by B.B. Pelletier
Let’s look at the latest rendition in a line of air rifles that had their beginnings more than 60 years ago. Where some products have been so vastly changed and cheapened over time, the Benjamin 392 remains a steadfast leader for very high quality. The 392 is the .22 caliber version of the gun, while the 397 is the .177. This gun is one that truly harkens back to “the good old days.” Even when Crosman bought Benjamin, they left the quality alone.
Radical state laws are changing which airguns are being produced
Thanks to laws in states like Michigan, where all air rifles over .18 caliber are considered to be firearms, the big box stores like Wal-Mart don’t stock the .22 air rifles any more. There may be exceptions in a few stores, but the last time I looked in three different states, .177 was all I could find! Crosman is a volume seller, so if they don’t have the sales in .22 as they do in .177, they will cancel the model. It has already happened in other Crosman guns, so don’t wait too long to get your gun.
Fortunately, airguns are sold by dealers like Pyramyd Air, but the combined volume of all airgun dealers is small compared to the big box stores. It won’t take too long before Crosman has to make a tough decision. By the way, .20 caliber guns are in jeopardy for the same reason.
Adults only, please!
The 392/397 is an adult-sized air rifle, though not overly long or heavy. The pull (distance from the butt to the trigger) is proportioned for adult sizes, plus the pump effort requires some strength that younger children don’t have. That’s fine, because the power level dictates that this rifle should be used by someone who can exercise great responsibility.
Classic design meets modern technology!
For decades, all Benjamin stocks were made of American walnut, a relatively fast-growing hardwood that has adequate strength for rifle stocks. Today, the gun has an “American hardwood” stock, which gives the manufacturer other options that may be more readily available. That probably contributes to the continued modest price of this rifle.
The stock is nicely sculpted in the classic American style that suits most shooters. The forearm has a very pronounced beavertail swelling where the hand grabs to pump the rifle. It would be cheaper to eliminate this swelling, but they keep it because it makes pumping easier.
You can’t do better than brass for a pneumatic barrel! It doesn’t rust when exposed to the condensation from every shot, and it can be made smoother than a steel barrel. Smoothness allows for good velocity and accuracy without a lot of after-rifling work.
How to make a great gun even better? Add a peep sight!
One really nice upgrade is the Crosman 64 peep sight. It installs easily and just about doubles the precision of your aim. You can install red dot sights and scopes as well, but for that you also need to buy the Crosman B272 4-piece Intermount to serve as a base for the dot sight or scope mounts.
With the right pellets, I get 0.50″ groups at 60 feet!
I recommend Crosman Premiers and JSB Exact domed pellets for both calibers of this rifle. Pyramyd says you can expect 1/2″ groups at 33 feet, but my experience says you’ll get that out to 60 feet – if you do your job! This air rifle is definitely one that can train you to be a better shot.
Quality American airguns are still being made – affordably!
The bottom line with these two air rifles is that they’re out of the past, yet as modern as they have to be. If you appreciate quality American products, these two certainly fit the bill. I guess you can tell I’m a big fan of this air rifle! I hope owners of these guns will comment on how much they enjoy them.
433 thoughts on “The Benjamin 392/397 – 60 years later!”
Hi.While growing up I graduated from a Daisy Red Rider to a Sheridan C9. Later I bought a 392. I loved those guns. They seem to shoot forever with a minimum of attention and expense, unlike springers, PCP and Co2 guns.
I put a low powered shotgun scope on my 392 but later went to a red dot sight as the red dot seemed to be just as accurate and was much quicker to use. The peep sight is better than either, in my opinion. Buy one or more of these guns. You won’t be sorry.
I read on reviewcentre.com that the crosman mounts & scopes are not very good, and the B-square mounts work better with the 392. Is that true? What scope would you recommend (other than Crosman’s)?
bbp, this is a site you and pyramid sould be linked from:
I haven’t heard that the Crosman Intermounts were not good, but I’ll let our other readers comment on them.
The Leapers Bug Buster scope is my pick for you. It needs two-piece one-inch rings. And it focuses down to nine feet!
Would these work, then?
And BTW, B.B. I am a happier man since I discovered pyramydair and your blog. Take it from someone who grew up behind the iron curtain, secretly watching John Wayne movies and dreaming of the open range. Now the Benji really sounds like a piece of Americana I cannot miss 😉
Those rings should fit the B-Square base listed to the left on that page. They look like they have Weaver bases (a cross-key to attach to a cross-slotted base) and they can only fit a Weaver or Picatinny base.
As far as fitting the scope, yes, they should fit it fine. The only question is whether the rings will stop where the scope tube is smooth, because the Bug Buster is short and has a very limited mounting area. The Weaver-type base dictates where the rings stop because of the location of the slots in the base.
Thanks for reading the blog and you will love the Benjamin!
I received a 0.22 Cal Benjamin Model 342 (predecessor to the 392???) for X-mas in 1976 as a 9 year old. It was an awesome gun and always outperformed all the neighbors 0.177 Cal Crosman or Daisy guns. Even in 1976 some of the kids guns had the cheap plastic stocks while mine had the nice wooden stock.
I actually still have the gun and today pulled it out to look at it. It is still in the original box I saved and I found a receipt from 1986 when I mailed it back to Benjamin factory (pre-Crosman) for repair and re-bluing ($32.00 for all that!!!). It still looks great and I think it is time to fire it again after sitting in the closet for 18 years.
Isn’t it great how a simple thing like an old pellet gun can bring back memories of a wonderful time?
And remember to always leave one or two pumps in the gun when you store it. That keeps the valves closed against dirt.
I too recently pulled out my old Model 342 and want to get it back in shape for my boys to use. At some point in the last 30 years (has it really been that long?) the rear sight has broken off. Can anyone recommend a place to purchase a sight or perhaps upgrade to a peep sight or scope?
I am a typical newbie that needs a inexpensive rifle to take care of some pests but also would like something that will be accurate, well made and fun to use. I am considering, based on your posts, the 22SG, 392 or the blue/silver streak. I dont mind paying an extra 50-100 bucks or so for much better quality. How would you compare the accuracy, quality/durabily and fun factor of these rifles? Is there something else under $200 that I should consider.
(For now I am only considering multipumps – although the 22cal Bejamin springer did catch my attention.)
Thanks for any help you can provide.
If you have the money, I recommend either one of the Sheridans or the Benjamin 392. They are all very nice guns and are accurate enough to pot a cottontail rabbit at 35 yards with open sights. I know because I have done it.
All three guns are more powerful than the 22SG, which is primarily why I am recommending them. I like the 22SG a lot, but it does not equal the fit and finish of any of the three other guns.
As for the Benjamin spring gun, I like multi-pumps better in this price range.
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Thanks for your quick response, I will probably purchase the 392.
But I keep lingering over the spring pistons…
Can you recommend a good quality spring piston for under $250 that is appropriate for someone who is newly interested in the hobby? For example the Gamo 890S, Beeman SS1000/GH950-GS1000. RWS24 or 34?
Sorry for all the questions, but the more I look at it the more I want and I am getting way beyond my original need.
You don’t need to apologise. Questions are what I’m here for.
Take a look at the Webley Exocet. Webley is a great name in spring guns. I’ve never tested one but I trust anything Webley makes in England.
If you just want to have fun, the IZH Baikal 61 cannot be beat. It’s accurate and inexpensive. Not very powerful, but a true delight to shoot.
My top pick with your budget is Beeman’s HW30. It is also not very powerful, but it has a wonderful heritage behind it. If you can squeak a few more dollars, the Beeman R7 is an all-time classic. You would be very proud to own one.
I have heard good things about the RWS 94. It is Spanish-made, but from what I hear, a cut above the rest.
I also like the Gamo Shadow 1000, but be prepared to break it in. Gamos take thousands of shots to become really good and smooth, while a Weihrauch breaks in in about 1,000 shots.
Thanks again, your are providing me quite an education. One thing – I am using this for some pest hunting so I need the 22cal. I need to double check, but I think the Webley is available in 22, R7 in 20. I like the light cocking effort on the R7 too.
Thanks for all of your help!
Please help! I have a Benjamin Franklin 342, .22 cal. Everything worked just fine until I hide it (from the kids) in the garage compartment last summer. I guest
the heat must have done a great damage to the rubber/sealer (that rubber thing that attaches to the
Now that when I pump.. it just glides thru very smoothly and does not generate air. I droped some W40
in the air hole (it says do not oil.. but I tried anyways according to a guy’s suggestions in the Diamonds air gun forum who had the same problems).. It still DOES NOT work.
What do I need to do now or what part(s) needs to be replaced/fixed. Thanks.
I have a Benjamin model 342 Air Rifle in need of repair. Unfortunately did not store with “a pump or 2” and I’m afraid dirt and time have taken a toll. Any ideas where I might turn to?
This is from the july 20 post. The index is on Sep 30.
George is a Texan who fixes American pneumatics. His business card says “Benjamin, Sheridan and old Crosman model 140/1400 pneumatic air rifle repair.” He puts them back to factory specs. I’ve shot a vintage Sheridan he resealed, and he did a great job. Not only does the gun shoot like new, he didn’t mess up the vintage finish on a significant collectible while he did the work! George is at firstname.lastname@example.org or 512-863-2951.
Rick is in Pennsylvania, where he repairs vintage and modern Crosman, Benjamin and Sheridan guns. Rick is another guy who has been doing this for several decades, and he’s very methodical in his work. He will restore airguns to operational specs, but he won’t increase power in guns beyond the factory levels. Contact him at email@example.com or call 717-382-1481.
Either of these two guys is perfect for your needs. Merry Christmas,
I bought a Benjamin 392 in 1975 and still have it today. It still shoots like new and never
needed any repair. The Benjamin has laid to rest many pests and even taken game as large as racoons.
I have bought and sold many other airguns from diasy, marksman, beeman, crosman and RWS but
this one will never be sold.
Thanks for that report.
Still rings true. I purchased the Benjamin 392 Commerative. I have number 142 of the 500 that are going to be made. It comes with a nice scope that must be worth at least $70.00. It is just wonderful to fire and accurate. A very comfortable rifle to handle. I like it and will care for it so it will hold it’s value and maybe increase. Thanks for the information on it which helped make my decision to purchase… F Nash
Trying to find a repair or restoration parts for a 1960’s Benjamin Franklin pellet rifle 177cal.
It’s a Benjamin, not a Benjamin Franklin. That’s just a play on the company name.
Try the airgun fit-it stations listed in this blog:
great site… not very web savy, so I just found it 🙂
I’ve got an old pneumatic in .20 that I believe to be a sheridan, but it’s unmarked except the end cap with the thumb depress safety, which says “hold down to fire”
The forend/ pump handle is straight, not a short corn cobb or beavertailed, and extends to within about 2″ of the muzzle end, the grain is continuous from butt end to muzzle.
I’d like to find a reseal kit for this and return it to shooting condition, as it was given to me some years ago as “the most innacurate air gun I’ve ever shot” no wonder this, as he was firing .177 pellets in it.
I’d like to reseal the gun myself, as I’m relativley mechanically inclined, but I don’t know where to buy the parts, any ideas?
Hopefully the description will help you date the gun in case there was a part difference.
On another note, do you happen to know what the original velocity was for the german made “tell II” air pistols, made back in the 20’s or 30’s? (interesting little spring piston guns where the piston surrounds the barrel)
The tell II shoots, but seems a little underpowered, probably from 70+ years of use. I’d like to have this one gone over by a profesional (wouldn’t want to try and tackle that one!) but have no idea where to start looking for someone who’s fammiliar with them.
thanks for any help you can provide, and sorry about being long winded!
I bought a Benjamin 342 years ago for my father to control sparrows and starlings on his Purple Martin nesting boxes. He has moved up to bigger and better air rifles now and he recently gavee the Benjamin back to me. The pump mechinism is broken and I think a part is missing. Can you reccomend a good repair shop to send my gun to for repair?
Thanks for you help
My first and only gun right know is an Avanti 853 legend. Dont get me wrong I love this gun the accuracy is amazing but the knockdown power is not so great. Im a kid and I want some power!:) Anyway I was wondering do you think a 15 year old male could easily pump this gun. Also I am living in NJ and I am forced to shoot indoors I have a 55 foot+ range with cement walls do you think this rifle is too powerfull to shoot indoors?
Thanks in advance,
I was out of the office until today. Sorry for the delay answering you.
There are two great Benjamin repair stations:
Rick Willnecker at firstname.lastname@example.org or call 717-382-1481
George Pena at email@example.com or 512-863-2951.
Yes, you can pump the Benjamin. Up to five pumps will be easy. Pumps six through eight will be harder, but you don’t always need them.
If you want more power at a great price, this is a great way to go.
i am 14 years old and 5’1 and 106 pounds
i currently have the daisy 880
i would like to upgrade to either the 392 or the 22sg
money is not an issue but i heard that the 392 is hard to pump nad wheny you mount a scope with the 4- piece intermounts, then it will be harder to pump because you cant get a good hold
also i heard that you need a long eye relief scope
i have the daisy powerline 3x-9x 32mm
scope…will this be good on the 392?
or should i get the 22sg
i mainly want to use it for plinking and hunting squirrels, possums, and feathered pests
which gun should i get???
Good question. You have obviously thought this thing through. I would recommend the Daisy 22SG for two reasons. First, it handles a scope better and it sounds to me like you have your heart set on a scope. And of course it comes with a scope, too. The second reason is the additional effort the 392 takes with pumps 6 through 8. The Daisy is also harder as the number of pumps increases, but not as hard as the Benjamin.
I have no doubt you can handle either rifle, but the way you want to use it, I’d get the Daisy. On possums I’d be sure to use a head shot, only.
Hello there i have the older model 880 the cast version tells you how old it is one of the first 880’s on the market.I believe. i got it back in the early 80’s.As a kid i have killed more animals with it then you can imagine,My favorite pellet was the promethus bullet,it was a lite pellet at the time they were black. now only in yellow i believe.A friend i used to hang arroud with never had a gun so i sold him a 397 he sent it in had it redone and i had a tough time shooting agains him.i believe he still has the gun to this day .I have resaled this gun once but am no longer able to find the relief vale for it.so it looks like im on the market for a new 397.would like to find a older one and redo myself.but the little 880 served me for over 20 yrs i still shoot it on occansion but it’s time to retire it i believe .mike
Hi My Name Is Alex And I was debating on getting a Benjamin Sheridan Pump Gun. I was wondering what your recomendations would be on what cal to get either the .177 or the .22 I am trying to get rid of a couple blackbirds near my house. I also would like to know what pellets work the best with this gun and for pest shooting. Thank you
hello i was wondering if you guys can help me, i have a 397 in the ranch and we use it for pest, love that rifle i have had it for around 7 years and still works like new, i gave the rifle to my younger brohter and wanted to get myself a new one, i was looking at the 392, shadow 1000, and the mendoza 2003, any recomendations, and what would you guys recomend spring or pump? thanks:D
You already know what a wonderful airgun this is. I vote for the 392. The other two are spring guns that require a lot of shooting technique to use. As for the Mendoza, I hear many bad reports. I’d stay away from that model.
Thanks ill be getting one next week from you guys thanks alot!!!!
Im considering returning the diasy and exchanging it for a blue streak or a 392.
Does the blue streak outperform the 392? I can get a blue streak locally.
The Blue Streak and 392 are very equivalent.
im putting my friends 392 to the test.
Do you have any tips on testing the 392?
I’m going to sight it with a BSA 3-12x 44mm scope.
Don’t touch the scope when handling the rifle. Multi-pumps with scopes are VERY sensitive to handling.
Also, try five pumps or six instead of the maximum. The rifle may be more accurate.
Just ordered a 392 last night, and I’m looking forward to its delivery. I used to own a Blue Streak back in the early ’70s, and used to hunt squirrels in San Jose, CA before the fields got covered over in silicon. Those were the days.
Anyway, my wife got tired of the crows eating to their hearts content in our cherry tree, and said it was time to get an air rifle. The last time she appealed to my basic caveman nature, I went out and bought a bigger sailboat. Bless her heart. So, I was all over the airgun idea. Initially, she wanted a BB gun. I kinda rolled my eyes, and said no, “we” need something with a little more umph. The Sheridan is what I had on my mind.
I did a web search, and found your web site, among others. After a week of doing my research, I decided that the Benjamin would be the most practical rifle for “our” needs.
This decision was not easily made. I found that there were quite a few other rifles that I wanted, in particular, the Webley Xocet and the RWS 34. After agonizing over all the pros and cons of owning a “nicer” model over the 392, I finally came down to earth. “We” just want to do a little pest control and not spend a lot of money on something we don’t need. But I would have really liked the Webley even if it was just for some casual plinking.
Anyway, I let my practical side won out. The Webley or RWS 34 would probably have been too powerfull for the backyard. With the Benjamin, I can regulate the velocity of the gun for pest control and just plinking around when I need a break in the afternoon from staring at a computer monitor. Plus, the lack of recoil will make it more comfortable for my wife to use. She should be able to handle four or five pumps as well. Who knows, maybe the Benjamin will encourage her to get “us” a Webley that with us when we sail to some of the islands in the Puget Sound.
My wife took posession of my Blue Streak when rats invaded out house. Development in the woods nearby drove hundreds of rats in all directions.
I taught her how to use it and she killed at least 11, including five in a row that were just sunning themselves on our steps. Her best shot was a between-the-eyes offhand shot from 25 feet.
I had to put a yellow twist tie around the triggerguard so she could identify the Blue Streak among my other airguns (the pellet box was yellow in those days).
So I understand,
Im really falling in love with this rifle. I shot Crow magnums, predators, gamo humters, daisy flat nose, and kodiaks through it. I was suprised to find that the predators gave me a .75group at 10 yards. The diablos gave me the best groupings, .40 at 10 yards. Crow mangums gave .65 with 5 shots. Diasy flat nose gave me groups a little bit tighter then the crow magnums. The gamo hunters were the worst for some reason. I must have got a bad batch. I noticed some of them were a little bent.
The bolt is really easy. I REALLY LOVE THE FEEL OF THIS RIFLE! It would have been nice if it had fiber optic sights. This might have been the rifle I wanted all along.
This is the best Air Rifle I have ever used. 🙂
What scope mounting system is best for this rifle??
What do I need to mount a scope closer to the cheek piece?
I want something like this system on my rifle.
http://www.airgunexpress.com/NEWJPEGS/115-48-0397-E.jpg – copy and paste to adress bar.
What pieces would I need to install a system like this?
That’s just a B-Square 17010 Weaver scope base. Pyramyd sells it. Don’t forget to use Weaver rings.
I found it 🙂
its a B-Square Blue Streak Weaver Mount w/Rings. 🙂
I shot about 100 premiers and 100 benjamin pellets through the 392. I mounted the installed the bsquare system and mounted my 3-9×32 leapers scope to it. The rear sight got in the way when i mounted it though, so I positioned the scope turret closer to the rear ring. The scope sits right behind the rear sight. The b-square piece is Tight and I applied locktite to the screws and let it sit overnight after I installed it.
The groups will come and go. after placing a few shots after the windage or elevation pieces are set. It shots at random spots.
Example: It was shooting a few clicks to the right and several clicks to low. After a few clicks to the left and the impact point is vertically alligned with the target point. I will turn it up for a higher impact point and all of a sudden the next few shots will fall to far to the left and move a few clicks up from its last impact point. Is the scope the problem???
I had a little bit of a problem when i mounted it on the shadow 1000. I had to keep aligning it. I tried to mount the bsa 3-12 x44 scope but the rear piece of the sights that are installed on the benjamin will get in the wayand wont allow it to sit correctly on the front ring.
The bsqaure mount IS SOLID. REal tight.
What do you think the problems are BB?
What would you do if your were in my position?
Can anyone help please??? 😐
Thank you bb.
I took 4 shots ater each adjustment. I hate to think the leapers scope is the problem becuase that would be the 3rd defected item from pyramid.
Tell me how far out both the windage and elevation knobs are turned.
The top turret was turned 900 degrees south. The windage was turned 540 degrees west. I hope that answeres your question.
What you are telling me is that both knobs have been rotated many TIMES to bring the reticle and striking point of the pellet together. I believe that is the problem. I can’t tell how far 900 degrees south (down?) is, but I know it’s a lot. The reason I can’t tell is I don’t know where the knob was set when you started. While you would THINK it was exactly in the center of the range of travel, I have never seen one come from the factory that way. So if you are schrunched way down on the elevation, the erector tube spring may be compressed.
If you have gone in the other direction, the spring is relaxed and that WILL CAUSE the shifting aim points you describe. In fact, that is the LEADING contributor to “scope shift!”
You need adjustable scope mounts to resolve this problem. That way the scope knobs can be centered and the mounts will account for the aim-off you need to get sighted in.
Read this post:
I exchanged the gun for another one off the shelf. I sighted it to have the impact of the pellet fall 1.5 inches under the center of the riticle. It is vertically aligned with the reticle and the premiers are falling into the same hole every time. I noticed alot of friction when I started pumping it the first 20 shots. I pumped each shot up to 5 pumps. It has started to get smoother.
Should I add pellgunoil to the joints, or is this just what happens when the joints are not in motion for an extended time?
How do you keep your 392 in tip top shape?
I decided to exchange it after checking for and discovering more run away pellets with open sights.
I read the posts you directed me to. thank you.
Pellgunoil isn’t a good lubricant. It’s more of a sealant. So for all the joints, I’d suggest a common household oil. Just a drop per joint should do it.
Five pumps is usually the most accurate spot for a Benjamin, by the way.
Household oils like cooking oils?
What about 3 in 1 oil?
I found it at a local bi-mart and I spoke to a associate about it and he siad he used it on his old crosman.
The only oils I have in the house are cooking oils.
Household oils as in 3-in-1. Cooking oils are not good for gun lubrication because they don’t have the viscosity you need.
Most homes keep a can of 3-in-1 for lubricating the hinges when they squeak.
Would you happen to know the difference between the updated model 392 and a model 342? Will the model 392 repair kit at pyramydair be compatible with my model 342?
I suspect that it is, but I don’t know for sure. I would call Crosman and ask their technical people.
When you ask, ask whether the 392 parts fit. There is no kit, officially. Pyramyd Air provides it as a service to their customers, but Crosman will not recognize it.
I shaved the b-square attachment part of the benjamin 392. I dont know the names of the parts but the scew from the b-square attachment kit and the part you screw it into on the beji are both shaved really bad. What can I do to fix the problem????
I over tightened it becuase I couldnt get the mounting to sit properly. I uninstalled it and tilted it back a bit and installed it. When i started tightening the front part, the scew justs kept rolling as if it had no thread. I un installed it and discovered that both the screw and the benji was shaved.
Is this a problem that only crosman can fix?
It sounds like you have stripped the screw threads from the holes. The solution for this is to drill the holes larger and tap them with larger threads. Then use an appropriate screw.
I had never seen or heard of a Benjamin Sheridan until a couple of months ago. I owned a Crosman 76 (?) over twenty years ago as a young teen — it was a pretty good back then. About a year ago I bought a Crosman 357 for kicks.
I was over a friends house and he had one of these Benjamin Sheridans proped against the door. I had just glanced at it, and with its short and stocky appearance I thought it was a shootgun until he picked it up to disuade a squirrel out of his garden. Having never seen a hardwood pellet gun, and with the looks of it I have to have one.
Well, my question is what are the subtle differences between the 392 (.22 cal) and the (.20)Blue Streak. I’m leaning towards the 392 because of the heavier caliber, cheaper price and higher availability of ammo.
The Blue Streak does seem to have a slightly more stremlined look. Is the quality higher in the .20 caliber? What are the differences (better quality, more agressive look, traditional mantle bearer???), if any. Which would you recommend for any given circumstance and why. I’m sure I’d be happy with either one, but this will be the only air rifle I will own, and I want to get the right one. I read you own the .20 cal and a .22 cal of something pricier? Help me to make the right choice because compared with your knowledge of this product I’m relatively clueless.
SOLD in N.C.
… And sir,
How difficult is it to install the peepsight, and does Pyramid Air install this sight for you if requested?
Sold in N.C.
SOLD in N.C.,
There isn’t much difference between the two rifles today. Crosman bought both companies years ago and the two rifles have slowly morphed together into essentially the same gun. Crosman also has ceased production of their .20 caliber Premier pellet, so there is one less great pellet for the Blue Streak. I would get the Benjamin, if I were you.
The peep sight used to be a very simple affait to install. Just bolt it on and that’s it. The screws and holes are already there.
Having said that, it’s best to ask Pyramyd Air when you place your order. I know they do offer services like mounting scopes, so there is a strong possibility they will mount this sight for you.
The best pellet for your gun is the JSB Exact domed pellet. It should be quite accurate.
Enjoy your new airgun!
Hey B.B. Pelletier,
what scope would you recommend for this gun, aswell as mounts and rings? i plan on buying this rifle and don’t know what to get for it.
also, which caliber would you recommend or prefer?
and for either caliber, which brand of pellets or bbs are the most accurate in your opinion?
thank you for your time. i look forward to your advice.
I don’t believe in scopes on multi-pump pneumatics. They make the gun too hard to pump. My choice is the Williams peep sight.
However, if I were to mount a scope on the 392/397 I would use the B-Square Weaver scope base for Benjamin Sheridan Blue Streak. Although this mount specifically does not say that it’s for the 397/392, Crosman makes both those rifle and the Blue Streak and there isn’t much difference between them. Pyramyd also shows that this mount is for the Benjamin rifles.
Use AccuShot 2-piece 1-inch Weaver rings and I would mount a Bug Buster or Bug Buster 2. These are Leapers scopes that focus as close as 3 yards. The Bug Buster is 4 power, the Bug Buster 2 is 6.
TThanks for the advice! I got my 392 via regular land transport (2 days) today. Great gun, no comparison to the cheap plastic air rifles.
SOLD in N.C.
I’ve seen one person’s new 392LE destroyed by what Crosman deems ‘Scope too heavy.’ The scope was mounted on the factory cut dovetail, and after a couple weeks, the whole barrel and breech broke off at the solder joint. Is there any way around this? Are there any mounts that wrap around the entire pump tube instead of just clamping to the barrel?
There are no scope mounts that wrap about the entire pump tube.
do you have to use a scope with the 392 sheridan? can i just use it out the box?
I don’t even recommend scoping a multi-pump. Use it the way it comes from the factory!
Thanks for the recommendation B.B.
I bought mine yesterday morning and snuck it past my wife. I waited for her to go out and then I went in the Back yard to check it out and sight it in. The open sights were a bit off but with a few adjustments I was getting great groups with benjamin .22 diabolo’s. I went to make one last adjustment to the elevation and part of the tip on top for the flat head screw driver popped right off so I broght it back and exchanged it for a new one. I brought that one to my buddys house for our ussual friday afternoon plinking. I pulled it out and went to sight it in and my first five shots were all really tight, it is a little bit of a bear to get the last 2 pumps especially since I have been ussing my springers so long but I have found that for just plinking aroung 5 to 6 punps have been plenty. we have taken various small sppons and bent the handles around poles that we put at different ranges, for the rest of the afternoon I shot 13 times at the small soup spoon at 20 yrds and hit it 13 out of 13 times with the open sights (that I never adjusted), My friend had initially boohooed a pump gun but was really impressed with how good looking and accurate it was, but mainly how powerful it was “for some pump gun” as he put it. He handed me one of his 20 gr Eun Jin pelles he uses on his Sumatra and I still nailed the spoon at 20 yrds with out needing to adjust for elevation. I plan on using the open sight and not mounting a scope on this rifle.It did need some cleaning up from the box, the metal needed a good rub down and I lightly oiled the stock and rubbed it down and now it is beautiful. It looks great next to the rest of my guns and adds a little variety to my collection. I am very happy I bought it and my wife should be too when I tell her next month – Thanks for another winner – AppleManiac
I have a Benjamin Model 112. It belonged to one of my uncle’s and the only thing I know about the gun is that it dates back to the early 1940’s. It was missing the trigger and a gentleman in INdiana replaced it. Any info you have would be most appreciated. thanks….Bill B
According to the Blue Book the 112 was made from 1938 to 1941. It has a transition-style pump, that attemps to transition from a front-pumper to an underlever. This pump is very weak a prone to wear out. The pins are too small and they loosen up from use.
The value of the gun ranges from $40 in working condition and no finish up to $200 with all the original black nickle over silver nickle and in a good box.
On Feb. 4th ’06 Doug called his 1960s pellet rifle a Benjamin Franklin. B.B. Pelletier said “It’s a Benjamin, not a Benjamin Franklin. That’s just a play on the company name.” I have a late ’60s model 312 and on the left side, below the bolt, it says “Benjamin Franklin”.
By the way there is a “potential problem” with several older airguns and they are offering $50.00 credit toward the purchase of a 392 or a 397. Roy
Once again – there is no Benjamin Franklin airgun. When something is put in quotes and isn’t a direct quote, it means that everything inside the quotation marks is untrue. This is a gramatical way of expressing a tongue-in-cheek joke.
In the day when Benjamin did that (put those words on left side the gun in quotes) people read more and got the inference. Today, it causes a lot of confusion.
I’m aware that Crosman (not Pyramyd Air) is offering credit for these old guns. They want to remove them from the market. Fortunately there are plenty of places to get them repaired.
Crosman’s hangup is that the triggers are lighter than today’s guns, there are no safeties and they are concerned about liability, since they own the company.
Your last two paragraphs were interesting, I was all set to trade my old 312 (it needs some work on it, after all of these years) in on a new 392, it seems to be well liked, (the 392s) by the comments I’ve read in this column. Now I’m going to have to rethink my earlier decision. Roy
A 312 is virtually identical in power and accuracy to a 392. And the old gun is slimmer than the new one. While the 392 is in no way any worse than the old one, itr’s also no better in terms of performance.
Your old gun is probably worth about the $50 credit Crosman offers, but spending some more getting it fixed up would probably be a good idea.
Contact George Pena.
George is at firstname.lastname@example.org or 512-863-2951.
I was looking at the three models on the Pyramyd Air site, (392, 397, C9) and it quotes a speed of 675 for the blue streak, and 685 for the 392. Does the .22 gun really put out that much more power!?
The power of the Blue Streak and the 392 are identical. The numbers quoted are just numbers. Figure them to be equal in power. Ten f.p.s. is too close to call, and each rifle will differ by more than that.
The 397 does lose energy because of the lighter .177 pellet.
I just bought the 392 from you guys, and a scope and the B272 mounts that I need to mount on the gun before I can mount the scope.
My big problem is that after the screws are all the way in, they still slide up and down the barrel. There’s no way to tighten them enough and I have no way to use the scope.
Also, it seems the only place to mount the scope is halfway down the barrel even if I could get the intermounts to stay in one place.
Could you please provide me with some advice to get this to work?
Thanks a lot,
I answered this question on the other post you attached it to.
You need to call Pyramyd Air and talk to a customer representative. They will handle this problem for you. The intermount is designed specifically for this rifle, so the one you received must have a problem.
When buying a used 392 or C9, is there anything to watch out for? How much should I expect to pay for an older model, but not old enough to be collectable? I’ve got one on the radar, so I’m pretty curious.
Besides not working or holding air, the biggest fault both rifles have is a broken solder joint between the barrel and the pump tube. The culprit is the intermounts. When they are tightened too much, they pop the barrel loose.
I have a .22 cal benjamin model 342 and was wondering if there is a kit i can repair it with. the rubber/leather seal has been damaged from sitting for so many years and will not pump air. it justs pumps very smoothly and does not compress air. it was my brothers and i would like to fix it and give it back to him as a suprise. thank you so much
Call Pyramyd Air and ask Boris if he has a kit for you. I believ he does. 888-262-4867.
I bought a daisy powerline 1000 with a scope earlier this summer and Ive had a lot of accuracy problems. I can’t tell if Im just not used to the peculiar recoil of spring guns or if there is a problem with the gun or scope. I was thinking of purchasing a 392 because of its paucity of recoil. Do you think the 392 is an overall more accurate gun than the powerline 1000? Also I’ve heard good things about the new predator polymer tipped hollow points. Have you ever tried them with the 392? Thanks a lot.
A 392 is probably not more accurate than a Powerline 1000, but it is much easier to shoot.
Those pellets with polymer tips are not as accurate as the pellets I keeps mentioning – the JSB Exact domed and the Beeman Kodiak. I haven’t tried them in a 392, but I have tested them at distance extensively in an AirForce Talon SS. A rifle that groups 3/8″ at 35 yards with JSB domes will group about 3/4″ with the JSB Predators (that’s the name of the hollowpoint pellets we are talking about).
Two more questions: I was under the impression that the 392 and the .20 cal bluestreak are essentially the same rifle in different calibers, however they are both listed at 685 fps on your site. Is this a mistake or is there actually a difference in power plants? Secondly, have you ever tried the benjamin sheridan cylindrical pellets in either of these uns and if so how do they perform? Thanks a lot.
These used to be different guns made by different companies. Then Benjamin bought Sheridan, and still later Corsman bought Benjamin.
Now the rifles are essentially the same. They differ in some small ways, but caliber is the biggest.
The cylindrical pellets do not group as tightly as the better diabolos. At close range (under 20 yards) they are fine, but I would use a diabolo at longer ranges.
Leave it to the lawmakers to dictate what a fire arm is.
I bought a 392 12 yrs ago,I wanted one 50 years but I couldn’t talk my dad into it so had to wait.When I did buy it I also bought one for my son,we both shoot a lot and we take starlings well past 50yds.Mine is geting polished from pumping but it is still shooting at max velocity,this I have checked with a chronograph. R.R.
Have you ever tried a 397 with a pellet weight about that of the .22? Offhand, I seem to recall you could get .177’s in the 14-15 gr category.
I realize there may be other inefficiencies besides the light pellet.
I have not tried a 397 with an extra-heavy pellet. I don’t own a 397, so all my shooting is with.20 and .22 multi-pumps. I do know that extra-heavy .20 and .22 pellets are not as accurate as medium-weight pellets.
BB, i want this gun but i dont know if i should get it is this gun have accuracy and will it take down a squirel for instance with out causing 2 much pain thanks
I believe you mean will it kill the animal without suffering? The answer nis yes, with a good shot, it will do that. My pick is the 392 because .22 caliber is a preferred hunting caliber. Shoot for the brain and only as far as you can hit a quarter every time. For most people, that would be 15-25 yards.
BB, thanks for awnsering so quickly I most likely will get this gun keep up the good work bb
BB, could you tell me what pellets would be best for this gun?Those one pellets that are called hyper volicity lead free pellets are those good for the benjamin.if not thats fine.I need to know some good pellets so i can order them with the benjamin thanks alot
No, the lead pellets will be more accurate.
Try Benjamin Sheridan Diabolos, which is a domed pellet weighing 14.3 grains in .22. You can either buy them from Pyramyd Air or some Wal Marts sell them.
BB thanks alot for the info i will be sure to get those.
BB, is this gun hard to cock I want to get it for my 14yr old son.
thanks micheal anthony gallord the 3
i meant pump and it like did i twice.
thanks micheal anthony gallord the 3
Yes, the 392 is too hard for a 14 year-old, unless he’s a bodybuilder. You might think about the Daisy 22SG or the Benjamin 392AS.
BB, i dont know if this matters but he can lift about 70lbs easly thx
hey BB when im pumping by benjamin it makes a pshh noise wen i pump it is this normal thanks
Yes thats normal. That is just air filling up from the suction effect after rod gets past air hole. To me the louder that noise means better the compression.
I assume this noise is coming from the muzzle? If so, no, it is not normal or good.
Here is what you need to do:
1. Get Crosman Pellgunoil. Open the pump handle and drop four drops of oil on the pump head that just becomes visible at the end of the pump slot when the pump handle is all the way open.
2. Cock the gun, then pump it rapidly and shoot it 50 times with a pellet in it. Pump 5-8 pump strokes each time. Make the final ten shots 8 strokes each.
3. This time when you set the gun aside, put two pumps in it for storage.
Your valve has dired out from the gun being stored without air in it and this should fix it.
well i just got the gun yesterday.hopefully the oil will fix it but i have too order it because no where around here sells it. would oil for a gas airsoft guns work it is silcon here is the link. https://www.pyramydair.com/product/ics-airsoft-silicone-oil-spray?a=772
will that stuff work thanks mark
BB its just when i pump the gun it makes the pshh noise then when the pumper part hits the barrel part it dosent make that noise
The silicone oil for airsoft guns might work, but I don’t know for sure. Pellgunoil has been used for decades for this purpose.
Try my recommendation before doing anything else.
How old is your rifle?
i will get the pellegun oil. my gun is 2 days old. and i figured out that the pshh noise is coming from this little hole it says air hole do not oil. is that normal?
Yes, that is entirely normal. Still, get the Pellgunoil and always store your rifle with a pump of air in it.
Thanks alot thats a relief i thought it was broken their for a second thanks bb
i’m still trying to get a benjamin 392, i’ve checked almost all pawn shops around 30 miles from my house, my parents won’t drive me to any gun shows, and they won’t put any credit card numbers on the internet for fear that ‘someone’ will ‘hack’ it and take their money. its also a no go in the classifieds. craigslist.com has no towns in the area that my parents will drive to, and garage sales are also bereft of bb guns of any kind. i’m runnin out of options and ideas.
How does the Gamo Shadow 1000 compare to the 392 in accuracy with open sights(if u discount the fact that i don’t know the correct way to hold and shoot springers)? I’m confident that a shot to the head on rabbits with a .177 caliber pellet rifle will kill them. Right? And i wont be shootin anything larger than rabbits either. walmart (which is ’bout 15 miles from me) sells the shadows (but at lower quality to save price i would think). Would u suggest me buying this? I’m not gettin desperate, but a .22 rifle just is too dangerous to casually shoot around the house, and that means my shotgun is out of the question. i need something to get me out of the house and away from the computer, tv, ps2, etc. and my mom thinks so too.
I’d really like the 392, but i’m pretty sure i cant get one. the shadow is a likely possibility though.
p.s. would crosman premiers be accurate with the shadow?
Is there an alternate way to pay when u buy something on pyramyd air?
mailing a check?
hope im not being a bother,
You have been patient and have tried the sources I suggested.
A Gamo Shadow would be as good as a 392, but they were recently recalled by Gamo. I don’t know their status right now.
Yes, a Shadow will take a rabbit as you describe.
I don’t know whether Pyramyd will take a check or not, but a call would find out real quick.
By the way, my own credit card info was stolen and used to by jewelry in Japan, so I know how your parents feel. Mine was probably taken by a U.S. restaurant inside team that steals CC slips. I now pay all domestic bills by cash if humans are involved.
That must haved ruined your day, would it be rude of me to ask how much u lost? and if u recovered the money?
So i assume u dont know why the shadows were recalled, but do u know how i could find out more about it? Nevermind, i’ll google it.
I searched pyramyd air and found that u can pay by check!! problem solved!! and i’ve now got a bonus, if i buy the benjamin 392 and ten dollars worth of pellets i get eleven dollars off shipping!! Now all I have to do is collect the money!!!!!
thx for ur help bb, i should have checked the site more thouroughly and saved u, me, and my parents the time. thx for all the help, too, and, ironicaly, ur help really helped me.
I can’t wait for ur next blog, i find myself sitting on the edge of my seat through the long nights, avidly awaiting ur next post… well, maybe i dont go that far, but i do enjoy ur priceless information on bb guns, pellet rifles, bbs, pellets, etc.
thx alot and thx for the blogs, the enjoyment, the help, and everything u have done for us pellet rifle enthusiasts,
I nvr see any 392s on the sale/used lists, do u have any, shall we say hints?, of when the 392 may become available?
oh and that izh 61 looks really good too, i remembered something about the izh in ur blogs and went looking for it. I think i’ll buy this first for plinking until i can force myself to save the money forthe benjamin 392. 150 dollars is a lot of money (for me) and get many ideas of wat else i can buy with it( i guess im an impulse shopper) what is the izh’s accuracy at about 30-40 yards?(will it hit a pop can or a quarter?)
I would really like to go bug bustin, but the only insects around my house that i actually notice are butterflies, june bugs, asian beetles, boxelder bugs, honey bees, and sometimes a yellowjacket, most of which arent to good to shoot.
so would i be able to kill a squirrel with a headshot with the izh at 10 yards? just wonderin.
I’m surprised you haven’t found the American Airguns classified ads yet. Someone who spends as much time on the internet as you do should certainly have stumbled onto them by now.
Go here (and bookmark the address!).
Also go here
This is the directory to what’s out there.
You should start seeing lots of 392s soon.
Now, BUY A COPY OF THIS BOOK!!!
Blue Book of Airguns 5th Edition.
I say that because there are MANY rifles equivalent to the 392. For instance, how about the Benjamin 342? It’s practically the same rifle. What about a Crosman 140 or 1400? Same power and accuracy, different valve design. As long as you are buying used, there is a whole world of opportunity out there.
Get the book, so you know better what to look for.
And, NO, an IZH 61 SHOULD NOT be used on animals! Insects are fine, though.
I have stumbled upon them before, but i didnt really think i’d use them alot.
I’ll keep an eye out for the Blue Book of Airguns 5th Edition. Some book store than?
When I get used to plinking with the IZH-61 I’ll move to insects, grasshoppers invade our area in the summer, and i think they’re pests, and my parents gave me permission.. so.
I’m definetly going for the IZH-61, it’s cheaper, more accurate(right?), and i like the design.
I’m already having luck with the sites u gave me thx!!
the izh 61 gets the air pressure from cocking the side lever, right? and when the lever is pulled back u insert the pellet clip?
And speaking of pellets, which do u think work best in this rifle? crosman premiers?
Close but not exact. You cock the mainspring with the sidelever. The air is compressed when the piston moves rapidly forward, shoved by the mainspring.
I recommend wadcutters in this rifle Gamo Match are good.
so the izh is like a springer then?
i’ll look out for the wadcutters!
over the weekend i saw a benjamin 392 airsource (uses co2) on sale for 109.99. wow. what do u think? should i get it? the fps of this rifle is down quite a bit,i would have to buy co2 for it, or refill the tank.
accuracy shouldnt be affected, but the velocity would change with the temp. right? It’s $140 when its not on sale, so what do u think I want the benjamin 392, but is it worth it to get this? what r ur opinions on this rifle like this?
I happen to own an AS392T and I like it a lot. The receiver is steel and has a longer scope rail than the pneumatic, so it is much easier to scope. Yes, the power is lower and, yes, it varies with temperature. Below 50 degrees F it won’t shoot too hard. But it’s a fine airgun.
Yes, get it.
wow. superfast reply! thanks! wont be too much fun in the winter then i guess, could i shoot it in my basement?
the co2 tanks cost almost ten dollars i see, is there an alternative? refills are about 20 cents an ounce so it wouldnt be too big of a deal, especially if i buy a few tanks to keep filled if i run out. would u use this gun for squirrels and rabbits? thats what i would like to do with it.
How many fps does it get on low power?
i guess co2 refills could be a problem. I think i might stick to the 392 pump or the izh 61. i want a consistent power, variable, pellet rifle that works in varying temps, with a bit more power. or a light very accurate rifle such as the izh 61.
I’ve read your reviews and blogs extensively, and they have helped out tremendously, thanks!
Despite reading the reviews on the Daisy 22 SG, and the Benjamin 392, I’m stuck on which one I should choose.
My priorties are mainly accuracy, balance, and quality. I now own a Gamo Shadow 1000, but I’d rather have a good, pneumatic .22 for hunting purposes. I shoot mainly squirrels, and at crows(their so hard to hit!) I’m a strong guy, and wouldn’t have to worry about the extra effort to pump. Either one I buy, I’m going to want to put the Leapers 4×32 Bugbuster on it, since I hear its a pretty amazing scope for the bucks. Also, money isn’t really an issue here, I’m willing to pay a little more for better quality.
Then I think there is no choice. You have to get the 392!
I own a benjamin Sheridan 397 and I was wondering what your opinion on this is regarding the power of it. I have takenabout 4 squirrels no problem all with good shot placement of course, but overall do you feel the 397 has good power for small game hunting? Thanks for reading.
The Benjamin 397 is fine for hunting small game. Just keep the distances and the size of the game reasonable. You should be able to take cottontail rabbits.
I have a Benjamin Model 342 that I got as a kid in the early 70’s. Is there a way to find out the year it was made?
You might ask Crosman, who owns the Benjamin company.
I’ve had a 392 about 3 weeks now, cool little gun, kinda grows on you. Looks a bit toy-like at first, until you fire it. My questions is this, what’s the best way to clean these brass-barreled guns? Owners manul says nothing about cleaning the bore. So far I’ve just used oiled patches and quick-clean pellets. I’m afraid to use a bore brush. Any suggestions?
Never clean the barrel! That’s why they don’t mention it. A brass barrel can be ruined by cleaning, or last more than a hundred years by just shooting lead pellets.
No synthetics, no novelty pellets, Just lead and no cleaning.
Eeeeck! Glad I asked! Thanks for the quick reply.
I finally recieved my 392, and am kinda displeased with it. The quality of the gun is great, and I like the accuracy. However, I dont’t like the pumping. I’m not sure if its because I am used to spring guns, but it is just too timeconsuming, and cumbersome for me. If I was to miss the squirrel, there no chance on this good green earth for a quick second shot. Also, I have put the gun between my legs, and press it against my body just to be able to pump it, which won’t work with a scope.
So my question to you is, what is a springer thats good for accuracy in this price range? (take or give $25-50) I was looking at the Crosman 800x, but have heard that their accuracy isn’t that great. If the accuracy is as respectable as my Gamo Shadow 1000, thats fine.
So,do u think I should just stick with my 392, and try to get used to it? Or should I try out the Crosman 800x?
A multi-pump appeals to some people but not others. It’s like a flintlock rifle that takes longer to get ready, so the shooter takes extra care with the shot. If that’s not for you, I recommend a spring gun.
You want a .22 with the same accuracy as a Gamo Shadow 1000. That isn’t easy, but the BAM B26 is one solution, and the B40 is an even better one.
Wow thanks for the quick reply. So the crosman isn’t even a candidate? I’ve read around a bit since I posted that last question, and read that after around 50-100 shots, it becomes a good rifle. Is that even a feasable acclaim?
I’ve done some more looking and have come across the Beeman SS1000, and it seems like a great deal. Just by the performance of their pellets, and the look of their guns, Beeman seems to be great quality, is this a good gun?
Beeman is just an importer. Their guns come from Germany, Spain and China. The German ones are great. But the Spanish and Chinese guns are too iffy to say without testing and I haven’t tested the SS 1000.
I read Phil’s message about how hard the gun is to pump, and sure ive gotten stronger over the last year, but I’m still pretty weak, I overly enjoy the computer and my ps2 (I border on the edge of girlish weakness…) well i’ve nvr been strong and i think that having to pump up the gun by holding it to my chest might take away alot of the fun. I enjoy long range plinking, i.e. with a .22 firearm. and pumping the gun up so as to get its max distance would be annoying and my arm would get tired after a few shots. Squirrels arent scarce in my woods, its just that there’s no one in my family that enjoys eating them every few weeks, the birds have all migrated south, the rabbits ARE scarce, and that leaves my sisters and my cats. i know that i will be able to pump up the gun, and i still dont want the co2 392, my mom is trying to get an izh 61 or benjamin 392 for me for Christmas (she found a Benjamin 392 but she couldnt see the pump handle! i showed her the 392 on the web and it was the same one! but there are absolutely no stores selling the IZH near us… she’s gone to pawn shops specialty stores, gun shops/stores, fleet farm walmart, etc. etc.) I’ll have to save my money and buy the IZH off pyramydair later next year.
Can anyone help me out with names of stores (in Minnesota) that sell the IZH 61 and the Benjamin 392?
BB I am preparing to buy a Benjamin co2 AS392T and I will put the bug buster scope on it. I plan to use the Weaver B-square scope base for the Benjamin blue streak and accushot 2 piece 1 ” weaver rings. Do I need theB272 inter mount? Can I accurately hit crows out to 35 or 40 yards with this gun? Will it kill a raccoon and a grey fox if they are in very close range? I have a medical problem and am afraid of the pump models. I would rather have the Webley XOCET for the larger animals but am afraid I cannot pump the action. Can you place the muzzle of the springers on the ground and push down on the stock to break open and cock the gun? If the 392 will do the job it would be a lot easier for me. Thanks for your help.
I think you are confused. The Webley Exocet is a spring gun, not a pump gun. No, you should not put the muzzle on the ground and then cock the rifle with the stock.
The AS392T is a CO2 rifle that gets just over 600 f.p.s. with medium weight pellets. That’s enough for crows, but too light for raccoons and foxes unless the shot is perfect. I wouldn’t recommend it for that.
What you really need is a Talon SS. It has twice the power of the AS392T, weighs a pound less and is far more accurate. It will take foxes at 25 yards and crows at 50 with ease.
Are you perhaps living in the UK?
No living much further away. Alabama!! I don’t know anything about air rifles but have a need for one to shoot crows, foxes, raccoons as mentioned before. Would I be able to keep the Talon charged? Could i charge it from a portable air storage tank? air compressor, or dive shop tank? Most important how loud is it? I would defeat my purpose if it was louder than a 22LR. I was hoping one of the CO2 guns would work since that would be much easier for me to keep charged. But from your comments that wouldn’t work. If the Talon is accurate and I could buy a small air compresor or something like that It sounds like the one I need. Money is not an issue. But It cannot be too loud. Thank u for your help
I forgot to ask you what caliber Talon SS should I get and what scope would you recommend ?
Lonedog in Alabama
I looked up the Talon SS on the Pyramyd Ait site. That looks like the right gun for me. The air compressor is too much money. I don’t want to put that much into it. Tell me about the Logan pump. How difficult would it be to pump the full 3000 pSI into the Talon and how long would it take? If I got the Scuba Refill clamp would I just find a dive shop or would I need to buy my own tank? What would a dive shop charge to fill up the bottle. If I could get two bottles and take them to a dive shop periodically that would seem like the best option for me. What scope would you recommend and which mounts would I need? I like the 4X32 mini AO Bug Buster and the BSA Huntsman 3X12 X50. Since the Talon is light weight which would help me with my injured back and abdomen I wouldn’t want to add a lot of weight with the scope. I know this is a lot of questions but I am a complete novice when it comes to air guns. I have 35 scoped centerfire rifles but never fired an air rifle. Thank you very much for helping me with this decision.
Lonedog in Alabama
BB, this my last question I promise. What pellets should I get? for pests in the back yard with the Talon set on 400fps and for fox hunting with the talon set on Max. fps? Thats it, I will leave you alone.
You have many questions. Go here and read about both the Talon and the Condor.
The Talon SS is one of the quietest precharged air rifles available.
You leave it fully charged all the time. Mine has been charged for 6 years now.
It will group an inch at 50 yards on a relatively calm day. I have shot several halfr-inch groups, but they are always special.
It won’t go as low as 400 f.p.s. But at 650 f.p.s., it will do fine. It tops out at 850 f.p.s. in .22 with medium weight pellets. If you want more power than that, either change barrels to the 24-inch, or buy a Talon. Barrels and calibers change in 5-10 minutes.
You charge it to 3,000 psi from a dive cylinder. A compressor costs about $1,200.
It will take a while for me to answer all your questions. Yes to the Bug Buster. I’ve used it on my SS in the past and it’s fine. It needs two-piece rings.
Yes to the dive cylinder, no to the hand pump because of the effort it requires when you go above 2,500 psi. The dive cylinder weighs about 40 pounds when filled, so factor that in. A Carbon Fiber 88 cubic foor tank weighs only 20 pounds and will fill your gun many more times than the 80 cubic foot aluminum scuba tank.
Let’s make haste slowly, so you get what you want on the first go-round.
Thanks BB for taking the time to answer so many questions. I believe I will get the Talon SS and add a longer barrel later if necessary. Since loudness is a concern I will probably make do with the 12 inch bbl that comes on it. One thing I still don’t understand. Do you buy your own dive tank or do you just take the air bottle off the Talon to the dive shop and let them fill it. If you have to buy your own tank, what do they cost and where do you go to buy one?
BB, I have done some more research and see that I can buy an aluminum dive tank for around $200.00. That is not too much. Here are my last questions. Depending on your answer I will decide to buy the Talon SS or go back to a CO2 model. How many times can you fill the Talon bottle from the Dive tank assuming you are operating on a low power setting on the Talon? Approximately how much does it cost to fill a dive tank. You have been very helpful. Based on your answers I will know what to do. Thanks again.
The number of times you can fill the guns tank doesn’t change with the power setting, but the number of shots you get does.
I tell folks they’ll get about two full 3,000 psi fills, then the next will be 2975, then 2925, 2850 and so on. Where you stop is up to you, but I get about 18 fills of the gun’s tank from an 80 cubic foot dive tank. The last ones are around 2300 psi and since the gun stops shooting consistently around 2000 to 2100, you aren’t getting as many shots with those final fills.
A steel 120 cubic foot tank give a lot more fills, but it also costs more, plus you will need a valve adaptor to make it work.
BB, that does it, I am ordering a Talon SS in the morning and the aluminum dive tank. I can’t decide between the 4X32 bug Buster, the BSA huntsman 3X12X50 or the Leapers 3X9X32 32mm with the range estimating mil dot reticle and the AO. From my experience shooting 22LR’s, the AO is very important. I want need the light gathering 50mm objective of the BSA so I guess it’s between the bug buster and the 3X9 leapers. The 3X9 would be a good compromise and might help with sighting in. I need your recommendation for a pellet for larger animals like the grey fox and for smaller targets like crows. I will experiment with any you suggest. I am assuming this gun has a rail so I only need rims not bases.Thanks for helping me decide.
The AirForce guns have more 11mm rails than any airgun made! The entire top of the gun is one long rail, so yes, just get rings with 11mm clamps on their bases.
The 3-9 will reach out farther with precision. There is also a 6power Bug Buster 2, so look at that, as well.
The caliber is .22 and the pellets of Choice are JSB Exact Jumbo 15.9-grain (domed), Beeman Kodiak, Logun Penetrator 20.5-grain (not the 16-grain), and Crosman Premier in the cardboard box.
The heavy pellets like the Kodiak and Logun won’t be as accurate at low power, and the JSB is the all-around champion in these rifles.
BB, thats everything I needed to know. I had a thought. I have several center fire scopes lying around that I don’t have a home for; 3 X 9’s and one 4 x 16 weaver with an AO that focuses down to less than 10 yards. Since the Talon SS dosen’t have much recoil couldn’t I use one of these scopes. Also I have been reading that you should use B-Square AA adjustable ultra high rings with the big objective, high power scopes like the 4 X 16. Is that correct? They look really good on the Talon with a big scope. If I had gone to the local sporting goods store with my lack of knowledge there is no telling what I might have bought. You have been great helping me get what I need. Thanks!
Sure you can use your scopes! The Talon and Talon SS has no recoil and the Ao is correct.
You need the high mounts to raise the scope up to your eye, not for scope clearance. AirForce sells a trirail that adds 5/8″ of height to the scope rail.
The B-Square adjustable mounts are really necessary, but I like to keep all the scope’s adjustments ready for sight-in, so I use them. They are more trouble to install, but they do lock up tight.
The higher powered scopes just give you more sighting precision at longer range. I like to shoot at 50 yards and see where every pellet goes, so I used the AirForce 4-16 scope on my rifle.
Thanks BB, you have been very helpful. I know what to order now. Have you heard of a custom Talon SS that is supposed to be coming out that is super quiet?
No, I haven’t heard of that, but there are a lot of people interested in the gun so it doesn’t surprise me.
BB, I ordered the Talon SS today with a Leapers 4 X 16 X 50 illuminated reticle scope plus all the accessories. It’s a lot of money but I think when I start shooting the Talon SS I will be glad I bought it. Thanks for your valuable advice.
Merry Christmas BB! 😉
I GOT A BENJAMIN 392 FOR A GIFT!!! I can’t wait to shoot it, but i don’t have any pellets yet, so i pumped the gun once (yep, it’s a little hard to pump, and i cant use my left hand, severed the tendon couple months ago), and set it in the corner of my room. I love the wood and i think it looks great! but the hand pump has two holes drilled into it with splinters stickin out, are these for screws to hold the handle on the gun?
I’ll be gettin premiers for my rifle, cant find the jsb pellets, so what would be the next best in your own opinion? Which ones should i try out? Crosman premier .22 domed? hollow point?
Congratulations! Your long quest is over.
The two holes are for the roll pins that hold the forearm wood to the pump lever.
At Wal Mart you should be able to find Benjamin Sheridan diabolo pellets. They are the same as Crosman Premiers and will work well in your gun.
i’ll get the premiers or the diabolos.
If i dry fire the rifle (if i forget to load a pellet for some reason), how badly will i damage the gun?
The cocking bolt seems like it would loosen up and fall open once it has worn down. will it?
I’ll get pellgun oil somehow (i might order it if i have to).
What should i do if i get a jammed pellet? should i send it in to the company for repair? or is there a kit i can get? would i be able to shoot it out? could i use some household object to push it out?
is there anything i’m missing that should be important?
I like to prepare for the worst.
You sure do like to prepare for the worst.
Instead, why not enjoy the best? Just shoot the gun and don’t let any of that bad stuff happen.
I can see why you don’t sleep.
Forget stuck pellets – you won’t have any if you put at least 3 pumps in the gun.
Thanks i’ll just enjoy the gun and face the bad times when they come.
Hey B.B. I own a 397 and I am pleased with everything about it. I use RWS and Beeman pellets all the time but I wanted to know if occasionaly using the lead free Skenco pellets do any harm to the barrel of the gun. I would only really use the 8.5g ones for hunting once in awhile because of their increased veloicity and penetration. Any information would be appreciated. Thanx. Hope everyone here had a great holiday.
Synthetic pellets do leave a residue in the bore, but it might not be too bad in a brass barrel like the 397’s.
i had my mom pick up Daisy Precision Max Flatnose Pellets at a local store, these are the only .22 pellets sold in my town. I’ve been out shooting the Benjamin for the past two hours and my arms are getting sore! I’m surprised at how accurate this gun is for me! the last bb gun i had (crosman 760, i think) got about 5 inch groups at 20 feet (with a scope), while the benjamin got four pellets in the same hole at about 25 feet(with open sights, luck, mostly)!! I can’t wait to get the premiers to see if they do better than the daisys (what do u think of the daisys?). the pellets left a lot of residue on my fingers, is that lead dust or the preservatives or both? had to use dawn dish soap to get it all off.
How should i sight this gun in? what distance should i sight it in at? i think around 40 to 50 feet is where i will be shooting the most with open sights (probably at pop cans then moving on to squirrels later).
over the next few weeks i will be shooting the gun to get better at it. In the future i will probably get the Crosman 64 peep sight and maybe the Crosman B272 4-piece Intermount and a scope.
This is an awesome gun B.B. thanks for helping me out with it!
What is the best way to hold this rifle? What’s the best technique?
No technique is required for a pneumatic. Just be sure to hold on target afer the shot goes off. That’s called follow-through, and it’s important with all guns.
Thanks, i just set out pop cans about 25 yards or so and can hit them about 2 out of 3 times. i tried to go farther but i live in valleys, and the wind starts to pick up the farther i go which made my pellets curve off target and i decided to rest and eat something for a little bit.
P.S. No airgun is better (in this price range at least)!!!! i can’t even shoot this well with my .22 firearm!!!
srry about all these messages, i know u have a lot to do, but when i pump the benjamin, i should hold the gun behind the rear sight, right?
well i found out that its a lot easier to get the last two or three pumps if i set the stock on the ground, brace the barrel with my hand, and push the pump handle down with my other hand. the closer i put my hand bracing the barrel to the front sight, the easier it is to pump. I know that breakbarrels do not bend when u ‘break’ them, but what would a multipump do? could this wreck or bend or cave in the barrel after time? I used to do this with my pumpmaster 760 when i was young and nothing happened to it that i know of.
Your gun is made of brass, net steel like a breakbarrel.
What you are doing is using a two-point brace. One at the butt and the other behind the fulcrum. It doesn’t sound bad, but I’ve never heard of it before.
Remember, not all shots require 8 pumps.
I’ve got another problem though, i got my gun sighted in and i went out to find some squirrels that were chattering in the woods behind my house. i forgot that i had stored a pump of air in the rifle and pumped it seven more times, then i pulled the pump handle open and realized that it would be the ninth pump.
so ive got eight pumps worth of air in the gun and the pump handle is open.
what should i do?
Just shoot the gun with a pellet. Then cock and shoot it again (no pellet) and listen to hear if any gas escapes. Keep the rifle pointed in a safe direction all the time you do this.
If no noise, you got away with it. If it makes a pop, don’t overpump it again.
Shoot the gun with a pellet. Thjen cock it and shoot again without pumping or loading another pellet. If it pops, you just released the extra air. If it doesn’t, you got away with it.
well that somewhat scary.
thanks a whole lot bb, there was no pop (thats good right?).
those squirrels got to me, i wasnt exactly thinking straight. I had my mind wrapped aroung taking my first squirrel with the gun.
P.S. This is why i prepare for the worst.
It’s freezing here in minnesota today and its snowing, there’s barely any snow on the ground for this time of year so theres not many ‘winter activities’ available, and i’m miles away from my friends and any recreational areas.
how safe would the benjamin be if i shot it in my basement at three pumps (i can improvise a pellet trap and backstop)? no one else well be down there and i have safety glasses.
I was out this morning scouting the edge of the woods behind my house and there seemed to be a lack of squirrel chatter, and i hear no birds whatsoever. plinking would leave me too stationary outside and i’d likely freeze.
I have a new powerful pellet gun and nowhere to safely or easily shoot it!
Do you have these problems? if so, what do u do?
As I recall, you have parents. It’s not my place to say whether you can shoot in the house or not.
Three pumps would be about right if you have a safe bullet trap and backstop.
When I pump the benjamin sometimes it makes a creaking sound (like the pump head is scraping along the sides of the pump). Is this from the cold? should i worry about it?
As long as you lubricated the pum head with Pellgunoil, you can ignore any sounds. Shooting outdoors in Minnesota in the winter is a cold proposition. I can’t say that I have much experience doing that, but a few odd sounds would not surprise me.
Hi i have a benjamin franklin 392 pa , by mistake my son put some 3 in one oil in the hole says you cant put oil. now there is no pressure in the pump, i tried to unistall it but i dont have a owners manual , if somebody has one please let me now my e mail is email@example.com thanks
First off, this is a suggestion, i would wait for bb’s advice, Ive only had my benjamin for a few weeks 😉
ok, bb has suggested (to people with problems with their pump) two people who fix benjamin/sheridan rifles, they are George Pena and Rick Willnecker
This is what bb has to say about them.
George is a Texan who fixes American pneumatics. His business card says “Benjamin, Sheridan and old Crosman model 140/1400 pneumatic air rifle repair.” He puts them back to factory specs. I’ve shot a vintage Sheridan he resealed, and he did a great job. Not only does the gun shoot like new, he didn’t mess up the vintage finish on a significant collectible while he did the work! George is at firstname.lastname@example.org or 512-863-2951.
Rick is in Pennsylvania, where he repairs vintage and modern Crosman, Benjamin and Sheridan guns. Rick is another guy who has been doing this for several decades, and he’s very methodical in his work. He will restore airguns to operational specs, but he won’t increase power in guns beyond the factory levels. Contact him at email@example.com or call 717-382-1481.”
You could call them to see if they can fix your problem, or if your benjamin is new you could probably send it back to crosman for repairs, to find where to send the benjamin for repair you should call crosman at 800-724-7486. I found the crosman phone number in the benjamin manual i got, you may want to look over that to see if it helps you in any way.
Remember, I’m just a kid offering advice, B.B. is the first person i would ask advice from.
Emailing the two people i mentioned probably wouldn’t hurt. It’s probably a good idea if you can’t call out of state.
Wishing you luck,
Happy New Year
you can check the manual for the benjamin if you go to https://www.pyramydair.com/ scroll to the bottom of the screen, and look under customer support(its in the beige colored rectangle). You will see ‘Manuals’among other things.
Alternatively you can skip that and go right to it by typin in this site /manual/benjamin-sheridan
Insomniac gave you a great answer. The solution is to remove the pump rod and clean the oil from the pump head and the inside of the pump tube.
how accurate are the cb9 20 cal rifled barrels and will they still maintain the ware from many tins of firing ?I still shoot a sheridan c-series I ave had since 1979 though its due for a reseal job for the first time! Its probably held up better over the years than I have.Thanx any response would be great Rowdy
You won’t live long enough to wear out the barrel of a Sheridan. Even though it is brass, it will take hundr4ds of thousands of rounds, as long as they are lead pellets and not anything that would damage a brass bore.
My oldest Sheridan was made in the early 1950s and it’s still shooting fine. I had a Crosman 111 pistol with a brass barrel from aound 1950-54 and it was a tackdriver.
Will a Red Dot sight be accurate on the Benjamin? I’ve only looked through one of these and the Red dot seemed to move in relation to the target. My aging eyes can’t abide the iron sights anymore. I really like my Benjamin 397, but I need better sights. I’m going to get a pistol scope or a Red Dot scope.
Any advice on Red Dot accuracy?
Dot sights are just as accurate as scopes. And, yes, you CAN see the dot move. That’s parallax. You must cancel it by always putting your shooting eye in the same place – the same as with open sights.
Hey B.B. I hope you are not tired of talking about airguns. Anyways I have the Benjamin 397 and was wondering what you think is a nice distance to zero in the open sights to for a well rounded point of impact for shooting mostly done between the 10-20yards mark. Any help is always greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Ten to 20 yards is a toughie, because of the parallax between the sights and bore. However, if that’s what you shoot, I would zero at 15 yards and then shoot groups at both 10 and 20 yards to see how far off they are. Longer shots will hit lower.
One final question about the benjamin sheridan B.B. I promise. I have the 397 and plan on getting a 392 in the near future. I was just curious with well placed shots of course, what type of hunting capabilites could the 397 handle within the 10-20yard range. I apologize I know this is a common question amongst airguns. Thanks B.B. for answering all my questions. Take care.
A 397 with good pellets will take a squirrel or rabbit at that range. I think it’s too light for a woodchuck or raccoon, but a perfect shot would work.
Thanks for all your info B.B. I think this website and forum is honestly the best place on the net to discuss airguns. Seems to have the most direct and best info. Thanks again.
B.B.: I just became interested in air guns this past week. I did have a few “BB guns” as a kid but was not all that interested other than making a serious dent in the cottonmouth population in my small hometown. Yesterday, one of my coworkers brought in a older 22 caliber Benjamin that he wanted me to research on the internet. It would not pump up and he was looking for parts and/or service for the gun. As I began my research, I ran across this website and this particular thread. My curiosity was piqued and I began to investigate all types of airguns. It has been an intense 24 hours of education to this point. I intend to purchase a new Benjamin Sheridan Model 392 for my upcoming birthday and to equip it with the Bug Buster 2 scope and mounts. I’ll also get a good case and quality ammunition for it. My question relates to the article I read on penetration between domed pellets, round balls, and pointed pellets. I do want to try out some of the round balls, but Beeman doesn’t make them in 22 caliber. I found one maker (H & N) on this site who does make a 22 caliber round ball, but it is finished with a black graphite coating. I was wondering if this particular round ball is made of lead, and if so, will the coating harm the rifling of the soft brass barrel on the 392? Thanks for any insight you can provide. BBJ
Actually, Beeman has their lead balls made by H&N, so they are the same as what you see here.
They are pure lead and will not harm your barrel.
I just got a Benjamin 397 primarily for pest control. Any suggestions as to scope mounts and scope? Shooting mostly from 20-30 yds with occasional shot out to 35-40 yds. Thinking 5-6 pumps should be about right? How sensitive are those crossman B272 4 pc pre-mounts to movement? Looks like I have to use those with whatever mount and scope I go with. Thanks!!!
I don’t recommend scoping a 372 or 392. They aren’t made well for it.
You can hit a quarter at 25 yards with the open sights, which should be plenty.
I am having a hard time picking up the iron sight against the hardwoods. Would the Crossman 64 Peep Sight be my best bet or is there something else that would work?
Any suggestions if I was to pick up another air rifle for the purpose I am looking for? Would 22 cal be better bet. I am going to keep the 397 but if there is a reasonable $200 price range single cock with scope or fiber optic sight that would get the job done I would appreciate the advice?
Well, the Silver Streak would have brighter sights. In .20 caliber, it’s about the same as a .22.
By single cock I assume you mean a spring gun. The BAM B30 in .22 sounds like just what you want. So far all the BAM rifles I’ve tested have been accurate, so this one, which is a copy of the RWS Diana 48, seems like an ideal choice.
BB is correct that you don’t need a scope for the 397, it’s easier to pump without a scope getting in the way. I’ve a 392 and with the stock sights have been able to easily eradicate a bottle-cap infestation in my back yard(25 yard shot). That being said, I’m a scope fan and have found the intermount setup to be sturdy enough. Because the intermounts place the scope forward, my suggestion would be long scope for this gun or one with plenty of eye relief, perhaps a pistol scope.
Here’s something, the barrel of my 392 had black paint in the end that I removed with q-tips and nail polish remover … ok I’ve got plenty of time on my hands. But get this, since then I’ve had pin-point accuracy with no fly-aways …could just be my imagination.
IB and BB,
Thanks for the advice. Removed some of that black paint in the end of the barrel and adjusted the elevation on rear sight. Just shot a 3/4 in group at 25 yds inside the paint… i’m good to go now. I went ahead and ordered that Williams Peep Sight yesterday so that should help as well.
BB, I will pass on the Bam 30 advice…let’s try not to contribute to the China trade deficit when we can help it.
I’m really intrested in picking up a 397, I am also very atatched to a leapers bugbuster 2 that I have mounted on an old daisy powerline.
Will the bugbuster mount far enough back on the 397 to shoot comfortably? The picture they have on pyramid shows the scope positioned half way down the barrel which seems like it might be problematic with a short scope like this one. Also I’ve read several reviews here and elsewhere
about the b272 mounts not fitting as well on the 397. Have you exprienced this?
Thanks for reading my post, great blog!
I’m with you. I like both the 397 and the Bug Buster 2 – just not together. I don’t advocate mounting a scope on any multi-pump pneumatic unless it is a 392 LE. Even then the scope gets in the way of pumping.
B-Square makes a scope mount base that positions the scope over the receiver, but I’m not certain it works with the 397. If so, it’s your best bet.
Do you use the B-Square mount in conjunction with the b272?
Well, first I had to find what a B272 was. It’s a Crosman Intermount!
Now, you ask if B-Square scope rings will clamp onto a 3/8″ dovetail. They don’t seem to be made for that, do they? I guess the answer is no.
B-Square rings are made for adult air rifles while the Crosman Intermount is more of a stopgap measure to put a scope on a gun that doesn’t have a good base for it. I would use only the scopes and mounts Crosman recommends for use with the Intermount.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the 397 as is, but are there any rumors of Crosman producing budget line of the 392/397? Using a cheaper rifled steel barrel and synthetic stock (like the Phantom, not their other pump guns) would make a superb gun in the $80-100 range, and might even hold up a little better to scratches and abuse.
I have not heard that Crosman has any such gun in the works, but you might look at the Daisy 22SG. It is exacttly what you describe.
I recieved the 397 and bsquared mount in the mail this week and I am forced to agree with you. The benjamin does not apear to be well suited for a scope. The mount does fit the 397 and it does bring the scope to a comfortable distance from the eye, but it puts the mounting rail right over the bolt which makes loading very timeconsuming. Also the threads in the mount mounting holes didn’t hold up.
I really had my heart set on putting that bug buster on it and pumping it with the scope wasn’t too bad so I’m gonna try the crossman intermount before giving up on it entirely.
The gun its self is great and it is very acurate without optics. Even if I cant find a good way to mount the scope I’ll definately hang on to the gun.
i would like to buy benjamin sheridan 397, but when I checked the loudness it was 4 medium high. Man !, it sure is enough to make the whole neighbors complain about it. Some review that I read said it wasn’t that loud comparing with gamo shadow 1000. Is it true ?
A Benjamin 397 isn’t THAT loud, but it is certainly MUCH louder than the Gamo Shadow 1000.
I have recently purchased a Benjamin Sheridan 392 and like Chris above am doing most of my shooting in the 15 to 20 yard range. However, I am having difficulty getting it sighted it. At 15 yards, the groupings are tight, but always about 2″ high. This is even with the elevation screw adjusted all the way out until it isn’t in contact with the metal below. I am unable to adjust the rear sight any lower and yet am still shooting high.
Any thoughts or tips would be appreciated.
This isn’t common, however, you are shooting very close. I’ve never sighted one of these in at less than 20 yards. But I’m guessing that even that won’t solve your problem.
Are you using a peep sight by any chance? If so, the peep needs a higher front sight to compensate.
I am currently working only with the open sights. I did purchase and install the peep sight, but removed it to work with the open sights first. A couple more beginner questions:
What is a more typical distance that people sight these guns it at? Is 15 yards too close for this gun? Is there any way to adjust the rear sight lower if the screw on the rear sight is all the way out?
As far as the peep sight, when installed and properly sighted what should I see? Should I only see the front post or will I see both the front post and rear sight through the hole? The hole in the peep sight seemed very crowded with both the front post and rear blade and target in the hole. Maybe I’m just not used to it.
Thanks again for your help.
I don’t know that there is a typical sight-in distance for open sights, but here is what I do. I sight in for 20 yards, then learn how much to hold under when the target is closer. I can pick off a hovering carpenter bee at 10 feet this way when I am dialed in.
As for the peep seeing the rear sight, can you remove the rear sight? As I recall, you have to lever it out of the solder joint, and it may be hard to put back. At least that’s what I have heard.
I was wondering if all Benjamin Sheridan rifles are made in USA?
All but the spring piston rifles.
I just purchased and installed a peep sight on my 397. Does anyone have any details on just how to best remove the factory rear sight? I don’t want to scratch up the black-on-brass finish. Either a detailed description or a link to a website with a detailed description would be greatly appreciated.
Mind if I ask which peep sight you bought. I just got a 392 Limited Edition
and I’m considering either a peep or red dot. I think the rifle would be easier to pump if I could put my left hand about where the front of the scope is now.
Since I posted, I have figured out how the rear sights attached, removed them, and got the peep sight working perfectly! (If anyone else needs to know how to remove the factory rear blade sight, I can email a detailed description with pictures). I use the Crosman 64 Williams Peep sight. It’s made specifically for the 392/397. It keeps a low profile on the gun, and keeps that area free right over the breech where you naturally want to put your hand to pump. Just make sure the LE model has the flat area on the right side of the action with two screw holes to accommodate a peep sight. Because if I’m not mistaken, the LE is only meant to take a scope.
Do you know in what major ways the Benjamin and Sheridan differed prior to the merger/buyout?
Also, other than caliber and stock shape, are there any differences now?
You know, this is too good a topic not to do a posting. It will help others understand what is happening in many sectors of their lives. It goes way beyond airguns.
Hi B.B. Just thought that I would let you know one of the things that is possible with the 392. With a bit of tweaking and some valve adjustmentSkyler MCconahy has developed a 392 that can put out between 25 and 30 FPE. Nearly 900 fps. You can find him at- http://home.joimail.com/~sifu_mcconahy/index.html. Take a look.
How do I get your detailed instructions for removing the rear sight from my 397?
Benjamin 392/397 Factory Rear Blade Sight Removal:
All picture numbers are referenced to my Picasa photo album here: picasaweb.google.com/bsmoooth/Benjamin397
You should be beginning with a factory rear sight that looks like picture #1. Notice there is a grooved piece of metal into which the sight clips into, with 2 clips on either side of the gun. Start by taking a medium sized flat screwdriver and place the edge in this groove, against the front clip as shown in pictures #2 and #3. GENLTLY tap the end of the screwdriver with a hammer forward (towards the front sight) about 5 times. Repeat this for the front clip on the other side of the aigun, and alternate sides about ever 5 taps until the rear sight slides forward and the two front sight clips are no longer in the grooves. Then switch to tapping the rear two clips in a similar fashion, so it looks like pictures #4, #5, and #6. Eventually, the entire sight will either completely slide out of the groves by tapping, or you can simply pull the little bit that remains free. Once the sight is removed, you are left with the pieces of metal with groves in them (one on each side). They are shown in pictures #7 and #8. At first, I thought these pieces were soldered to the barrel/pump cylinder and would have to remain. However, they are simply coated in lubricant, and suction fit themselves in the space between the barrel and pump cylinder. They should pry out with your fingers, one end at a time as you break the suction seal holding them in place. You gun should now look like picture #9, and you should have 3 pieces of rear sight assembly (the sight blade, and 2 triangular grooved pieces) loose on the table, like in picture #10.
I should note that for the purpose of this post, I did attempt to also reattach the sight, but I quickly gave up because it seems far more difficult than removing it. Also, if you happen to scratch the black finish and brass shows though, a black sharpie marker hides it well (let’s just say that my first attempt at removal involved more prying and hitting)…
Recently I sighted in my benjamin for 15 yards. my groups widened, and my shots went all over the place, then I checked my gun and found that when I pumped it, the screw adjusting the elevation was loosening. so i kept shooting lower and lower after every shot. I’m always adjusting the sights for different distances, and I don’t want to lock/glue the screw in place. any ideas?
I just ran out of pellets today, too. I’m gonna buy more, and i’ll be giving up on buying the peep sight for a while, too (I’ll get around to it).
I’m just curious, but would a firearm scope (for a .22 rifle) be compatible with the b272 intermount? would it even work with airguns?
which is more accurate at longer ranges the .22 crosman hollow point premier, or the .22 crosman premier domed? (I feel like I asked you this before).
Your sight is aluminum and the screws are steel, so there is going to be wear every time you adjust the screws. If you keep turning them, they will eventually wear out.
Better to select one good range (20 yards) at which the gun shoots flat for a distance (20-27 yards on 8 pumps) and use holdover at the other ranges.
A .22 scope will work on your airgun, but .22 scopes are notoriously cheap. I would look for a good inexpensive airgun scope rather than use a .22 scope. Pyramyd Air has a bunch of used scopes. Maybe you can find a bargain there?
Hi, B.B. First, I’d like to thank you and the others for the great info and help – ordered a 392 from Pyramyd. It seemed to be just the right combination of price, accuracy and power for my needs; mostly target shooting for fun, not competition, but we’ve got a pretty pesky raccoon problem here, and it sounds like the 392 will do the trick when needed. Just got it (fast, great service) and took it out tonight – very happy!
A question, please. For my needs, I’m probably going to stay with open sights (unless I can’t get this question solved!). Though my very first, out of the box, groups were as tight as you said they’d be (shot at 10M), they were just a bit high and right. Elevation adjustment no problem, now dead-on level with the 10 ring. However, can you advise on windage adjustment? My manual states that elevation is adjustable in the print, and doesn’t say anything about windage, yet the diagram points to the 2 screws at the front of the rear sight and labels them ‘windage.’ I gingerly (just got it today!!) tried adjusting, but no response. Given your expertise, I figured I’d ask before I potentially break something on my brand new airgun!
Look forward to many hours of fun with my new 392. Thanks for the help pre-purchase and with the sight question!
Those screws operate on a push-pull basis. Loosen one and tighten the other and the rear sight moves.
Thanks. That’s what I’d thought, but since the manual didn’t specify, I thought I’d check with experience. Made the adjustments and I’m right in the bullseye.
Another question – out in the field, how long can one keep the 392 pumped up? To 8 pumps, that is; I’m following your advice to keep 1 or 2 during storage between sessions. Will it lose power (pressure) over a few hours?
A 392/397 should be okay pumped up all the way for a day. Try it!
I used to have a Sheridan Blue Streak when I was young…many, many moons ago 😉
I just bought and received a Benjamin 392 after reading this blog. This rifle definitely brings me back. There are a few differences…My old Sheridan had a fine walnut stock, and the safety was located…I believe…on the right-top side of the receiver. The trigger guard was thinner and blued. The finish on my C9 was matte black as opposed to the shiny finish on the 392. I remember jimping on the front sight as well…maybe I’m wrong, it was, afterall, a long time ago.
I removed the factory rear sight and added a Williams peep sight, took the rifle outside and proceeded to punch bulls-eyes.
My C9 was the rifle I cut my teeth on before shooting with a team and earning my expert rating with cartridge rifles…that’s right, I started with a Sheridan .20 caliber pellet gun and jumped straight into competitive shooting.
Says something about these rifles doesn’t it?
Anyways, I do have a question…The bolt on my new 392 rotates freely instead of “locking” down. I can’t remember if the bolt on my C9 “locked” down into place after loading it or not.
Anyways, is this normal? The bolt doesnt slide back exposing the breech, but it would if I pulled on it.
thanks for your input.
No, your Sheridan bolt probably moved, too. The bolt doesn’t lock solidly like a firearm bolt does. It’s sealed by an O-ring. When the high-pressure air hits the bolt, it tries to thrust it backwards, but the O-ring slides up out of its seat and seals the air, stopping the movement.
Sometimes the bolts are so stiff that they don’t move as readily. But that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t if they weren’t binding in some way.
Even some very expensive precharged rifles have bolts that move when they are fired.
Thank you for your quick response. It has been a pleasure doing business with you. You have a reapeat customer for sure.
Can you recommend a break-action .22 cal pellet gun for target/plinking and pest control that will readily accept a Williams peep sight if it does not already have a quality peep sight on it?
Something that will compliment the Benjamin 392.
A Beeman R1 or HW 80 works well with a peep sight. If the sight doesn’t absolutely have to be a Willaims you might want to look at the sight in today’s post about the Mendoza RM 2000. It should soon be available as a peep sight.
I’ve been thinking about getting a peep sight for my 392, and then I realized, why not make one? or at least try.
I was thinking of using a durable, yet pliable plastic of some sort. For at least the actual peep hole part. I have the resources available and I have a limited understanding of how I could accomplish this feat.
I think I’ll use screws and include adjustable sights. what else would I do? I think I’ll use the screws already included on the 392 to hold the peep sight on.
I have this fairly well planned out in my own opinion, but this is just a prototype. I realize that this plastic peep sight probably won’t be a very good alternative to a real metallic sight, but I’m interested in how this will turn out. And if I can actually pull it off.
What do you think would be a good diameter for the peep hole? how tall should this sight be? Or more specifically, how high should the peep hole be from the (top?) of the gun?
I’m curious as to how this will turn out.
Many inexpensive peep sights ate mostly plastic, so charge on!
I wouldn’t dream of ruining your fun by suggesting anything to you, except to say look at the sights on your rifle right now. They hold all the answers you need.
As for the hole size, a wise man once said you can make many small cuts, but nothing can put material back.
The sights are set at about 20 yards right now, so the peep hole should line up with the rear and front sights in order to be accurate at 20 yards!!
It’s a little more difficult then I thought it would be but I’m on to it!!
I think that I might have to remove the rear sight in order to get a clear peep hole, but then again maybe not.
Whenever I make a circular hole for the peep sight and I look through it the hole seems to distort, like the light is stretching to the upper right and lower left. Is this supposed to happen? I never get a clear circular sight through it. is this normal? Should I have a flat piece of plastic with a hole in it? or a long tube with a hole in it?
It could be my failing eyesight, too. I’m losing sight in my right eye!! Stuff is getting blurry. So I’ll have to get glasses just like everyone else in my family.
All these questions!!! So much trial and error!!! But the rewards will be good indeed!
What about putting a piece of plastic over the top of the rear sight, using it as the peep sight then? but it would be square peep hole. Is circular better than square? or is circular more easily drilled, and that is why factories do that? what about a diamond shape!? Aaaagh!!! So many ideas!!!!!!!! I can see the advantage of a diamond shape!!! maybe… maybe maybe maybe…
The hole distorts for everyone. It’s normal.
A round hole forces the eye to concentrate on the center because that’s where the light is greatest.
You should get some books about sights and read what has been done over the past 200 years. I would give you some general references, but they are about firearms in general and you probably want books on sights, alone.
i just recieved an older blue streak from my grandfather. i have some background in airguns but just had a few questions. first 8 or 10 pumps max? he had never pushed it past 6 and does not have the manuals.
also he gave me sheridan cylindrical pellets, but i was thinking about getting diablos for better accuracy, any comment on this idea?
finally he had a cheap 4 power scope mounted, but i was thinking of upgrading to a bug buster or similar, higher powered, scope. my home range is about 30 yards, so i wanted to see downrange, however if you think a peep sight would be better i’d follow your advise.
thanks for the help bb, i really apreciate your knowledge and understanding.
8 pumps is max.
I do not recommend scoping this rifle! Too many problems. A peep can be difficult to install on an older Blue Streak, but it’s the best sight.
Try the Beeman .20 caliber Field Target Special pellet.
how about for hunting, is the Field Target Special still good?
Yes, it’sd a good domed pellet, which is fine for hunting.
Just got my 392 from pyramid in the mail yesterday and I cant even begin to tell you how happy I am with it. I’m getting sub 1 inch groups in the center of the bull’s eye at 20 yards at 8 pumps with a peep sight using gamo hunters. It says in the owner’s manuel that you should use crosman Pellgunoil. I currently have a tube of webly scott weblube. Will that work too or should I get some pellgunoil? Also what sort of velocity do you think I’m getting at 8 pumps with the 15.4 grain gamo hunters? Thanks a lot.
is their any way to tell the year my blue streak was made?
also are there any replacement iron sights that i can buy? my rear sight is missing and i think it would be good just to have in case.
You are getting about 600 f.p.s. with those pellets.
Use Pellgunoil only in your rifle.
The Blue Book provides general; guidelines as to when certain Blue Streaks were made. And Ron Elbe’s book gets more specific. Pyramyd sells the Blue Book and Amazon has Elbe’s.
The only replacement sight will be a peep, or a used rear sight.
Thats a pain. Is it really critical? Whats the difference between pellgunoil and weblube? I would think that they’d be approximately the same given that they are both intended for air rifles. Would using weblube cause any damage or would it just not work as well? They’re aren’t really any air rifle stores near me and I’m really not that psyched about having to pay shipping and handling on a small tube of air rifle oil. Thanks.
At the top of every pump, i.e. when the pump arm is fully open, I hear a hiss of air. I assume this is normal since the gun is only a day old and seems to function fine but I just wanted to make sure. Is it supposed to make this hissing noise at the top of each stroke? Thanks for you help.
As far as pest (squirrel) control goes, and assuming an identical-to-comparable level of shooter accuracy between guns, what is a better bet: a higher FPS .177, or a lower FPS .22 ?
I just purchased a 392. I was looking at the RWS 48 and 350, but already owning three Gamos, I didn’t want to spend another $500-600 when all was said and done (scope, mounts, etc.)
My current gun of choice is the CF-X (.177) with Kodiak EH’s (10.6gr).
After running the numbers, a 10.6 grain Kodiak in .177 at 1000 FPS has a higher FPE than a 15.8 grain JSB Diabolo in .22 at 685 FPS.
Again, assuming an equal level of accuracy and shot placement, what is more effective — the higher FPE of the .177, or the larger smack/wound channel of the lower FPE .22?
Thanks for your time,
Webley was unable to provide the spec for Weblube when we asked, therefore I cannot recommend it. I know what Pellgunoil is.
General question: Looking to buy either the 392 or the 397, probably only to be used for target practice. Would either one generally be more accurate? (I’m thinking maybe the 397 due to smaller pellet). If there is no significant difference in accuracy is there anything else I should consider (target “knockdown power”, etc) when making this choice? I pulled my old, old Crosman model 1 out of the attic and got re-addicted to pellet guns before it lost compression (in the “rear seal”, not the “pump arm seal”. Thanks for helping someone who (obviously!)knows almost nothing about guns, except how much fun they can be.
That’s the air getting sucked in. When you close the pump arm, that compresses it.
The .22 is preferred for the reasons you cite. You can’t kill a squirrel deader than dead.
I would pick the 397.
.177 pellets are much cheaper. Accuracy will be about the same. But, if you’re not planning to hunt, the 397 is your best bet.
Woodchucks have been causing all kinds of havoc for my family by digging holes in our horse’s field and eating our vegetable garden. I saw one of the little hellraisers out the window this morning and immediately grabbed my new 392, pumped it seven times and loaded it with a gamo hunter. It saw me coming out the door and scampered back to its hole so I got into prone position about ten yards away. When he stuck his head up I put the peep between his beedy little rodent eyes and pulled the trigger. Thwap! The pellet impacted exactly where I was aiming for an instant kill. I can’t say enough about this rifle. Penetrating a notoriously thick chuck skull is no mean feat. This exceptional air arm should be added to the list of rifles capable of taking down medium sized game.
my old 392 has developed an increasingly loud squeak in the pumping arm(between the metal pieces), can i use pellgunoil on it or just some regular wd40?
For metal-to-metal contact, regular lubricating oil is best. Pellgunoil may work, but I would use it only in a pinch.
The 392 looks like it might be my next rifle for pest removal. However, I am a little concerned about the noise level.
I’ve got neighbors about 40 yards on either side of me, and they don’t seem to mind the sound of my Quest 1000. How loud is the 392?
Also, will you be reviewing the Gamo Whisper springer when it arrives in August? I am extremely interested in it for it’s noise dampener.
The 392 is a little louder than the Quest 1000. On 8 pumps, it sounds like a loud hand clap. Being a .22, you don’t have to pump it 8 times for pest control.
I will be testing the Whisper, but I already know it’ll work because the TX200 Mk III has had the same arrangement for the past 8 years.
When you pump the 392, are you supposed to return the forearm to the initial “all the way up” position with every pump?
I just received this gun, and when I fire (dry fire), I hear a wimpy little sputter versus a pop. I’ve also pinched my hand several times just closing the forearm.
Surely I’m doing something — or multiple things — wrong. Help! How do I grip and pump this thing properly?
Yes, the forearm goes all the way up with every pump stroke. Hold the gun with the right hand as close the the pump arm joint as possible. Hold it on top of the barrel at that point. When you close the pump handle, make your pumping hand flat to keep fingers out of the way.
Thanks for the confirmation. I know the 392 has a lot of loyal fans, but unfortunately, I wasn’t pleased with it.
The rep. I spoke with at Crosman told me that pumping takes 25 lbs. per stroke. While I had no way of measuring this, pumps 4-8 seemed a lot heavier than 25 lbs. I was way more sore in the hand after 80 pumps of the 392 than I am after 80 cocks of a CF-X (~38 lbs.?)
As such, I packed it up, and back to PyramidAir it went. In its place, I ordered a Diana 48 in .22. I trust I’ll be far happier with this decision!
I have tried quite a few prototype peep sights and I wasn’t getting very good results with them (loose, wobbly, etc.).
I ran out of pellets again and it might be a while before I get more.
I realize now that the rear sight on the 392 keeps from moving due to spring like tension near the sight-adjusting screws. The tension loosens as the elevation is lowered. I was thinking that if I wanted to lower the elevation, wouldn’t I just have to apply a similar pressure on the sight?, seeing as it has that same pressure otherwise. Right? (I would use tape for example)
Anyway, if this theory is correct, then using plastic or metal with a hole drilled in it as a peep sight, and attaching it to the sight itself, should work…
Is there a reason the peep sight is attached closer to the eye then the rear sight? Does having the peep sight closer to the eye improve the peep sight in any way? It seems to me that the peep sight hole would just be bigger and blurrier.
A peep is placed close to the eye for greater precision. Yes, it is blurry, but you don’t align it in the traditional sense. Your eye automatically centers itself because of the amount of light coming through the hole.
Gotcha. I guess I’m not yet getting the fact that you don’t just line them up. I’ll try some more stuff.
Hi Guys ,
I recently bought a Benjamin 392 LE
# 359 of 500 . It now has a Leapers 3-9x 40
scope on it. At 3 pumps it hits at Point of Aim
pretty well…. shooting off hand… no bench rest…
but when I pump it to 4 or five times the whole
point of aim shifts . Is that Normal for this gun ?
The only other reference point I have is shooting
with the little crossman powermaster 760
and it always seemed to hold it’s POA no matter
how many times I pumped it.
POA also seems to change , to a smaller degree
when switching pellet styles too.
Using Daisy precision max pellets
first….. about a hundred…. and then
going thru a bunch of various style pellets
from Straight Shooters Variety Pack,
it seems that Match Grade WadCutters
work best in this gun. ( Beeman H&N Match )
It would be a grand annoyance if you have to
re adjust the scope settings each time you changed
the number of times it was pumped !
What do ya think ?
in the Great Smoky Mountains
Yes, the POI should move with each additional pump. Perhaps your 760 was tired?
Firstly, I was wondering if the Bug Buster 2 would work with the B-Square mount. Secondly do you have any information on the Steroid upgrade done by Mac1? I recently purchased my 392 from pyramid and have been absolutely delighted with it. After a week and a half I’ve taken 2 rabbits 1 squirrel and a woodchuck with it, all under 25 yards. Although there is plenty of smack to this gun, I wouldnt feel right about shooting at a chuck beyond this range, as they have notoriously tough skulls. Thus I am interested in possibly getting the power upgraded somewhere down the line so that I can bag chucks at longer ranges without worrying that the shots won’t be lethal. Thank you very much, BB, your blog has been extremely helpful. Happy hunting.
The Bug Buster 2 works with most one-inch two-piece scope rings.
I have tested a steroided silver streak, which is very similar to the 392. It is almost twice as powerful as the stock gun, but the later pumps(it will accept up to 14 pumps) take a great deal more effort.
A steroid 392 should extend your chuck range to 35-40 yards. Accuracy doesn’t increase, so the steroid’s max range is based on accuracy, not power.
Thanks for the quick response. However I’m a bit confused. I’m not the best shot on the planet yet I can hit a target two-three inches in diameter (about the size of the kill zone on a chuck)without much of a problem at a about 45-50 yards with my 392 using a peep firing prone with a rest. Does the accuracy drop off considerably on a steroid modded gun if you pump it to capacity? I have heard that the 392 loses accuracy after 5 pumps, although I haven’t this to be the case. Maybe it drops off more noticeably when you get it into the 10-14 pump range? If so why? Thank you very much BB, you’re the main reason I always get my stuff from pyramidair.
Believe it or not, it is easier to hit a 3-inch target than to group in three inches. Give it a try.
The steroid is exactly as accurate as the stock gun.
You’re right as usual. I shot at a pellet tin today (diameter 2.5″) from 45 yards offhand with gamo hunters and only connected on 6 of 10. Maybe I’d do better prone. However, this raises another series of questions for you. So as you say, with a Steroided gun my maximum range for chucks would be about 45 yards if I improve my shooting a little bit. The question then arises, with my current stock gun, what do you think is the maximum range that a pellet could penetrate a chuck’s skull? Perhaps more importantly on, on the subject of pellet selection, how would you rank the following pellets to be able to hit a chuck’s skull and penetrate when it does: gamo hunter, gamo masterpoint, crosman premier, JSB exact express, JSB exact jumbo, B&S Diablo, Beeman Kodiak? Thank you very much for your time.
Thanks for thinking I know the answer to this, but I don’t. I would limit shots on woodchucks to 30 yards with a factory gun.
As for pellets, use the heaviest accurate pellet you can find. I would start with the JSB, then check the Kodiak. After that, it’s anyone’s guess, except that I don’t find pointed pellets to be as accurate as domed one.
Just got my new Benjamin 392 from Pryamid air today. My wife got it as a gift for me. I have a couple of questions.
Should I store it with a pump or two of air in it?
She didn’t order any pellets, so I bought the only ones available from a local store, they are Daisy .22 Precision Max Flat Nose. Are these any good, or should I order something different. I want to shoot crows in my backyard.
Thanks in advance for any tips, etc. So far I love my new gun.
Yes, store your gun with one pump of air.
Daisy wadcutters aren’t the best pellets. Go to Wal-Mart and see if they have Gamo domed or pointed pellets. Local gun dealers sometimes carry RWS and Gamo pellets, so check them out.
Get some Crosman Pellgunoil for when it’s time to oil the pump head, which is the dark thing you see at the end of the pump slot with the handle completely forward.
Now I know that you think scopes are a bad idea on multipumps because they get in the way during pumping. However, I find for me that it is easier to grip the stock of the gun than the top of the barrel, meaning that a scope would not be in the way. This being the case I am considering mounting a bug buster 2 on my rifle to replace the williams peep. Currently I get about 1-1.5″ groups at 20 yards with this set up using gamo hunters. If I upgraded to JSB exacts and mounted the bug buster, do you think I could expect this to shrink into the .5″ range or am I being too hopeful? I’m trying to determine if this would be a good investment for me. Thanks a lot for your advice.
-Steve from MA
Of all the scopes in the world, I think the Bug Buster is the best one for a 392.
Yes your groups will improve. Whether they will improve that much I don’t know. That’s asking a lot.
If you want a scope, get this one.
Thanks for the quick response BB. You’re the man and I want your job.
I just bought a box of pellets today.
The pellets were domed pellets, and when I opened the container, the pellets looked perfect. Barely any deformations/dents, little powder/pieces of lead- I thought I had hit the jackpot.
Next was the target practice when I got home.
First five shots were horrible. Well, I figured that I was rusty and the gun maybe needed to be warmed up. Well, the next five were barely in a three inch group at about 30-40 feet. I continued to fire my rifle, varying the distance and the amount of pumps of my 392. Keeping the groups at 1.5 inches at 25 feet was the best I could do! I was appalled at the horrible accuracy of these pellets! My wadcutters I had been using before were more deformed but more accurate at every distance and power variation!
What were the pellets? “.22 caliber 14.3 gr. Copperhead Domed Pellets (Special Purposes)”
The box said ‘Excellent downrange energy and accuracy.’
I had found them in a corner of a Sportsman’s Club sports store. They were the only .22 pellets in my town other than some horribly old and deformed daisy wadcutters in a Fleet Supply store.
I went through half the pellets in that container and my groups had barely shrunk noticably since I started. I’ll try again tomorrow, but I have no high expectations anymore.
I was hoping for more from these pellets, but my hopes were scattered almost as badly as the pellet groups 😉
That’s the problem with testing pellets. Sometimes you discover what doesn’t work.
Try JSB 15.8-grain Exacts and your accuracy should improve.
What do you do with pellets that aren’t accurate in your pellet guns? Do you just store them away for accuracy tests in later guns?
I have a cabinet filled with dozens of tins of inaccurate pellets. I keep them because I can’t bear to part with them.
Most are British, though quite a few are Chinese. They don’t seem to work well in any airgun. Sometimes I give them away to people I want to bug.
If I were smart, I’d toss them into the lead pot the next time I cast bullets. But like I said, I have dozens of tins, so I don’t think that will happen.
Just read through your blog after the 397 was recommended by a store. I don’t know guns, but had asked for advice for lowest cost solution to use for ridding ~10 rabbits from front yard at 15-25 yards, with neighbors ~75 yards away. Wondered if any lower priced alternatives are worth considering?
If not, I noticed some comments about loudness. Do you think it would be an issue for neighbors?
Sounds like you don’t think I’d need a scope or the Williams peep sight, but should get JSB DIABOLO EXACT JUMBO(15.8 gr) and Crosman Pellgunoil. Anything else?
You mention the 397 but quote the weight of a .22 caliber pellet (15.8 grains). I’d recommend the 392 .22 caliber version of this rifle for game control. A heart shot on 8 pumps will drop a rabbit in his tracks at 30 yards.
Yes this gun will make a pop. It will be a little louder that a loud hand clap.
The rest of what you ask sounds correct.
Sorry about the typo. I meant the 392, as you indicated. So, skip the peep scope, and don’t bother looking for something less $?
That’s my advice.
to kill a raccoon should i use a heavy pellet and a head shot for an efficient and humane kill, or a predator pellet for penetration?
I don’t know what kind of gun you have, nor the caliber. If it’s a .177 that shoots fast, use the Predator. If it’s a .22 or a slower .177, use a heavy dome.
Whatever pellet you choose has to be accurate. And, yes, a head shot is good. But you might miss the brain, so be prepared for follow-up shots.
with a .22 what is the lowest velocity required for a humane kill with a head shot on a raccoon?(from about 50 ft) thank you.
Perhaps 600 f.p.s.
Thank you for all of the great info contained in this Blog. I just wanted to add my 2 cents for anybody whose thinking of buying The Benjamin 392.
I recently purchased the 392 to help control the rabbit population in my yard and garden. I chose this gun because: 1) I like the lack of recoil that a pneumatic provides, 2) I like the fact that a multi-pump gun allows me to adjust the amount of power used, 3) The .22 cal packs a heck of a punch, 4) The materials used (steel, brass, hardwood…no plastic) and a tried-and-true design combine to make a great gun at an affordable price.
As many have stated before, the Williams Peep sight is a great addition to the 392. I still don’t totally understand the science behind it, but it works.
I have achieved very good results with the Benjamin 14.3gr domed pellets. With these pellets and the peep sight, I can consistently get a half inch group at 35 feet.
I have only had this gun for about 6 weeks now, but I can tell it is going to last a long time.
If you’re looking for a well made, affordable gun for pest control or just plinking around, you can’t go wrong with the Benjamin 392.
No gaudy scopes, lasers or SWAT team bolt-ons…just a simple means to a beautiful lawn and garden.
Thank you for that report. This posting is one of the all-time most popular ones and many like you have told us they love their 392 or 397.
i ordered a c9 blue streak on sunday and was wandering if 20 cal is enough knock-down power at 30 yards with a well placed shot
thanks, ag enthusiast
also i have the 14.3gr cylindrical pellets. Are those good for hunting
for a rabbit or squirell
I have killed cottontails at 35 yards with a Blue Streak. With a good hit, your rifle is more than enouigh.
I recently purchased a 392. After mounting a brand new BSA 3-9 x 40 red dot scope on a B-Square intermount with Weaver rings, I found that I am consistantly shooting high. Even with the scope’s point of impact adjusted all of the way down, I still am hitting 4-5″ high at 10 yds. The groups are nice and tight, just in the wrong place.
One thing I have noticed is that the B-Square mount seems to angle downward, as in the plane of the scope base is not parallel to the barrel.
Am I doing something wrong? Faulty scope?
The dot sight ia not faulty, the mount is slanted down. You need to shim the front of the sight to bring it up.
is $154.99 a fair price for the benjamin 392?
its from sports authority, its nearby so i dont have to pay for shipping. i live in hawaii so if i bought one from air pyramid it would cost $175.00 total.
i was also wondering if thease pellets were any good
You can see the price of the gun online and you know the price at the store. What more can I tell you?
The Crosman pellets are fine.
looks like im heading to sports authority.
is it ok if the gun gets rained on?
Dry it well afterwards.
would i be able to take down larger birds like pheasents and quail with a non head shot? whats the farthest distance i can kill from with 5-8 pumps?
Pheasant and quail are game birds protected under the law. It may not be legal to hunt them with an airgun. And you must hunt in season with a license.
These birds are a little large for a 392, though it can do the job in a pinch. I would restrict the range to 25 yards. Birds tend to be tougher than bunnies because feathers tend to be like armor.
well yoday i went to sports authorty and they said they did not carry the benjamin 392 so then i went to the only other shop in hawaii that carries it but they dident have it either. so i was wondering is this site a good place to order it from. i also wanted to know how to get the free shipping
sorry but one more question. how many tins or how many pellets should i purchace? i know i get the 4th tin free but is it worth it to buy 3 tins?
sorry for the typo
You are about to purchase a $140 air rifle and you are questioning an additional $25 purchase of pellets that you have to have to operate the rifle? That’s like buying a new car but not wanting to pay for gas because the price is so high.
Yes Pyramyd Air is a good dealer to deal with – that’s what made them the largest internet dealer in the world and the largest airgun dealer in the U.S.
As for the particulars of shipping, read their literature. It’s all spelled out on the website. This blog is independent from Pyramyd Air and I would have to do the same research as you to learn the answers.
thanks for the info b.b
are beeman .22 trophy pellets any good?
Mopst Beeman pellets are made by H&N – a fine German pellet maker. I believe Trophys are H&N. That means they should be very good.
how many pumps would it take to kill a rat at close range?
If you are talking about a small house rat, five pumps should do the trick without over-penetration. That’s with a 392. With a 397, your aim has to be better but perhaps six pumps and a good hollowpoint pellet should be the right ticket.
thanks for the replies. well my benjamin 392 came in the mail today. so i took the gun out for some shooting. i am having a very difficult time sighting the gun in. the gun is continuing to shoot high even after adjusting the screw for elevation. the elevation screw is almost compleatley out of the hole in the sight. is the screw supposed to be connected at the bottom of the sight. please help me b.b. i really hope i dont have to send it back.
I am assuming that you have run the rear sight down as low as it will go and the rifle is still shooting too high. Is that correct?
At what RANGE are you attempting this at? The gun isn’t made to be sighted at 10 feet or even 10 yards. Sight in for 20 yards and use Kentucky elevation for closer shots by moving the tip of the front sight down to the bottom of the rear notch instead of level with the top.
These guns are made the same every time, so I can’t believe that just one can’t be sighted in. Work with me and we will sort this out.
ok. ill try this and get back to you. thank you so much b.b.
so i am sighting the gun in at twenty yards and i still have to aim very low. so low that the front sight is just below the slot in the rear site. is this normal?
i aslo wanted to know where to oil my gun. i read the manual and i have the right oil but i still dont understand where to oil it.
Flip the gun on its back. Open the pump lever as far as it will go. At the end of the pump slot, the pump piston head can just be seen. Oil there. If there is a felt wiper behind the head (like the one I pictured in the Benjamin HB22 post) oil there, and for the same reason as for the HB 22.
I was shooting my 392 a couple days back, and i decided to try holding the gun different ways to see how it affected accuracy.
I started by supporting the gun on its balance point and loosely holding it. i got about 4 inch groups at 20 yards. i then tried different techniques which didn’t group well.
Then i moved my hand up towards the muzzle of the gun, and my group sizes shrank by half! I was now getting 2 inch groupings!
Its been raining frequently and there has been very gusty wind so i havent been able to shoot for a couple days. I’ll try today again maybe, and see what else I can find out.
It’s good to hear from you again.
Your observations deserve some follow-up. Please continue your explorations and tell us what happens. If you get repeatable results, we’ll ask other owners to test your methods. Maybe you have hit on something!
Will do! If the wind lets up I’ll go try some more groupings today!
Well I have concluded my tests, and I must say I’m surprised.
First of all, I have been using .22 Crosman Wadcutters. These are surprisingly inaccurate pellets that group two, three or four pellets together (1-2 inch groups) and send two or three away from the group (2-3 inches away from main group). But then again, I am most certain that I am not the best of shot, and many of the groupings could have been better with a different shooter! Human error affects the groupings quite a bit for me!
I was shooting at 25 yards, but maybe that was too far for these pellets (and me!). I was shooting with open sights. I sat on my stairs and rested my elbow on my knee. I tried shooting with a firm and loose grip in three different spots. One spot was the balance point, the second was on the edge of the pump lever (my hand was completely on the lever). The third was as far forward as I could comfortably hold the rifle and shoot, which was right on the slope of the pump lever (my palm was right on the sloping area).
1. Six pumps on balance point
I got a 1 and 11/16 inch group with a firm grip (average 2 and 3/16 inch) , and a 2 and 4/16 inch group with a loose grip (average 2 and 4/16).
2. Six pumps on lever
My best grouping while I held firmly on the pump lever was 4 and 2/16 inches (average 3 and 15/16 inches). Loosely holding got me 3 and 13/16 inches (average 3 and 15/16 inches).
3. Six pumps on slope
The best group I got out of all my shots was 1 and 7/16 inches, which I got by firmly holding onto the slope (average of 2 and 3/16 inches). Loosely holding the slope got me 3 and 14/16 inches as my best (average of 4 and 2/16 inches).
When I shot the same way at eight pumps, all my groups stayed below 3 inches. With many less fly aways.
The only really confident thing I can say is that I got the most consistent groupings with eight pumps, and the best groupings with six pumps. Of course, these could all be flukes and these pellets could be very innacurrate. Or I could just be a bad shot.
Most of the positions I held the rifle in had at least one good or semi-good quality to it, and most had an almost random seeming scatter of pellets. I know this rifle could do better, but I need a better pellet, and maybe a closer target!
In conclusion, 8 pumps while holding the slope in a firm or loose grip seems to be my best bet and I will keep practicing, constantly changing and testing out new ways.
I know how I’m going to be shooting, but my way might not work for everyone (or every pellet). My testing has a lot of flaws, too. So… Anyone who’s reading this, don’t be so quick to be shooting my way, try it out, but don’t just stick to someone elses technique. Don’t always look for someone elses answers, look for hints. If you do it yourself you learn more about yourself and the gun you are using.
Thanks for tolerating this!
Now you have your rifle. I remember what an ordeal getting it was!
And now you have baselined your rifle at 25 yards. I agree Crosman wadcutters are not doing well for you. I think it’s time you tried some really fine pellets, such as Kodiaks, JSBs or something in the H&N line. Use your best shooting hold and test the pellets against your best groups so far.
In one year, I’d like you to repeat this test. If you have explored other pellets, I will bet you will get groups that average ij the 3/4-inch range.
I would love to try some nice pellets! Unfortunately, I don’t have access to any stores that sell .22 caliber pellets other than Fleet Farm and Walmart. Walmart sells Daisy Precision Max wadcutter pellets (or something like that) and Fleet sells the Crosman Wadcutters.
A five dollar tin of pellets on Pyramydair has an extra 10 dollars of shipping added to it too. But they do ship fast, so the price doesn’t seem high to me, it’s just that that’s ten more bucks I have to come up with.
When you say Kodiaks, do you mean BEEMAN .22 Kodiak Extra Heavy pellets? They are the only ones in .22 that Pyramydair sells (as far as I can tell). JSBs are pretty expensive too! Crosman Premier Domed look good, and seem to have more pellets for a more affordable price.
If I were to buy (and I might) then I would like to buy one or two of each and test them out.
Which do you think would be more accurate, Beemans or Crosmans or JSBs?
I know you’re on a budget, but you can’t shoot for free. Shooting bad pellets is a waste of time because it doesn’t get you all the sport has to offer.
The holidays are coming, so maybe you could ask for some pellets then, plus a fellow your age should be able to figure out how to earn at least $20 a week, don’t you think?
I think the JSBs will do best, but Kodiaks (yes Beeman Kodiaks – are there any others?) are great pellets that sometimes surprise everyone.
As far as the shipping goes, order four tins and offset it somewhat with the fourth tin free.
I am buying 2 tins of Beeman Kodiaks, 1 box of JSBs and another box of Crosman Premier Domed pellets.
An email from Pyramydair for 10% off the price clinched my decision.
Unfortunately, I couldn’t find the mailing address to send my check to. I believe it’s “”Pyramyd Air
26800 Fargo Avenue, Unit #L
Bedford Heights, OH 44146″” but I am not sure. Could you tell me if this is the right address to mail a check to?
I am hoping that I get great results with these pellets and I hope to find the best to use with my air rifle out of these 3.
I have a somewhat long wait-the JSBs are out of stock- but I will try to use up my Wadcutters before I get the pellets.
Thanks for all your help BB. I am a very reserved person and I am strict with my money, but you’ve helped me to realize that this is a sport that I will have to freely spend money to fully appreciate.
Should I write my check out to Pyramyd Air Gun Mall?
From the website shipping info:
26800 Fargo Avenue, Unit #L
Bedford Heights, OH 44146
Make the check to Pyramyd Air.
Hi I am in the UK and have a Sheridan C Series .20 pump action rifle and am trying to source some new seals for it. The rifle pumps up ok but does not hold the charge for very long. Can you help me.
I can’t recommend any sources in the UK, but you might contact this man:
Forgive me if this is common knowledge (I’m already thinking about a second gun and I haven’t yet bought my first), but would a Benjamin 397/392 offer repeatability at the number of pumps needed to generate 10-meter I velocities?
In other words, would four pumps produce in the neighborhood of 500 fps velocities — and good accuracy — on a repeatable basis?
I know it’s not a replacement for a real target gun, but I’m curious the extent to which you can control the power — reliably and repeatedly.
I’m looking at getting a good multi pump rifle for squirrel hunting. I am st on either the 392 or the blue/silver streak. I know the only difference is the caliber. The 20 would shoot an almost as heavy pellet at the same velocity which would penetrate better but the 22 I would think would have more impact. What I don’t know is how this would translate into on game performance. Either would be better than what I’ve got now. Now I’m using a Remington airmaster 77 with a Bushnell 6-18×50 scope. I’ve taken several squirrels, and many rabbits. All have dropped without a twitch but all were perfect head shots at under 25 yards as the gun shoots one hole groups at ten meters with crosman premier hollow points. I just want a little added insurance if you know what I mean. Which would you recommend? I have pictures on my myspace if you want to check them out under the my pics album. Heres the url. it’s http://www.myspace.com/airgunsniper
Either caliber will work for you and there won’t be enough difference to see. Remember that the .22 has more selection in pellets.
Thanks bb. I’ve never used a 20 cal gun before and wasn’t sure if it had the same impact as the .22. I like the finish on the silver streak but the 20 cal pellets aren’t locally available so that’s a bit of a limitation. Do you know what weight pellet was used when they chronied the silver/blue streak .20 cal?
They used the lightest pellet they could find. In .20, that’s in the 11-grain range.
I just bought a 392 and was wondering if I should keep a pump of air in it to keep the valve closed as with some other guns or leave it empty?
Yes, definitely keep a pump of air in you 392 at all times. It will last for decades if you do. And don’t fail to lubricate the pump head with Crosman Pellgunoil.
Thanks for tirelessly putting up with us airgunners. This blog is packed with good info about the guns I’ve so patiently examined but still never held in my hands. I know which ones I want, now. A Streak, and an Airsource 392. I won’t dissapoint once I get a few stories. This quest is just beginning. Thanks for all the time you spend here. I’m going with premium domed pellets and look forward to sharing my experiences with all the neurotic airheads out there in cyber space. Pump on! Juddson
Good luck on the AirSource 392. Crosman discontinued them earlier this year and it may be hard to locate one.
I have come across my father-in-law’s Benjamin Franklin H 39666. It is .22 cal pump rifle. It needs a rebuild and refinish. Can you recommend where to find specs and parts for this gun?
For specs, try Dean Fletcher
Your Benjamin (not Benjamin Franklin) 312 was probably made in 1955/56. There are no parts unless you make them. Here is where to get it fixed:
Rick Willnecker in PA. Contact him at firstname.lastname@example.org or call 717-382-1481.
I have an old Benjamin .177 caliber air rifle, which I believe is a Model 397. It was purchased brand new in 1972, when I was 13 years old. I woud like to get it refurbished, as it has ahard time holding air now. Could you suggest any repair shops in the vicinity of Oklahoma for these repairs? Thanks
Here is a man on Austin:
George Pena in TX. George is at email@example.com or 512-863-2951.
Earlier last year, you answered a 397 question about sighting that I don’t quite understand. Just received my purchased 397 and it is a sturdy rifle that I’m sure going to enjoy. I got the vertical sighting on target but having a problem adjusting the lateral screws; I’m having trouble centering aim from the left to center. Which front screws do I tighten and loosen to get the aim more to the right? Do I tighten the left screw and loosen the right screw or vice versa? In other words, what is the step-by-step to center the sighting from left to right? And, do I have to push or pull the whole sight fixture after I’ve adjusted the screws? Thanks, Nod
It’s right in the manual and pretty clear. Read this page of the 392 manual online:
Thanks for your help. My 397 manual has the elevation info printed but does NOT include the lateral info. Pyramid’s manual on the 392, which you directed me to, apparently added that info to the online manual and it wasn’t well proof read because here is how the last sentence of the lateral directions reads: “To make the pellet hit further right on the target, loosen the windage screw on the left side of the sight and tighten the windage screw on the left side of the sight and tighten the windage screw on the right side of the sight (Fig. 6)” Confusing, isn’t it? Oddly enough, I went to the Crosman website, and neither of its newest 392 or 397 manuals have the lateral sight instructions. However, an older 392 manual does contain the correct info. Go figure! Nod
I love my Sheridan Silver Streak C9. It’s the bomb .
Which intermount is better for this rifle, the B-Square or the Air Venturi? Thanks.
Having just tested it, I found the Air Venturi mount to be stronger than any other. However, that doesn’t mean that it’s strong. Just stronger than all the rest. Don
t bump it or you’ll probably have to re-zero.
I still don’t like scopes on multi-pumps.
I noticed that you used the Air Venturi intermount on the pump-assist 392 with favorable results. Would you choose the Air Venturi or B-Square intermount?
This is the second time I have answered this question and the third time you have asked it.
Go with the Air Venturi for the additional strength.
BB, I wanted to express my veiws on the Benjis 397/392. I have both, and each are mounted with a scope. On my 397, I installed the B272 intermounts with the accu-shot off-set mount. Then I purchased a BSA “classic” scope from Wal-mart. My 392 model is equipt with the Air-Venturi mount system (over the bolt) with the same model BSA scope. Both scopes are ideal for me since I usually stick to shooting squirrel and plinking beer cans. My range in the back yard is set up at 10, 20, and 25 yards. Both are sighted in at 20 yards with Beeman silver-bears. I understand why you state that your opposition to mounting these rifles because of the pumping issue, but I’ve come up with a suggestion that my help others out. Always being safety concience, I ALWAYS keep the safety ON!!! Either after the shot, or after cocking/loading,…You just do it!!!! Next I hold the butt of the stock between my feet and then hold the end of the muzzle with an open hand, and simply pump it with the other hand. And of course, holding the muzzle out and away from me. I do have a concern with jarring the scope by the constant pumping, so I put a piece of 1/2″ X 1/8″ weather stripping on the inside of the fore arm stock. Works great and quiets the slapping sound/impact on the barrel a good bit. Others of smaller stature or those like me developing artharitis in their upper body might try this method of pumping. I did take my old 98 model 397 to an authorized service center to be checked out. He told me to pump it only 6 times, and to count to 2 between each pump. I can see where this helps out equalize the “atmospheres” inside the air chamber, and outside atmosphere. I’m not sure, but I must have got a really good plunger seal, because the 1st pump feels like the fourth or fifth pump on my newer 392. Anyways, I stick to the 6 pump method with everything but the heavier pellets like the silver arrows, crow-mags, and my personnal favorite the predators. Like I sayed before, since I only shoot small game and Natural Lites, I feel the scopes I use are adequite for my needs. And they won’t burn a whole in your wallet either!! I’ve never had a problem with either mounts coming lose or anything. My advice to others is to “just snug them on firm, don’t over tighten them, and treat the rifle gently” Use the proper tools too. When practicing, I lay them on an old wood stove covered with a bath towel. I wish Crosman would use a hex head type screws on the bolt adjustment plate. The flat heads mar too easy even with the correct driver. It’d look cooler too!!! Now I do have a question for you. What is your take on the Crosman Sierra Pro break-barrel? I’ve got one on order right now from PyramydAir. I was going to get a quest 1000/Storm 1000, but was told by a sales rep that the Quest was junk, and the Storm looks like the same gun with slightly different weights and barrel lengths. The Sierra got good reviews on a couple of different sites, but the specks weren’t much different. I suppose I’ll have to wait and see for myself. Hope you can offer your likes /dislikes about this rifle. Thanks Thomas
Well, I haven’t tested the Sierra Pro, so I really can’t say. It all comes down to the barrel. Let’s hope it’s a good one.
Please tell us your experience after you break it in.
BB, For some reason, this won’t publish my comments. I sent in three yesterday, and they aren’t showing up. Am I looking in the wrong page? Thomas
BB, Never mind, I figured it out, Some of the letters in the word verification are capitols! I’ll be in touch later. Thomas
I’m looking into the problem.
It happenned again!?!? Guess my last comment is lost in cyber-space. Take two. BB, I followed the mounting instructions for the scope and still hitting 6″ below target. I wrote a more detailed description, but it’s a pain retyping it for the third time. Maybe you’ll get this one. Can you check your word verification archives? tried the Name/URL but have better success getting through under the anonymous identity thing. Thomas
BB, OK here’s an indepth description of the problem. Having no trouble with the windage adjustment, but the elevation reticle is giving me fits. I’ve adjusted it up as far as it will go and still way off. The factory sights are cheap and inaccurate, so I won’t bother using them. The rear sight in particular, is worthless, removed the top assembly completely. The green monofiliment in the front sight kept blurring/reflecting light into the scope, so I slid it out of the sight. I’ve tried everything from turning the mount backwards and cantilevering it up with the scope-stop screww to shimming under one ring of the mount to compensate the difference, and still off a mile. Thomas
I am working on the problem.
If you are hitting low, you need to raise the rear of the scope.
You will need to raise the rear of the scope with an adjustable scope mount.
What adjustable scope mount do you recommend? Yes hitting low. Perhaps I should dissasemble the whole thing and start from scratch. The factory mount scope stop screw might lift it up more, but I’ll leave the dovetail clamps loosenned until I can get the scope closer to target. Can you recommend any particular blog on the 3/8″ inch dovetail rail mount installation? Thanks I’ll try your advice. Thomas
I recommend B-Square AA Adjustable scope mounts. They are made to fit an 11mm rail, which is larger than 3/8″.
I wish you could change the word verification on this system because it’s a real pain telling the difference between the lower case letters and the capitols. Just sent a detailed blog, and because I can’t do the verification BS, It’s lost in where ever, and Really exaspirating too!! Thomas
Word verification is software provided by Blogger. What you need to do is select all of your comment and copy it before posting. If it doesn’t go through, you can paste the copy on the next empty comment page to try again.
I don’t have to do word verification and Blogger still loses some of my comments. I write 30-60 comments every day, seven days a week, so I had to learn this trick to survive.
We have no control over the Blogger software.
BB, I’ll try it, thanks. Yesterday I disassembled the whole scope/mount and started over. I guess I was thinking backwards in regards to the scope tilt. I adjusted the stop-screw up, and that helped out a good bit. I did read up on the mount you suggested, but it didn’t exactly get a 5 star review. Beeman makes a similar mount designed for ‘barrel droop’ but it’s not offered by Pyramid. Either way I will try one of them. The factory mount isn’t even seated in the rear of the dovetail, so it will only be a matter of time before it’ll have to be adjusted/tightenned. Wish Crosman would have spent a little more time on this,…as well as those cheap plastic sites too!!! Good news is I’m hitting 1 and 1/2″ groups now. I wasn’t really crasy about this product, but things are starting to come around. It has good power, and yes it is very loud out of the box, but that lessens the more you shoot it. Just a little factory shipping oils ‘dieselling’ I guess. I had smoke coming out the firt couple shots. Last nitght I put a little pellgun oil on the breech seal, and it cracked off like a .22. How many rounds does it take to break a rifle like this in? I’ve had the best results using crosman ammo. More on that later, Thomas
The reason the B-Square mount doesn’t get good reviews is because people don’t install it correctly. It’s the best adjustable mount on the market.
I thought you might be adjusting the scope tile backwards. That’s a common error. Remember, back of the scope must move in the direction you want the shots to go.
The Pellgunoil you put in the rifle is petroleum-based, so of course it will detonate (not diesel! Your rifle ALWAYS diesels. When it goes bang, that’s a detonation.). Use a silicone chamber lube.
OK BB, Here’s my latest finding on pellets. But let me ask you what pellets you consider too light and too heavy for a 1000 fps spinger. Yesturday, I sighted in (at 20 yards) using the basic crosman field pointed pellets from walmart, and the crosman destroyers. I liked the fact that they slid into the breech without any forcing. And both were more accurate than any of the other pellets I’ve experimented with. The Beeman silver bears, crows mags took more effort to insert, and I didn’t like the lead shavings they left in the breech area after pushing them home. Didn’t even bother with the heavy silver arrows. I had the same results with the Gamo Hunters too. All above were all over the place. The only other pellets that slid in without any force were the predators, and they were more accurate than the Beemans/Gamos. They did fall below target but I’d expect that being slightly heavier that the crosmans. 7.9 grains seems to be the magic weight for this rifle so far, the preds are around 8.2 grains resulting in the drop off,….I guess!!! While observing the breech, I did notice that the rubber sealing ring was uneven in it’s seat,….nothing drastic, but am I safe to assume this is because of the ‘breaking’ action and closing like a hinge (hittin one side before the other?) Thanks, Thomas
I think 7.9 grains if okay. Remember, that 1000 f.p.s. is with a super light pellet. With a 7.9 you are probably between 880 and 920, so you are okay.
Heavier pellets usually don’t drop, they climb higher from longer dwell time in the barrel during recoil.
BB, OK, I understand that. I was shooting in the standing position without sandbags, so we’ll blame the drop on human error.
BB, Well whatever you call it, it was loud. Got a giggle out of it, but we won’t be doing that anymore!! LOL’s Will using a heavier/tighter pellet like the Beemans and Gamos I mentionned break in the barrel faster? And does the term “breaking” in refer to wearing the rifleing down some? Smoothing it out. Remember, This is my first springer, so it’s a whole different ball game for me!! Being that the barrel is steel and not brass like my benji’s, how often should I clean it. I know you said never to clean the Benji’s,so don’t get mad at me, but in my experience, I’ve found that periodical (once a year is plenty) cleanning with a little, and I mean a drop of “Kleen-Bore” gun oil on the screw side a rifle mop will clean the leading build-up inside the barrel without getting any oil into the air valve hole. But just a tad of oil mind you. Then I take and clean the mop off and “dry” the bore with a stroke or two. That’s it. No effect on performance or accuracy. Have done this for three years now. If I’m wrong, and the leading is beneficial to the brass barrel, please let me know. I think using my Sierra is making me a better shot with my 397!! I get tickled getting 1″ groups from 25 yards. When I can achieve this with my new springer, this upcoming hunting season will yeild a bountiful harvest of squirrel!! Thomas
Brass barrels don’t get dirty, which is why they never need to be cleaned. What you are doing shouldn’t harm to bore so continue.
The steel barrel doesn’t wear in human terms. It can take a million pellets and show no appreciable differences. That’s established because there are club guns with that kind of wear on them.
The barrel doesn’t break in, but cleaning it with JB Bore Cleaning Compound they way I have describved a half-dozen times in this blog will smooth it.
Hold on there BB, I’m not sure what you mean by smoothing the bore. Do you mean knocking off the factory edge of the rifleing down a bit, or smoothing it completely! Somehow smoothing it out would defeat the purpose. I’ll look through this blog and see if I can find it. If you remember the date (roughly), I’d be glad to study up on it. Thanks again, Thomas
Hey BB, I tried to type in that link, but in said the server could find it and to contact the web master……That’s a little beyond my pc expertise. No worries though, I’ll just keep looking. I will gues-timate that I’ve put about 500 rounds through my Sierra so far, and it’s starting to come around. I even shot a few of the Gamo’s/Beemans in it today, and they were coming closer into range. That’s without sandbags and benches of course,…so it could have been simply “dumn-luck” Think I’d better get one of those pellet stick things I saw in the accesories directory on PA. I used a ball-point pin to push them in with out maring the skirt with the back of my finger-nail. Anyways, My “range” is fairly simple. I built a sturdy pellet trap of ply-wood, with ten, and twenty yards marked with international orange spray paint. But most of the time I shoot standing on back patio five yards back,….hang with me BB, I’m going somewhere with this ok. With a couple of cement blocks and a 4×4 of western cedar, I line up four water filled aluminum cans 6″ apart, with those little bright orange stickers you see in the produce section at the grocery store, slapped right in the middle of them. Shoot them off the rail (still get a kick out of it)and study the pattern of impact on each can; high, low, left, or right etc. But after another round with the cans, I turn them on their side and aim to the bottom of each can, and guess what?!?! There’s another one of those stickers on it!!! Cool idea huh??? Makes them easier to crush too. My daughter loves to shoot to so there’s always a healthy supply of used beverage containers!! I do have a short question. I need a “small” rifle for my girlfriend to shoot. Any recommendations. Poor woman’s 4’11”!!
You don’t TYPE links! You cut and paste them!
Nobody can type links accurately and get it right most of the time. Just cut and paste and the link will work.
Consider an IZH 61 for your girlfriend. It’s very small and lightweight.
Hey BB, tried the cut and paste to no availe. I’ll have my nine yearold next weekend and she’ll show me how. No prob! One look at the IZH 61 you suggested and I got two words ( more or less?!?),…”No Way”,…”I want a real gun”,…she’s a country girl. Guess I’ll have to get a new 397 and saw the stock off half-ways. LOL’s. I tried to get her to look at the IZH spec’s, but you know how women are. Anyways,. I looked through the first page of blogs, and saw one about solder break between barrel and piston tube separation from the 272 inter-mount. That threww up a red flag to me. I did find my scope a tad loose the other day, so I yurned back the off-set mount a bit, and that solved the issue. Like everything else, metal expands and contracts with temperature and barometric variances (sp???). But since my 397 has very special nostagic meaning to me, I’ll be ordering another venturi mount asap. I can use the 272’s on the little woman’s rifle!!! I have looked at the the RWS Diannna’s, and found a youth model,…#34 (?!?) I think. What’s your take on these Germans? I would like to give out a “Salute” ( remember Hee_Haw?!?!?), I bought a “sampler pack” of RWS pellets at the bass pro shop outside Knoxville, while on the road, and when I got home I tried them on both my springer and “old reliable” 397, and I must say I was impressed. From the back porch (30 yards) with rain and wind gust’s. I’m saving the bulldogs and pointeds for the sand bags!!! Very nice! One problem though. Neither Walmart nor the BPS had the silicon chamber oil much less pellgun oil. Is the a general purpose oil I could use in the mean time until my next pyramid order. Thanks, Thomas
Hey BB, I did for get one thing. Would you give me a description of “barrel dwell” in regards to heavier pellets? Thanks, Thomas
Well, now you are using good pellets. What do you mean by the crack about the German guns? Surely you know that RWS Diana springers will shoot rings around your multi-pumps?
The RWS Diana 34 is hardly a small rifle. It’s larger than a full-sized centerfire deer rifle and takes some muscle to cock it.
The Gamo Whisper would be okay for your girlfriend but the synthetic stock cannot be shortened without ruining it.
I don’t know what you want to know about dwell time. It’s just a slang term for inertia. Heavier mass takes more force to accelerate, which equals more time.
I now advocate using the Air Venturi cantilever scope base. It needs Weaver rings.
As for silicone chamber oil, why not order it here? Pyramyd Air is the largest airgun store in America – many times larger than all other airgun dealers combined. They have what you need.
Can we take this conversation to the current page? Other people would like to read your questions and you are hidden here, because of the Google software.
OK BB. How do I browse to the current page? Thomas
At the top of this page in the right-hand column, under the “About Me” section, notice the underlined words, Pyramyd Air Home. Put your cursor on top of those words and click one time. It will take some time for what happens next.
The Pyramyd Air home page will open. You might want to bookmark that page, or at least write down the URL, which is the long address that appears in the narrow window at the top of your browser.
There are blue tabs near the top of the page. The second from the right says BLOG. Put your cursor on top of that word and click once. It will take some time for what happens next.
The current page of the blog will open. Notice the date at the top of the blog. That is the date I published it. On the right column is the same thing you saw on this page, plus there are links (connections) to previous blog posts by month and year. This blog is nearly 4 years old and there are almost 800 individual posts like this one. You can search for things you are interested in by writing what you want to find in the Search window on the right-hand column. You must put your cursor over that window and click once to be able to write in it. Once you have written what you hope to find, place your cursor over the SEARCH butto and click once. Some time will elapse before the next window opens, showing all your finds. Each blue phrase is a different likn that will take you to a different blog posting.
When pumping the benjamin sheridan guns, is it better to first cock the gun before pumping. I read somewhere that if oyu do not do this the valve alignment can prematurely get screwed up. So is this a good practice to follow? Thanks B.B. for al your help.
I’ve never heard that before. I don’t see how the valve alignment could be screwed up by pumping without cocking. In fact, that’s what I do and my Sheridan Blue Streak was new in 1978. It has never been resealed.
Some pneumatics require cocking before pumping. With those you have to choice. With the others, you can do it however you like.
From the comments on this blog I just couldn’t resist. I just received a new 392 from Pyramyd Air and am a very happy hunter! For the very low price that you pay for this air rifle, it is a very well built gun. I was a bit hesitant when I read about the plastic trigger, but I am very confident that this trigger assembly will last a long time. The plastic appears to be very robust with the look of blued steel. The pull is very comfortable, better than many of my smoke-rifles. I also got the recommended Williams peep sight. It went on very easily and gives an outstanding sight picture! Just a hint for those that use this sight in low light, unscrewing the aperture to remove it will turn this sight into a ghost-ring! But, as pointed out before, taking the old sight off is not mentioned in the instructions that came with the sight. I used my plastic-head hammer to tap the rear sight toward the breech and it slipped off. Unfortunately this left a very thin two inch scratch in the barrel, which is not nearly as noticeable as the hideous serial number dotted into the other side. I found the effort to pump up the gun was very easy, even up to the max eight pumps. I am glad I did not pay the extra for the easy-pump modification. This air rifle is very quiet compared to my RWS Diana 45 spring-piston and seems to hit much harder. I didn’t think there would be much difference between the 0.177 pellet from the Diana and the 0.218 pellet from the Benji, but I was wrong. The bigger pellet makes a much more authoritative sound when it hits a Propel water bottle! A nice solid “thunk” instead of the “tink” I was used to hearing. I bought some Benjamin Discovery 14.3 hollow point pellets with the gun and find that they indeed do not expand at all when shooting them into the water bottles. At eight pumps they go straight through with the same size hole coming out as went in. At five pumps they tumble inside and flatten side-ways without exiting (all at 15 yards). I think I will try some match wadcutters for hunting, especially when using chest shots. A long time ago I switched to flat-faced bullets for my smoke rifles after seeing the difference they make when hitting animals. Using Ivory soap bars as ballistic putty shows this difference very well, so I need to try both pellet styles on Ivory at different ranges and I recommend anyone who hunts to do the same with a number of different pellet shapes. The changes in both diameter and depth of wound path are clearly illustrated using this method. This is also a very effective way to compare different calibers using similar pellet shapes, or different guns, pumps or ranges with the same pellets. I would highly recommend this air rifle to any adult looking for quiet power to hunt small game. – Hog Hunter
Your comment is almost a guest blog. Want to do one on the same subject?
how do u remove the rear blade sites on a 392
The rear sight legs must be pried away from the barrel. Be careful as they are springy and hold tight an the barrel solder line can crack under too much strain.
This is a job best left to a qualifies airgunsmith like Mac-1 or Bryan & Associates.
I bought my Benjamin in 1964. 44 years later it still works I have been plinking soda cans. Still pretty accurate, I’m 60 now will be passing it to my grandson when he turns 16 in about 8 years.
Are you familiar with the Mac 1 enhanced B392, amongst other things, it has integral dove tails. The Bug Buster looks like it would fit the dove tailed receiver, perfectly.
I'm looking at this configuration as an indoor & backyard trainer for long range marksmanship, including reticle range estimation and wind speed estimation.
Would you be willing to do a review on the Steroid & bug buster combination?
All the best,
I have owned and tested a Steroid Streak. That’s as close to a 392 as I can come.
The Bug Buster is just a scope and has little bearing on the Steroid tune. As a scope it is very promising on the 392. So let’s just set that aside, if we can.
I can report on the Steroid Streak, if you like.
B.B. is familier with the steroid tune. Here’s a good article to read that B.B. did awhile back(you’ll need to copy and paste):
From what I’ve read and experienced (I own a 392 and 397) B.B. doesn’t like any scope on these guns since it gets in the way of pumping.
Did you know there is an active discussion taking place on the current blog. Airgunners just like you asking and answering each other questions and sharing airgun related stories. You can access, and become a part of, this current discussion by going to the most current article that B.B. has written (B.B. writes a new article every day Monday-Friday), scroll down to the bottom of the article and click on “comments”. Here’s the link:
Look forward to seeing you there!
Surprise. Yes to a blog on your Steriod Streak, When you have the time. I like my Crosman 140 and it’s cousin the Benjamin 392. Looked alot at Mac 1, but got the Talon SS W/ 24″barrel also, thanks again for your advice on that one. However, I still like the idea of his Steriod treatmen.
I’m trying to help with keeping up with posts to past blogs, but man Kevin you must have your system set up to beep like my kids cell phones’ depending on who’s calling. Every once in awhile, I get an answer in before you do.
If you hear anything from Volvo and can give us an update, please do. Thank you Mr B.
If you dont pump the benji more than 3-4 times how loud will it be and what will the velocity be?
The velocity will be 375-45 and the sound will be like a quiet hand clap. Maybe 104-106 decibels.
I just purchased a Benjamin 397 as my first air gun. It seems to be shooting very well, but I was wondering what I should do to test the sights to see if they are adjusted correctly. Any information would be great. Thanks!
Shoot the rifle at a target about 20 yards away. Adjust the elevation until you hit the target.
The 397 does not allow for left-right adjustment, so if the rifle is slightly off one way you must aim off to compensate. This is called Kentucky windage.
my benjamin 392 seems to hold air but wont fire. i pull back the bolt and pull the trigger but no air comes out. it just gets harder and harder to pump. what can i do. i dont want to ruin my gun.
my benjamin 392 seems to hold air but wont fire. i pull back the bolt and pull the trigger but no air comes out. it just gets harder and harder to pump. what can i do. i dont want to ruin my gun.
I think your rifle either isn't cocking or you have it valve locked. Stop pumping it.
Your rifle should never be pumped more than 10 strokes. If you have done that, the valve has too much pressure or the hammer to open it.
The rifle has to be partially disassembled and the valve stem has to be opened by force. This is a job for an airgunsmith. Here is a reliable repair station
that can also replace any parts that have been over-stressed by over-filling.
I have a problem with my benjamin multi pump. If I pump it 8 times or so and let it sit for two or three minutes until I fire, it loses all it's power. it seems like its losing air or something.What do I do?
Have you oiled the pump head with Pellgunoil recently? If not, do that by following the description in this report:
Do NOT use anything but Crosman Pellgunoil to do this.
When you finish shooting be sure and store your 392 with a couple of pumps of air in it. That along with B.B.'s advice about using Pelgun Oil will keep your gun shooting for decades.
PS don't for get the daily blog at/blog//. See you there. Let us know how you're doing thanks.
I had a Benjamin .22 (possibly a 392) back in the 70's. Gave it away to a friend who has it to this day. I purchased another one and must admit that it brings me back to my youth. The Benjamin is a classic design to say the least. I really like Break Barrel Pellet Rifles. The price, the looks and craftsmanship keep my buying Benjamin Sheradin models however. I plan on getting a Silver Streak 5mm in due time. Groups great at 25 yards and is relaxing to shoot.
Hi Nick,Thanks for your comments on the Benjamin 392. Alot of us love and shoot that gun.FYI, you posted to a blog that B.B. wrote in 2005. He rights a daily blog at https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/ every Mon-Fri where alot of good people answer questions, share information, etc. Come check us out. Hope to see you there.Mr B.
Hi, I would like to rebuild my 1995 Benjamin 177 back to new myself and understand that Pyramid has the parts but the instructions are very, very poor.
Can you send me an internet link to show how to repair this gun with the pyramid kits?
Thank you, John in San Antonio
PS: It looks just like my Blue Streak 1974 model serial 014454 that has never failed me.
Too, I have some old Benjamin Franklins … one will hold air but the pump level pops down and the other makes a hiss after you pump it and will not hold air. I must have bought these back in 1959 or so … serials H75236 and H314989. One has a strange rear site which are two half circles.
Maybe, I can repair these too … have tried 3 in 1 oil on them but not the pelligunoil.
Too, what is the going rate to have the Texas Repairman bring these old guns back to working condition instead of me doing it?
Pyramyd Air invites you to call them if you are having trouble understanding the directions.
If you need assistance, contact our technicians at 888-262-4867, ext. 244
As for the cost to repair your other guns, it will vary by what they need. I paid $35 plus shipping a few years back to have this man fix a pneumatic for me:
George Pena in TX. George is at firstname.lastname@example.org or 512-863-2951.
Thanks BB … before I send off the old guns … where can I buy the Pellgunoil to try it first … where in the local stores here in San Antonio? Thanks, John
Only in a gun store that carries a wide line of airguns. Guns besides Gamo and RWS. Otherwise you can get it online here:
Would you recommend using the Air Venturi Intermount with a Leapers 4×32 Mil Dot scope with the 397, or just the Crosman peep sights? (The rail and scope I am referring to is the one that comes with the combo)
I never liked scopes on multi pump pneumatics. Al it takes is one pump before you will know why I feel that way. The scope gets in the way of pumping.
I vote for the peep sight.
My gun seems to not be holding air. i pumped it too much before (i know its bad). Anyways it shot all the air and gas out but now it will not hold air when i pump the gun. I am not sure what to do now though. should i send it to pyramid air to get fixed or some place else? i really like the gun but is it worth it to repair or do i need to buy a new one?
Have you tried oiling the pump head with CROSMAN PELLGUNOIL?
If that doesn't work contact Pyramyd Air tech support.
Based on all the positive comments I bought a 392 and my initial impressions are mixed. The quality, I'm sad to say, is lacking. The black paint on the barrel and receiver is uneven and in some places looks like it had been hastily spot painted. Also, the fit of the receiver to the stock is a little loose; tightening of the screw did nothing to fix this. I find this slightly awkward when working the pump handle and taking aim (just when I settle in with a good sight picture, the stock moves and I have to reacquire.) Finally, the rifle will not hold air for longer than a few minutes. If I don't shoot shortly after pumping the rifle, the air pressure decreases or drops altogether. The only upside is that it is a very accurate rifle. I am willing to overlook the poor paint finish and even the loose stock (could probably shim it to prevent wobble), but I'm not too sure about the fact that it can't maintain air pressure for an extended period. After all, isn't that one of the advantages of a pneumatic over a springer? Is this dropping air pressure normal or is my rifle defective? Thanks in advance for your response and all your informative posts.
No, a 392 is not supposed to leak air like that. You should return that rifle and exchange it for another. The 392 should hold a charge for hours, though it is not recommended to do that. In fact, you are supposed to leave a pump of air in the gun when you are not shooting it. my 392 holds that pump for years.
Thanks for the information and advice; I will return it but I'm wary about getting another 392. Although I really want a .22 pneumatic, I'm considering the Remington (Crosman) 77 which I've read good things about. Thanks also for recommending leaving a pump of air in these types of guns – I have an older Crosman 1377 that I started doing that with only after reading about it on your blog.
I can buy a Benjamin 347, that is in 90% condition, that was made in 1977 for $100 or I can buy a brand new 397 for $130. I am not into the historic aspects of it, just function. What would you recommend as the best air rifle. It seems that some people feel the older rifles are better, but others feel the new ones have advantages. Thanks, Matt
if you are not into historic or collectibles, buy the new rifle for $30 more and get a warranty. The newer rifles or products typically are using better materials and better designs so they would perform better. By the way, a 347 in 90% condition fetches around $115 so while it's a good buy, it's not a "steal".
One other thing, this blog is almost 5 years old and very few people other than a core of volunteers, look at it. You are welcome to post questions or comments on the current blog where literally thousands of people willingly give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience. A new blog is posted Monday through Friday at
If the blog doesn't come up, just click on "blog" on the Pyramydair website at the top of the screen. We look forward to having you join us on a regular basis.
i was looking at this pyramydair and the daisy 22sg at air gun depot witch would last longer and is more reliable because my daisy grizzly is falling apart and need to take out some small game thanks david
I am not sure what your question is.
How exactly do you put the Williams Peep Sight on the 392? I have one and would like to put a Peep Sight on the rifle. Do you need to remove both those screws or only one. Does the Williams Sight improve accuracy much better then stock?
Crosman has a Williams Peep sight made expressly to mount on the 392/397. It has an angle bracket that screws into two screws to the side of the receiver of the 392/397, A standard Williams Peep sight with dove tail mounting will not easily adapt to the 392/397.
Here is what you want IF your rifle was made in the last 5 years:
Hope this helps.
It will be interesting to see how this gun does with the Williams Sight. Only time will tell. I like the way this sight looks. Thank's for the info. Nick
I have a 1957 Benjamin Franklin it has a brass barrel but some how the bolt action got lost and I can't find a new one. If anyone knows where to get one please email me @ email@example.com thanks (Jeremy)
Contact this man:
I think i over pumped my benjamin 392. it is fairly new and will no longer hold air since i over pumped it. Will the replacement seal kit sold on pyramid air fix this or is there anything else i will need? i really want to get this gun fixed and i will send it into a shop if need be. Thanks,
Over-pumping will not cause the seals to leak. But how long has it been since you oiled the pump head? That could be the problem. First try oiling the seals and remember to always store the gun with a pump of air in it.
Here is how to oil the gun:
I would like to know which is a better rifle.crosman 1400 or benjamin 392 and why?
Welcome to the blog. Neither rifle is better. They are of equal power and accuracy but have different powerplants.
The 1400 has a blow-off valve, which means it isn’t supposed to valve lock from over-pumping. But the trigger gets harder to pull with each pump stroke you put in.
The 392 has a knock-open valve whose trigger remains the same always. But it can valve lock if pumped too much and the modern triggers are not much better than the 1400 trigger was.
can the crosman 1400 be modify in anyway.i know Mac1 have a new arm lincage for the crosman 392.would it work on the crosman 1400.have about tuning the valves.Honestly speaking which one you would rather have.?
I would rather have the 392, which I do have.
The 1400 is fine, but its valve isn’t very friendly to the trigger.
Does the crosman 1400 and Benjamin 392 share the same pump system.
Another question.do you know how of video that can show me how to install a psi gauge on a benjaminn 392.
thank you for all you help.
You are asking about a major machining project. There are no videos on how to do this, as it has only been done a few times.
I was just on the GTA site a guy by Name Bob did a disco .25 using the benjamin. its a petty good idea how he did it.is he selling the kit he used to accomplished that,just wondering
I love the fact that some 12 odd years after Tom’s post that the 392 and 397 are still around. I will say that the box stores in California seem a bit shy about even carrying .22 pellets,
Nary a .22 round in the house…”Oh…um, well, the .177 is more popular…and when (if) we do order them(.22) they’re gone the day we put them out”.
Well gee buddy whats that telling you about the potential to increase your bottom line? 🙂