 54, I guess you can tell these men about wood stocks.

I love this blog.

 
At December 07, 2006 4:05 PM, Blogger Fabian said...

Really interesting. I will be waiting on more about stocks and checkering patterns.

 
At December 07, 2006 6:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear bb
nice blog. im 14 and new to the world of airguns. my gun experience up to this point has been fairly limited due to my parents descression. i ventured into airsoft a year ago and an now dissapointed at the accuracy after learning airguns cuold pul of such tight groups. anyhoo i have begged to my parents and things are now looking better for an air gun. my parents are paranoid abot identity theft so my only real option is to go in store. sorry let me get to my question. i was in the local Sports Authority and learned they had 2 .22 BENJAMIN 392 by Benjamin Sheridan for only 90 bucks. im somewhat sceptical because it looked like it had been repackaged or remanufactured. my questin is if someone returned this gun would it be fine to buy after being remanufactured. i mean do you think i would have more trouble with this than i would with a new one.also is .22 an exeptable caliber for plinking and targets or would.177 be better?

 
At December 07, 2006 6:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For targets only, .177 might give somewhat better luck, especially indoors. Lots of target shooter prefer them.


I'm interested in more stock info, too!

 
At December 07, 2006 10:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 14 yr old

The 392s that Sports Authority sells on the internet are $155 dollars. So you might be right about these being repackaged rifles. But there's not necessarily anything wrong with a reconditioned rifle.

I'd be sure to ask a sales person whether they're actually remanufactured, or were returned by someone, or damaged in shipping. You can ask to look at them too.

Make sure to determine whether you can return the rifle if there's a problem.

 
At December 08, 2006 9:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Benjamin 392,

A remanufactured gun has been examined by the fasctory and returned to new condition. It has the same warranty as a new one.

A .22 is more expensive because the pellets cost more. That said, I would go for it. The price is fabulous!

B.B.

 
At December 08, 2006 11:32 AM, Anonymous GadgetHead said...

Hi B.B.,

"The scopes book would be interesting, but I believe a more general book, with all your blog writing, would have so much more appeal to the general airgunner..."

I agree almost 100% with Joe's comments. While the Google search on your blog works pretty well I can't even remember how many times I've wished you and Pyramyd Air were offering, at a nominal fee, an organized (by topic) annual booklet/compilation of your articles!

On the other hand, I must agree with you. A book dedicated to the peculiarities of using telescopic sights on various kinds of airguns is sorely needed.

Heck, correctly mounting/using open and peep sights ain't easy when one doesn't fully understand various sight pictures, airgun pellet ballistics, the effect of barrel droop, etc., etc.

And, yes, I'd like to read as much as you want to write, about air rifle stocks!

Cheers,
GH

 
At December 08, 2006 12:09 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

GH,

As always, you've given me lots to think about.

B.B.

 
At December 08, 2006 6:18 PM, Anonymous dlb said...

speaking of books..

You might be interested in LuLu - they're a publishing and distribution service, but don't require a minimum print run.

i.e. You could upload the pages of this blog, do a bit of layout, and have it bound and printed. I'd priced a 200 page paperback in B/W for about $8.50 a copy, 100 pages is $6.50.

They also provide some retail integration and IIRC internet sales through Amazon.

 
At December 09, 2006 8:15 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

dlb,

Thanks. I have been contacted by several e-publishers like LuLu.

B.B.

 
At December 11, 2006 3:00 PM, Blogger dbarr said...

I have to agree with GH.

.22 multi-shot

 
At December 15, 2006 11:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was wondreing if anybody knew about the quality of nortica or bsa rifles

 
At December 16, 2006 9:03 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Norica airgun are Spanish and are approximately the same quality as Gamo. BSA rifles are one of the two finest brands made in the UK. They are equivalent to Weihrauch in quality. BSA barrel are one of the two finest in airgunning, with Lothar Walther being the other. Of course that list doesn't include Anschuts and FWB because they typically don't supply barrels as an OEM, except for a few Anschutz contracts.

B.B.

 
At December 16, 2006 10:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB

I was thumbing through the misc. accessories on the website, and came across the Beeman Pell seat. It claims to fix the irregularities in the skirt of each pellet. Does these irregular skirts cause that much more drag, and turbulance in the pellet? I was wondering if maybe you could go over different skirt types/lengths, and how they are supposed to affect performance. Also, does this product even work that good?


Thanks,
Phil

 
At December 17, 2006 10:04 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Phil,

You have just suggested an excellent topic for this blog.

See you Thursday of the coming week.

 
At December 17, 2006 9:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

One more quick question. I have decided on a Beeman GH950. According to Pyramid Air's specs, this gun has a relatively light trigger pull at just 1.5lbs. It is made by Norica, and has "12 groove" rifling. From my little knowledge of firearms, the more grooves, and rate of twist a gun has, the more accurate it should be. Would this be a decent gun for hunting Squirrels?

 
At December 18, 2006 7:31 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Beeman 950,

No to the number of grooves and twist rate. It has to be RIGHT, but not necessarily more or faster.

Yes, you can hut squirrel at the range at which you can hit a quarter.

B.B.

 
At October 06, 2007 7:47 AM, Blogger andreas said...

B.B.

Where can I find cheekpiece raisers? Are there such accesories that elevate the cheekpiece (like having an adjustable cheekpiece) ?

Thanks

 
At October 06, 2007 9:26 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Cheekpiece risers,

Curiously, one just fell out of a box in my garage! It was made and sold years ago. They aren't popular items, so they come and go.

The one that has stuck around the longest is the lace-on type made for the M1 Garand, for snipers in WWII. It's been in continuous production all my life.

Try looking for it at

cheaperthandirt.com

B.B.

 

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