Thursday, November 26, 2009

Crosman Challenger 2009 Target Rifle - Part 5

by B.B. Pelletier

Part 4
Part 3
Part 2
Part 1

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Crosman Challenger 2009 target rifle has awakened a large segment of shooters!


Today is adjustment day for the Crosman Challenger 2009. Can you believe the last report was back on October 1st?

I mentioned in Part 4 that I would return and adjust the rifle for a specific pellet. And in Part 3 I mentioned that my test shot string of 100 shots had a 34 f.p.s. deviation. That's important to remember, as today I'm going to try to stretch that just a bit.

Trigger adjustment
Before I get to the velocity adjustment, though, I first want to cover the trigger. Back when I did the Benjamin Marauder test, I didn't adjust the trigger because it was already so good from the factory. But the Challenger 2009 is a target rifle, and it's pretty important to have the trigger adjusted well on a target rifle.

There are four adjustments on this trigger. They are the location of the trigger blade, first-stage travel, second-stage travel and the weight of the trigger-pull. When adjusting the first stage travel you affect the second-stage travel as well, so adjust those two together.


Crosman Challenger 2009 trigger is very adjustable.


My trigger felt light but had an extremely long second stage pull. When I put the trigger-pull gauge on it, it measured 3 lbs., 2 oz. That's quite a bit heavier than I imagined it would be. I adjusted the weight of the pull to go down as low as it would go and got a 1 lb., 12 oz. pull. Then, the adjustment screw and the trigger-pull-weight spring fell out, and the trigger still measured 1 lb., 12 oz. So, Crosman has adjusted the rifle so it will never go below the sporter-class mandatory 1 lb., 8 oz. limit.


When I adjusted the trigger-pull weight, the screw fell out of its hole, along with the spring that controls the pull weight. The trigger still had a legal amount of pull.


I turned the second-stage screw counterclockwise until the second-stage pull had no perceptible movement. During the trigger-pull, the trigger blade stopped at stage two and then broke cleanly without any sense of movement. Following the release, the spring pressure on the trigger increases to such an extent that it feels like a positive trigger stop when you're squeezing off the shot. You can still pull the trigger blade backwards if you try, but the heavier weight after the sear releases feels like a positive trigger overtravel stop. At this point, the trigger was adjusted perfectly to suit me.

Velocity adjustment
You can adjust the length of the hammer stroke and the tension on the hammer. The shorter the stroke, the less air that escapes and vice-versa. The greater the tension on the hammer spring, the harder the hammer hits the valve and the more air that escapes. And vice-versa!


The knurled knob adjusts the hammer spring tension. Long Allen wrench adjusts the length of the hammer stroke.


Oh, my! You can control BOTH the length of the hammer stroke and the tension on the hammer spring. And each one affects velocity. So, which one do you adjust first?

What do you want to do?
I wanted to increase the number of usable shots by decreasing the average velocity. But how much did I have to drop to get a good long string with the least velocity variation?

The manual gives guidance for default settings of both adjustments, but that doesn't answer my question. And nobody can answer my question, because these are two interrelated but separate adjustments that affect one another. You may adjust either one or both adjustments and get an initial velocity change, but how do you know if that change is what you really want? There's only one way to know. You have to shoot the gun from a fresh fill until it drops in velocity below your minimum criterion. And YOU have to pick that criterion! If you're reading this report the way I intended, you are now seeing that this process is practically infinite. Yet, getting through it isn't nearly as cumbersome or confusing as it sounds. You just have to turn off your brain and stop trying to guess what will happen.

Here's what I did
I decided to adjust both the hammer stroke and the hammer spring tension at the same time. Since I didn't know what I was doing, I put a full clockwise turn on the hammer stroke screw and a full turn counterclockwise on the hammer spring tension adjuster. I didn't know what the whole outcome of my adjustments would be. The owner's manual specified what each adjustment would do, but nothing can tell you what the whole shot string will do. That takes experience.

The challenge
Following a fresh fill to 2,000 psi, I chronographed the first shot from the rifle with H&N Finale Match pellets at 560 f.p.s., which was very close to the average I'd gotten in an earlier test (556 f.p.s.). In that test I had gotten 72 total shots within 18 f.p.s. from Gamo Match pellets, and I guess I also got a 100-shot string that had 34 f.p.s.total spread but I don't know which pellet that was. But that was what I set out to beat. I wanted to get better than 100 shots in a string, or a 100-shot string with a variation lower than 34 f.p.s.

After the first adjustment (one turn in on the hammer stroke, one turn out on the hammer spring tension) the velocity was 540 f.p.s. I thought that was still too fast, so I adjusted the gun a second time. This time it came out with a shot at 532 f.p.s. That was just a trifle above what I was looking for, so I took it. The test was now underway, and the first two shots were included.

Mind-numbing!
I don't have the ballistic printer for my Chrony like I told you about yesterday, so when I record any shot string, I have to write all the numbers down. A 100-shot string is mind-numbing, to say the least.

The Challenger 2009 went on and on--far longer than I thought it would. Remember, I was getting 72 shots at 560 f.p.s. before adjustment. How much more would come from dropping the speed by a paltry 28 f.p.s.? I had hoped for over 85 shots when this test began, but the rifle was still pumping them out at shot 100. Finally, shot 117 dropped below my criterion of 29 f.p.s. total spread. So, there were an amazing 116 shots in the string that averaged 545 f.p.s.

How did I select the criterion of 29 f.p.s.? I didn't. The gun did. After that first slow shot of 528 f.p.s., the velocity started increasing. The increase was slow but inexorable, until, at shot 64, the velocity climbed to 557 f.p.s., which was as high as it would go. At that point, 29 f.p.s. separated the high from the low, so I decided to keep on shooting until the velocity dropped below that of the slowest shot--528. Had the top number been higher, I would have accepted it and had a larger total velocity variation. Can you see that I am not controlling anything at this point? I'm just keeping a record of what's happening.

If you're very sharp, you also picked up on the fact that the starting velocity of 528 f.p.s. is not the average of this string. It was actually 545. So, I didn't actually lower the velocity of the gun by 28 f.p.s., as I said earlier. I lowered it by just 15 f.p.s. And that was all it took to increase the shot string from 100 shots with a 34 f.p.s. variation to 116 shots with a 29 f.p.s. variation. I accomplished both my goals on the first try.

Do you think I could do even better than that? Probably. But I'll leave that chore to you guys. Each of you wants something different from his gun; and as long as you keep it reasonable, the Challenger 2009 can deliver. Remember, it does all of this on a fill of just 2,000 psi.

I'm currently testing the AirForce Edge, which is within a week or two--at the most--of coming to market. As soon as I know when the gun will be available, I'll start reporting on it.

18 Comments:

At November 26, 2009 7:46 AM, Anonymous Mr B. said...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to each of you!

Mr B.

 
At November 26, 2009 7:55 AM, Anonymous twotalon said...

Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

twotalon

 
At November 26, 2009 8:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy Thanksgiving!

Edith

 
At November 26, 2009 9:32 AM, Anonymous Frank B said...

A happy and abundant Thanksgiving to all!!! This blog and all involved,I am very thankful for...Frank B

 
At November 26, 2009 3:02 PM, Anonymous twotalon said...

Anybody shoot their turkey before roasting it for a penetration test in real meat??

twotalon

 
At November 26, 2009 3:18 PM, Blogger kevin said...

twotalon,

Yes, I shot our turkey this year with an airgun. AA S410.

Just one shot. Nonetheless, the people in the grocery store looked at me very strange.

kevin

 
At November 26, 2009 4:24 PM, Anonymous Mr B. said...

two talon,

I'm a single parent and told my kids that I was making it easier to insert the thermometer. Sure dad:)

Mr B.

 
At November 26, 2009 4:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

I see little stacks of miniature pumpkins around to mark the season, and it would be just the thing to pick them off with an airgun, one at a time, without disturbing the ones below.

B.B., always glad to hear about the Challenger and the Challenger/Edge match-up will be one worthy of the holidays. How is that t-shaped bolt working for you? It does look cramped under the rear sight and like it would be difficult to work.

I'm surprised to see that there is a steady increase in velocity in a shot string. I guess I never paid attention to the strings of chrony numbers. I thought you had valve lock, then steady velocity, then decline. The increase in velocity adds undesirable variability, but maybe at 10 meters--especially with the slow rate of increase--it doesn't matter. 100+ shots per fill is a pumper's dream.

Matt61

 
At November 26, 2009 7:13 PM, Anonymous Joe B. on Maui said...

Hi Kevin,

I've just never understood why people get so excited when you bring a gun into the grocery store. Where do they think all those turkeys come from, anyway?

Anyway, HAPPY TURKEY DAY to all. We've got about 65 people coming here for dinner in about 45 minutes. Time to get back to making the smashed potatoes.

 
At November 26, 2009 8:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A.F. Edge.....yeah right.

 
At November 26, 2009 9:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy Thanksgiving to Mr and Mrs BB + all the blog readers! :-)

G.

 
At November 26, 2009 11:22 PM, Blogger ajvenom said...

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!

When I shoot my Discovery indoors I adjust down to 10-12 ftlbs and get about 120 shot. Do I have a chrony? No. But the target will tell me if I have chosen the right pellet and velocity. I always keep a journal of what pellets I use, the adjustments I make and the performance outcomes.

 
At November 27, 2009 1:06 AM, Anonymous Buggy said...

B.B,

You've recommended the Bug Buster scope in the past and I was wondering if there's any difference between the UTG and the Leapers Bug Buster?

Thanks,
Buggy

 
At November 27, 2009 5:22 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Buggy,

Leapers makes UTG, but which UTG are you referring to, when comparing it to the Bug Buster?

B.B.

 
At November 27, 2009 9:41 AM, Anonymous Frank B said...

Can anyone tell me what was supposed to mount underneath the forestock on my FWB 150?? It has about an 8 in. long recessed dovetail groove designed to recieve an accessory of some sort.The rifle is from the late 60s if that helps and was bought in Germany... Frank B

 
At November 27, 2009 10:01 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Frank,

That accessory rail is standard on 10-meter target rifles and is for a hand stop and a sling swivel.

B.B.

 
At November 27, 2009 10:08 AM, Anonymous Frank B said...

Thank you BB for solving my little mystery Frank B

 
At November 27, 2009 12:57 PM, Anonymous Buggy said...

B.B,

Leapers makes a 4x32AO Bug Buster Compact Rifle Scope but UTG also sells another scope with the same specification and even the same model# SCP-432AOMDL2 but a bit cheaper.

Thanks,
Buggy

 

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