by B.B. Pelletier
I received a question from Michael N. on Friday that I thought needed to be shared with everyone. It concerns how far a pellet can penetrate.
Since my backstop has proven useless against my slingshot, I’m thinking of buying a Gamo 850 carbine to try to punch holes through that phonebook I mentioned earlier. Will it punch through with Crosman Super Points, or maybe Premier Ultra Magnums?
This comment was preceded by a confusing string of comments, but it appeared to me that Michael wants to use a phone book as a backstop for his pellet gun. If that’s the case, and for everybody else out there who has similar thoughts – this post is a report on penetration.
You might think the answer to Michael’s question is, “Which phonebook are you shooting at?” but it isn’t. All the phone books for New York City aren’t sufficient to stop pellets! Allow me to explain.
Some embarrassing history
During World War II, the U.S. mobilized all industries to support the war effort. Companies such as Daisy and Crosman made parts for the war, as did many other less likely companies. The M1 Carbine program was one of the most ambitious production programs of the war. They went from not having a carbine in mind in 1940 to producing more than 6 million guns by the end of 1944. To do this in an era of machines run by humans instead of computers, the government had to organize a huge system of production that involved 9 or 10 prime contractors (depending on how you count the one that never delivered) and dozens of subcontractors. Winchester was a maker, but so were IBM, Underwood Typewriter and Rockola – a jukebox manufacturer.
While these companies knew about mass-production (some more than others), some of them were not up on basic firearm safety or of the performance characteristics of firearms. This was compounded by the fact that the M1 Carbine shoots what is essentially a pistol round, and is therefore not afforded the respect that it should be by unknowing workers.
M1 Carbine round in the center is basically a pistol bullet, running hot. It’s closer in killing power to the .45 ACP pistol round to the left than to the WWII standard .30 caliber U.S. rifle cartridge (.30/06) on the right.
One of the prime contractors for the carbine was the Thermoplastics Division of The Standard Products Company. This company had primarily made parts for automobiles before the war. They converted their plant to build the carbine, and had to construct an indoor range for proofing, function testing and sight adjustment. The backstop was ten FEET of damp sand, backed by a 10″ thick concrete wall. One evening while several office personnel were blasting away on this range for fun, a night watchman outside the building saw bullets blowing through the wall and ricocheting off the perimeter fence! He saw light streaming through many holes in the wall!
Fortunately, he was able to stop the shooting. The company had to build a proper range with real safety features before resuming testing. If you’d been asked if a 110-grain .30 caliber bullet with 1960 f.p.s. muzzle velocity could go through 10 FEET of wet sand and 10″ of concrete after that, would you have said yes?
One bullet can’t. Ten bullets can’t. But when bullet after bullet is fired at the same place, time after time, eventually they chew their way through. And eventually doesn’t take as long as you think.
Respect is what I want to address today. Respect for airguns. Just because they are weak compared to firearms, always remember that the M1 Carbine round is also very weak, and look what it did. Twelve years ago, while shooting in my basement, I missed the big steel bullet trap that caught all my pellets. One pellet from a .25 caliber Webley Patriot hit a cinderblock in the foundation wall and chipped out a 3″ spall. That would have been bad enough, but when I examined the spot more closely I discovered that the pellet had cracked the entire side of the cinderblock I was able to see! One pellet!
I suppose it was my bad luck that I wasn’t shooting a Diana model 27 when this happened, but also my good luck I wasn’t shooting a Career 707 loaded with 28-grain Eun Jin pellets! I never thought I would ever miss the huge bullet trap, when most of my guns shoot quarter-inch groups at this distance. But a touch of the trigger at an inopportune time while shooting at an outside bull on a 10-bull target brought all the circumstances into alignment at the critical moment.
Think I learned from that? NO! I put a half-inch 3’x3′ plywood board on a slant behind the trap and continued shooting. Two years later, after more than 50,000 more shots had been fired, I had occasion to look behind the plywood board. There were six more spalls – all smaller than the first, due to the backer board, but against the light yellow wall they looked like the backdrop to the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre! Six misses out of 50,000 shots. Not a bad record, if you don’t own the house, but I did.
Newspapers, carpets, phone books and boards are all just temporary backstops for pellets. If 100 shots land in the same place, they will do a lot of damage. Heck, I used to shoot more than that in just one session. But a real steel bullet trap, backed by 1.5″ of plywood about 3’x3 ‘ is a good start to a safe 10-meter range. My own steel trap was made by Outers many years ago and has absorbed over a quarter million rounds by now. It has stopped guns up to 120 foot-pounds and still looks untouched, except for paint loss. Pyramyd Air sells the equivalent trap they call the Heavy Duty Metal Trap.
Airguns are a great extension to the shooting sports. They have less power than firearms, for the most part, and are easier to use indoors. We have to remember the basics of shooting safety all the time, even with lowly airguns, because weak or not, they will get away from you if you don’t pay attention.
25 thoughts on “Pellet penetration: they can go deeper than you think!”
I use a career 707 with 28g Eun Jins for most of my airgun hunting. That was an interesting report.
I think leapers makes centerpoint scopes.
I have a question that i must know the answer to. Is the new career 707 with the single air cylinder more or less powerful than the one that looks like a shotgun? Or is it the same? I was also wondering if the career infenity was as powerfun as either of them. I have a career 707 but its such a nice riffle that i want another. One with a monster scope and one with open sights is the idea. Thank you.
CenterPoint scopes are VERY comparable to Leapers scopes in all ways!
I haven’t tested the new Career, but I assume it is identcal to the old one.
Careers have evolved over the years to have more power settings and less wild valves. I would guess that this new one is the best of all.
But what about the infenity. Is its power the same as the 707s. I am guesing its a little slower. I want an infenity because it looks well ballences to the shoulder and arm.
the career 707 9mm ultra takes regular 9mm ammo, or does it only take the eun jin pellets?
one more question. im looking at the centerpoint 3-9×40 non illuminated and it says it comes with scope mounts. i dont know what kind they are and they are not pictured. do you know if they have a recoil pin or should i just get some leapers ones for 9 dollars more? thank you
Nate in Mass
An off topic question, is there a way to do a trigger job on air rifles? I have a gamo hunter 890, and the trigger is stiff. It just kills my accuracy. Could I bend or clip some spring or something?
Another unrelated question, would leaving it cocked weaken the spring?
I don’t know about the Infinity. It’s a rifle I haven’t tested yet.
The Ultra takes ONLY the 77-grain pellet. Someone has removed the warning about that from the Pyramyd site, but I will see that it gets posted again.
Your mount question should be directed to Pyramyd Air.
Gamo trigger job,
Many readers have said that Charlie da Tuna does great jobs on Gamo triggers. Google him.
Yes, leaving a rifle cocked does weaken the mainsprinbg. In a one-month (continuous cocked) test of four different springs, Tom Gaylord noted a power loss from 4 to 7 percent.
Do you think you will be testing any new career riffles soon? Thanks so much.
I don’t have any problem using a 4″ think phone book as a target. I shoot condor .22 on it at full power. But I wouldn’t put more than 2 shots on the same spot. So one trick is to tape a piece of multi-target paper on the book and you get yourself a quiet backstop for about 100 shots.
gamo trigger job
i have a charliedatuna trigger on my gamo shadow 1000 and it is great way better than the then the one that came with the gun
Speaking of Leapers, I just found a problem with mine recently. I bought a B-square, and after mounting it to the rifle, I found out that I was not able to adjust for Windage! Did I over tighten the Allen bolt used to lock it on the artificial zero?? I think that’s what I did, but I’m not sure. What would cause a windage or elevation turret to skip its clicks and do nothing?
I will look at the Career line and see what I need to test.
It’s been a long time since I tested one of their guns.
What you describe is a common fault with scopes that have resettable zeros. The simple solution is to loosen it and try again.
My first stop was a 10″x10″ cardboard box filled with smaller cardboard boxes, again filled with a full crumpled newspaper. After about 1K shots from my Diana 34 and various .177’s, there is now a huge hole straight through the shredded backstop, pellets go right through the middle. I’m now shooting at a new box filled with 6″ of yellow pages. I can’t imagine it getting shredded like this, but I’d bet it will. Good stuff, great article.
Thanks so much.
bb, what is a good hunting pellet in .20? my dad loves his silver streak, and just hates those pesky squirrels.
Kodiaks are pretty good, as are Beeman FTS.
how many pages do you think a gamo shadow 1000 w/ gamo hunter pellets will penetrate? also, should i make the phone book wet or dry? thanks!
hey 1000 owner,
How should I know? You will be the expert when you test it. I’d try it dry, but that’s up to you as well.