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Action: Single-stroke pneumatic/overlever
Weight: 1.7 lbs
Overall Length: 9.5 inches
Estimated in stock date 11-24-2009
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Outstanding accuracy and velocity. German engineered and designed single-stroke pneumatic. Single-shot pistol produces up to 410 fps. Totally recoilless and no CO2 required. Add a dot sight on the 11mm dovetail.
Target-style trigger provides crisp let-off and minimum take up. Custom shaped, finger groove grip helps improve shooting comfort and aids with accuracy. Polymer frame is durable and lightweight, cast aluminum slide and rifled steel barrel provide long life and repeatable accuracy. Includes manual safety and rear sights are adjustable for windage and elevation.
By kastein from USA on 2009-11-04 16:54:38 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:* Solid, I've dropped it multiple times and it is still accurate and only slightly scuffed, no real damage
* very well contoured grip
* surface finish is good, it doesn't have any checkering or significant reeding to collect dirt. Easy to keep clean and good looking
* price!
* very durable, I've pumped at least 2500 rounds
... Read MoreThings I liked:* Solid, I've dropped it multiple times and it is still accurate and only slightly scuffed, no real damage
* very well contoured grip
* surface finish is good, it doesn't have any checkering or significant reeding to collect dirt. Easy to keep clean and good looking
* price!
* very durable, I've pumped at least 2500 rounds through mine so far, will probably be up past 3000 by next week Things I would have changed:* rear sight adjustment mechanism, as others noted.
* the pivot pin for the pump lever likes to slide out the side slightly after a few hundred shots. Should be retained a little better. What others should know:Great introductory air pistol, I would buy it again in an instant.
By Customer from USA on 2009-08-16 02:47:37 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Powerful, strongly made shell, nice trigger, satisfying overall in feel, hackable to some extent. Things I would have changed:I've already cut a secondary 'backup' O-ring seat in the main compressor piston, as per the anotherairgunblog posting on this gun. Time to go O-ring shopping. That, and a couple of other O-ring
... Read MoreThings I liked:Powerful, strongly made shell, nice trigger, satisfying overall in feel, hackable to some extent. Things I would have changed:I've already cut a secondary 'backup' O-ring seat in the main compressor piston, as per the anotherairgunblog posting on this gun. Time to go O-ring shopping. That, and a couple of other O-ring related changes and general cleaning and proper lubrication should make this quite a reliable pistol. I've filled the area behind the barrel with metal-filled epoxy putty to make a better 'funnel' shape, considerably improving loading ease. Got to be careful there to leave room for the breach block, but that's not too hard. Also polished the ends of the barrel and slightly counter-sunk, at the front for kicks, but at the rear to extend O-ring life and improve the seal. Adjusting the barrel position relative to the breach seal is easy enough, through trial and error, and does wonders for that fit. What others should know:For a tinkerer/hacker this is a lot of fun, as the basic quality is sufficient as a platform to work from and the price low enough that there's little at risk. It's a big pistol, kind of a handful even in my large hands, but workable. Accuracy isn't all that, but usable enough at short range. Loud pop, but hey, there isn't a spring piston version in this price range. I'd suggest reading all the blog postings with pictures about the P-17 on anotherairgunblog - loads to be gleaned there.
By Ryan from USA on 2009-08-07 15:37:43 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:This pistol has a solid feel to it. The pumping action is ok, but make sure you don't don't the rear sight when pumping. The nut inside holding the position of the rear sight sometimes gets out of place. Things I would have changed:Make the trigger set screw adjustable without having to take the gun apart. Use a
... Read MoreThings I liked:This pistol has a solid feel to it. The pumping action is ok, but make sure you don't don't the rear sight when pumping. The nut inside holding the position of the rear sight sometimes gets out of place. Things I would have changed:Make the trigger set screw adjustable without having to take the gun apart. Use a locking nut for the rear sight. What others should know:At first, my gun was flaky on firing. Sometimes it would fire, and sometimes it wouldn't. I fixed this by remaking the trigger set screw. I wouldn't recommend this gun for a person who just wants to shoot without taking some time to smith up this gun. You have to take care of it, and modify it a bit before it is really rugged. Once you do though (such as nylock nut on rear sight, adjust trigger set screw, polish up some rods inside, etc.) this performs like a dream.
By Gregory from USA on 2009-07-10 16:31:51 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:For the price, an excellent gun. After 200 rounds, no seal leak problems, no pin creep problems. Feels like a real gun in terms of balance and grip. Mostly plastic but of good quality. Nice power for a one pump (400fps +). Accuracy quite good. Adjustable rear sight for both dimensions. Still can't believe what you get for under
... Read MoreThings I liked:For the price, an excellent gun. After 200 rounds, no seal leak problems, no pin creep problems. Feels like a real gun in terms of balance and grip. Mostly plastic but of good quality. Nice power for a one pump (400fps +). Accuracy quite good. Adjustable rear sight for both dimensions. Still can't believe what you get for under 40 bucks - waiting for the downside but potentially disposable if something wears out at this price. Nice trigger feel for an inexpensive gun. Things I would have changed:Fake hammer latch looks like it will be the first thing to wear out. Smaller front sight width would be nice for target. (No daylight on either side of front post in sight picture.) What others should know:Hard to pump. Average kid won't be able to do it. Be careful of sharp edges of sight when doing so to avoid cuts or pinches. Takes almost 30 lbs of pressure to do the single pump. A little tricky for loading the pellet if you have big fingers. Medium quiet.
By Michael from USA on 2009-01-18 22:43:17 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked: Solid feel, weight, trigger and design of the gun. Things I would have changed: The people that put the gun together. What others should know: These guns are well worth the money if you can work on them a little bit. The first thing I did was put some Teflon tape on the screw which holds the sight in place
... Read MoreThings I liked: Solid feel, weight, trigger and design of the gun. Things I would have changed: The people that put the gun together. What others should know: These guns are well worth the money if you can work on them a little bit. The first thing I did was put some Teflon tape on the screw which holds the sight in place to keep it from creeping. Also I took the O-ring out where the barrel meets the air chamber and made a gasket out of typing paper the same size as the O-ring. Then I put it in place then I put the O-ring back in. Also the barrel can be loosened up and slid forward to help tighten up the O-ring. The pins in the gun have a problem of wanting to come out so I have put some set screws where there are holes all ready drilled out. Be careful if you do this the set screws have to be tiny. On the air chamber it self there is a set screw on the end of piston shaft. Before you pull the piston mark it so it goes in the same way it came out. Loosen the set screw and slide the pin out now the piston is ready to come out. Once the piston is out clean it up and take the O-ring off and clean out the grove. Next clean out the shaft. Once everything is cleaned out I take Valvoline sae 30 moter oil dip my in it and oil the shaft, it takes very little oil to do this, Then with the piston I will lube the grove and put the O-ring back on giving it a twist, then lightly lube the piston and slide it back in the same way it came out. Now you are in business. It is easy to pull the piston to clean so I will do this every 1500 pellets. A good hardware store sells the O-rings. I hope this helps some of you out Since I have done these things I have shot several thousand pellets through the gun with out any problem. The gun will blow your mind when you see how accurate it is. Go to the blog on the P 3 to get more info.
By Norman from USA on 2008-11-21 11:15:31 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Look, feel, trigger, accuracy, price. Things I would have changed:The o ring at the tip of the valve buried deep inside. This was the source of the leaks in both of my guns. What others should know:If you can work on things, these are a great bargain. If not, avoid the hassles. Both of mine leaked within
... Read MoreThings I liked:Look, feel, trigger, accuracy, price. Things I would have changed:The o ring at the tip of the valve buried deep inside. This was the source of the leaks in both of my guns. What others should know:If you can work on things, these are a great bargain. If not, avoid the hassles. Both of mine leaked within a couple of hundred rounds. I replaced the valve o ring with a no. 006 and the pump o ring with a 116 and both guns have been happy since.
Trigger problems seem to be caused by the springs inside the grip together with burrs on parts in there that can actually cut through the springs.
Again, if you don't like working on mechanical stuff, avoid this gun!!
By Jeffrey from USA on 2008-11-16 20:33:40 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:This gun flat out feels good in my hand. I like the heft and solid feel of the gun. Works great with a red dot scope (don't buy the Beeman red dot package deal, that scope is horrible, I replaced it day 1) Things I would have changed:I would like to Beeman, or whoever actually owns the Beeman name these days, to take
... Read MoreThings I liked:This gun flat out feels good in my hand. I like the heft and solid feel of the gun. Works great with a red dot scope (don't buy the Beeman red dot package deal, that scope is horrible, I replaced it day 1) Things I would have changed:I would like to Beeman, or whoever actually owns the Beeman name these days, to take a little interest in quality control. I bought 2 of these 3 weeks ago. 1 is on the way back for a MAJOR air leak and intermittent trigger problem (like not firing the gun properly)! The other was supposed to be my fathers but I started shooting it 2 days ago to make sure it was okay.... Guess what..... Major air leak after only ~ 150 shots. What others should know:I like this gun. I'm thinking of keeping the 2nd one and learning to work on it myself. I can live with a $50 loss but I SHOULDN"T HAVE TOO. If you but this gun and have ANY issues - make sure your retailer or the manufacturer know about it. It's up the the consumer to make sure that folks know we want quality products. I've been shooting a crappy CO2 pistols for 15 years. I need to shoot at 6 inch targets instead of half inchers, but the gun still WORKS.
By Vincent from USA on 2008-10-12 20:44:46 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Accuracy, nice trigger, easy to shoot, good power for a pistol (400fps with 7.9gr Crosman Premiers). Things I would have changed:Do something to lock the pins in place, some of them tend to start working their way out. What others should know:I have the Marksman 2004, which is what the gun was called before
... Read MoreThings I liked:Accuracy, nice trigger, easy to shoot, good power for a pistol (400fps with 7.9gr Crosman Premiers). Things I would have changed:Do something to lock the pins in place, some of them tend to start working their way out. What others should know:I have the Marksman 2004, which is what the gun was called before it was rebadged as the Beeman P17. It is a bit hard to cock and loading a pellet can be a bit tricky, but the gun shoots so well for under $50 that I cannot give it anything less than top marks.
By Andrew from USA on 2008-07-17 16:07:22 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Fantastic accuracy. Put the airgun in a vice and sighted in the red dot. 1 inch grouping at 50 yards. Lightweight and very comfortable to hold. Ambidextrous grip is quite handy when shooting with others.
FAST reload time. No need for multiple pumps makes it quite a pleasure to shoot. Things I would have changed:A
... Read MoreThings I liked:Fantastic accuracy. Put the airgun in a vice and sighted in the red dot. 1 inch grouping at 50 yards. Lightweight and very comfortable to hold. Ambidextrous grip is quite handy when shooting with others.
FAST reload time. No need for multiple pumps makes it quite a pleasure to shoot. Things I would have changed:A little bulky and look out when cocking it. You could get pinched. A bit tricky to load the pellets, but it becomes very easy once your used to it.
I do not like the auto safety. I find it to be more of a nuisance than a help, but I have never had a misfire so that says something.
Also, there were tiny burrs on the plastic, but nothing a minute or two with a razor blade couldn't fix. What others should know:Crossman pellets are not that great for this gun. I find that my grouping expands three to four times when I use them. RWS pellets are preferred. They slide in easy and are very accurate. Wadcutters are kind of a hassle to load, so pointed pellets are better for this gun.
Overall I would say this is one of the best air cheap air pistols I have seen. A real joy to shoot.
By Customer from USA on 2008-06-04 12:01:39 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Light weight and balance. Good trigger. Direct, into chamber, loading. Solid feel. Reasonable accuracy most of the time. See "Things I would change." Things I would have changed:1. Air charge is somewhat inconsistent, leading to poor accuracy in some shots.
2. Cocking effort is heavy. What others should know:1
... Read MoreThings I liked:Light weight and balance. Good trigger. Direct, into chamber, loading. Solid feel. Reasonable accuracy most of the time. See "Things I would change." Things I would have changed:1. Air charge is somewhat inconsistent, leading to poor accuracy in some shots.
2. Cocking effort is heavy. What others should know:1. This came with the Beeman label instead of Marksman. Same gun.
2. Maintenance information - especially in regard to lubrication - was inadequate.
By Clint from USA on 2008-01-29 03:59:05 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Accurate!!!! Good trigger for a cheap pistol.
Things I would have changed:Finish work. Needs beburred. Mine had burs that caused the seal to leaks. After replacement O-Ring hold air great. What others should know:Why can't other cheap air guns be this accurate?
By mkelley from USA on 2008-01-06 10:42:34 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:This is a really nice pistol. It is easy to shoot. The sights are good. Cocking takes a bit of getting used to, becomes automatic after a while. Trigger is great., really easy to get a smooth shot off. Grip is very comfortable. Things I would have changed:Quite a few pointy edges on the top, you must be careful not
... Read MoreThings I liked:This is a really nice pistol. It is easy to shoot. The sights are good. Cocking takes a bit of getting used to, becomes automatic after a while. Trigger is great., really easy to get a smooth shot off. Grip is very comfortable. Things I would have changed:Quite a few pointy edges on the top, you must be careful not to gouge your self when cocking. A bit much plastic. Hard to load. Domed pellets go in easier than wad cutters.
What others should know:I had to really work the sights to get them lined up. But when I got it they were quite accurate.
For the money this is really worth it. Lots of power. No Co2 and great physical exercise cocking.
By Ralph from USA on 2007-11-12 19:57:08 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Hefty
1" accuracy @ 35 yards with RWS .177 Hobby pellets
No flaws
good quality plastic Things I would have changed:Auto safety is annoying
cannot take gun appart to oil, peices are riveted and sealed together
The sights could be more precise What others should know:Cross-pins wiggle free. The trigger
... Read MoreThings I liked:Hefty
1" accuracy @ 35 yards with RWS .177 Hobby pellets
No flaws
good quality plastic Things I would have changed:Auto safety is annoying
cannot take gun appart to oil, peices are riveted and sealed together
The sights could be more precise What others should know:Cross-pins wiggle free. The trigger is adjustable, you need a smal 90 degree allen wrench to adjust the grub screw on the bottom of the trigger.
My slide is plastic.
By matt from USA on 2007-10-26 16:03:54 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Inexpensive: Having never owned a gun or airgun before, this was a cheap way to find out if I like the sport. Consistent: Using gamo pellets, after 500 shots, I had no misfires. Accurate: At least more than I am (which honestly isn't saying much). Things I would have changed:Loading is not easy, but I generally found
... Read MoreThings I liked:Inexpensive: Having never owned a gun or airgun before, this was a cheap way to find out if I like the sport. Consistent: Using gamo pellets, after 500 shots, I had no misfires. Accurate: At least more than I am (which honestly isn't saying much). Things I would have changed:Loading is not easy, but I generally found it to be acceptable. What others should know:Don't use Crosman Lead free Silver Eagle pellets. They are too large for the breech and often got stuck resulting in misfires (1 out of 20 shots). No problems with two other pellet brands. I haven't tried other crosman pellets so I don't know if this is a problem for only the Crosman lead free or all Crosman pellets.
By Robert from USA on 2007-10-23 09:17:57 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Very nice pistol for the money. Accurate, powerful, hefty enough to balance nicely. Things I would have changed:Maybe some more metal , especially on the outside of the gun. At least the scope mount rail. What others should know:I think you will be pleasantly amazed with this gun for under 50 bucks. I am
... Read MoreThings I liked:Very nice pistol for the money. Accurate, powerful, hefty enough to balance nicely. Things I would have changed:Maybe some more metal , especially on the outside of the gun. At least the scope mount rail. What others should know:I think you will be pleasantly amazed with this gun for under 50 bucks. I am pretty new to adult airgunning but I can tell the difference between quality and junk and this is definitely not junk. Come on people, its only 50 bucks!
By Casey from USA on 2007-09-25 07:44:03 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:This is a fine pistol for target shooting or just plinking. With a little practice, a good shot can get accuracy equal to a rifle. I use open sights, and can hit targets the size of a half dollar at 100 ft. It does has an 11 mm scope rail if you want optics, so it's customizable. It's a hefty gun, but just so much to aid in stabilizing
... Read MoreThings I liked:This is a fine pistol for target shooting or just plinking. With a little practice, a good shot can get accuracy equal to a rifle. I use open sights, and can hit targets the size of a half dollar at 100 ft. It does has an 11 mm scope rail if you want optics, so it's customizable. It's a hefty gun, but just so much to aid in stabilizing the shot. I also like the Walther barrel, it has deep rifling, and I am confident that I will not wear it out in my lifetime. I also like the auto reset safety. Every time you cock and load the gun, it resets itself. Very handy as it does come with an adjustable trigger, which can be set VERY crisp and light. No accidental shots with this gun. The overall fit and finish of this pistol is very good. This gun is a high quality, well thought out single pump pistol. If you are looking for one of those rare cases where you get more than you pay for, or expect, this is it. This is an outstanding value, extremely accurate, and very well made. I recomend you buy this gun, I promise you won't regret it. Things I would have changed:NOTHING What others should know:If you are worried about screws backing out, when you get this gun back the screws almost all the way out and put a drop of Lok-Tite on them and tighten them back down. I would suggest doing this one screw at a time as to avoid misaligning anything.
It is easier to load hollow point or pointed pellets than wadcutters. My gun likes Crosman Premier hollow points. After I had the gun a while, I found I was able to load Daisy Precision Max Flat nosed pretty easily. They go faster due to being lighter than the Crosman ammo.
Also I put a drop of white paint on the backside of the front blade sight, to help in getting the target lined up faster, it's good too, in low light.
By gary from USA on 2007-09-17 10:45:18 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:Amazingly inexpensive for a gun of such nice quality and feel. It features autosafety, good triggering, and no recoil. Muzzle velocity is good, especially for a single pumper. It easily propelled 7.71gr wadcutters across my backyard target range distance of 60 feet with "coffee can" accuracy. The gun also has good weight and
... Read MoreThings I liked:Amazingly inexpensive for a gun of such nice quality and feel. It features autosafety, good triggering, and no recoil. Muzzle velocity is good, especially for a single pumper. It easily propelled 7.71gr wadcutters across my backyard target range distance of 60 feet with "coffee can" accuracy. The gun also has good weight and balance and feels comfortable in hand. Things I would have changed:A countersink or polishing in the breech might allow easier pellet insertion. Some pellets such as Gamo Master Points would catch on the edge of the breech and require additional wiggling to get them chambered. Also, the gun is single pump, but whadda pump! That last few inches requires considerable force to lock down the cocker. What others should know:Keep an eye on cross pins that will work themselves out, such as the one for the lockdown on the cocker. I have 2 "springer" rifles and the pins do the same thing. I don't know why the manufacturers don't recognize and fix this shortcoming? Stick to lighter pellets for this gun and you will get excellent close range penetration. I'd like to try some of the new 5.xx grain alloy pellets, but have not yet done so.
By Customer from USA on 2007-08-21 14:55:04 - See all my reviewsAdd comment to this review
Things I liked:This gun is fun and accurate. Things I would have changed:It is hard to load the pellet into the firing position What others should know:For the price a fun and easy gun to sight in and shoot.