Tuesday, May 31, 2005

Synthetic-skirted (saboted) pellets and accuracy

By B.B. Pelletier

Today’s posting is an answer to a question from one of our readers:

I heard saboted pellets don't work very well in some airguns because of the barrel being choked. Is that true?

Can a synthetic skirt be accurate?
I can only give you my personal observations on this question, plus the scant material I’ve read and seen. I've not had good luck achieving the same level of accuracy using pellets with synthetic skirts (what our reader and some manufacturers refer to as sabots) as I have with homogenous, pure lead pellets. Ten years ago, synthetic-skirted pellets were not very accurate at all. They were relatively new to the airgun scene and certain manufacturing problems I’ll discuss in a moment weren't properly addressed.

Top-quality synthetics are better today
Today, the picture has changed greatly. Top-quality synthetic-skirted pellets are now very uniform, and accuracy has improved quite measurably. That said, there are still some brands of synthetic-skirted pellets that do not measure up to the high standards of the makers I am going to mention. Therefore, what I’m about to say only applies to the specific brands I mention.

Prometheus was a pioneer
Prometheus was an early developer of synthetic-skirted pellets. Initially, they marketed their pellets as the fastest pellets on the market, because, indeed, with the combination of their light weight and their low-friction synthetic skirts, they proved faster than any lead pellets around. But that nearly sank the company! They caused British spring guns that had been below the legal UK limit of 12 foot-pounds to suddenly exceed it!

Accuracy was such an issue with the early synthetics that Prometheus did a huge amount of R&D to correct it. The problem resides in the two-part projectile. A synthetic pellet is made from a hard metal core and a lightweight synthetic skirt that surrounds and contains the core. Unless the pellet is very uniform, it will not be accurate. It's more difficult to marry two dissimilar parts, the core and the skirt, into one than it is to form homogeneous lead into a precision projectile.

Prometheus finally made an accurate saboted pellet!
Prometheus persisted and by the late 1990s they had a pellet that was very consistent. They even made a promotional video showing shot groups with large numbers of pellets going through very respectable groups at decent distances of 25 yards and more.

Skenco pellets are very accurate!
I've tested almost all of the different types of saboted pellets made by Skenco and found them to be very accurate. They've got quite a variety to choose from, including some long-range .177 pellets heavy enough for some of the more powerful springers.

In the final analysis, I must say that top-quality homogeneous lead pellets are more accurate than synthetic-skirted ones. It isn’t because of the choke at the end of the barrel, but because of the two-part construction of synthetic pellets compared to more uniform lead pellets.

18 Comments:

At May 31, 2005 10:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just my $0.02

I have been using the type 3 pellets in my gun (Winchester1000B) and I can honestly say I am very impressed. At 20 yards the rounds groups equal to several other pellets ranging from 7.1 to 8.5 grains. The only real differene I noticed is an increase in penatration power, I would assume due to the non-lead core.

AR

 
At May 31, 2005 6:12 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Well, now, thanks for weighing in! That's why we have this comment section - so my voice isn't the only one that's heard.

I have to agree that the hard core is the reason for your increase in penetration. I didn't think about that aspect.

How about you other shooters who have experience with synthetic skirt pellets telling us about it?

B.B.

 
At June 03, 2005 8:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey BB,
Thanks for answerng my question.
About sabot pellets.
But i have another about sabot pellets?
How well do they work in gas ram guns?
And pump ups and PCP guns?

 
At June 04, 2005 6:17 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Synthetics are light, so I wouldn't use them in a gas spring gun unless the power was adjusted low enought that the pellet would be less than supersonic. A 12 foot-pound Fenman might be okay, but a full-bore Eliminator might be a bit too powerful for a pellet that's probably going to be much faster than the lightest lead pellet.

In multi-pumps and PCPs you can usually control the velocity these days, so synthetics would be easier to control.

I can't think of any reason they would be bad in any of the guns you mentioned, other than velocity possibly getting out of hand.

Oh, and some gun-makers like AirForce specifically recommend against their use because they leave a deposit of plastic in the bore (it's in their owner's manual).

B.B.

 
At June 05, 2005 3:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Again so a Benjman 392 pump up?
at full power 177 at 800Fps would alright?

 
At June 05, 2005 4:53 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Sure. Give it a try.

B.B.

 
At July 02, 2005 5:19 AM, Anonymous Phil said...

I get slightly better accuracy from Skenco sabots as I get from lead pellets out of my Gamo 1000, but they sure ding up my pellet trap a lot more.

I started using them because they are made of zinc instead of lead. I'll keep using them because of the accuracy.

 
At July 02, 2005 8:59 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Phil,

Accuracy is the best reason to keep using a pellet. Thanks for the feedback.

B.B.

 
At August 25, 2005 4:31 AM, Anonymous cregg said...

I've used the Skenco "hyper-velocity lead-free Type 2" sabots in my Baikal IZH-61 several times. But I recently stopped because I've been wondering: what metal are they composed of and will it damage the rifled bore of my gun?

 
At August 25, 2005 4:44 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Cregg,

The metal in the Skenco pellets is harder than lead, but it never touches the bore of a barrel because the plastic skirt keeps it away. Skenco pellets will not hurt the bore of a rifled airgun.

B.B.

 
At August 25, 2005 8:18 PM, Blogger john1989 said...

hello i was wondering if any of u in here knows if the Skenco Pellets will work on the walther nighhawk the one which has a revolving magazine with 8 shots plz email be at aek_master@hotmail.com or answer and this page

 
At August 25, 2005 8:18 PM, Blogger john1989 said...

hello i was wondering if any of u in here knows if the Skenco Pellets will work on the walther nighhawk the one which has a revolving magazine with 8 shots plz email be at aek_master@hotmail.com or answer and this page

 
At August 25, 2005 8:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They will not work in Umarex magazines.

 
At August 25, 2005 8:28 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

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At January 05, 2006 12:02 PM, Blogger deputy154 said...

I wish they were made in 5mm/.20 cal...

 
At May 14, 2007 3:33 PM, Anonymous Steve Hendrix said...

I was just tring to sight in a Gammo Hunter using Skenco typ 3 and Beeman Silver arrow pellets. I was seated at 25 yards with no steady rest. Ten round groups with the beeman pellets fit in about 1.5 inches, the Skencos about 4 inches. I was surprised to see that the Skenco pattern was about 6 inches below and 6 inches to the left of the beeman pattern. I know springer rifles are tricky but this seems like a large mean shift between pellets. I have not tried other pellets. Is this much difference typical?

 
At May 14, 2007 3:37 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Steve,

That is a large difference, but it may be due to velocities at the opposite ends of the spectrum. The Skencos are a mid-weight synthetic, while the Silver Arrows are heavyweights. A longer dwell time in the barrel allows the rifle to move more in recoil before the pellet exits the muzzle.

B.B.

 
At May 30, 2007 4:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone interested in buying Sussex Sabot Boxes from the 80's? as I accquired the entire mnt conditon stock on the cessation of production in the UK in the 1980's. Boxes of 100 pellets + pencil aaptor available. Email me at sussexsabo@hotmail.co.uk showing interest and quantity required. Appearing on ebay.co.uk

 

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