The Beeman C1 – Part 2The rifle that created the artillery hold!

by B.B. Pelletier


Despite the size of this photo, the C1 is a small rifle. The western look was unique in its day. The scope is a 2-7X32 BSA.

Part 1

If you remember, the C1 is one of the first adult air rifles I ever owned. I got my .177 C1 from Beeman and had the opportunity to break it in and shoot it until it smoothed out to become a great little shooter.

Today I’m testing the .22 version I acquired in a big trade with my buddy Mac, following the Little Rock show this year. I didn’t own a chronograph when I had the first rifle, so this test will be as revealing to me as it is to you. Kind of like finding out whether the girl next door was really as chaste as you envisioned when you were a kid, or whether she dated the fleet.

Observations
Before we get to velocities, I’d like to make a couple of observations. First, I had forgotten that the C1 has the mother of all single-stage triggers. If you look up single-stage in the dictionary, there will be a picture of a C1 beside it. It’s long and engages right at the start of the pull. No false first stages here!

The trigger on my test rifle is well broken-in and releases at 4 pounds, 4 ounces. I can’t call it crisp because you can feel the trigger moving as you pull, but it is very pleasant. While the later C1s have a manual safety on the right side of the gun, this one doesn’t even have that. Cock it and it’s ready to go.

Next, the C1 is a carbine. Though the gun isn’t difficult to cock, that short barrel will have your arm aching after a couple dozen shots. It’s certainly no Diana 27!

Also, the breech is butter-smooth. Though it has a chisel detent to hold the barrel shut, it feels and operates like a ball bearing detent, which is to say very nice.

Finally the firing behavior is dead-calm and quick. The gun moves in recoil, but there is no vibration to speak of.

The .177 C1 was represented to have 830 f.p.s. velocity, which probably meant 750 f.p.s. for sure, so the .22 should be in the low 600s. Let’s see where this one is.

RWS Superdomes
The 14.5-grain RWS Superdome averaged 503 f.p.s. It ranged from a low of 487 to a high of 510, for a spread of 23 f.p.s. They seemed to fit the rifle well, but the energy they delivered works out to just 8.15 foot-pounds.

Crosman Premiers
Surprisingly, Crosman Premiers that weigh only 14.3 grains averaged just 494 f.p.s. That’s less than the heavier Superdomes. The range was from 482 to 503 f.p.s. Muzzle energy for the average velocity is 7.75 foot-pounds. They also fit the breech variably, with some going in a quarter-inch and others sitting flush with the breech. The deep-seated ones were invariably the fastest.


Some Premiers fell deep into the barrel…


…while others had to be pressed flush with the breech.

RWS Hobbys
At less than 12 grains, RWS Hobby Pellets are the lightest I tested. Being pure lead, they also went the fastest. The average was 527 f.p.s. and the range was from 522 to 536, for a tight 14 foot-second difference. The average velocity produced an energy of 7.34 foot-pounds. All pellets fit the breech uniformly.

Eley Wasps
Just for fun I tried some fat Eley Wasps. At 5.56mm I didn’t expect much velocity from them and I was right. They averaged 437 f.p.s. with a spread from 425 to 450 f.p.s. The average velocity produced 6.15 foot-pounds from this 14.5-grain pellet.

Conclusions
Based on these numbers I’d say this rifle is a little tired. It probably needs seals and a new mainspring. I looked through the cocking slot and saw that the grease seemed to be from the factory, so this gun has just been shot a lot. No complaint there, because that’s what it’s built for!

63 thoughts on “The Beeman C1 – Part 2The rifle that created the artillery hold!

  1. The C1 has always been a bit of a mystery here in the UK. Webley did sell some on this side fo the pond, but they are rare beasts indeed. The gun was based on the Vulcan, the distinctive 'open' breech and the infamous Webley trigger show that, but Beeman asked for a carbine length rifle a different stock, and more power.

    A very nice find indeed!

    Ollie


  2. Ollie,

    I think the early C1s were identical to the Vulcans in most ways, except the stock. This one's power may really be all it ever had. I certainly don't mind it. I enjoy the trigger, and the western-style stock makes it stand out.

    It may be that Beeman didn't buy enough of these, because they then became the Vulcan II and gained their FAC power at that time, I think.

    At any rate, I plan to keep this one awhile.

    B.B.


  3. Good morning B.B.,

    Hope all is going well for you and the TV folks. I am interested in the Crosman Premiers and their inconsistant fitting in the breech. Were those CP's from the box or tin? If from the box, doesn't that indicate a quality control problem on Crosman's part?

    Mr B.


  4. It's nice to have a variety of airguns to shoot. I always bring a few airguns with me when I go out. I also make sure there are airguns for others to shoot incase they come along.

    When it comes time to go hunting, I like using a springer. It's just so simple to use and gives you a lot of power for the money. It reminds me of archery in way. I still bring my multipump along for smaller game that requires more pinpoint accuracy and sometimes longer stalking periods.

    Now that the crows and rats have been thinned out a bit on the farms, I get a lot of requests for possiums and big giant cotton tail rabbits. I've seen some rabbits the size of small dogs and they've been gnawing veggie gardens down to their roots. We live trapped a few, but they seem to have caught on to that game. I told one guy to forget about putting up a fence and to just put a giant dome over his garden. Anyhow, I should have plenty of garden fresh veggies to eat this fall…..I hope.

    As for CPs, I've yet to find an attraction for them, box or tin.

    btw…I almost forgot…

    vid e o
    vie e o
    vid e o

    Actually, most people here know how to shoot a springer, but you would be amazed what a diffence it makes once you get it down. So I always try to tell new spring airgun shooters how to use the patented B.B Pelletier Artillery Hold. But a video from the master and with the original model airgun….would definately be better.


  5. Just wanted to comment on the CPs. I use them (the box) exclusively with my .177 CO2 Talon SS. I have recently "discovered" them (well BB happened to mention them once or twice, LOL). They are the most accurate for me with that gun (3 Xs out of five at a minimum, a few 5 out of 5 and I will get better). My concern is is this accuracy unique to this box? When this box is empty will I have to start the search all over again?

    I have eight different brands of pellets I've accumulated so far. I have started using a marking pen identifying each gun I own with a code letter on the lids of the tins that work best with that gun. I also put a mark for the guns that don't work with that tin by drawing that circle with the line through it around the code. It is very revealing. The Walther Lever action shows up as good on almost all tins and the 1077 shows up as bad on all but the Hobbys and that is even dubious.

    To get a good mark a gun has to shoot 5 shots within at least 3/4" with no flyers. If it shoots within 1/4" or one holers, I draw a circle around it. If it shoots 1" or has flyers I draw the circle with a line through it.

    I haven't changed tins yet since I started with any of these tests so I can't say for sure if my grading is consistent with a new tin of the same brand. I've noticed others have different results so I'm wondering about consistency across same type tins. Maybe I should have started out with 250 ct tins so it wouldn't take so long to find out :)

    -C


  6. BB-Had C-1's in both calibers.Preferred the .177,it was easier to shoot well(more accurate).Mine clocked in at 650 with Beeman silver bears,a light pellet to be sure,but nonetheless considerably faster than your example.Sold both of mine for guns that are faster and more accurate.


  7. I need to clarify my next to last sentence on my previous comment (that's what I get for re-reading my own comment).

    Change it to read:

    I've noticed other people on this blog have different results so I'm wondering about consistency across same type tins.

    There, at least is more clear in my own mind at least.

    -C


  8. I think there is quite a few variables sometimes. Perhaps there may be shift in manfacturing or airgun performance. I wrote my top two or three performing pellets for each airgun in a journal. It's on the computer, because sometimes a mod or something new with change the predictions.


  9. Just like there are no two airguns alike..I bet there are not two tins alike. Well at least for those in the fine tuning target class.

    How are the RWS M(something) R-10 packaged?


  10. ok I see the heavy RWS desc. 500 cnt

    Sleeve of five…..

    what the….

    Is that like 100 pellets per sleeve ?

    five sleeves like the sampler pack?

    Is that the 20 dollar difference between the tin and the box?



  11. Not to derail the pellet conversation, but I do have a scoping question, that starts with an unfortunate sentence:

    My Gamo CFX has been a sizable disappointment to me. It's broken three times (had to go back for warranty service twice), and getting a scope to stay put has always been a challenge (the recoil on this thing is pretty jumpy).

    I finally did manage to cinch it all down using big Bsquared rings and a scope stop (the stop pin hole is awkwardly placed), but it only worked in one configuration, which made for poor eye relief.

    I'm throwing in the towel, taking the good scope off, and thinking about putting my cheap scope on the thing, and wonder how I could (affordably) get a no-slip scope mount and some control over eye relief.

    Would a leapers dovetail to weaver conversion work (you gotta figure the friction of that long mount would be less likely to move), or would I be better off with a one-piece Leapers mount with rings?

    At this point, I'm shopping for a more upscale "outdoor" gun, which will either be a high-end springer or a Marauder.

    Thanks!
    TC


  12. Coconut oil on pellets…

    I washed the CPH in Isoprohyl rubbing alcohol, (very expensive stuff at .79 per pint:))) and then soaked them in the coconut oil, ($7.00 per quart jar), drained the extra off and let the pellets cool off in the freezer..

    Well, they load easy, shoot more accurately, with about 10% more fps and drum roll please.. LEAVE NO BLACK ON MY FINGERS!!!…

    …and Matt61, no.. there are no army of insects swarming over my tins of pellets and coming out the barrel of my rifle:)

    We've been using coconut oil for our toast and cooking for years, and it never seems to draw insects to it..
    Coconut oil also doesn't go bad .. it's amazing stuff..

    I really think Edith is onto something here with the natural oil idea.. and coconut oil with the way it gets hard under 70 degrees or so, could be the star of the show.. so far so good..

    Check it out folks..

    Wacky Wayne,

    Ashland Air Rifle Range


  13. The R-10 pellets are packaged 500 pellets to a tin.
    The R-10 match are 5×100…but each pellet is in its own individual cutout in a piece of foam.
    This way there is no chance of skirts being malformed due to bouncing around if they are dropped.
    As well, from what I understand each R-10 match is basically handpicked from a run of 'plain' R-10's.
    I would imagine that if you were competing at higher than club level this would be a consideration.
    CowBoyStar Dad


  14. TC,

    Almost two years ago, I bought 5 of the CFX for the rifle range, 2 with the gas spring..

    Never got the advertised fps, had one spring break also, and ended up sending 3 back to PA.. Chris in the tech dept. couldn't get the fps up, so credited me for them.. I sold the other two..
    bygones.. onto better stuff

    Save for the Marauder.. other than the fit and finish of the stock and bluing, (and it's not too bad) it preforms very, very well.. at least this .177 cal is!! and I can pretty easily add some finish to the stock.. so what can I say..
    It's well worth the $500..

    Vince has a super great deal going on RWS92 or RWS94 to keep you shooting while your saving up for the Marauder..

    Wayne,
    Ashland Air Rifle Range


  15. Wayne,

    Coconut oil…that's awesome news.

    If alcohol is too expensive, how about a 50/50 solution of white vinegar? I use such a solution in a spray bottle to clean just about everything. Vinegar is cheap. Maybe a solution with just 25% or even 10% vinegar would work. Are you game?

    Edith


  16. So, Wayne, are you now storing your coconut oil pellet tins next to the dozen night crawlers in your refrigerator? Bet your wife loves you.
    -C


  17. >>So, Wayne, are you now storing your coconut oil pellet tins next to the dozen night crawlers in your refrigerator? Bet your wife loves you.<<

    It's not the crawlers, it's his homemade catfish stink bait that's causing tensions to rise.


  18. The Trout Underground,

    I had some good luck using Locktite and a one piece base to keep a scope from moving on my Diana 350 Magnum. Worked good for me. Just make sure you let it dry overnight.

    Vince,

    I'd like to talk with you about the super deal Wayne just mentioned, ie, RWS92's and RWS94's.


  19. My wife will only let put the nightcrawlers in the old "beer" frige down in the basement. That's because I don't tell her.

    Thanks CowBoyStarDad…
    I guess at around 6 cents a pellet the well r-10 plus are still reasonable.

    I put a thin candy coating over my washed and waxed pellets….."the pellets that melts in your target – not in your in your hand" lol!!!!!




  20. B.B.

    Sounds like she dated the fleet. Ha ha.

    Chuck, the 1077 shoots well with Hobby pellets for me and they did with CP when I was using them. I'm surprised that your rifle isn't doing better.

    Wayne, glad to hear about the coconut oil. I do like the flavor although I don't think I will be soaking pellets. Finish and appearance are not that big a deal to me, so the Marauder sounds super. Thanks for your reports which pretty much confirm everything B.B. said.

    Trout Underground, sorry to hear about your bad luck with the CFX. It is interesting to see after the initial raves for this gun. But there are no shortage of better guns. For springers, based on my experience with the B30, I'd say you can't go wrong with the RWS 48.

    Matt61



  21. B.B.

    This is kind of a random question and I feel kind of stupid posting it, but I really have nobody else to ask. Is splitting a card considered difficult and if you can do it from around 30 feet away is that a good indication that you're capable of competing in 10 meter competitions? I've been doing it in my indoor range (aka my basement with 33 feet measured out and a pellet trap at one end) for the past few nights with my Walther lever action rifle (open iron sights) with very little difficulty. In fact my practice sessions have consisted mainly of splitting cards and taking a few shots at the occasional shoot 'n see target. I can usually split one with in 3 shots, rarely more than that. I've finally found a place near where I live that holds 10 meter competitions and I was just kind of curious to know if what I've described shows I'm ready or if splitting a card is just something easy that most marksman can do easily.

    -Alex


  22. I need help understanding something. Today I was bench rest shooting at 20 yards, making sure my scope was still sighted in perfectly. After some time, I got it spot on and she was shooting true. I used it the whole afternoon and it was fine. Then tonight I did some benchrest and it was shooting a WHOLE 4 inches above the aim point. I have no idea what could have caused this and the only thing I can think about is before I started shooting this evening, as I was breaking the barrel, my concentration was elsewhere and I left the barrel just before it clicked. The barrel swung wildly back into position. Im not sure whether this could have damaged some internals? If no, then any ideas or theories explaining the p.o.i shift?




  23. Ishaq,

    Ajvenom read my mind before I could get this post off. I'm going to vote for a bent barrel. If you can sight the gun back in and she still shoots good groups consider yourself lucky and just keep on shootiing and enjoying. However, if that isn't the case use his link. Also check the stock to make sure it isn't cracked and that all screws are tight. Let us know what the cure was, please.

    Mr B.


  24. I have also had a very bad experience with the Crossman Premiere Hollow Points in .22. It has ruined my brand new RWS 52. Some of the pellets fall right thru the barrel causing a dry fire and others don't fit and stick out of the breech. No more Crossman anything for me.

    Eddie,


  25. Wayne,

    I've seen several comments about the Marauder's bluing on the yellow forum. I think it's an epoxy finish on the gas tube and the same finish (or maybe anodized) on the shroud. Take a good look at yours and let me know what you think.

    Maybe BB knows?

    Derrick


  26. Ajvenom, Mr B .

    Yes, I let the barrel go unintentionally, I taught it had already caught. I hope its not a bent barrel. Sigh messed up my 2 week old gun. I will try re zeroing the scope. Lets hope I dont run out of clicks because its already shimmed. Im hoping its scope shift. Will keep you guys updated!


  27. BB,
    That C1 does sound a little tired. I like single stage triggers with no travel.

    Trout Underground,
    Better try something of higher quality, like a Chinese springer:).
    We used to put liver out in the sun for a couple of days, then use it for catfish bait. Very effective, but the smell is almost unbearable (probably would be now):).

    Matt,
    I responded to you last night, but my post disappeared into the blogosphere. Briefly, the 1873 is the rifle that won the west, rimfire, warts and all. There's dozens of better centerfire lever rifles from Winchester, Marlin, Browning and Savage, but they all came later:). I think Mauser 1898 is associated with "bolt action", but that the rifle itself is probably less recognizable than Springfields and Enfields in the military bolt category, at least here. For sporting bolts, most people think Winchester Model 70, Remington 700 or even the humble Savage 110. The Weatherby MkV should probably get some mention, despite disgusting stock design and sometimes dubious chamberings, perhaps "ultimate bolt action sporter for conspicuous consumers":).

    If the Kentucky Rifle in American Rifleman is the one I'm thinking of, it is a beautiful piece of work made in Kentucky, but far too pretty to be typical of what went into the woods.



  28. OMB1080 to see if you're ready to compete can you slice the card 60 times in 105 minutes from a standing position?
    I've become quite adept at knocking the 10 ring (in reality the 10 on 10m air-rifle target is the size of the period at the end of my sentences) 3 or 4 times out of 10. The other two will usually be 9's.
    I've attended one ISSF sanctioned event. These guys were nailing the . 55 times out of 60.
    Under the pressure of competition!
    However, most club level competitions are far less stressful.
    CowBoyStar Dad




  29. CowBoyStarDad,

    I just came back from feeling good about my shooting, from the bench at 16 yards and hitting 1/4" stick on dots 6 out of 10 shots. Think I'll go back to my sling shot thank you!

    Ishaq,

    Have you fired your gun and how did she shoot?

    Mr B.



  30. Ishaq,

    a bent barrel is not the end of the line and apparently from this blog, it's fairly easy to straighten:

    http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/07/straightening-barrels.html

    However, make sure it really is bent before you start to mess with it. I suspect, like others have said, that the shock of the barrel swinging back knocked the reticles out of adjustment and perhaps even moved the scope a bit.

    Hey Wayne, I'll bet those pellets will taste much better with coconut oil, too. :)

    Fred


  31. Fred,
    Surely you aren't encouraging anyone to ingest lead:)…I was thinking about the uproar the other day when I took my kid fishing and dogged down the split shot just like I always did — with my teeth. Could explain a lot:)!


  32. ajvenom-

    Thanks for the advice. I feel better about be able to split cards from that distance with open sights from the standing position. I figured since I wasn't having much trouble with it, it meant that absolutely anyone could do it. lol I don't have a clue about what's easy and what's hard a lot of times, all I know is that I can do what I'm capable of and that's about it. It's good to know it's somewhat of an accomplishment.

    I'm probably going to watch a competition within the next few weeks. I'll check back in after that and if I need help with anything else.

    Thanks again,

    -Alex

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4qsJB05hok

    that's a video of me splitting a card. unfortunately it took me three tries to get it, but eventually I nailed the edge.



  33. C-

    It's really great little rifle. I have so much fun with it just in the basement. I'm not into hunting at all, but I love practicing and I'm hoping to compete soon. Have fun with that shot. It's a little tricky at first, but once you get the hang of it it's a blast.

    -Alex



  34. BG_Farmer,

    I always wondered how Wayne acquired the prefix "Wacky"? :) No,in fact I wash my hands after handling pellets just to avoid even the small amount of lead that might accumulate within the body tissues should I accidentally ingest some of the trace amounts on my fingers and hands. However, I have to try them with coconut – I really like Peter Paul Mounds.
    Fred


  35. Hi All,

    Sorry to be late to the conversation again.. lots of meetings today.

    Yes, if one if going to be a human machine gun like Popeye did in the cartoons.. then coconut oil is a must!!

    otherwise, I advise not to mouth lead in anyway at anytime!

    and wash hands after handing lead..

    Although that one becomes slightly less important with a coat of cold coconut oil for protection..

    I just did a longer test on the coconut oil vs. dry pellets with JSB 10.4 heavy .177 using a 2,500 fill in the Marauder, dry pellets first.. As you'll see the 10% FPS gain is not there with the JSB (instead of the CPH) and over a longer shot string.. but something better is showing itself..

    For some strange reason the dry pellets continued the valve lock issue.. BUT.. the JSB with the cold coconut oil on them started out higher.. close to the highest for the 30 shot string!!! super weird.. WHAT IS UP B.B.? and had less than half the dev. from high to low!!

    Dry JSB 10.4 2,500 lb fill;

    844fps, 848, 859, 848, 846, 851, 865, 866, 866, 868, 876, 885, 878, 879, (2,375 lbs) 894, 890, 888, 893, 892, 902, 902, 898, 902, 902, (2,190 lbs) 903, 900, 900, 900, 899, 898, 894, 894, 891, (2,050 lbs) lo 844, hi 903 Avg 885fps DEV 59fps (next ten shots ended at 870fps)

    Not washed, but heavy oiled in coconut oil and into the freezer for 5 min. to get below 70 degrees.. careful.. too much and they stick together in a solid mass.. (that's not too bad, cause they melt and you can break them off as you need them).. Most pellet cups end up filled with oil..

    oiled pellets.. 2,500lb fill same pellets
    shot one:
    895fps, 892, 892, 891, 891, 884, 884, 880, 880, 879, 879, 882, 882, 886, 893, 892, 895, 896, 896, 892, 888, 884, 890, 892, 879, 877, 884, 880, 882, 877fps lo 877, hi 896fps Avg 885fps DEV. 19fps
    next ten shots ended at 872fps

    Puzzled Wacky Wayne!!
    Ashland Air Rifle Range


  36. Hey again!

    I just figured out that maybe the gain I saw in feet per second before, was the lack of valve lock on the first ten shots!! ..

    ..very cool indeed!!

    Wayne,
    Ashland Air Rifle Range


  37. I am assuming that oiling the pellets is just for PCP's right. Do I remember correctly that there is enough oil in the barrel in springers/pumps/CO2 from blow-by?

    Also, had another crazy idea. Has anyone ever made a spring gun from stretching instead of compressing the spring? Wouldn't that take into effect the tensile strength of steel and get a little more power? Also, when a spring is stretched instead of compressed it doesn't want to buckle. Wouldn't that be good for vibration?


  38. Wayne,
    There you have it: a product to rival "Secret Sauce" and "Ed's Red":). Put it in a bottle and sell it as "Whacky Wayne's Pellet Lube and Pina Colada Base"!

    Seriously, those are interesting results, and it should be extremely safe, unless one ingested enough to raise their triglycerides or something:).



  39. BG_Farmer,

    Coconut oil has all the good fats or trigricertirriieckeklllliissess and foooicckkeeeiitteeds as one might call them..
    So the oil that gets on your hands makes you healthy…
    and the best part is your gun looses weight consuming pellets with low fat oil!!

    so after 5,000 shots it weighs 2 lbs less… and after 10,000 shots it floats.. and you have to tie it down..

    Oh.. and the extra oil that drips out of the end of the barrel falls on the morning toast:).. not to waste time .. don't cha no:)

    so maybe we should call it;

    "Whacky Wayne's Pellet Lube and Pina Colada Base and low fat spread"!

    Paul Newman move over!!
    cookies are next..

    Wacky Wayne


  40. Alex,

    That card splitting looks pretty good to me. But there's no need to guess how you would do in competition. Since you're lucky enough to have a 10 meter range, just reproduce the conditions and see where it gets you. I'm sure PA sells the official 10 meter competition target. Also, you can look up the qualification scores. I believe sharpshooter is above 90%, expert is above 95%, and master is above 97%. You can have your own private Olympics. You must go through a lot of cards.

    BG_Farmer, I suppose there are endless lists like mine because the criteria are somewhat arbitrary. I don't disagree with your assessments of the various rifles, but I went with the 94 for a mix of the name recognition of the West, the most popular hunting rifle of all time, and what are supposed to be ground-breaking design principles. Also, don't forget its unsurpassed ergonomics.

    The Springfield I disqualified as a copy of the Mauser that is so close that America was sued for patent infringement. The Enfield no. 4 is surely a classic with some advantages over the Mauser, but I don't believe it's fundamental design is as influential although exactly what is unique about the Mauser design I'm still learning.

    I think that sporting bolt-actions is a good category. For me that would be a toss-up between the Rifleman's Rifle, the pre-64 Winchester 70 and the Remington 700 which has been the mainstay of the U.S. sniping program for the last 40 years. I feel sure there is a European contender here that I just don't know about, perhaps the Mannicher-Schoenauer that you mentioned. All I know about it is that the wife of a main character in a Hemingway story drills him in the head with his own Mannlicher by accident. Also, I've always been a fan of the Steyr SSG, but it's not a sporting rifle.

    Matt61


  41. OMB ….cool video…..Those are pointed pellets you used….if they are accurate use them, but for card splitting I used flat (wad cutters) or domes. Domes tend to be more accurate, but you never know what's going to be the best until you start making groups.

    Wayne

    I guess I'm going to have to carry a cooler with dry ice for my pellets now…lol!!!

    Groups:

    http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/11/how-many-shots-in-group.html

    Measuring Groups:

    http://www.pyramydair.com/site/articles/accuracy/

    I like using center-to-center measurements (c-t-c).

    Free Targets you can print:

    http://www.mytargets.com/

    I like the 1" bullseyes target.




  42. ajvenom-

    lol thanks. Honestly I used whatever pellets I had in the basement. I didn't have any wadcutters left so I used those. I think it turned out pretty good. Do you know of any really good match pellets besides the RWS Hobbies? Those tend to jam in my gun for some reason.

    Thanks,

    -Alex


  43. Not sure on all the rules on 10M shooting, but I think they may need to use match wadcutters and loaded single shot set-up.

    Loading from a cylinder may snag the wadcutters.

    If your shooting amoungst friends, we just we make up our own rules….what ever you have on hand.


  44. Wayyyy off topic,

    But I have a question for you regarding oil for a walnut stock. I recently obtained an rws 52 luxus. The stock has a sort of smooth matte finish right out of the box. Can you recommend a stock oil that will bring out the beautiful grain and give it a bit of shine?

    I've heard everything from walnut oil to linseed with application techniques ranging from hand rubbing to sponging and drying. I want to avoid stickiness or tack at all costs, but I don't want the stock to dry out over time or be prone to moisture damage.

    Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me.


  45. Luxus,

    Be careful! If the Luxus stock has a synthetic finish on it, it will not accept oil.

    Contact RWS USA to find out. Tru Oil from Birchwood Casey works very well. Get it at a good gun store.

    B.B.




  46. Sounds like a rebuild of the internals will help.

    I bought my .22 C-1 when they first came out… still shoots 660 fps with Lasers, around 640-650 with Gamo Match (I've replaced the mainspring and seals twice over the long years, once because I left it cocked for abt 3 days!)

    I used Laser-Lube on the internals and added the synthetic "Spring-Tamer" mainspring guide that Beeman's offered for retrofit for awhile.

    Will put 5 shots into abt .6 from a soft rest on my 24 yd indoor range (Beeman SS-1 scope).

    I think that you can get yours up to par with a little more work.

    These guns are worth the effort!

    Skillet


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