Today blog reader Ian McKee and I are at Day one of the SHOT Show. Tomorrow’s report will include Range day and Day one of the show.
In the blog today Ian, whose blog name is 45Bravo, tells us about his experience of repairing a Marksman BB pistol. This report is especially good because there are many Marksman pistols available and they make good dart guns.
If you’d like to write a guest post for this blog, please email me at blogger@pyramydair.com.
Take it away, Ian
Repairing a Marksman spring air pistol
by Ian McKee
Marksman BB air pistol.
This report covers:
- Starting
- Assembly
- A tip
- Finished
- Possibility?
We know the Marksman repeater air pistol is not particularly well regarded as a pellet and BB gun, but it was also intended to shoot darts, and apparently it shoots them pretty well! Today we will look at repairing a Marksman Repeater air pistol so you can try out the dart gun scene with your vintage Marksman air pistol that may be in need of repair.
As far as I know, this guide will apply to all iterations of this pistol made from the 1950’s until the current production models available in 2023 including the Blanca pistols produced in India. As always, take photos during the disassembly process to help with putting all the bits and bobs back where they belong.
Starting
To start, you need to depress the thumb safety to unlock the slide, then pull the slide rearward until it is fully cocked, this will allow you access to a flat spring steel clip that is located under the rear of the slide as shown in the photo, You can remove this with needle nose pliers, hemostats, or a hooked o-ring tool.
Thumb safety down.
Pulling the slide all the way back cocks the pistol.
Remove this first. Just pull it straight up.
Once you have done that, you can pull the trigger to release the spring tension stored in this mainspring. The “slide” (the thing you pulled to cock the pistol) has tabs that fit into channels in the body of the gun, and you need to remove the slide by aligning the tabs with the cutouts as shown in the photo and spreading the sides of the slide until it clears the receiver.
These need to be lined up, and then spread the sides of the slide to let them clear the receiver.
On the right side of the gun are three screws, you need to remove these, they are all the same size so you don’t have to keep them in order. A thin screwdriver will allow you to separate the two halves, lifting the right side of the gun upwards.
These screws are all the same so you don’t have to keep track of their positions.
There are three springs in the gun, only the mainspring will want to shoot rearward as you open the pistol halves — so control it. The other two springs are located — one near the bottom of the tilting barrel, and the other one at the rear of the trigger arrangement.
These two are under tension, but normally do not have a habit of flying across the room. Pay special attention to the trigger spring, the lower leg wants to push the safety block upward, and the upper leg of the spring wants to move the trigger down and pivot it forward.
The correct orientation is shown in the photo, and the correct orientation of the barrel tensioning spring is shown in the next.
This is the correct orientation of the two torsion springs.
Trigger spring detail.
Barrel spring detail.
Since they are still under spring tension, I suggest removing these two springs first. Once these have been removed, you can remove the mainspring and captive inner spring assembly.
The early guns used a brass compression chamber, with a steel nozzle that is retained in the end of the compression chamber by a rubber insert. Later guns use a steel compression chamber and nozzle made as one piece. The rear of the compression chambers on some guns were rolled into a smaller diameter so the piston, compression chamber, and inner mainspring assembly was not easily user serviceable or repairable.
The new style compression chamber is much more robust than the older one.
Old style compression chamber
I’m repairing an early Marksman that is still marked Patent Pending and is in excellent physical condition. Internally, the nozzle had broken loose from its base and damaged the main seal on the piston as shown in the photo.
This main seal is definitely beyond repair.
I reached out to several of my sources for vintage airgun parts but Marksman seals were nowhere to be found. Of course that is compounded by the minor changes made to the design over the decades.
The only option was a donor gun. I had a later model Marksman that was made from plastic, but its compression chamber is made from steel, and that gun fires with good velocity.
In my opinion, the older metal one deserves to live more than the plastic one, so I had no compunctions in pulling the heart and lungs from the younger gun for the elder. “It’s not Frankenstein, It’s pronounced Fronkensteen” (that’s a quote from an old Mel Brooks movie titled, Young Frankenstein).
Assembly
The donor part went in without any problems, and the elder Marksman is now alive and back in service with its owner.
I do want to cover a couple of reassembly points to help you if you are servicing and cleaning the internals of your Marksman.
I doubt this spring piston gun would benefit from a Tune in a Tube treatment, so I just used a small amount of moly grease on the two mainsprings, and the pivot points.
Install the tilting barrel arrangement in the closed position, then the safety and trigger and the long sear bar in position, making sure they are on their posts or in their recesses. Put the barrel spring back into place, but leave the long leg laying out between the receiver halves as you will use a small flat blade screwdriver to put the long spring leg in position as you are closing the halves.
Lay the mainspring and compression chamber in its place, and then put the trigger spring in position, paying close attention to its orientation, look at how when it is under tension it wants to move a part of the trigger on to the top of the safety, if this happens during assembly, the gun will seem to be locked up and you will have to take it apart and try again.
A tip
It helps to hold the trigger in place with a finger or a thumb through the trigger guard while putting the right side back on the pistol.
Other than putting the mainspring over the compression assembly the pistol is ready to close up.
To recap what has to be done all at the same time: the mainspring and compression assembly held in place under spring tension, the trigger held in place under spring tension, then the right half of the gun put into place (and still leaving the leg of the barrel spring hanging out for the moment.)
Once that is done, start the two screws on the grip and the top left rear of the frame, but do not tighten them. Then with a small thin blade screwdriver, you can lift the long leg of the barrel spring into the frame and over the post that holds it under tension, if you just put it inside the frame, and not over that post, the barrel will not have the proper tension to hold it firmly closed for firing.
Make sure you put the spring over this post.
Now add the third screw near the muzzle and tighten down all three.
Take the slide, and slightly spread the sides to put the raised guides into the notches that are in the rear of the frame, it is keyed and only goes in one way. Make sure it slides forward and back freely and stays in the track.
Using needle nosed pliers pull the steel rod that the spring clip attaches to rearward until the sear catches it and holds it in place. Move the slide into position, and attach the slide to the steel rod with the spring clip.
Finished
Push the slide forward and function test the gun.
If everything went right, your Marksman pistol is back in action and ready for a few rounds of darts with friends.
Possibility?
If you don’t have a Marksman, and wish to try the dart airgun scene on a budget, Pyramyd AIR sells the Umarex DX17, which appears to operate mechanically the same way as the Marksman repeater.
I have not yet had the opportunity to try the Umarex DX17 in person, nor have I disassembled one to see if they cross over to the Marksman in parts compatibility. But I have seen a disassembly video of it, and it seems to have the same mainspring arrangement I just don’t know if it is dimensionally the same.
Keep us posted as to how your Marksman is doing with darts, I am sure many readers would like to know.
Shoot safe, and HAVE FUN!
Ian
45Bravo,
Ian, Rust Belt Airguns has a U-Tube disassembly video.
More plastic, springs, and screws but sure looks like some major and minor parts are the same.
Enjoy the Shot Show!
shootski
Ian,
Thank you for this informative tutorial!
I’ve been wanting one of these since I was about 8-years-old.
I’ve seen some vintage ones for sale that “need some help.”
Now I know how to restore them; thanks again. 😉
Blessings to you,
dave
Thank you Shootski, and Dave.
Dave, please resend me an email about what we talked about before, I have not forgotten, but the days just don’t seem to have enough hours to do what I need to do.
Ian
Done!
Yes Sir, I’m with you on that.
I’m retired, and I STILL don’t have enough hours in the day to get it all done!!! 😉
Ian,
Thank you for a fascinating look into another air pistol. Enjoy the SHOT Show with Tom.
Siraniko
Ian,
Have you ever thought about opening a repair shop?
You have the right skills for it.
-Yogi
I have thought of it many times.
And I do repairs for people but pick and choose the types of jobs, I prefer to specialize in vintage or antique airguns. I like to see them live to give another 50 or more years of enjoyment to a new generation.
I don’t particularly like working on the big box store airguns because the cost of replacement parts can quickly exceed the price of a new gun.
What I really enjoy is sharing the knowledge of how to repair airguns. Hopefully if I do my job right, it will give you the confidence to try it yourself and you will have acquired new skill.
Ian.
Ian, you did, I did, and I do!
I have a vague memory of seeing/briefly having a plastic version of this as a kid. Now that I am an old geezer, I just might have to keep my eyes open for a metal version.
Do enjoy the Shot Show. I am most envious.
You say Fronkensteen, I say I-gor.
It is a great movie.
With lots of great actors.
Most people don’t see Gene Hackman in the movie.
Ian.
It is/was one of my favorites.
Ian,
It was the second time I watched the movie, before I realized who it was.
“I was going to make espresso!”
Bill
Heard say there is an electric version, E-gor. Might just be hearsay.
FM,
You will have to ask Joe about that. I cannot see it myself.
I wish I’d had a detailed description like this for the first time I ever tried to disassemble and reassemble a 1911….
Ian,
This is an excellent report. It also has some personal appeal to me as when I was a young boy, my father and I would go walking along old railroad tracks out in the countryside and plink at various debris with a Marksman identical to this one. Your report brings back many fond memories for me. I still have my Marksman, and I would never part with it.
Thanks for writing on this under-appreciated classic.
Michael
“I still have my Marksman, and I would never part with it.”
Michael, yes! It’s more than an airgun; it’s a time machine; just holding it brings back memories of your Dad.
I feel the same way about my Dad’s Tempest; he shot mine, then had me buy him one.
I “got stupid” and sold mine; then Dad gave me his before he passed away.
As you said, “I would never part with it.”
Every time I shoot it, or even just pick it up, it reminds me of good times with my Dad. 🙂
Blessings to you,
dave
Dave,
You hit the nail on the head. That is it exactly. I have many air guns, but only two have sentimental value. The other one is a first variant Daisy Model 25 my grandpa bought new. He plinked with my dad with it, and then it became my dad’s BB gun and then mine. It is another air gun I would never ever part with.
My dad described another BB gun my grandpa had during my dad’s youth, and it was probably bought new by my great grandfather almost 120 years ago. It was long gone by the time I was born, so I imagine my grandpa sold it during some hard times when he was under-employed. From my dad’s description, it had to be a Benjamin Model B (probably not, very few were made), Model C, or Model E or F.
Michael
“…a first variant Daisy Model 25 my grandpa bought new.”
Michael, when I was 12, a friend of mine had that same gun, the one with the wooden stock and forearm; I know they make a new version; but, at some point, I’ll most likely get one of the old ones
…just for the nostalgia of it…to remind me of the good ol’ days. 😉
Dave,
Be sure to consider that they were made to shoot lead BBs of the day. I don’t shoot mine because of that. For me it is an heirloom.
The new ones are nice shooters. I have one, and I like it very much.
Michael
Michael, thanks for that info; I do want it for a shooter; hence, you’ve changed my mind. 😉
“The new ones are nice shooters. I have one, and I like it very much.”
Michael, based on that, I ordered one that will be here Monday;
I’ll let you know how I like it. 😉
Michael, my model 25 is here! It’s freezing outside, and super windy, but I just had to go out and shoot it anyway. I just tested it standing, offhand, to ensure that it did indeed fire all of the 50 shots, as advertised…and it did…a barrel of fun! Thank you for recommending it. 🙂
Dave, glad you like it.
I had to enlarge the peep hole just ever so slightly on mine, and it’s accurate-ish holding normally, but I get the best results with a simple and quick artillery hold just in front of the trigger guard (open palm) and lightly holding the stock with the trigger hand. Of course, your mileage may vary! ;^)
I also applied a little lubricant to the linkage in the pump arm to get it very quiet. The shot itself is pretty quiet with those, I have found, just a little “pop.”
On ebay a seller has all kinds of Daisy modding parts, including a tight bore shot tube for the 25. I bought one, but as it is winter, I haven’t put it in and tried it yet. It might make it too accurized to function, so I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
Michael
Michael, thanks for the eBay tip; I may do some modding; but for sure I need to open up that peep a bit! 🙂
My uncle, who was in the Navy in World War II, had quite a collection of guns. He would buy them from GIs that had picked them up on the battlefield. Among his more exotic pieces was a fully functioning MP40. He also had a Luger, a P 38 and of course a G.I. 45. I wanted a 45 like his so I bought a Marksman pistol. I loved some of its functioning features, but to put it mildly, I was disappointed with the underwhelming performance. It stayed in its box and I don’t know what happened to it. It might’ve been sold at my parents estate sale.
Brent
Thanks for this Ian!
I (vaguely) remember seeing one of these many decades ago and recollect it only because that was also the first time I saw airgun darts.
In comparison my Crosman 101, I wasn’t too impressed with the Marksman, never gave it a fair consideration.
Enjoy the show guys!