Remembering Smith & Wesson's pellet pistols
By B.B. Pelletier
Pyramyd Air gets a lot of inquiries about vintage pellet and BB guns. While they sell the ammunition and gas needed for these guns, they don't sell the guns, themselves, so the most commonly asked question is, "What's it worth?"
Use Blue Book of Airguns as your price guide
The fifth edition of the Blue Book of Airguns, a wonderful used airgun price guide, will be available soon, but I thought I would look at a vintage gun from time to time, just to keep the collector juices flowing for all of us.

Smith & Wesson 78G
These S&Ws are REAL
Many gun makers have sold airguns with their name on them, but few actually made the guns. Smith & Wesson, however, was an exception. In the 1970s, they produced the model 78G (.22 caliber) and 79G (.177) target pistols that were copies of their very popular model 41 target pistol in .22 long rifle. These guns were made in Springfield, Mass., for a short time, then in Florida for the remainder of the time they were produced.
The two pistols are identical except for caliber. They are single-shot and have adjustable sights (all models), and a few early ones had adjustable triggers. Their frames were made from cast potmetal, with steel used where it mattered. They were just as heavy as the firearm they copied and gave their owners a great feeling of satisfaction, similar to the Drulov DU-10 target pistol I wrote about last Friday.
A 78G or 79G should cost you about $125 in excellent condition. Some gun dealers are asking more than $200 for them, but they really don't know much about airguns. These are the same guys who think "Benjamin Franklin" airguns are also worth more than $200. Shop the airgun classified ads to buy vintage airguns at the right prices.

Smith & Wesson M41
They may be old, but they're accurate!
An S&W 78G will be more accurate than the 79G and can rival a Ruger Mark II Target pistol at 50 feet. They aren't quite as accurate as the S&W 41 they copy, but few guns are. The adjustable-trigger version can be adjusted to let off nearly as nice as the model 41. The non-adjustable trigger always has a little creep in the second stage.
They use the same CO2 powerlets as today's airguns, and Crosman Pellgunoil can often get a leaky one working again. If not, there are airgunsmiths who can reseal one for a reasonable price.
Thirty years ago when these airguns were made, the technology was not up to today's standards. An S&W 78G isn't as finely finished as a Drulov, nor does it have a five-shot semiautomatic mechanism. These guns may not have all the bells and whistles of modern airguns, but they're very accurate and will serve you well. The weight and feel is as good as anything made today. If you have a hankering for a vintage airgun, one of these would be a great place to start.
156 Comments:
if i refill an air gas bottle with co2 it will function the same way
Not really.
This is a really good question that I will answer in tomorrow's blog.
Thanks,
B.B.
My Father bought me a Model 78G Smith and Wesson pellet pistol in the late seventies. I believe I was 12 or 13 at the time. I had alot of fun shooting it from time to time and even bought a holster for it. These guns are fun to shoot and I still have mine today. People that I tell about it are interested to see it and shoot it. A lot of people are surprised to hear that Smith and Wesson made a pellet pistol. I enjoyed reading your article and found the information in it very interesting.
Thanks for taking the time to write. Your 78G is a treasure, especially because you are the first and only owner. What a wonderful gift.
B.B.
Thanks for the informative website.
I recently bought a business and took over the existing lease. While cleaning up, I found one of these stashed in a drawer of a cabinet that was buried way in the back. Speaking with the former business owner, he said it wasn't his, and he thought it must have been there when he bought the business in 1978.
It is Model 78G .22 CAL. serial number 122860.
I've never seen an air pellet pistol built like this, so I Googled it.
Does S&W have a contact number to possibly get an owner's manual or some type of exploded diagram?
What's the deal with the cocking mechanism? Do you know of any airgunsmiths in the San Diego county area (Ramona) that I could have check it out before airing it up and firing it? I really don't want to ruin it.
Thanks
You have a wonderful find! I'll try to answer your questions, but some of what you need to know has already been written in this blog. Start with the May 3 posting about the miracle oil - Crosman Pellgunoil. The home site for this posting is www.pyramydair.com Scroll down and find the link on the left side of the home page.
My best recommendation for an airgunsmith is for you to contact Tim McMurray in Gardena. He owns and operates MAC-1 Airguns. Call him at 310-327-3581. I know that's not a short drive, but good airgunsmiths are not as common as regular gunsmiths. Tim can take care of you and he wil;l help you find the parts needed to get your gun back up and running.
The gun cocks by pulling forward on the two ribbed flanges set on either side of the "slide." The first click is low power. Second is high. The trigger will be best on high power.
As for an owner's manual, try S&W. They had a good museum and MAY have a manual to copy for you. Otherwise, watch Ebay.
Good luck with your new gun.
B.B.
Why do you say the 78g is more accurate then the 79g? I was about to purchase a 79g becuase of the cheaper .177 pellets.
Also if you have shot the crosman MKI and II how do they compare?
Thanks.
James,
I say the .22-caliber 78G is more accurate than the .177-caliber 79G because in my experience, it is. Maybe back in the 70s when these guns were made, it was easier to rifle a .22 barrel than a .177. I don't know the answer for certain, I just know what my experience has been.
The Crosman Mark I is more accurate than the S&W 78G. It's also MUCH more accurate than the Mark II, which has a "compromise" barrel that can handle either .177 lead pellets or steel BBs without damaging the rifling.
Crosman .22s have always been very accurate, compared to their .177s. The 160 was a real tack-driver, while the 167 was mediocre. The Crosman 600 pistol is another accurate pistol, buit there is no equivalent .177 to compare it to. The 677 Plink-O-Matic was just a BB repeater and therefore not accurate at all.
B.B.
Thanks for the great info. I didn't realize the mk I was so much more accurate.
Could you go into more detail about the accuracy? Is the mkII able to shoot one hole groups at 10 meters, or are these guns more suited to plinking. I'm particularly interested in the 79g.
How do the old cr's compare to the newer 2240? You should write an article on crosman pistols!
James
James,
I like your idea about a comparison. I'll get right to it. In the meantime, to answer your question about absolute accuracy,
While the Crosman Mark I can shoot one-hole group[s at 10 meters, the Mark II will group a little larger than a quarter, which is to say one-inch groups at the same distance. The rifling in the .177 barrel is not conventional because it's also madce to handle BBs, and I doesn't grab the pellet as well.
B.B.
Have a S&W 79G, but it came in a Daisey box with S&W instruction book. "Daisy Rogers, AK " on the bbl.
J V Taylor
Daisy bought the rights and tooling to make the 78G and 79G from S&W. They produced them under the model numbers 780 and 790 for a while. Then they changed the designb a bit and the final model number was the model 41. If you have a Daisy 78G, it may be an early Daisy gun or a leftover S&W in Daisy packaging.
S&W had become afraid of their adjustable trigger mechanism, so they removed it early in production. Then they made the trigger very stiff. Daisy made it even stiffer, and by the time the model 41 came around, it was in the toy category. All the fine functionality of the original design had been lost.
You have a nice collectible airgun.
B.B.
Just purchased a working Model 79 from an internet dealer at EXACTLY what you consider a fair price. Based on picures it at least in 95 condition . I now realize i have no instructions. Since I will be using it for informal target shooting do you have any pellet and co2 cartridge recomendations? Can I get replacement seals if I need them?
Thanks,
Vic-One
Vic - One,
Congratulations! First, get Crosman Pellgunoil and oil, the tip of every powerlet you put in the gun (for at least the first 5). That will get the internal seals well-oiled again.
Try H&N Match pellets for target shooting. The lightweight pellets should be best, but try them all. RWS R 10 pellets might be pretty good, too.
For general shooting, I would try JSB Exacts (under Bohumin). I mean the domed pellets, but you might try the wadcutters for target, as well.
I would not shoot BBs if I were you. They are too hard and will just wear the bore.
B.B.
I just dug out the 79G that I bought from a friend in the early 70s for $10.00. It must be an early model because it has an adjustable trigger. I always loved the ballance, feel and accuracy of that pistol, so I was terrible disappointed when I pearced the powerlet (the first in about 15 years) and heard all of the co2 escape in about five seconds.
With such a bad leak, is it worth trying the "miracle oil" or should I just bring it to an airgunsmith for repair and use the oil to maintain the new seals?
Also, do you know of a good airgunsmith in the Westchester County (Briarcliff Manor) NY area?
Thanks
Joe,
Glad to hear from you. Yes, your gun is an early one. And ten bucks was a bargain at any time - you lucky guy!
I just bought a 78G with a bad leak and the oil didn"t help it, so I'll guess your gun needs to be resealed like mine.
Tomorrow's post is all about repair centers for vintage guns like yours, so be sure to read it.
I don't know of anyone in your immediate area, but the guys I'll mention are all first-class.
B.B.
I purchased a 78G in the early 1970's and have never regretted it. At the time it was somewhat pricy (about $45). I had no idea that the adjustable trigger was discontinued, as mine has that feature.
The power level on mine is adjusted with a screw adjustment under the barrel, and the two cocking postions are
safe and full cock. Trigger adjustment is an allen screw on the upper most forward portion of the trigger.
The only malfunction was the o-ring for the CO2 chamber, which I easily replaced at an auto professional parts store.
This pistol fuctions and feels more like a firearm than any other air pistol that I have owned. It's a shame that it's no longer produced.
I use it to practice for NRA hunters pistol matches when I can't get out to the range. Using the air pistol sillouettes at 10 meters gives about the saqme sight picture as 3/8 scale targets at the 40 to 100 meters used in small bore hunters pistol.
If you have one, treasure it, they're not making any more.
Bought my one August 2005 in Austria.Trigger adjustable & two cocking postions and working fine!
Only paint get los from grip.
sn Q 045... any idea year of man.?
I can't tell the year from the serial number, but the adjustable trigger pegs an early gun. If you have that, you have an early gun.
B.B.
An update from my previous post. I sent my 79G to one of the 'smiths you recommend in your article and it came back in perfect working order quickly and for less than I anticipated paying. Thanks for the post. I am now having a ball with that old gun and I enjoy using it more than my newer Baretta. When I spoke to the airgunsmith about what to use for lubrication, he said that he uses automatic transmission fluid which preserves the o-rings, and he also mentioned that he believes it is the primary ingredient in Pellgun oil.
Have you or anyone else had experience using automatic transmission fluid for airgun lubrication?
Joe,
Thanks for the feedback.
Yes, ATF is well-known in the airgun community and many believe it is the principle ingrediant in Pellgunoil. I have so much of it that I don't need to buy any for the rest of my life, but if I did, a quart of ATF seems tempting.
B.B.
G'day Folks
Just picked up a 78G .22cal. from the local flea market for $50. I really like this air pistol.I have some .177 and .22 sheridans pump action and this is the first CO2.
Such a sweet action, bloody acurate as well.
I noticed that this has a screw on the front barrel, underneath the top barrel.
Is this the trigger adjustment or what?
I've been firing darts, are these bad for the rifling, is there any other you might recommend.
Cheers
Kim
Kim,
Stop shooting darts! Your pistol has a rifled barrel and the darts will ruin it!
The screw is for power adjustment. In is stronger, out is weaker.
B.B.
I have a smith & wesson model 79G .177 cal that I bought in the mid 70's I've had it resealed a few times but I don't use it much anymore. I have the original box it came in (kind of rough) I'm thinking of selling it. How much is it worth and where is a good place to list it for sale besides ebay
Thanks Greg
Greg,
An excellent gun is worth $125 to 200 in the box. With an adjustable trigger (Allen screw in front of trigger blade) add $30.
A shooter should bring no less than $80.
Sell it on Auction Arms and Gun Broker.com
B.B.
Hello, to Joe- Where did you send your S&W to be resealed and what was the approx price. I may need to have mine done.
regards,
Steve
To the man looking for Joe,
He probably doesn't read this posting anymore. Most readers only read the most recent day or two, unless they have come to a specific post from a search.
Try asking Joe on today's post (Oct 7), and remember that he won't be thinking about the S&W pistol, so you'll have to spell it out for him..
B.B.
Hello Steve,
I sent my pistol to Precision Pellet, (http://www.airgunshop.net/) one of the airgunsmiths recommended by the author of this post. The $35.00 it cost me included re-conditioning the gun and return shipping. Although it is more than what I paid for the gun in 1970, it was well worth it. Before I sent the gun, I spoke with the owner (Rick Willnecker)who was very knowledgeable about my 79G and freely gave advice on care and maintanence of the gun. I am very happy with the quality, value and timeliness of the service and would recommend Precision Pellet. The complete address follows.
Good luck,
Joe
Rick Willnecker
Precision Pellet
37 Stoney Lane
New Park, PA 17352
717-382-1481
717-382-4065 Fax
airgunshop@aol.com
www.airgunshop.net
I can't believe this many people have these guns. I have a 79G that was bought new for my wife to learn to shoot. It has all the adjustments but it leaks badly.Do you know of ant air smiths in the Atlanta area? I love the comments and plan on more vists! thanks again Dave argieshome@earthlink.net
Alan Becker used to fix gas gns in Atlanta, but I don't have any contact info for him.
Rick Wilnecker, who is listed above in the comments section is another good repairman for gas guns.
B.B.
i have a s/w 78g .177 pistol i have had it 35 yr.but it started leak and i can not find any one where i live that can fix it. i live in roy utah 84067. could you help me please. my e-mail is williamroy5@aol.com thank you glen norton
Glen,
Airgunning is mostly mail-order anyway. Call this guy:
Rick Willnecker
Precision Pellet
37 Stoney Lane
New Park, PA 17352
717-382-1481
717-382-4065 Fax
airgunshop@aol.com
www.airgunshop.net
Good luck
B.B.
Hello everybody,
I try to shoot S/W that has not been used for at least 10 years.
A big leak aoccurs at CO2 powerlet replacement.
Before buying spare parts or seal kit, I first need to understand where this leak occurs.
My question is how to separate the frame from the barrel housing. It seems that removing screws is not sufficent.
Thank you for answer
Best regards
Pierre
For previous post the model is S/W 78G.
Pierre
Can anyone provide a recommendation regarding the best way to mount a dot-sight on a 79G?
Thanks.
I have a 1966 crosman Mark 1 target .22 cal pistol with original case, owners manual in very good condition seals were replaced 3yrs ago. looking for some help on putting a value on this
The Blue Book of Airguns lists a range of $55 to 150. I think the high end is too high, but with the leatherette case and the original box, a gun in perfect condition might be worth that. I see guns in the case that I would consider excellent going for $125 at the airgun shows.
The online auctions will be higher, but a lot of those never get takers.
B.B.
BB, Thanks for the info. Have a great new yrs.
Ron
hi bb,
i ordered a new seal kit for my 79g on https://secure.magnet.ch/blueline/kuengairguns.com/shop.html
as nobody would repair my gun here in belgium, i attend to do it myself. the problem is that the top part(i don't know the name in english) doesn't want to loosen from the gun itself.
can you explain me how to dismantle it properly. if you have some pics, my email is: magicalbino@hotmail.com
thanks
albin
albin,
I may have a magazine article that discusses fixing the 79G. If I can find it, I will send you the info I can find.
B.B.
Thank you for the information on the S&W 79G, I have had mine in the original box since I was a kid. I never used oil when I changed CO2's so when I went back to use it, it was leaking air as described by your other posters.
I am going to use the person you recommended in the earlier post to have mine repaired, because it is perfect but for the air running out as soon as I strike the CO 2
Tom
Ronkonkoma NY
To B.B. Pelletier:
I would love to have a copy of an article that references repair of the S&W 78G or 79G. I also have the 77A rifle. Could you pass this info along to me?
Thanks!
Phil (philmo@scn.org)
I also would like to have the information sent along for the 79G. Great site, I had done some searching a couple years ago when my dad sent me his pistol with intent on my finding a fix for the leak. Found nothing of help till now!
Bobby (1eecom@earthlink.net
Bobby and the other guy,
I haven't been able to locate the 79G article. I believe it was in Airgun Hobby magazine, so they might have a back issue to sell.
B.B.
i have a smith and wesson 79g .177 gun the was my dads but i need a new barrel because the old 1 fell out i live in dallsa texas and i would luve to get working agin thanks
Dallas,
Contact Mac-1 Airguns at
http://www.mac1airgun.com/
He operates one of the few repair shops that can make barrels for airguns.
B.B.
do you know the velocities for the S&W 78G and 79G with a new cylinder?
B.B. is out of town. When he returns later this week, he'll answer your questions if no one else has already done so.
B.B.'s assistant
78G velocity,
The 78G was in the 350-375 f.p.s. region. The 79G was in the low 400s with pellets and the high 400s with BBs.
B.B.
I have original 79g in box full documentation manual everything have shot 22 accuracy not as good at any great range because of pellet drop i can hit a coke can from around 200 ft with some compensation for wind and drop i had one issue with the lower c02 assembly oring but fixed it temporarily with vasilene if anyone needs an o-ring try ypur local dive shop they have every seal and o-ring in the world
i meant your local dive shop sorry for the mistake
I found a 79G complete with box and manual in my grandfather's house and he said I could have it. From the looks of it I would guess that it hasn't been fired in upwards of 20 years. I haven't put any co2 in it yet. Is there anything that I should know or do before I shoot with it? Also, does it require any cleaning or oiling.
Thanks,
Matthew
Matthew,
What a nice gift! And you have done the right thing by asking before trying.
You don't ever have to clean the gun. Pellet guns don't get dirty like firearms.
But you should put a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil on the tip of the first powerlet you insert. In fact, I would drop three drops of Pellguniol into the place where the powerlet goes, holding the pistol upside down for a minute to let the oil gather at the inlet valve. Then put a drop of oil on the tip of the powerlet and let it slide into the grip, small end first. That's the end that gets pierced.
As you pierce the powerlet, the pistol may hiss for several seconds, but the Pellginoil has a 50 percent chance of re-sealing all the seals as it gets blown through the gun.
Do not use regular petroleum oil because it will destroy the seals and they'll all have to be replaced.
Good luck!
B.B.
I have a mod. 79g S& w pistol. It is leaking around the breach I think. I have taken it apart as far as I can, I cannot detach the trigger housing from the barrel housing. Any tips?
Ron
Ron,
I'm sorry, I don't have schematics for this pistol. Ask on American Airguns website. Find the link at airguninfo.com
B.B.
Copy orginal handbook + expl.vieuw and manual (German)how to install the O-rings. Want it? e-mail and i'll reply.
Ps i'm the one with his S&W from Austria. Bought second one. Owner had leakige problem but couldn't dismantle it. broke at the pellet chamber.
But that will be fixed by a small side-plate and screw. No adjustable trigger, rest good condition.
I from Belgium and I have also a S&W 79G and I'm looking for a new barrel
Who nows where I can get one
Who can give me the e-mail adress of the Belgian guy ( anonymous )who has postet here on januari 05 2006 7.47 AM
Regards Guido
Who wants to now how You can make the trigger of the S&W 78/79 adjustable?
(eliminates the creep completly)
Give me Your e mail adres and I will sen You some pictures of it
Regards Guido
Were there any 79 Gs with only a high setting and no low setting when cocking? Even if I slowly cock mine, it is always on high power setting.
I just re-read the posting and I can't find where it mentions two power settings. If it does and I am just missing it, it is a mistake. These guns have just one setting.
B.B.
BB, The two stage power option reference was found in your posting of 5/27/05 at 6:15AM. I goofed. My pistol is a 78G not a 79G. I am still all in all very happy with the pistol and can shoot it as well as almost any .22 cartridge pistol.
Folks I was given a 78G.22 and the seals in the cylinder puncture/retainer mechanism were dust. I replaced them with two R-10 'O' rings outside and one R-1 'O' ring for the puncture pin. A little silicon grease and it now works just fine.
I've yet to zero it in, shoots high - waiting for a non windy day.
Smith & Wesson will supply at no cost, a xerox of the owners manual with schematic for the Model 78G/79G. Although we are led to believe the 78G/79G pistols were made by S&W in the USA, I believe they were manufactured in West Germany for S&W. I have come to this conclusion because if you examine the left side of the pistol, you will notice the letter "F" within a five sided box. This was the West German proof mark for guns developing less than 5.5 ft/lb kinectic energy. This mark will be found in use today. I have no idea who may have produced the 78G/79G, but I was wondering if Umarex was in business back then as they are known for producing CO2 pistols that resemble production firearms.
S&W pistols were produced in Springfield Mass. and Florida, in S&W plants. The Freimark you see (the capital F in a pentagram) is required by German law to be on all airgunns imported into Germany, to signify that they do not exceed 7.5 Joules in power. The AirForce rifle that is made in Fort Worth Texas, is also produced with a special valve for Germany and carries the Freimark.
Umarex was formed nearly a decade after the last S&W pistols were made.
B.B.
About a year ago I purchased a "rebuild kit" off of ebay. It consisted of o-rings and a replacement brass valve body. It took less than an hour to rebuild the gun. It came with easy to follow instructions and a blow-up of the gun. The blowup is a bit fuzzy but useable. I will make it available to B.B. if you wish.
SMike,
Thanks for the offer but I already have them. They have been passed around for the last 25 years and are widely available. Even Airgun Hobby magazine printed instructions a year ago.
B.B.
I have one of the 78G versions that is a bit worn but still works. The purchase price of this gun (for me) was about 25 dollars back in the early 1970s (around 1972). My gun has a threaded nut protruding from just below the muzzle. This is missing from the picture-here. We used 22 cal pellets and darts in the gun. Has not been fired for 27 years.
I need to get new seals for the gun. Any chance you can direct me to the supplier? I noticed another person mentioned eBay.
I just resurrected by 78G. It was bought for me by my father in the 70's (I think it was in 1976) as a gift. Had been using it in plinking and competitions when I was still single. Now, my son has shown an interest in the sport and I dismantled it and repainted the slide and reciever area and in the process of replacing all the seals.
This airgun is quite rare, especially here in the Philippines. It's actually an attention grabber since it looks like the real M41. Now I enjoy shooting with my son. BTW, he actually likes the 78G more than my FWB65 ... it's really fun!
The 78G isn't that rare in the U.S. In fact, they are very common. They command high prices because non-airgunners see how well made they are and assume a high price is fitting, but they still sell very reasonably at airgun shows. I like mine, too.
B.B.
Hi firstly let me say how amazed I am with your knowledge of airguns it made for interesting reading, so thanks! A few years ago my Dad gave me his S&W 79G-one of the most accurate CO2 guns I've shot with, so smooth! Anyway it had a leak which I decided to repair myself....BIG mistake!! Sadly i ended up making the problem even worse! please excuse my lack of correct terminology but I ended up snapping the piece of metal which is separate&below the barrel housing!!:( So now I have a leak and an ugly gun. I was such an idiot! I dont care that its not aesthetically pleasing, just so long as it fires again. Please, please help me! Ive tried all over the web, but no luck. Where in England/UK can i get it repaired? Thank you so much, and keep up the good work with your blog. Thanks again. Toby, England.
Toby,
Wow! When you have a problem, it isn't an easy one.
My advice is to go into an airgun shop (or call one) to inquire who repairs vintage American CO2 guns. You know, CO2 guns don't have a British history, so there aren't the old guns and parts laying around that there are in the U.S.
I would suggest contacting John Knibbs, but he is primarily a spring gun man. I believe.
Can any of our UK readers help Toby?
B.B.
hi my name is stephen i have a daisy 790 with original box and styrfoam and instructions call me or e-mail me i may sell if price is right 559-202-9751 or cornchip61@yahoo.com
I could really use a copy of the repair instructions for the 79g. My fiance's father just gave me the one that belonged to his father, and I'd to get it holding gas again. Please email anything to prodigalphreak@gmail.com. Thanks alot
Hi, I found my model 79G under some old board games in my closet.I'm pretty sure it doesn't shoot. I live in northwest Indiana and I was wondering if there was anyone specializing in that model.e-mail me at ZacharymArnold@hotmail.com thanks
Zak,
Try this guy,
John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
B.B.
Hi I have a 78G I want to replace all the o rings do you know how separate the slide from the frame I want to replace o rings in valve body.
Thanks, bob
Bob,
There is a good article about fixing the 78G in an old Airgun Hobby magazine. They may still have the back issue available.
B.B.
I have a 79g but it needs a new barrel because the old one fell out. If anyone can help e-mail me a grcarroll@aircanopy.net
Other than that its in great condition.
hello, I have a 79 G that my old man gave me years ago. He said it leaked when he had it but i was gonna try to make it work.. I tried the pellgunoil and it seemed like it was gonna work. Nope. It seems when i have no CO2 cartridge in, the screw in puncturer will thread all the way in. When i add a cartridge it screws short by about an 1/8 of an inch leaving 2 holes exposed that release all the air. Is there a different cartridge i should use, i tried the crosman 12g powerlets, maybe they are wrong. Please help
Just wanted to say that I found this source for parts:
http://www.e-gunparts.com/dept.asp
I also found parts on AuctionArms.com.
And June 6 Anonymous - the Crosman 12g powerlets work. You may have a bad seal in the puncture assembly. If I'm not mistaken, there's a small o-ring inside the assembly, in addition to the large one you can see at the plug. I find that I have to cinch mine down with large pliers before I puncture it, in order to prevent a leak.
The 12-gram powerlet is correct for the S&W pistol. It sounds like something inside is limiting the depth your cartridge goes in.
Todd, you shouldn't have to use pliers to screw the cap down. All it takes is finger-tightening. Something is out of whack on your gun, too, though I know it's easy to just keep doing something is it's working.
The best person to fix this model is:
Dave Gunter http://www.ados.net/~dgunter/ (503) 556-1439
Another less expensive place is:
Rick Willnecker Contact him at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481.
B.B.
I HAVE THE SMITH & WESSON MODEL 78G & 79G OWNER'S MANUAL.
V.CANNON@HOTMAIL.COM PLEASE PUT AS SUBJECT OWNERS MANUAL
Hi,
I found this in a parts supplier site, says it can increase power of the 79/78g in 100 fps...
http://jgairguns.biz/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=12340
Is it possible?
Thanks
JL
JL,
Yes, these guns can easily be booset this way.
For even more power, visit Dave Gunter's website. Dave can boost these guns by about 130-150 f.p.s.
http://www.ados.net/~dgunter/
B.B.
Hi again,
I have another question.
I was told that ,because of the way the powerlet is pierced, this guns do not have problems with the seals if you leave the CO2 Capsule in for long periods of time.
What do you think?
Thanks for your help.
JL
JL,
That should be no problem.
B.B.
B.B.,
Thanks for all the information, after reading your blog I decided to get a S&W 78g.
Was not easy because I live in Argentina, and they are not common here. But after posting on a local forum, I got one in exchange for my Crosman 357 - 8" which I had already decided to sell.
Tonight I have just tested the 78g, and the first shoots with a new CO2 cartridge are really powerful, also it seems to be very accurate. The most impressing is the feeling, is just like a firearm, strongly build and heavy. It made a very good impression on everyone, even on a friend of mine who has a Glock firearm and used to consider airguns only as toys.
Thank again.
JL
JL,
I am glad you like the gun.
B.B.
I have a smith & wesson model 78g. I purchased this pistol in 1980. I need to get repaired. I live in Central New York. Do you know of any airgun smiths in my area.
There are guys up there who fix guns as a hobby but no real businesses I am aware of. The best place for you is in PA:
Rick Willnecker Contact him at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481.
B.B.
i have a 78g and i am trying to find and owners manual if anyone can help please email me at bryankhall@msn.com thanks!
Doug Law sells airgun literature.
Doug Law P.O Box 42 Sidney, Neb. 69162 (308)-377-2018 http://www.bigspringguns.net/
B.B.
I need a rear site blade for my 79G. Have tried all the parts sites and all seem to be out of stock. Does anyone have a rear blade for sale? Thanks.
I currently have an early model 78G airgun in my possession which my father purchased for $35 bucks back in the early 80's. I have the original box, manual, warranty card, CO2 packaging, pellet container, and of course the gun itself. I just wanted to brag a little bit.
The problem is that the piercing assembly no longer pierces the CO2 cartridges. I have narrowed the problem down to the actual piercing tip inside the assembly. Any thoughts where I might find a replacement for just that part or do I need to purchase an entire assembly? If so where can I find one on the cheap. Thanks
Tim,
You might call around to the airgun repair shops, though they usually don't sell parts. Start with this guy:
John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
http://www.jgairguns.biz
B.B.
Thanks for the quick reply B.B. The site you gave me doesn't sell the part and says its a minimum $75 to repair. I know I can pick up the entire piercing assembly for around $45. Should I just buy the piercing assembly? Thanks.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=382790&MC=
Is the site with the part.
Tom,
Gun Parts Corp[oration is a great place. Glad you found what you needed.
B.B.
B.B. , I have a 78 that my grandfather gave me. I learned how to shoot on this gun about 20 years ago and I still use it all the time! Over the years i have had problems with the seals on the powrlet piercing mechanisim, I've found that simple o-ring kits from your local hardware store work great to replace the old ones. they dont last as long as the ones from the gun shop but at 15 cents who's counting?!?
Also as I was reading though the past postings I saw you say that the cocking mechanisim has two stages.. I had never noticed this on mine and as I look at it right now it appears that i have room to pull it forward further but there is no second click. Any suggestions? Maybe an adjustment on the internal spring? Does the power adjustment screw play a part in this?
My gun has the Springfield markings, power adjutment screw, and soft trigger.
Awesome Blog!!!! Very informative
JGroover, Fl.
JGroover,
Only some very early guns have two stages. The bulk of them cock to one power, only. That was written before I knew of the change.
B.B.
Hey B.B.
It's a small world...
I just won another 78G on auctionarms.com (I have two now)
& came here to read up on it again, but when I saw this;
"At April 05, 2007 10:12 AM, B.B. Pelletier said...
Zak,
Try this guy,
John Groenewold, PO Box 830, Mundelein, IL 60060-0830, (847) 566-2365
B.B."
I had to laugh, because guess who the seller was!
Yup.. Jon! lol
Well, you can add another couple of guns to my list. ;)
- The Big Bore Addict -
BBA,
Well, you will soon be able to compare the 78G to the Crosman Mark