Monday, April 09, 2007

Daisy No. 100 Model 38

by B.B. Pelletier

When you hear the name "Daisy," I bet you don't think of a single-shot BB gun. Most people probably think of the popular Red Ryder Daisy has made since 1938. But, there were plenty of single shots in the early Daisy lineup, starting with the first models in 1888. By the turn of the century, Daisy had added a lot of repeaters, but single-shots were still very prevalent. However, after World War I, the repeater ruled the day and single-shots were not as common.

In 1938, Daisy made a single-shot they called the No. 100 Model 38. It resembled the 1912 Model C made 26 years earlier but stood apart from the typical lever-action construction of the day. Besides the obvious lack of a cocking lever, this rifle has no visible screws. It's held together by rivets.


Daisy's No. 100 Model 38 is a simple single-shot BB gun that looks different than the traditional Red Ryder. It was made for younger children and also to be cheap.


Fixed sights
This was a budget BB gun, so the sights are fixed with no pretense of adjustability. In fact, the rear sight also serves to anchor the spring-piston assembly, which was a common way for BB guns to be made at the time. The riveted construction makes this gun a little harder to work on than a more conventional gun with a cocking lever.

To cock the gun, you break down the stock. I've taken a picture to show you how it works. Loading means just dropping a BB down the muzzle. This gun was produced starting in 1938, so it's built for .173" steel BBs - the BBs of today.


Broken open for cocking, the gun shows how much more leverage there was over traditional lever-actions. Though it was a youth gun, the Model 38 was powerful.


The age of the gun also means the piston seal is leather, so you have to keep it well-oiled to keep the power up. There is no oil hole, so drop the oil straight down the barrel and stand the gun on its butt for about an hour. Do that every couple of weeks, or as the power seems to drop.

What kind of power?
This model was made for younger children, but the mechanical advantage of using the whole butt as a cocking lever means it can be powerful. And it is! Mine has an air leak in the compression chamber because the tack-welded outer tube has broken open, and I still get 220-240 f.p.s. A good one will, no doubt, top 300.

Accuracy
My gun is not one to go by since it leaks air, but I get reasonable BB gun accuracy from it. I don't shoot it enough to really know the gun, but I'm sure little boys who shot their guns every day got pretty good with them.

Cost
It wasn't an expensive gun when it was new and it's still very affordable today. You should be able to find one in very good condition for $100 or less. I paid $50 for mine because of the damage. An equivalent grade of lever-action from the same time frame would bring $150 or more.

I have to admit that I never saw one of these when I was a kid in the 1950s. It wasn't until I started attending airgun shows that I saw my first one, but they aren't rare. You can always find several at any good collector's show. I admired them for many years before getting this one. Now, I'm thinking I should get a fully functioning gun to really give it a test.

Any of you old boys out there ever have one?

35 Comments:

At April 09, 2007 6:47 AM, Anonymous Bob said...

Off topic:
Any idea when the Mendoza peep you mentioned in a previous post is going to be available and what it will cost?
thanks

 
At April 09, 2007 12:46 PM, Blogger Don said...

B.B. Off Subject: I was contemplating buying a Crosman Nightstalker but the 7lb trigger bothers me. I know that you and TG have commented previously about the gun but am I right to be so concerned?

 
At April 09, 2007 1:15 PM, Blogger dm20 said...

i read thru the spring gun tune section and their comments, but i cant seem to find anyone who asked, so here goes:
my gun is lubed about well enough, so all i need is to damp the vibration. can i buy some tar, and push it into the cocking slot in the action, without any disassembly? will using this much tar slow the velocity, and will it cause it to shift forward in the reciever?

i ask the last question, because, i tried a little experiment. i bought a dollar store dart gun, tore it apart, switched out the spring for the one from an electric airsoft pistol, and embedded the entire spring in petroleum jelly.
it all moved out of the "transfer port", leaving none on the spring. it collected in the "barrel". can this occur with velocity tar?

 
At April 09, 2007 1:51 PM, Blogger SquirrelKiller said...

Hello B.B.,

Off topic subject/question -

Long time lurker, first time poster.


I would like to compliment you in the blog. I have made alot of purchases I have been happy with based on your opinions, and believe I have avoided some bad buys also.

One of the purchases the blog helped steer me toward was the .177 caliber Gamo CFX. I love this gun!!! One of the reasons I love it is because its an "underlever" (fixed-barrel), and definitely because of the price-to-satisfaction ratio. I am deadly accurate, with the help from your tips on how to hold and shoot a "springer".

Now I am hooked, and I am looking for a .22 caliber underlever.


This brings me to my questions:

1) Where are they? Gamo doesn't distribute the .22cal/5.5mm CFX in the US (which I would buy in a heart-beat; currently looking outside the US without any luck in finding someone to ship me one). Also, the Hammerli Nova, and the Norica Quick, do not appear to be distributed in the US in .22cal/5.5mm versions. All three of these are moderately priced choices, within the $200 - $300 range. I know there is the Diana RWS 460 magnum, but its a bit pricey at $500+. Plus, it seems like I have read problematic issues concerning the Diana RWS 300R and 46 models, that make me nervous about buying a pricey lemon, regardless of their reputation.

2) I am pleased with the quality of Gamo products. How do the Hammerli and Norica products stack up? I read somewhere that the Hammerli Nova is just a re-badged Norica Quick.

3) Why does is seem as if .22cal/5.5mm underlevers are not readily available in the US? There are plenty of break-barrel, and pre-charged .22/5.5mm out there to chose from, therefore, I can't see it being a safety issue. Is Pyramid catering to particular models, by not importing/distributing/offering other models with similar characteristics.

4) Do you know of, or deal with, any "out of the country" distributors" that are reliable, trustworthy, and have experience with shipping air guns (namely Gamo/Hammerli/Norica products) to customers in the US. I have actually called an ATF agent, and he has confirmed that airguns are not "fire-arms", and the US government should have no issue with them coming into our borders. I have emailed Gamo distributors in Spain, Australia, and New Zealand, and they all have taken a "hands-off" approach.

5) How do you communicate to airgun manufacturers that there is a market for these guns in the US, and they should at least allow for special order through distributors they deal with here? And also, even though wood stocks are great, there are plenty of guys who want a rugged, "all element friendly" composite synthetic stock.


I know this is a lengthy post/question, but its my first time out. I've been lurking for a while, so I've been saving up.

Any answers to these questions would be appreciated, and feel free to take me down another path to manufacturers or models I haven't mentioned.

Thank you for your time in this matter.

 
At April 09, 2007 2:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Squirrelkiller,

I have the AA Tx200 in 0.22 that is great killing squirrels at 735fps. Smooth and sweet.

Look at the BAM B40 .22 Air Rifle and BB's comments on this gun on this blog. It is a lot less than the Tx200 but comes very close to performance as I have read from BB. You can see this gun on Pyramyd and get it in 0.22 and I believe it would be closer to what you mentioned on price range.

KTK

 
At April 09, 2007 2:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Squirrelkiller,
I agree with KTK, but don't get the TX200. If you do, you'll throw your CFX in the river. Seriously, it is that much better.

MCA

 
At April 09, 2007 2:59 PM, Blogger SquirrelKiller said...

KTK,

I appreciate the advice about the TX200 and the B40. I had read B.B.'s posts on these before.

I just can't get into the Chinese B40, even if it showed favorable results. Chinese are not known for their barrels, and workmanship is crude. B.B. might have gotten the best apple out of the bunch. Plus, to me, its ugly as sin (lol; like my guns just like my women, nice lines and good to look at).

The only underlever .22 that caught my eye was the Diana RWS 460 magnum. I will reach that far in price if necessary, but would rather hear from B.B. on what he knows about the Hammerli or Norica guns, and whether he knows of how to acquire these and/or the Gamo CFX in .22 (even from out of the country if necessary).

Thanks again, KTK

 
At April 09, 2007 3:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and your cfx is more purdy than a tx200...me think not...LOL

Too bad for you that you dont live in europe, here we can buy all gamos models in .22 also the CFX and brand new hunter 1250s in .22...

 
At April 09, 2007 3:42 PM, Blogger SquirrelKiller said...

Details....details...

Keep in mind I never criticized the lines of the TX200 only the B40. B40 is too plain jane... The accuracy is always in the details...lol..

 
At April 09, 2007 4:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"too bad you don't live in Europe" is not a line I ever thought I would hear to win an argument about who has better shooting sports. Keep your stupid Gamos.

 
At April 09, 2007 5:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just informed him that you can buy .22 gamos in europe..
Besides, all quality airguns made in europe.
American airguns is often stamped sheetmetal.

Buy weihrauch instead.

 
At April 09, 2007 5:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi bb
i have a few questions i hope you can answer about the crossman 1077
yes i did read both reviews

1. what is the maximum range you can shoot say 2 inch groups? in other words do you think you could push it out to around 150 feet?

2. can you remove the front sight for use with a scope and reinstall it later?

3. would this rifle be a good alternative to a higher priced rifle to learn to shoot informal target?

4. how long will it take to beak in the trigger if i happen to get a bad trigger. also will cycling the trigger to break it in were out the hammer spring or do internal damage?

5. what do you think about mounting a cheap leapers 4 by 32 scope on it?
thanx for your advice

Field Targetier

 
At April 09, 2007 5:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have head several comments on paint in the benji's barrel. There is paint about a 1/2 into my barrel. Does it really effect accuracy. My gun isn't shooting what i hoped it would. How does on remove the paint if necessary. Also what's up with the cheap sight screws that break.

thanks
hb

 
At April 09, 2007 5:37 PM, Blogger SquirrelKiller said...

Field Targetier,

Concerning your question #2 (I'm assuming you mean rear-sight), on my Crosman 1077 I just unscrewed it and turned in around 180 degrees, and reattached it. That way I would have plenty of room to attach my scope, and wouldn't lose it, in case I removed my scope and needed it in the future.

 
At April 09, 2007 5:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

squirell killer
thanks i was also talking about the front sight to give it a smoother look. thanks for the input

Field Targetier

 
At April 09, 2007 11:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
So I heard that the micrometer tank gets 40 shots at highest power setting for a talon ss. How is that different than the standard talon tank? I thought the whole purpose is to produce more consistent shots with the micrometer tank.

 
At April 10, 2007 2:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HB,
I got much better accuracy from(C9A)this gun has after the paint was removed. With a thin wooden dowel you can push a pellet trough the barrel on a disassembled gun and actually feel the resistance when it reaches the paint. I also did find out that the best accuracy is not available at the 8 pump level however. Mine likes 5 pumps, using Sheridan’s 0.20 Diablo Pellets (now no longer available,) for best paper punching accuracy. Some of my groups are 0.3-0.58” c-t-c shooting from 48 ft. end of muzzle to paper. My basement is 55’ long. Only my Tx200 shoots this good or better and it has a 3-9x -40mm Leapers scope on it vs. just the peep on the Sheridan!!! My RWS 34 and 350 both can have better groups if I could since theses springers give me at least 1 or 2 flyers per group that spoil a decent group. The Sheridan and Tx200 can give me consistent groups all day long.

-- As for the paint removal:
I used Lacquer Thinner and had some success but need to augment it with Kwikeeze Brush Cleaner. Using Q-tips and a lot of elbow grease while holding the barrel down to avoid anything going up in the air transfer port you can slowly remove the black paint. It took me 60 minutes and about 15-20 Q-tips. At first nothing seems to come out but after some time and rubbing the black starts to appear on the Q-Tips. Be careful not to rub the stems of the Q-tips against the crown too much. You will Feel the difference as it is removed.

Best of luck.

KTK

 
At April 10, 2007 3:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ktk
thanks for the tip. hopefully ill get around to doing it soon. i was wondering how in the world you could do remove it so thanx

Field Targetier

 
At April 11, 2007 10:54 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Micrometer tank,

You will get HUNDREDS of shots with this tank. Where did you hear only 40? That's a standard tank rating. The MM tank shoots very slowly and even high power isn't that fast.

That was all reported in this blog. Did you read the report?

B.B.

 
At April 11, 2007 4:57 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Don,

My NS had a 6-lb. trigger.

B.B.

 
At April 11, 2007 4:59 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

dm20,

Disassemble the gun to apply the tar. There is no laproscopic work being done on airguns.

B.B.

 
At April 11, 2007 5:02 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

First time [poster,

Huh?

Please ask one question at a time. I would have to write a book to answer you series of questions.

B.B.

 
At April 11, 2007 5:11 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Field Targetier,

Yes, cycling the trigger does break it in on the 1077. As for the 50-yards groups, two inches might be possible on a dead calm day.

It is unnecessary to remove the front sight as the scope cannot see it.

Question three answers itself.

An inexpensive Leapers scope will do well.

B.B.

 
At April 11, 2007 6:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somebody asked you how many full power shots do you get on a condor with micrometer tank, you said 35~40 shots. It's on the Thursday, March 08, 2007 blog.

 
At April 11, 2007 6:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another question on the micrometer tank. If it's not 35~40 shots full power on a condor, how many shots do you get with full power on Condor and talon ss?

 
At April 12, 2007 6:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Can the tophat on the micrometer tank be adjusted? Thanks.

 
At April 12, 2007 8:11 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You get HUNDREDS with the MM tank! The gun really doesn't matter, because not amount of power can overpower the MM valve.

Yes the tophat can be adjusted, but I have no info on what will happen.

B.B.

 
At April 12, 2007 8:16 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I read my answers on Mar 8, 2007, and I was referring to the number of shots a Talon SS gets on high power. I cannot find a reference to that number of shots for the MM tank.

Had I said it, that would have been in err. The MM tank does get hundreds of shots.

B.B.

 
At December 26, 2008 12:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got one of these rifles from my grandma for christmas, it was given to her when she was younger. I have a few questions about it

1. Would .177 " pellets still fire from it?

2. What do I do if it needs repairs?

 
At December 26, 2008 10:44 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

This is a BB gun. A .177 pellet is too large for the bore.

If you need repairs, contact this man:

Jim Coplen, PO Box 7297, Rochester, MN. 55903 (507)281-2314.
5522 Clearwater Rd. Rochester, MN 55901

B.B.

 
At December 26, 2008 12:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My only problem is I can't seem to find anywhere that sells .173" bbs. The modern bb guns have .177" caliber bbs.

 
At December 26, 2008 12:37 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

ALL modern steel BBs are 0.173" in diameter. They boxes may SAY .177, but the BBs inside are .173."

And .177 pellets are actual;ly .177."

B.B.

 
At December 26, 2008 12:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh alright
I just mixed up the word pellets and bbs
thank you for your help

 
At December 26, 2008 1:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, one more question
What kind of oil would you put in the barrel?

 
At December 26, 2008 2:52 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Daisy 38,

I wouldn't put any oil in the barrel. I would put regular petroleum oil down the air transfer port behind the barrel (when it is closed), and stand the gun on its butt for an hour. Put in 5-10 drops and the leather seal on the piston will get soft and supple. That gives the gun the most power it is capable of.

B.B.

 

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