Air Venturi Avenger Bullpup.
This is the second Part of the guest report on reader Ian McKee’s (45 Bravo), Air Venturi Avenger Bullpup in .177 caliber.
As you know, I am doing a report on a .25-caliber Bullpup, so Ian is looking at the other end of the spectrum
If you’d like to write a guest post for this blog, please email me at blogger@pyramydair.com.
Take it away, Ian.
Avenger Bullpup accuracy test
by Ian McKee
This report covers:
- The test
- Power or accuracy?
- Air Arms 8.4-grain dome
- Moving on out
- Where does that leave us?
- Summary
Today we will look at the accuracy of the Air Venturi Avenger Bullpup in .177 caliber at both 25 and 50 yards. A lot of people name their guns. The name that seems to be floating around for all of the Avengers seems to be AVA, a logical nickname.
The test
All groups were shot from a table with a bipod for support. The day started off with a light breeze, but the wind picked up as the day went on. I used my 5-25 first focal plane scope set to 25X for the test. I used the same magazine for all of the groups, only loading the first 5 chambers.
The first one or two pellets from a new group would sometimes start off hitting wide, but after 2 or 3 shots, they came back to the target. I guess as the bore got used to the pellet? [Ed: Or perhaps the rotary magazine needs to be examined.]
Power or accuracy?
With the Air Venturi Avengers everyone online and on You Tube seems to be shooting for max power and speed, I on the other hand am looking for the best accuracy at the longest distance I can reliably shoot less than 1 inch.
There are several people in my local area who own Avengers of all three variants of Avengers — the plastic stock, the wood stock and of course this bullpup. We get together to shoot and plink regularly, so we get to see a variety of guns and their tunes, but currently I am the only one in the group shooting a .177 Avenger.
Of the .22 caliber guns I have seen and shot, they seem to do their best at about 860 f.p.s. to about 880 f.p.s. with JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy 18.13 pellets, so I chose that velocity as a starting point for today’s test.
The pellets tested weighed from 7.9-grains to 10.5-grains with the H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme pellets in the middle of the weight range at 9.57-grains. So I tuned the rifle to shoot those at 860 f.p.s.
I tried a lot of different pellets, many did okay and one or two were horrible. From the crowd I chose three that grouped the best on the test target at 25 yards and I shot them for score at 25 and 50 yards.
I am currently waiting on an order of JSB pellets, both 8.44s and heavier. I am sure they will do well, but I did not have them on hand to test.
I did not adjust the scope during this test, the pellets grouped where they wanted to at 25 yards.
I chopped the test target in two so the bulls would be larger for you to see. I sighted in with Crosman Premier Hollow Point 7.9 grain pellets and then five of them went into 0.23-inches at 25 yards.
Hooray it likes the cheap stuff for backyard plinking!
Five Premier Hollowpoint in 0.23-inches at 25 yards. Not too shabby for the cheap stuff.
Next up was the H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme. Five of them went into 0.35-inches at 25 yards with the last one being an uncalled flier. But four of them went into a 0.21-inch group. The fifth one is just outside the main group.
Five H&N Baracuda Hunter Extremes in 0.35-inches at 25 yards. An uncalled flier stepped out of a one-hole group at 25 yards.
Air Arms 8.4-grain dome
The third pellet is the Air Arms Diabolo Field dome weighing 8.44-grains. Four pellets went into a 0.20-inch one-hole group with shot number five opening it up to 0.30-inches. (Note to self: check the number 5 chamber in the magazine for burrs or deformities.)
A nice rounded 4-shot group, then shot number 5 wanted to be different.
According to the app Chairgun (it is no longer supported, but it still works) my zero should be the same at 25 yards and 49 yards (call it 50). I moved the targets out to 50 yards, and took 2 sighters for each pellet to let the barrel settle into the pellet before shooting the 50 yard score target. I don’t know for sure if this is necessary, but I have noticed sometimes it takes a few shots for some guns to settle to a new pellet.
By this time the wind had started to pick up, so I tried to shoot when it was calm. The Crosman Hollowpoints put 5 shots into 0.58-inches at 50 yards, two in one hole, and three in a nice tight group.
I think the wind got the best of me, but 0.58-inches is still not bad for five inexpensive pellets at 50 yards.
The H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme pellets put five shots into a 0.35-inch group, all of them touching. It is not one jagged hole like we would like, but for a .177 at 50 yards in the wind I will take it.
For a .177 at 50 yards, that’s nothing to complain about.
The last pellet was the Air Arms Diabolo Field pellet. I was not quite lined up for the first shot when it went off so it went wide to the left, but the next four went into 0.35-inches at 50 yards, with the first shot opening the group up to 0.59-inches.
The Avenger Bullpup put five Air Arms Diabolo Field pellets into a 0.59-inch group at 50 yards.
On paper, the Avenger .177 is a winner, it’s right there with the other calibers in accuracy, and still getting well over 100 shots per fill.
Moving on out
Now we get to the fun part, shooting steel at longer ranges.
The wind was up, so it made things challenging, the pellet drops about five inches at 75 yards, shooting the Crosman Squirrel field target that Pyramyd AIR sells, I could reliably hit the 1.5 inch kill zone at 75 yards if I did my part with judging the wind, I could hit the reset paddle with enough energy to reset the target at 75 yards.
Moving out to 100 yards, according to Chairgun the pellet is dropping over 16 inches, I could ring the steel target 10 out of 10 times, occasionally I would connect with the kill zone and trip the target, but at 100 yards, the .177 lacked the power to reset it.
Where does that leave us?
The Air Venturi Avenger Bullpup .177 is very accurate (I still have not had a chance to shoot JSBs through it yet) and it has a light trigger. It has a high shot count. I have not tried high power and heavy pellets or slugs yet, and a lot of .177 shooters may not.
The gun is adjustable for power, but I could not get down into the 500 f.p.s. range that some shooters would like for indoor shooting and backyard plinking.
It does have a baffle system in the shroud, and it does work at reducing the sound somewhat, but there are other alternatives to quiet the rifle further.
A friend and I collaborated and came up with a pair of 3D printed moderators that screw into the shroud, both units center the barrel with the moderator and shroud to reduce pellet clipping. The longer one extends out of the shroud about 2 inches (50mm), the shorter one replaces the factory end cap exactly. It is not quite as quiet as the longer one, but it does tame the bark much better than the factory setup.
For size comparison, the 3D printed moderators are on on top, and the DonnyFL Avenger adapter with the DonnyFL Tanto are at the bottom.
Summary
To sum it all up, if bullpups are your thing, get this one. It is accurate, handles well, and will compete against guns costing several times as much.
PS. A few readers have said the cocking lever in the rear is a deal breaker. They should have moved it forward. Many bullpups including FX and Daystate have their cocking levers in the same location and they cost a lot more. There is even a video online comparing the Avenger bullpup against a Daystate Pulsar, feature for feature, the results may surprise you.
My next report will be about a kit that moves the cocking lever forward, and allows you to cock it from the left side as well. The gun has only been out in the wild for about 2 months, and owners are already coming up with a lot of modifications and upgrades to the entire Avenger line.
Stay safe and happy shooting!
Ian
Decent results. Lately I’ve been all about FTT. I got tins in all head sizes for 177 and 22…and one of them outshoots anything else I’ve tried. Not to sound like a commercial. They have beat all my JSB, AA, CP boxed.
My first air rifle was the Gamo CFX. It absolutely loved the FTT in 4.51mm head. Ten shots at twenty-five yards would hide under a dime. The other FTT sizes made quarter size groups.
That air rifle and I had a love/hate relationship because golly gee whiz was it hold sensitive. It had the hollow plastic stock. If it had the wood stock, it may have been less hold sensitive and still be here at RRHFWA. Ah well, it is someone else’s headache now.
The FTT will work great in some airguns and are terrible in others. I have a couple of tins of them myself. I try them in all of the gals that show up here.
I will have to order some and give them a try. Thanks for the tip.
I am always searching for the best pellets.
Ian
Looks like this gun and you as shooter, are easily capable of hunting accuracy to at least 50 yards. Darn good for a .177!
Ian,
Great guest blog, nicely done. Thanks for covering a less popular version of this gun.
A couple years ago I bought a tin of each head size of the FTTs in .22 caliber. I was disappointed when I sorted them with a Pelletgage and found that most of the pellets from all three tins actually measured out as the middle head size, which I think is 5.54mm. Now I just keep a tin of those and don’t worry about the other sizes. I don’t know if I got bad tins or ones that were mislabeled, but it soured me on the whole idea that I could buy three tightly regulated head sizes. Since Field Target shooters seem to mostly use .177, the controls may be better in that caliber. I haven’t wasted my time or money doing the same research in .177 caliber, so I couldn’t say.
Half
Here is a link to a video of the Quick Shot kit I mentioned.
Ian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_6vo5DAYdI
Thanks for the link.
Thanks Ian! A lot of the gals around here are .177. I like to hear of others with that caliber. They do not have the mass for long range, but for in the woods small game hunting and backyard plinking, it is the caliber.
My goodness! That is a BIG air rifle! When I think of bullpup, I think of something a little bit less substantial. If I was to go the ‘pup route, I would want something a whole lot smaller. Just me.
It is tall from grip to scope for a bullpup. But the rifle has the barrel, and 2 pressure tubes all stacked vertically within the stock.
Other designs that use a single pressure tube are more slim so to speak.
But it does handle well.
I am experimenting with doing away with the factory scope mounts and going to a cantilever rail that is about an inch lower than the original one.
Ian
Ian, I have a .22 Avenger, plastic stock. It is setup for about 850 fps with 18.1 JSB pellets, and is sub MOA at 30 yds. I am very pleased, overall. I tried shooting it in an “extreme field target” match at Ron Robinson’s (targets out to 100 yds) and it did not do well. Some of that is likely my lack of scope setting and ranging, but I tend to think the accuracy is dropping when the range gets to 60-70 yds. My most accurate rifle is a 1st gen Marauder in .177 (with Lothar Walther barrel), setup for about 900 fps with 10.3 grain JSB. It is sub MOA at 30-40 yds, but groups get pretty big at 50 or so. It’s a matter of ballistics, I fear, in both cases. Your .177 AVA is doing sub-MOA at 30 yds (excellent), but seems to open up at range, do you agree?
I agree it is opening up at longer ranges, but I haven’t found “the pellet “ yet for this rifle, and it was windy.
I haven’t shot the .177 at longer ranges indoors yet.
I have a .22 wooden stock avenger and a .22 bull pup avenger(I gout it used really cheap).
With the 18.13 JSB, several of us are getting sub moa at 100 yards indoors with them. Including a couple of plastic stocked avengers.
But because of the 3 piece stock of the plastic rifle it seems to be sensitive to how much pressure you put on the front end.
All of the avengers seem to shoot very well at longer ranges you just may not have found the ideal tune yet.
Ian.
Ian, I believe there is a point with long distance pellet shooting, ballistics becomes the issue. So, you may be good to a point, then need to find a way to shoot a pellet that can hold on further. I have a spreadsheet based on something posted by JSB. Take a look at this link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14eGc1CfS4Atdo5HSDnmPQ66_omruX7rEqshMVmfNxuU/edit?usp=sharing
Thank you for that sheet,
I will use it to update my pellet file in both Chairgun, and my chronograph software.
Ian.
JerryC,
Do you perchance also have the test airgun, Chronograph, and environmental info when the data for the spreadsheet was collected?
shootski
45Bravo,
Really great report on a gun I will probably never own so in some ways even more enjoyable. Nice shooting too!
I took the SIG ASP20 .177 along as my fallback shooter to the indoor 100 meter range. I finished my work with the PCP and still had some time so i got out the ASP for some informal testing. I was the only shooter on the line so I asked the RSO if he could shut down the ventilation for a few 10 shot groups.
Got my wish!
The groups at all ranges shot were at least 1/4 MOA smaller than with the ventilation system on. Not very scientific for sure but a real eyeopener on how a little air movement changes accuracy.
shootski
I envy you, I admit I am not much of a springer guy, I can shoot them, but they are just not my first choice.
And I appreciate the talent it takes to shoot one well.
I shot the Sig ASP 20 at the Texas airgun show, and loved it, I was sorry to hear it had been discontinued.
I should have gotten one when I had the chance.
And yes, it doesn’t take much of a breeze to push a 7.9gr pellet off target..
Ian.
Ian,
I’m no springer shooter by anyone’s Parameters! I have a great deal to learn and some folks claim I’m cheating by shooting a gas spring…LOL!
shootski
Shootski
Very curious to know what size groups the ASP20 in .177 is capable of at 100 yards indoors. No place here to shoot indoors. I took my ASP20 to a rifle range protected somewhat from wind by thick forest but not on that day.
Deck
Decksniper,
In my amateur springer shooter hands i violate 2 MOA at 100 meters with abandon! With only one ten shot group with ventilation OFF at 100 i managed a 1.75 MOA (actual not shooter MOA) but only with one pellet JSB EXACT HEAVY which I don’t think of as The Pellet at any range in .177.
I think i remember the groups beyond 50 being vertically challenged regardless of ventilation air movement. That makes some sense to me since the velocity drops very fast once beyond 40 regardless of .177 pellet choice. At 100 it might help to tilt or lay the target down….
shootski
Shootski
I wouldn’t say your cheating using a gas spring. I say that’s a disadvantage if anything.
I shot a bunch of different spring guns and a couple hand full of NP guns. The NP guns have almost always had a worse shot cycle than the springers I have had.
Gunfun1,
Being the Springer Novice that I am all I can go by is what others say about the SS ASP20’s shot cycle. Most reports agree with B.B.’s repete observation, e.g. “The ASP20 shoots so smoothly that I have to call it the modern FWB 124. Only this rifle produces almost twice the power of a 124 with less than 50 percent more cocking effort.” I have never shot a FWB 124 but every time someone mentions 124 the Ooohs & Aaahs are deafening….
My .177 has the wooden stock and my .22 has the synthetic; i believe the .22 shot cycle is a tiny bit smoother. I think, in my amateur opinion, it is the powerplant/.22 pellet combination and NOT the furniture that causes the smoother feel.
shootski
Shootski
I couldn’t tell you. I have never owned a ASP 20.
But I can tell you I try to stay away from nitro piston air guns.
Excellent report and excellent shooting Ian!
Fifty yards in breezy conditions is challenging for an 8 grain pellet! I would be pleased with those groups 🙂
With preferred pellets being hard to get I was happy to get a dozen tins of the .22 Crosman HP pellets. I find them to be fine for casual shooting at typical distances but generally show more variation (weight and group size) than JSB and H&N in my airguns.
Looking forward to your next report!
Hank
I love that it likes the crosmans out to plinking ranges, after I shot the groups I found them on clearance at a local big box store for 5.59 a tin, I bought 10 tins.
That will hold me for a while.
Ian
Very nice Ian, It seems like you are having some fun with the Avenger. I like the monocores, curious about the software too. Somebody makes a bottle kit in S.A. for the Avenger series, but you already get 100 plus shots. I know, 860- 880 is perfect, but the Avenger lets you play with the heavy stuff too.
50 yds with an 8 grn pellet, man thats hard to argue with.
Best, Rob
With a 25-50 yard zero, what is the holdover at 100 yards?
Serious drop….
-Y
The Chairgun app was in the ballpark, here is the screenshot.
But a little over 16 inches..
Ian
Bravo
Good ole chair gun. It definitely is a fun program to play around with.
But to only estimate with.
If you input the correct parameters, it will at least get you in the ballpark of where it SHOULD be hitting according to the math…
But there is no substitute for actual lead down range….
It’s great for those of us that don’t like math.
It was close, it said 16 inches, but was actually more like 17-18 inches of drop at 100, at least I was ringing the steel.
And for a .177 caliber rifle that only cost $400 I will stand there and applaud all day.
Ian
Bravo
Yep glad your happy.
Jut to let you know. I believe. 😉
How big was the bell.
And yes I have shot .177 guns at 100 yards with above average results that I thought wasn’t going to happen.
I remember telling some certain readers throughout time don’t think you can’t shoot at longer distances because I know better. Try and then see what happens when you try shooting in at closer distances like 50 yards.
Be prepared to be surprised. 🙂
Yogi
Right. How many mil dots would that be at 10 magnification?
Gunfun1,
Trick question! FFP Scope.
I would start at 5.5 dots holdover regardless of power with Ian’s ZERO.. THEN adjust once we see the POI.
shootski
Shootski
Sub 2 MOA at 100 yards with a break barrel .177 pellet rifle is dad gum good. Not many powder burning military rifles do better.
Tilting targets makes sense, something I have not considered. I rarely go to a range now and take firearms when I do. Next time I go I’ll take the ASP20 along and hope wind is reasonable.
Thanks!
Deck
Decksniper,
I must have been lucky with the weapons I was issued or maybe it was the good treatment of my Armourers that got me mostly good shooters. In the 80s CINCEUR decided that we (HQ Types) would all be required to be/requal on Small Arms M1911 and M16. We all went to the range in Böblingen, Germany to do the shooting everyone else was in BDU other than me in my USN Wash Khakis. After my time on the line with my WW2 vintage M1911 the RO asked if I had been on the Navy Shooting Team. I told him I was too busy swimming but that I did love shooting with the Marines. The next week we had the M16s and the Armory handed me an obviously “selected” rifle. The Armorer do know what is in the Armory! I always treated the Sailors in the Paraloft and the Armory like my life might depend on their work!
shootski
Shootski
I wanted to know with his gun and his scope how many mildots would be needed at 10 power.
Gunfun1,
Should have said: The answer is 42! Didn’t understand the question. ;^)
shootski
The question about how big was the bell.
It was the crosman squirrel.
/product/crosman-squirrel-resetting-target?a=5950
Bravo
So was that actual knocking the paddle down and needed reset or just hitting the squirrel target in general.
At 100 yards, all I could do was ring the steel, if it was paddle or squirrel, I didn’t care, I was happy to be hitting something at that distance with a .177, and if by chance I happened to hit a paddle, it didn’t have the power left to barely wiggle the reset paddle, Much less reset it.
And yes I can provide a witness that was there.
Bravo
Oh I believe you. I have hit tin cans out at 100 yards with my modded FWB 300. It holds under a half inch group at 50 yards.
And I was wondering how much energy your gun had left at 100 yards.
I have actually had good results with Crosman Premier hollow points in .177 caliber and .22 caliber in heavy and light pellets for some time now in multiple guns.
Don’t know why but not as good of results with the dome (not hollow point) pellets.
The CPHP pellets actually shoot well out of many guns, some better than others, and at limited ranges.
The domes when you could get the boxed ones were better, they all came from the same die. So that helped with consistency.
I am still on the fence about the domes in the tin.
Ian.
Bravo
I done all that boxed die stuff.
I found that to be a little hokey after a while. I got much more consistent results with other brands than the premiers. I get now out of the tins pretty well the same result as the box die stamped pellets.
I believe the biggest result was the sorting that was done back then.
Then I found other brand pellets like the JSB pellets were just as good or better right out of the tin compared to the premier box and die stamped pellets.
Just what I experienced. I’m sure there is other people that will have different opinions too. Just say’n what I have exsperianced.
With JSB pellets currently running $19.99 for 500. I save them for the 75 yards plus targets.
I love the CPHP pellets for less than $6 for 500.
Bravo
I do the same. Especially with my semi auto Marauder rifle. I use the premier hollow points for plinking and target shooting out to 50 yards. I use the JSB 15.89 and AA 16.0 grain pellets for more serious work out to 100 yards.
GF1,
When shooting the CPHP or CPRN at long range, do you find that you get 7 or 8 in a tight group and then there will almost always be 2 or 3 that double the group size? It drives me crazy and I’ve come to believe that it’s voids in the inside of the pellets or some such, because I can’t sort by weight or head size or condition of the skirt and get any better consistency for more than a group or two. It feels like I need the world’s smallest spin balancer to test for weight distribution. LOL And I’m with you on the boxed vs tinned pellets. They seem to be the same to me.
Half
Half
Half
I do get the same fliers with the premier hollow points. Mostly always one or two fliers and occasionally 3 fliers out of a 10 shot group at 50 yards and out. I haven’t sorted in years so I’m sure there has to be some constancy thing going on with the pellets.
But for plinking the premier hollow points are definitely worth the money and I suppose I could do some sorting and use the more accurate ones all the time and save the others for can plinking. But for how I use the semi-auto Marauder they are fine out of the tin. Plus old Gunfun1 has become kind of lazy as he has got older and rather spend my time shooting than sorting. 🙂
FWIW-My Hatsan 95 Votex in .22, liked the Hollow Points more than the Domed.
-Y
Yogi
Makes me wonder if the hollow point in the front actually helps stabilize the pellet more than the round head premiers.
GF1,
I have tried sorting the Domed and HP pellets and I’ve used head size, weight, and condition of the pellet head and skirt and still get the same fliers. That’s why I think it is inside the lead itself. I get better results from the HPs also. Maybe stamping in on the front of the pellet to make the dimple squashes up the lead and shrinks any bubbles that were in the blank slug they started with. I think I’ve read that swaged bullets are more uniform than cast bullets and that’s probably why. Less chance for air bubbles inside the finished bullet?
Half
Half
Did you sort skirt diameter. The premiers are a little harder pellet. That’s where I found inconsistency mattered with all the premier pellets I shot.
Also depth of the opening in the back of the pellet along with the inside diameter of that cavity.
Sort the inside hole like I mentioned along with the skirt diameter and tell me what you get then shoot some and see what happens.
GF1,
I don’t sort anymore, but when i did, I remember that if the head went through the hole on the gauge, so would the skirt. I never measured the skirt independently though. I figure the air pressure just blows it out to the barrel I.D. anyway. As for depth of the skirt, that was part of the visual inspection that I did along with was the skirt obviously short because of an undersized slug, was it bent or folded or skewed to one side, did it have debris stuck in it. I’ve also rolled them down an incline to see if they swerve left, right or stay on a straight track. Don’t remember ever seeing an obvious problem with the hole/dimple of the hollow point. I have also noticed that the copper coated ones are usually a little more accurate, but not enough to pay the much higher price. I use Crosmans mostly for breaking in guns and plinking. I have a lot of their “Trick” pellets but won’t replace them after they are used up. They never test well in any of my guns.
Half
Half
Why I mentioned the premiers being harder is if there is inconsistency in the skirt that they can’t get blown out the same.
And same have tried different brand trick pellets and they are never as good as the other pellets.
Great article Ian.
“Five Premier Hollowpoint in 0.23-inches at 25 yards. Not too shabby for the cheap stuff.”
Yes, Ian, not too shabby at all; great report; thank you. 🙂
Bravo, you said
“Many bullpups including FX and Daystate have their cocking levers in the same location ”
The wildcat from inception has the cocking handle approximately above the trigger, but the Avenger (at least in the photos you show) is way back by the butt plate. I wouldn’t call that “the same location” by any stretch.
I was referring to the FX. Dream pup, that currently sells for $1300.
/product/fx-dreamline-dream-pup-w-moderator?m=4802
Bravo45,
Ian, no room to reply above:
“…I was happy to be hitting something at that (100) distance with a .177…” With pellets for certain! I have been watching with interest the development of .22 Bullets (slugs) and the performance shooters are getting with optimized airguns. I have owned one .25 caliber PCP air rifle since the early ’90s with a WalterLothar barrel optimized to shoot 45 to 50gn. bullets. I never dreamed I would see so many small bore airguns shooting bullets (slugs) with properly design barrels and powerplants for shooting at 100 and beyond.
shootski
Shotski
Never say never. 😉
Shootski
Won’t let me reply in the proper place. Interesting reading about your range shooting in Germany.
Thanks for sharing.
Deck
Decksniper,
Always enjoyed and was thankful for the opportunity to: burn, drop, and shoot the taxpayers AvGas, JP4/5, ordinance, bullets.
shootski
Figured I would mention it.
Got this coming. Been wanting to try one. I just bought a new Daystate regulated. 25 caliber Renegade mius the stock. Got a good deal for about 2/3rds less than what a new complete gun costs.
And no worries about it not having a stock. I’m going to make a wire butt stock I believe. Or even make one from some 3/8th inch tube stock I have with my tube bender. Or maybe hollow out one of the extra wood or synthetic stocks I have laying around from other guns that I turned into pistol grip guns.
Here is what it looks like.
Gunfun1,
BEST with the project.
Sure would be interesting to know the backstory on why the loss of furniture? Someone so frustrated with .25 that they used the Renegade as a Cricket Bat….
shootski
Shootski
I know the story of the stock. It was damaged in shipping beyond repair from Daystate to the supplier. Apparently there was more than one that got damaged from what I was told.
GF1
You’re going to be spending lots of time customizing this one. Hope you will let us know what she can do when you stretch her legs.
Maybe even a post retirement project?
Either way, have fun.
Deck
Deck
It won’t be as hard as you think.
They already shipped me one but they shipped the wrong one in the wrong caliber. So they sent me a shipping label to send it back free of charge and shipping the right one out Monday.
But at least I got to hold one in the other caliber to see what it feels like. And honestly I can shootit without the stock which I will probably do till I figure out what I want to do with the butt end of the gun.
I can use the trigger with my finger on the trigger and my thumb behind the trigger gaurd. And I can also hold my fore hand with no problem and shoulder the gun and it stays in place. All I really need to do to the gun is add one of my extra butt pads ihave to the back of the gun and I could shoot it comfortably for the rest of my life.
GF1
Just the anticipation of its arrival and going over many options in deciding what you want it to look like and do is a big part.
Ain’t this airgunning hobby great!
Deck
Deck
I love it. 🙂
BB,
Any chance you’re going to Findlay, OH for the Toys that Shoot Airgun Show? Its just over a month away on Saturday, April 23. I know Pyramyd AIR will have several tables.
https://www.flagcitytoysthatshoot.com/
Derrick,
No, I don’t think so. A bit too far to
BB
I’m planning on making the drive. Not sure what I’m looking for, but I always find it!
Great alternative to my current armory since I am moving from 75 acres to 3.