SubMOA card.
This report covers:
- The actual shooting challenges
- Minute of angle
- Three divisions reward 9 random winners
- SubMOA Pro Division
- SubMOA Elite Division
- SubMOA Legendary Division
- How to enter
- Bottom line?
- Shooting a sub-MOA group
- No canting
- Don’t use Shoot-N-C targets
- Select pellets
- Stay in the optimum pressure range
- The rest
- Summary
Hey kids — here is a chance to win big shopping sprees at Pyramyd AIR with very little investment. And most of you are doing this already!
Today I will talk about Pyramyd Air’s new SubMOA Challenge. There are actually two “challenges.” The online game seems extremely simple to me. I shot the smallest “group” possible several times. And so did a lot of others. Just position the scope crosshairs on the target with your mouse and click the button five times in a row. However, it appears that some folks “shot” while the scope was moving. That’s a no-no.
Ooops! Then I saw the boxes below that had to be checked. They were below the “fold,” which means the bottom of the window I was looking at on my computer screen. After checking them it took me three attempts to shoot the smallest group possible. Play fair. Check those boxes!
On the other hand, one of the boxes asks how much coffee I have had. Coffee doesn’t affect me like it does some people. I can drink 20 ounces and fall asleep. Only when I have had 60 ounces or more do I get jittery.
The actual shooting challenges
The rules for the challenge are all over the place. I found it difficult to find them, so I have linked to them for you. Some of the rules for the actual shooting challenges are on the “Submit Your Entry” page. Other rules are found on the “Order Your Free MOA Tool” page, where the “free” MOA tool is listed as costing $4.99 with shipping of $8.99. Huh?
Then, as you scroll down to the Description below (it’s also “below the fold”), you are informed that this free SubMOA Challenge Card is really free if you use the coupon code SUBMOA at checkout. You still pay the shipping of $8.99, so it’s not actually free, but it does give you a chance to win some big bucks in the shopping sprees that I will explain in a moment. But before that, let’s define the term minute of angle or MOA.
Minute of angle
A minute is an angular measurement that is 1/60 of a degree. There are 360 degrees in a circle, each of which have 60 minutes so there are a total of 21,600 minutes of angle in a circle. At 100 yards a minute of angle is very close to one inch wide, though not exactly (it’s 1.047-inches, to be exact). It’s so close that shooters around the world agree that one MOA equals one inch at 100 yards. Therefore, if the centers of five shots in a 100-yard group are closer than one inch apart, you have a sub one MOA group.
And, since this MOA is an angle, it gets smaller the closer you get. At 75 yards one MOA is 0.75-inches. At 50 yards it’s half an inch and at 25 yards it’s a quarter inch. Now we can look at the official challenge rules.
Three divisions reward 9 random winners
There are three divisions with three winners each. They will be drawn at random from those legitimate entries to that division.
SubMOA Pro Division
To enter this division you need to submit one 5-shot group that is smaller than a minute of angle. This is shot at 25 yards, so the centers of the five shots must be less than 0.25-inches apart. Springers and precharged pneumatics (PCP) can compete but they are not in separate classes. So the edge in this division obviously goes to the PCP. Three winners will be drawn at random from the legitimate entries in this division. Winners receive a $500 shopping spree at Pyramyd AIR.
SubMOA Elite Division
To enter this division you need to submit one 5-shot group whose centers are less than a minute of angle. This challenge is shot at 50 yards, so the centers of the five shots must be less than 0.50-inches apart. Springers and precharged pneumatics (PCP) can compete but once again they are not in separate classes. So the edge is very clearly in favor of the PCP. Everyone who submits a legitimate entry will win a SubMOA patch. Three winners will be drawn at random from the entries in this division. Each of the three winners receives a $500 shopping spree at Pyramyd AIR.
SubMOA Legendary Division
This one is shot at 50 yards with the same rules as above, except to enter this one you need to submit five 5-shot groups that are less than 0.50-inches between centers. All five groups must be sub MOA. Every legitimate entry will win a SubMOA coin. Three random winners will each get a $1,000 Pyramyd AIR shopping spree.
How to enter
For all entries you either need to video yourself shooting the groups, and the video must include a still of the MOA card laying on top of the group — OR you need to submit a photo of each group with the MOA card laying on top. And that photo must show clearly that the centers of all five shots are closer together than the required distance. That’s what the MOA card is for. That holds for each submission you send in. To enter all three contests you need to submit a total of seven targets (one for each of the first two divisions and five for the Legendary division. You can enter all three divisions, but you can’t enter any division more than once.
Your entries need to arrive at Pyramyd AIR no later than September 19th, 2022, and, since no cutoff time was given, that means 12 p.m., Eastern Daylight time. An entry form is found on the Challenge page, and obviously you need to submit one form per entry. They don’t mention whether five entry forms are required for the Legendary Challenge. Maybe they have provided for submitting more than one group per entry, so check that out. If not I would enter five times for that division with a different group each time. I’m not sure whether a group that has been entered in the Elite Division can also be used a second time for the Legendary Division, but I wouldn’t try it.
Bottom line?
If you read the contest rules this challenge is really a drawing that depends on luck. But how many folks will jump through all the hoops to submit an entry and therefore be eligible? There are some pretty big prizes for your nine-dollar investment, and after the challenge the MOA card will still be useful.
Shooting a sub-MOA group
Okay, I could just say, shoot straight, because you guys and gals know how to shoot small groups. And we don’t want to see any of this shooting up close and then photographing your target with the MOA card on top! So, what are some things to remember?
No canting
Canting (tilting the rifle side-to-side in slightly different ways while shooting groups) is the kiss of death for small groups. And, since we only do it a little, all it does is enlarge our groups by a few fractions of an inch. It’s extremely hard to spot. But to shoot sub MOA groups, canting in a no-no. Use a bubble level on the scope to eliminate canting.
Don’t use Shoot-N-C targets
Tyler Patner shows how this is done in a video. He uses a Shoot-N-C target. If you use one the paint that flakes off will make measuring group size impossible. Use a stiff card stock target or, best of all, an official airgun target.
Select pellets
To shoot groups this small you need to shoot pellets with the same head sizes. A Pelletgage is the right tool for that, and if you’re shooting groups this small you no doubt already have one or more. You also want to select your pellet by weight. So select by size and by weight. And it should go without saying that you want no deformed skirts.
Stay in the optimum pressure range
If you shoot a PCP, you probably know the pressure range in which the rifle does best. Make certain you shoot within that range.
If you shoot a springer, and only a few of them will qualify for this challenge, just make sure you do everything called for. That includes balancing the forearm at the right place for the best accuracy.
The rest
This is not the time to use a bipod, unless you are certain it gives your rifle the best rest. Going along with the balance point mentioned above, the placement of the rifle on the sandbag is extremely important.
Summary
The times are tight, living costs have risen dramatically this year, but here is a contest that will pay you for shooting your airgun. Guys, I wish you all the best of luck and, no, BB will not be entering.
… and if, similar to me, you live outside the United States of America or are a lousy shot, carry on plinking! 🙂
“…Eligibility:…The Campaign is only open to legal residents of Continental U.S….”
“…carry on plinking! ”
hihihi,
I do live in the Continental US, and, while perhaps not a lousy shot, I’d label myself a mediocre one. Back in my Field Target days, with my HW97, I could have at least done the “SubMOA Pro Division;” but these days, no matter what rifle I had, I don’t think I’m quite up to the game; hence, I’ll sit on the sidelines, cheer all the others on, and join you as I “carry on plinking.” 😉
Nothing wrong with that either; even old Abe Lincoln was a plinker; he plinked right outside on the White House lawn along with none other than the young man who invented the Spencer carbine…pretty cool!
Good plinking to you,
dave
Poor Abe, the SWAT team and helicopter gunships would be on top of him if he did that plinking today, there… 🙁
FawltyManual,
If the SIG ASP Whiskey3 scope fits your airgun I would think a US $300.00 MSRP bought for $130.00 would be a slam dunk. It really was worth the price it was sold at which B.B. discussed in his blog about the ASP 20 as well as in his SIG visit Blog. You need to read those and compare the prices and the value. The big issue is which fits best.
The optics are no contest; my subjective opinion.
shootski
FawltyManual,
Update!
See my unboxing post on my scopes that arrived today; you will see that the choice for you IMO is now a no-brainer on a pocketbook basis if nothing else!
shootski
Shootski
Well,, you talked me into it. I found them on Amazon and bought one. Not sure what I’ll put it on, yet. I haven’t scoped my FWB 300 nor my recently purchased 362. Might be some scope swapping depending on what I like about this one.
Enable much??
Ed
Sadly true! 😉
Thanks thedavemyster.
I didn’t know about Abe Lincoln the plinker. Wonder what he used and whether, like you, he also thought of himself as a mediocre shot? 🙂
hihihi
Plink and have fun. 🙂
Thanks Gunfun1.
Busy weekend for me, supporting the Boss in her riding-around-in-circles hobby (dressage).
A new, to me, plinking stick arrived today, and so, I look forward to tomorrow afternoon, my next opportunity to play with my toys…. 🙂
hihihi
Enjoy your shooting and let us know how that stick does for you.
Gunfun1, I intend to answer about today’s plinking in four pictures:
this first one shows how it came to be that I got home much later today…
and this picture shows that dusk was really too late/dark to plink, however, when one has a ‘new’ toy, and with the help of a torch lighting up the 25 metre target… 🙂
and here is the result of my very first plinking with this new to me airgun, not to show any skill (because when I shoot there isn’t) but to show that I did in fact ‘play’… 🙂
and here is my ‘new’ plinker: a Feinwerkbau 603,
or, as I now think of it: a Beauty (-ful shooter) and a Beast (-ly looking airgun).
It was Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier)’s review of a very similar model (Fwb 600) that ‘enabled’ me to buy this one, and I’m very happy that I did. 🙂
At least you ended the day having fun. Not bad for shooting in the dark of night by torch light. And at 25 m too!
hihihi
That is a good looking gun.
This contest reminds me of the conversations we had a little while back about submitting some of our targets on the blog once a week or month and see what kind of groups people could get with thier guns and pellets and at different distances.
I like it. And I did the online mouse shots with my cell phone. I believe I did .640″ then a .310″ at 100 yards.
I have shot real world air gun shots under one inch with a few different. 25 caliber air guns. I guess saying what gun’s and pellets doesn’t mean anything now unless I enter the contest. So I won’t say what guns or pellets I used to do it with. I need to do it when I enter. And yes that’s cool to even get paid for shooting if we win.
Now this is a interesting blog today.
Gunfun1, I remember that conversation. I don’t have any airguns that will shoot that well without some real luck, but with only five shots, I might pull it off. If I’m lucky enough to put 5 shots in under a minute of angle, perhaps I will be lucky enough to win the drawing….
RG
You never know till you try. 🙂
Well, I guess it is a good thing that I have not found a buyer for my HM1000X yet. I saw this yesterday on their site and have already placed one of these cards in my shopping cart. I guess I had better throw in some targets.
For those of you who do not have a bubble level on your airgun, this is a trick I use. Hang a string in front of your target, a little off to the side of course, with a weight on the end of it. Unless the wind is blowing, it will hang vertical. This makes a superb reference for your reticle to help eliminate cant.
Let us see what we can do.
Good luck everyone.
Off topic, I remember seeing a reader’s picture of a Williams peep sight with a tube extension. I have a vintage Daisy 230 (Milbro 23 / Diana 23) with a peep sight rail that has a little wider flange at the rear end of the rail. I tried a couple of peep sights and they are too high for the blade front sight. I am hoping that the Williams peep might be low enough, but I think it might be too far forward to be effective. So I have been searching the blog with the Google Advanced Search (to pick up the comments) but to no avail. Help! Any advice is welcome, especially from the reader with the Williams peep sight and the extension tube. Thanks!
RG,
I do not have the extension on the peep, but Hector makes them.
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/previous/2
I put a Williams peep and the TruGlo front sight on my grandson’s HW30S. It is awesome!
Thanks. For the link. I have a similar setup on my Father-in-Law’s R9, but with the Air Venturi Peep. The main things I worry about with the Williams sight is if it will be low enough to work with the front sight blade and if it will require any modifications to the wood stock of the Daisy 230. Well, we can buy it and see what happens.
RG,
If you go to the Williams site, they have a variety of models. You should be able to find one that works.
Let Deadeye FM, if you think of it, know how that TruGlo works on the HW30S; couldn’t make a go of it with the HW95. FM blames eyes+age+heneverwasamarksmananyway.
That TruGlo on the HW30S works right nice.
FM
I should still have one of those front sights RidgeRunner is talking about unless I let it go with a gun.
I did not like mine. It was too big from what I remember and a 6 o’clock hold was needed to see your target.
Let me see if I still have it. If I do you can have it. I’ll let you know if I do then send if you want it.
And to say pretty much all the front inserts that have come with my HW guns have worked absolutely fine.
Had exactly the same problem with mine, GF1, which is why I removed the TruGlo and went back to the sight that came with the rifle; re-sighting is a work in progress. Had the HW95 nicely “zeroed in” before installing the TruGlo. Thanks for the offer anyway. Maybe someone else could use it. It’s looking good right now for a backyard shoot, so gonna jump on it. 🙂
FM
I think I had it on a gun I sold. I looked for it and I can’t find it.
And yes I know what you mean about sighting in.
BB
“that means 12 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds p.m.”
Unless I am mistaken, midnight is 12 AM.
I hope this isn’t coming across as pedantic. Or maybe I am. Have to work on that.
Ed
pedantic Ed,
Yeah, I sorta knew that, but let it slip through. I will change it. Thanks,
BB
edlee,
We need to get rid of this anti meridiem and post meridiem STUFF!
I wish the whole World would switch to the 24 hour clock Ed!
Midnight is 2400, spoken as: twentyfour hundred. Noon (1200) spoken as: twelve hundred. NO need to say HOURS either! Next we need to change all the rules about Mickey Mouse’s Big hand and Little Hand, LOL!
shootski
Shootski,
Not sure it would change for most people. As we are talking about the witching hour,, be it 12 or 2400, there will be those who will want to know if either are the start of the day or the end of it. Can it be both?
Either way,, BB’s claim of it still being eligible at 59 minutes and 59 seconds beyond midnight is questionable given the circumstances.
Ed
Ed,
To add to what I wrote before the Latin Post Meridiem means: after the Sun passes the Zenith at the Meridian where you are located. The Anti Meridiem meant the time that the Sun is at the opposite Meridian from your location and at the Nadir. I owe all this knowledge to the Taxpayers of the USA who paid for this freeloader to learn Celestial Navigation.
Twenty-four hundred (2400) is the final moment of the previous day.
If you use a search engine you will get all kinds of answers and lots of waffling, Most of it wrong or in some instances right for the wrong reasons, Lol!
Better not change over the Crypto Codes until after Midnight! They take effect at the START of the day.
shootski
shootski, there is also another point of view, and that is, differences are worth preserving.
For example, imagine traveling abroad on your holidays, and, discovering, well, nothing, because everything’s the same (these are not my own thoughts, I read about this idea somewhere).
Or, Crosman for example, buys and takes control of all airgun manufacturers. I wonder what that would do for airgun variety?! 🙂
hihihi,
I certainly subscribe to: vive la difference (long live the differences) but not when i’m catching a train, plane, bus, or meeting a woman at a specific time!
shootski
shootski, that’s one cool answer, ie “.. vive la difference..”!
I too, hate to miss any forms of public transport, but to be on time for “..meeting a woman..”, well, that is, to me, on a completely other level of importance.
Any possible misunderstandings on my part might be forgiven, but, nevertheless, would be hugely embarrassing ! 🙂
B.B.,
shootski will now Pick Nits!
On the Pyramyd AIR Sub MOA Card depicted above the outside ring is NOT .1″
It should be 1.0″
I also see that only Calibers: .177, .22, .25, and .30 apparently are the only authorized caliber airguns?
shootski
shootski,
Good eye, young man. Don’t know about the calibers, but yepper on the large ring number.
BB
Shootski
Yep on the .100. And look at the .75 inch ring.
It shows 75′
That means 75 feet to me.
Gunfun1,
Did you shoot the 5 shot 100 yard online challenge yet?
I did it and got a .10? I think it must be the IT department’s understanding of how to write 1 MOA. I did get my 500 Bullseye Bucks for shooting the virtual 1 MOA 5 shot group; wish IT had messed up on that! 5,000 or 50,000 Bullseye Bucks would have been nice for ALL THE EFFORT it took, LOL!
shootski
Shootski
I posted this above.
I like it. And I did the online mouse shots with my cell phone. I believe I did .640″ then a .310″
I could keep the sight centered to the target but when I pushed the shoot button sometimes the shot wouldn’t go off. So I had to resight the gun and keep pushing till the shot went off. I don’t think the online thing was made to use for a cell phone. But was something different and fun.
Shootski
I just did my 3rd try and I did .100 at 100 yards.
As they say the 3rd time is a charm.
But seriously when I hit the fire button this time it responded each time I shot.
Hmm even online equipment needs to work right to get good results.
I’m sure all the gamers out there know that already though. 😉
Gunfun1,
Glad you got your 500 PA BULLSEYE BUCKS!
Hope everyone here else does too!
shootski
Shootski
Right everyone should try the online shots.
Why wouldn’t you.
Shootski
Maybe the only calibers they want to include in the contest?
Gunfun1,
I would have liked to use my .58 caliber…that way the Pyramyd AIR SubMOA Card would have fallen through my 1 MOA Group.
Oh well! Maybe I’ll try with my one and only .22 caliber break barrel at 25. and then use a .177 10Meter PCP, but I will try my .308 DAQ for the 5X5 attempt. We shall see.
This could be fun!
Shootski
Shootski
Some work and time. 🙂
And good luck to you too. 😉
Jimmy Buffet said it’s always 5 o’clock somewhere, but of course that is only true 23 times each day (counting midnight only once per day, tipping my hat to Shootski). So I say: It’s always happy hour, somewhere in the world.
Roamin Greco,
The Earth has been spinning faster recently!
We can hope that when they do the first ever negative Leap Second that they do it when it is 5:00P.M. where we are ;^) We can have a do over of the start of Happy Hour!
Cheers,
shootski
Shootski
So will that be like a double shot if you do a happy hour over again? 🙂
Time.
All I know is it goes by. Then before you know it your time is getting closer to over.
Enjoy your time while you can however you measure it.
Gunfun1,
Triple “DITTO” ;^)
shootski
Shootski
And as they say rime flys when your having fun.
So do I stop having fun so my time doesn’t go by as fast?
Heck no. Fun, fun, fun till you know what.
GF
Now that Daddy took her T-Bird away.
tt
TT
Yep that too.
Hope everything is going good. Haven’t heard from you in a while. Was thinking about you and Chris USA yesterday..
GF
Still here.
Weather not real suitable for much outside fun.
Have to get another oil change soon. Need new tires too before winter.
Mostly living with the air conditioner , drinking beer , and watching whatever I can find on TV.
tt
TT
Glad to hear from you.
Weather has been hot as …. here last month and this month.
Now on top of gas prices being ridiculous now my power company sends me a message that my bill will be going up $130. They tell me when I called them to do this and that to save usage.
The problem is I already been doing that.
And on we go.
B.B.
What do you do if you shoot a .20 cal.?
We tweeners feel discriminated against.
-Y
Yogi,
Go for it!
shootski
Got to figure out the rules first.
-Y
There is nothing in the rules about caliber. I am going to use .357. All they care about is CTC and that does not really get you a win, just a patch and/or coin.
This is also better than those overpriced airgun infomercials they have out West.
I intend to give all three groups a try. The odds of me winning are diddly squat but having the patch and the challenge coin will be cool.
RR
Just have fun getting it done. 🙂
You may rest assured, I will. 😉
RR
🙂
Gunfun1,
Did you see Benji-Don’s comment on the Dragonfly binding issue? It is over here /blog/2022/07/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-ten/#comment-491985 Interesting.
Mike
B.B., and Readership,
A few days ago I did a PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT about the SIG WHISKEY 3 Scopes on SALE on the manufacturer’s Web Site. I ordered two for myself and today a box arrived and I have unboxed to a BIG SURPRISE!
The two scopes were in 2 SIG plastic pistol boxes!
Inside each box were 4 BDC (Bullet Drop Compensation) Elevation turret caps; each scope had the normal 1/4 click MOA caps installed. Those four extra BDC caps are all EXTRAS!
Next there were 3 small white boxes that looked like scope ring boxes…three of them! I opened the first and two 1″ rings dropped into my hand along with an Allen Wrench. The other two boxes contained exactly the same contents!
I feel like Santa Clause arrived in July!
I thought the DEAL was good but this is over the TOP!
After this post and my previous if you want one ((or more)) you know the saying goes:
YOU SNOOZE YOU LOSE!
US $130.00 plus tax
shootski
PS: I have no connection to SIG other than a long time purchaser of their products.
Shootski,,
As I said in another comment,, I just bought one on Amazon,, but mine was only $107. It said it was from SIG, tho. I wonder, now, if it is the same as yours. I don’t suppose SIG has any others that they are selling, but have no idea. really. I guess I’ll have to try it out and make up my own mind about it.
Hope it is the original,, but you know what is said about having hope in one hand.
Ed
Merry Christmas shootski.
Thanks for your, as you call it, public service announcement. I meant to thank you on Thursday but ‘Oldtimers’…
I forgot.
I did try to buy one of those Whiskey3 scopes for my Asp20, however, shipping to France was not an option.
Once again, thanks for the ‘heads up’. And, I was interested to read your delight at what you found in your package. I love it when people do that! 🙂
Shootski
That’s pretty cool.
I wanted one of the scopes (or more depending on how they are). Not the gun.
I’ll have to see about at least getting one.
What are the included rings. Dovetail, Weaver, Picatinny?
Gunfun1,
All three sets identical and are MIL-SPEC Picatinny as you know they will also work on Weaver bases.
shootski
Shootski
Thanks.
Gunfun1,
I messed up!
Picatinny accessories will not fit on a Weaver rail, but Weaver accessories will fit on a Picatinny rail.
For all of you reading my reply to Gunfun1: Simply stated, this difference means an accessory (scope ring) designed for a Weaver rail will fit into the wider Picatinny rail slot. However, accessories (scope rings supplied with my Whiskey 3) designed specifically for the Picatinny rail system will have notches that are too wide to fit the narrower Weaver spacing. The difference is quite small, and if you are handy with a file or Dremel tool, you might get it to fit.
SIG made the crossbar to Mil-Spec 0.206″ The Picatinny rail is very similar to the Weaver design, but they do not exactly interchange. The Weaver mounting rails have slots that are .180” wide and do not necessarily have a consistent spacing between the grooves. Picatinny slots are .206” wide with a center-to-center groove width of .394”.
Sorry Gunfun1,
shootski
Shootski
All good. And thanks for the explanation.
So without going back through reading the rules the scores will not be about how close to bullseye you will be.
The score will be about group size. Right?
Only to get you in the running for the drawing. No score. Drawing winners take all.
RR
🙁
Yeah, well, what do you expect. If the group sizes counted for anything, there would be massive amounts of cheating. I can see some out there shooting at five yards and claiming it was fifty yards.
They at least are willing to give out patches and challenge coins to those who take the time to shoot well.
RR
Your probably right.
I must say that I am once again disappointed with my latest business dealings with AOA.
Recently, I purchased a Webley Junior from them. When the Junior arrived, it did not have one of the grip panels on it. Figuring that AOA would not have one, I went ahead and ordered one. I finally contacted the dude in charge of used airgun sales and he said that it was stated in the description that it did not have one of the grip panels. Since the ad for that particular air pistol disappeared the moment I purchased it, I had no way to argue the point. He also informed me with a tone that made me thankful he was not standing in front of me that this was the reason I had received such a great deal on the Junior. I gritted my teeth and went on my way.
Later, as I was shooting the Junior, it started shooting on its own. On disassembly, I discovered the sear needed replacing. Right now, I am waiting its arrival from England. What a great deal!
In the latest fiasco, I saw a used air rifle listed with AOA that I have coveted for some time. I contacted them by email that I would like to trade a particular air rifle I have for it. The trade value of my air rifle was WAY more than fair for what I desired. I was informed that I would first have to buy the air rifle I desired and then, when they received my air rifle, they would send me a check for the value of the air rifle they were selling.
Having lost all trust in AOA from my previous dealings with them, I informed this person “That ain’t gonna happen”. Not only did I not have that kind of money laying around doing nothing, I felt I could not trust them. I would probably not receive a full refund with the excuse that my air rifle was not worth as much as theirs.
Needless to say, my dealings with AOA have come to an end. I can purchase anything they sell elsewhere. No, they will not miss my business, but others may be more appreciative.
RR
Bummer.
Thanks RidgeRunner for sharing your experience. Valuable information.
With a bit of luck, “AOA” will also read your review (or hear of it) and realise their opportunity for improvement… 😉
They are quickly going over to the high-end airguns. They could care less about what little pittance I may throw their way. Also, there are other sources for Daystate, etc. I do not need to do business with them.
Another totally off subject comment from me.
What happened to the Diana Outlaw? They seem to have gone away. Maybe they will come back in another life.
I have read many comments concerning many of these Chinese made airguns, some here. Some of the Dragonfly 2 air rifles seem to have little problems. Fortunately, most seem easy to fix.
My concern is down the road. Who is going to hold the Chinese feet to the fire as far as quality is concerned. As Chinese production goes on, the quality control seems to go away to increase profit margin. I am not talking just airguns. Ask GE why their Smart Hot Water Heaters are no longer made in China.
Am I being prejudicial? Maybe. Am I willing to pay more for a quality product? Yes.
Just saying.
RidgeRunner,
I hope you are correct. The Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact nations had a similar manufacturing pattern. Some blamed it on alcoholism and others on the concept that their governments pretended to pay them and the workers pretended to work over drinks!
The end result was the abject failure of their military. I want the same for the ChiCom military; only ten times worse.
I don’t want any of their military factory produced airguns built with slave and political prisoner’s labor either! Wake up “FREE” World they are looking to dominate your existance while hiding in the shadow of the misguided Russians.
shootski
Pardon me for interrupting but I wish it to be known that some of us, in the so-called Free World, have a rather different outlook. I will say no more (any further information for my point of view can be gleaned from Caitlin Johnstone’s writings, whom I subscribe to).
Oh, and erm, peace! 🙂
hihihi,
I happen to be familiar with CJ’s work.
After all I am a Syntopical reader for many decades.
shootski.
Mike
Nowhere to reply to your comment above about Benji Don comment about the Dragonfly 2.
Yes I did see his comment and others about the pumping problem they had.
But thanks for letting me know.
Gunfun1,
Guess you have not had a chance to look at your Dragonfly yet, I think you will probably see the same issue Benji Don saw.
Mike
Mike
No I haven’t messed with mine anymore yet. Been working some crazy shifts at work. Was working 6pm to 2am covering half of 2nd shift and half of 3rd shift. Now I went back to 3rd shift which is 9:30 to 6am. So I should be on 3rd for a while. After I get myself readjusted to the time then I’ll probably start messing with it. I’ll give a update when I do.
Gunfun1,
Wow, that is some crazy hours. I will be looking forward to what you find out.
Mike