This report covers:
Today
Start of the BB
What ARE NOT BBs
.22-caliber lead balls
SwedishExcellent
More .22-caliber lead balls
A fun test
Reader Bob M suggested today’s report. He commented on the Physics is fisiks report saying, “Anybody know of a source for ‘new’ .22cal BB’s? Found some NOS lead shot. Thinking of getting a vintage airgun.”
Today
Today we explore the world of .22-caliber round balls, most of which are solid lead but at least one was made from two different materials. Reader Roamin Greco told Bob that .22-caliber lead balls shouldn’t be called BBs and I would agree.
A modern BB is either a round steel ball of a diameter of 0.171 to 0.173-inches/4.343 to 4.394mm. The original BBs from the 19th century were lead shot made for shotguns in the size BB. I covered a lot of the history about that in the report titled, The ubiquitous BB.
Start of the BB
The airgun projectile we call a BB began in 1886 as common lead shotgun shot of the size BB or 0.180-inch/4.572mm diameter. It was selected for W.F. Markham’s revolutionary new spring-piston gun that was made of maple wood and a minimum of metal parts. The probable inventor of the new airgun, George W. Sage, simply chose a commonly available projectile that produced good results in his creation.
It worked well. Lead BB shot continued to be the projectile of choice until the beginning of the 20th century, when Daisy contracted to have its own proprietary lead shot made. The new shot that Daisy called Air Rifle Shot was sized smaller, at 0.175-inches/4.445mm. Because they produced it, Daisy could control the uniformity of the shot. They also saved lead, which, when you are making hundreds of millions of an item, pays off. Even better, kids had to buy ammo from them instead of raiding their father’s shotgun ammo supply.
Then American Ball, a maker of ball bearings, brought out a product they called Bulls Eye air rifle shot. It was made of steel and was even lighter, making BB guns shoot faster.
In 1928 Daisy and American Ball penned an agreement whereby Daisy would be the exclusive distributor for Bulls Eye air rifle shot. Daisy got a share of the profits and American Ball was connected to worldwide distribution channels. Best of all, Daisy gained control of the specifications and ended the oversized ball problem of kids using discarded ball bearings.
A decade later, Daisy bought American Ball, bringing the Bulls Eye brand in house. They no longer use that name but you will find used BBs in packages that have it.
When the switch was made from lead to steel Daisy also reduced the size of the BB from 0.175-inches to 0.173 inches, nominally. I say nominally because steel BBs today range in size from 0.171 to 0.173-inches in diameter but watch out because Marksman brought out a steel BB that’s sized 0.176-inches/4.47mm in diameter. They will jam most BB guns.
What ARE NOT BBs
Asian airsoft manufacturers call their 6mm plastic and aluminum balls BB Bullets. That leads to confusion in the marketplace because airsoft was created by Daisy in the 1980s to end injuries from kids being hit with real steel BBs. The guns Daisy branded as Soft Air (now called airsoft) already existed in the Orient. Daisy just gave them a name.
.22-caliber lead balls
I made the comment earlier that not all .22-caliber balls were made of solid lead. Decades ago there was a .22-caliber steel ball that had a thin coating of lead on the outside to take the rifling. I think it was used in the Plainsman multi-pump rifle (and perhaps the pistol as well) sold by Challenger in the 1940s and ’50s. Very little information of this ball type can be found and I have just told you all that I know.
SwedishExcellent
The Swedish Excellent multi-pump that I reported on in 2016 is essentially a .22-caliber air rifle. It’s a strange item and that three-part series is worth a read.
Swedish Excellent multi-pump model CII is 5.4mm which is close to .22-caliber.
Balls were loaded singly into the breech whose breechblock swiveled to the side for loading.
Ammunition for the Swedish Excellent.
More .22-caliber lead balls
Bob, my article on Zimmerstutzens that used to be up on the PA website shows many other lead balls. Some of them are also .22 caliber. There may be companies in Europe still offering 5.5mm lead balls but I don’t know of any.
You asked about new .22 caliber lead balls. Pyramyd AIR sells Gamo .22-caliber round lead balls and as far as I know they are the last ones on the market. They weigh 15.43 grains which is about the same as the lighter middleweight lead pellets.
H&N used to make lead balls but they have apparently discontinued that line. They made the balls Beeman sold as Perfect Rounds but as far as my research has shown those were only in .177-caliber.
H&N used to make .22-caliber round lead balls. They are copper plated to reduce oxidation.
A fun test
Someone gifted me a tin of the H&N .22-caliber balls years ago so I have a small supply. I’ll put this to you readers—I can shoot a couple groups with pellets of known accuracy and follow it with a couple groups of .22-caliber round balls. It won’t prove anything but at least we’ll get to see. Does that sound like fun?
The TalonSS from AirForce Airguns is the easiest rifle for such a test because it is the easiest one to load. I’m currently testing the latest model for you, so that’s the one I would use. What do you think? Is there any interest?
Tom,
I’d be interested in the results but worried that the lead balls might roll down the barrel before you pull the trigger causing variability in the target results.
Siraniko
PS: Section More .22-caliber lead balls 3rd paragraph 1st sentence: “H&N used to made (make) lead balls but they have apparently discontinued that line.”
Iirc, Nibs at Walnut and Steel said his Excellent is .21. He ended up ordering large lead shot from Ballistic Products Inc. to use in it. Size F? I think.
Siraniko,
Fixed.
BB
BB,
Mark me down as an enthusiastic yes, to testing them! Shooting such an old fashioned projectile might well be interesting. Should there be a different rifling twist rate to stabilize pellets, as opposed to balls?
I have heard that spherical projectiles could be quite accurate from black powder burners with a slow twist rate. (Like Kentucky long rifles?)
Bill
billj,
I have heard anywhere from 1:44 to 1:66. That is slow.
RidgeRunner
Correct. My TC Pennsylvania Hunter was a .50 cal black powder round ball shooter. Very good and the twist was 1:66. That was claimed to be the best with round ball of that type of gun. There were 1.48 was a compromise twist that could shoot both round ball and Conical.
Doc
Doc,
I have heard of some of the newer ones at the faster twist, but I have heard 1:66 is the best for round ball. As that is not going to happen with most “modern” airguns, we had best stick with pellets.
Hello Airgun Enthusiast,
If you are interested in purchasing one of the
“ W.F. Markham’s revolutionary new spring-piston guns” or the “Bulls eye bb’s, that BB is speaking of in this article or other vintage bb guns, please take a look the following links.
Day 1
https://higginsauctions.com/auction/day-1-large-2-day-rish-auction/
Day 2
https://higginsauctions.com/auction/day-2-lg-2-day-rish-auction/
I would like to share with you (Tom Rish) a fellow friend’s Lifetime Collection of vintage BB guns that is being auctioned off today and tomorrow. Tom was extremely passionate about collecting BB guns. His family would like to see these guns and other items be sold to people who treasure them as much as he did. Please feel free to share and I hope someone finds something they may have been searching for in this collection.
Best regards,
L.T.
I do hope that BB deletes your post once he wakes up.
RR,
Now why did you say that? Temptation? 😉
BB
BB,
To prevent this site being flooded by auctions, commercial posts, et cetera.
RR,
I’ll handle that.
BB
RidgeRunner,
My apologies if this violates the blogs rules. I was told by another member that I should post these links on the “Friday Blog”. I didn’t mean any harm by posting them.
BB,
If this does violate the blogs rules, then please do remove immediately. Again I apologize, I was just doing what another member mentioned. Tom R. was very fervid about BB guns, and I was only hoping to help someone find something they might have been looking to acquire.
LT,
Those links pose no problem and may remain.
BB
LT,
If it is OK with BB, I am not going to worry with it.
I did eventually find and get 3 tins of Gamo .22cal lead ROUNDBALL 15.26 gr. Still sold.
As a last resort I was planning to measure the bore length and load the best fitting pellets through the front of the barrel. This pistol has a bulk filled 40+ closed compartment gravity fed magazine filled by sliding up the rear section that includes the sight. So breach loading a pellet is impossible. 375FPS claimed for .22. But there are three power settings, which one?
The weather is wet and cold around here, raining now. Been thinking about shooting through the hall and into a bedroom but that will involve moving furniture., so I wait.
The barrel in this Plainsmaster does not appear to be rifled and the led balls do not appear to be perfectly round, a little lumpy when rolled around in your fingers but not obvious enough to see. It may provide less friction between the lead balls and barrel?
I put one ball into the front of the barrel to check the fit. It went in easily, stayed in place and came out when I bumped the pistol. Looks like a perfect fit.
I don’t think there is any benefit to lead balls. However, it would be impossible to load 40 pellets in there. So it sure helps for semi-auto like rapid firing, and loading / storing them in there.
Be interesting to see at what distance a pellet of the same weight may exceed the accuracy of a lead ball … or … If it does at all.
sorry everyone i believe i didn’t pay enough attention to the schematics and part numbers between the mtr77np and the optimus. until i have them both in front of me (if i decide on this route). i’m not positive that a barrel change will be possible/ compatible anymore after further studies due to slight differences. to the best of my current knowledge though- a gas piston to spring powered piston change should be entirely possible. the triggers are the same, and the piston seals are compatible. i might just be curious enough to buy everything needed. it is my hope to cut the spring down to get it in the 500-700 fps range.
springman,
You are likely going to find that most sproingers operate well in that velocity range. Most of the “old gals” around here shoot at about that velocity. I think the airgun shooters in the UK were onto something. You will also find that most 10-meter air rifles and air pistols operate at about that velocity.
Forget .22. At short ranges, the .22 does not have any real advantage over .177. It is only at longer ranges does the .22 have any advantage and that is mostly due to its greater mass.
RidgeRunner,
Icm fairly certain you know most if not all of what follows but folks new to all this actually close to Rocket Science STUFF might benefit.
I have got to jump in here to clear up a few differences between Round Ball Black Powder/modern Propellant Muzzle/Breech Loaders and Airguns:
First and foremost Round Ball are not spin stabilized in either firearm or airgun; come to think of it NOT in Slinging as well. The spin ONLY has an effect on somewhat equalizing surface (dents, sprue, rifling impressions, etc.) and internal Mass distribution (voids) variability at best and amplification of the wobbles at worst.
Second is that Muzzle Velocity (MV) of propellant guns is almost always 50+% higher than the maximum MV typically found in airguns; basically sub or transonic and transonic for air power to well into supersonic for the propellant powered guns. That means the spin of the projectile is typically 50-100% greater than that found in airguns. But for shooting Round Ball the only thing that matters is how much EXTRA Work the barrel rifling rate might impose on the Internal Ballistics.
Last but not least: Springer powerplant airguns are an entirely different case since their Internal Ballistics are so greatly influenced by a substantially different pressure profile compared to both pneumatic and powder powerplants. The extra long barrel is of value only to a long duration pressure curve that is found in powder and pneumatic airguns if properly calculated and applied. The SPIN revolutions per unit time is a function of the in barrel FINAL VELOCITY and the maximum TWIST rate found at the muzzle for any barrel.
shootski
That’s funny. I do not feel an hour older.
RidgeRunner,
Only feel older in the Fall.
What happens in the Fall when we turn the clocks back by 1 hour…it is refered to as a Do Over.
In the Spring you turn that clock ahead 1 hour so you really aren’t an hour older….
Now if you go shooting at night and tell your spouse you will be back in an hour if you have bad timing you might not have any time to shoot at all in the Spring clock thing.
😉
shootski
BB,
My modest experience with round ball is restricted to .177, though I do need to try some 8mm. With such, I have not been impressed with its accuracy. As I have pointed out to billj’s inquiry, I am using the “standard” twist rate of 1:17 instead of what is likely much better twist rates for round ball shot of 1:44 to 1:66.
Having said that, I should also be counted as one who would be most interested in your experimentation with the .22 round ball. It would be most informative. Some of us just might even learn something from this. 😉
B.B.
What happened to your article on Zimmerstutzens?
Have a nice weekend everybody.
-Y
Yogi,
The Zimmer article is another PA trashed because of low contact numbers.
BB
BB,
I’d like to ask that P/AIR keep every one of the reports you’ve written for PA and for the world at large. The following is for P/AIR management to consider. Fickle are the data jugglers who decide what can stay and what can’t. Traffic is not the correct measure of the worth of BB Pelletier’s writings. There is too much excellent information that will be lost. I developed my knowledge base largely by reading a few thousand of his weekday entries. Sometimes I go back to reread them because I know the information is there and need to retrieve it. Recently, the one on how to make a leather piston seal: https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/12/how-to-make-a-leather-piston-seal/. Events like a broken down air gun, cause me to want to revisit the information BB has presented in the past, to help me solve the current problem.
The air gunning community can’t afford to lose any of BB’s blog entries. Even though Pyramyd Air paid for the work and owns it, it has become a library for anyone who seeks specific information that isn’t so easily found elsewhere. Even though it is SOP to reduce data bulk, I’d ask P/AIR to please consider BB’s library too valuable to burn.
Also consider that BB, the enabler, has landed an untold number of air gun and accessory sales for P/AIR and the profits gained directly from BB’s work should validate the space the blog data occupies and also to honor the partner who helped to make P/AIR so successful. Please conserve BB’s work. Thank you.
Best regards,
Will
Wonder if those entries might be preserved here?
https://web.archive.org/
FM feels the pain, as he had a blog that Google deleted because “not enough traffic.”
Basil,
Google isn’t deleting the reports. Pyramyd AIR is.
BB
Understand, evidently Google applies similar standards to those of us who use their Blogger platform. No big loss, that blog was set up for a 40th high school graduation reunion and it served its purpose.
Tom
I wonder, don’t you have any right on the contents of all that work? I consider PA’s actions on the subject like destroying the paintings of an artist that are not sold fast enough. Or the manuscripts of a writer just the same.
In any case I now understand why we lost the archives Dennis Adler. I sure hope that you can find a way not to lose the work of so many years.
Bill,
No. All material that I have written for PA belongs solely to them. I did publish the Zimmerstutzen article several decades ago in a magazine but I can’t remember which one.
Oh well,
BB
I have really serious doubts about the management of PA regarding their understanding of what Josh Unger established. What a pity!
This is the same way guest blogs work. All intellectual property rights in guest blogs belongs to PAIR.
However, the collected wisdom and knowledge ought to be preserved.
I wonder how much data the blog and comments (including the deleted posts) comprises. This blog is pretty lean. The photos are all fairly small and no videos appear.
20 years x 52 weeks per year x 5 days a week = 5200 blogs. Currently, you can buy cheap hard drives with multiple Terabytes of capacity.
I wholeheartedly, emphatically, and vociferously agree!
Well then they should get rid of all the archery blogs. Nobody reads those!
Your archive was a great resource for all things airgun. Hope more does not disappear?
-Yogi
Hold on, señor Yogi! FM reads the archery blogs, so they are not pointless.
FM,
Pun intended, right?
-Y
Speaking of the MTR 77 NP. I just read someplace that Nitro Piston airguns do not work well with the “Artillery Hold” A tight grip and pulled into the shoulder is said to perform better.
It was a comment about the MTR77 so perhaps it was just about that air rifle. Any comments about anyone’s experience with this air rifle or other NP’s.
Mine shoots low with the included scope and it’s not really designed to be held or function in the artillery hold having an AR-15 pistol grip. A very impressive replica for sure.
Thanks for the report BB. I am interested in the proposed comparison testing. One aspect that might be interesting to compare is the terminal velocities of the ball versus the diabolo shaped pellet. If both of them are approximately the same weight, does the round ball slow down less due to less drag? Maybe the penetration depth comparison in duct seal could be used to compare the relative velocities without getting into the numbers?
All this talk about ammo reminded me of reading about some new ammo (slugs) reportedly coming out that is made by Zan Projectiles. They are supposed to have a cutting edge anti-friction coating. They should make a good subject for these types of tests.
Elmer Fudd,
Tom tells most…
https://www.pyramydair.com/article/Pellets_vs_Round_Balls_May_2003/3?srsltid=AfmBOor6p0Lr_Ob7_cYou4WOKI2qm1gLRR10L5wdVXjjyAU5PtgghNQd
But there is a Rest of the Story.
shootski
Thanks Shootski and BB. That’s a very interesting test that was done back then. The penetration through the block is deeper for the round shot even without my suspected benefit of higher velocity due to distance and probably less aerodynamic drag. So, what is the Rest of the Story you hinted at?
Elmer Fudd,
“So, what is the Rest of the Story you hinted at?”
I don’t want to steal B.B.’s opportunity to drop more on you.
I promise that if he doesn’t cover it i’ll fill in the blank(s) he may leave.
shootski
BB,
An enjoyable blog today, BB, thank you. I like the history discussions and today’s reading brought to mind the early method of forming round lead balls by dropping them from the top of a high tower with a pool of water at the bottom to catch them softly, then screening them for size. Never knew that.
I have never shot a round ball from a pellet gun like a springer or a PCP, I never gave it a thought. It would be interesting to try a small tin of .22 cal through various guns and see how they fly.
The .22 cal Swedish Excellent that you showed is a neat-o air gun! The swiveling breech block reminds me of Hank’s recent lesson on surfaces and oil films. Two smooth flat surfaces with oil in between are hard to separate in tension, but shear will separate them easily. With a little Pellgunoil wetting the surfaces, I bet that breech block doesn’t leak air during the shot. Good stuff!
Yes, I’m all for testing round lead balls in the Talon SS. Would you please vary the speed in two steps, slow and fast? No need for measured velocities, dial setting values are enough info.
Have a great weekend all!
Will
I am not aware as to whether it is my service provider or PAIR who is responsible, but I cannot link to responses to my posts from my email.
FM’s DQ (Dumb Question) of the day – would you be testing the .22 balls in a rifled airgun?
Basil,
“The TalonSS from AirForce Airguns is the easiest rifle for such a test because it is the easiest one to load. I’m currently testing the latest model for you, so that’s the one I would use”
BB
See? It did turn out to be a DQ; FM must keep reading glasses on when reading. Then he may see the forest. Do hope you carry out your experiment – when you find your RT – Round Tooit – of course.
Basil,
I just finished writing that report.
BB
Call FM impressed by that efficient response! You must have a stash of Round Tooits…
“Does that sound like fun? The TalonSS from AirForce Airguns is the easiest rifle for such a test because it is the easiest one to load…What do you think? Is there any interest?”
BB,
Please count me in as wanting to see such a test; thank you! 🙂
Blessings to you,
dave
Well, my site links are working again.
B.B.,
I look forward to your testing of small caliber Round Ball (RB) very much.
Although i have some amount of experience with Big Bore airgun Round Ball (.308 to .58 caliber) shooting i have next to none in the small calibers.
An interesting web site for those interested in RB ballistics: https://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/rbballistics/rbballistics.html
This is good to know and my experiences with large caliber agree with the conclusion:
“What About Slugs?
Although the program was written for a round ball, the retardation data was based on what was, in effect, just a large slug. If you change the weight of the projectile to that of a slug you are using, you will see the performance improves because of the increased sectional density a slug has compared to a round ball. I have not been able to independantly (sic) verify the results of a slug simulation, but they shouldn’t be too far off.”
shootski
Just noticed the is a very cute, adorable, fluffy baby rabbit toy that moves around out there. It’s advertised all over my home page, day after day. It’s intended to draw kids away from the internet, BunnyPal.
So why would they send the advertisement to an old man who likes guns? They surly know that about me.
And then it hit me, “What a perfect Airsoft Target!” I could kill it over and over again and sharpen my hunting skill 😉
I wonder if it falls over and goes into death throws and screams when shot. One can only hope. It would probably only drop pellets all over. Aint technology great!
Probably couldn’t use it outdoors, the predator birds or coyotes would more than likely carry it off and boy would they be surprised.
I think that the real potential for lead balls in airgunning will be in semi or full-auto fire. Imagine scaling up some of the replica BB guns like the MP40 or Thompson, “chambering” them in .25 so that they could fire #3 buckshot and running them on regulated air at 2000 psi. (And this would absolutely require a gun designed to operate at those pressures, not just a conversion).
Lead balls should also have the potential for much greater accuracy than steel BB’s. I’m not sure how truthful they were, but I have read accounts of muzzleloaders shooting 2 MOA and less at 100 yards with them.
SawneyBean,
“I’m not sure how truthful they were, but I have read accounts of muzzleloaders shooting 2 MOA and less at 100 yards with them.” I have no doubt that an accomplished shooter could shoot into two MOA with a muzzleloader rifle.
Eric Henderson shoots a Quackenbush .58 Caliber air pistol at 95 yards in an Adventures Afield U-tube piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1i7C6Mj38
and they take out a mature buck DRT (Dropped Right There) with the DAQ .58 ShortRifle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJX-BAdIaGk
I do as well.
shootski
I like that Quackenbush pistol. One of the things I’ve been experimenting with for awhile now is BB gun accuracy, and in general it’s pretty poor, especially at distances of 20 yards or more, but as Eric there demonstrated, just because the projectile is round doesn’t mean it has to be minute of can accurate and round balls have some excellent feeding properties that really aren’t being taken advantage of except for with BB’s and airsoft. Girandoni made good use of it.
BB
I have eagerly looked forward to these daily reports for 13 years since I first happened upon it. The Friday report was often one that were popular and included many off subject comments. I completely understand your needing relief but I find myself looking for something to do. There is a wealth of valuable airgun enabling topics in your archives. I will be spending more time there.
I’m hoping PA will slow down its culling of old reports. There are still lots of powder shooters who have not yet discovered the allure of airguns. Hunting is very popular in the southeast where I live but serious airgunners are few and far between. The closest airgun show is about 200 miles. There is a big market waiting to be tapped.
Deck
The only reasons to delete any old blogs are ignorance and stupidity. This is what happens when the IT folks do not understand what they are working on.
Don
Benji-Don,
TOTALLY!
shootski
PS: sometimes Leadership is to blame by failing to give (doesn’t know how to give) IT clear instructions on what is desired.
shootski,
In my experience, leadership rarely had a clue of what IT was talking about; so they just left IT in charge of the system, instead of the users. When that happens IT does what is easiest for them. If the users have no control of the system it will not serve its purpose effectively. System analysis 101.
Don
Benji-Don,
I cleaned up what I wrote above and sent it via “Contact us” at the bottom of any P/AIR page, under Customer Support and addressed it to Management. More people writing in may cause management to understand what IT is doing, if they don’t, and to ask management to please direct IT to conserve BB’s blog entries.
An overarching idea that P/AIR promotes is education, bringing communities together and currying the next generation of airgun enthusiasts. BB’s blog is the primary educator, who takes us far beyond the written description below the picture in the catalog. And we readers are the educated community who buys products A through Z from P/AIR.
Will
Figured out why internet AI is sending me nonstop Bunny Pal advertisements. 3 or4 on my home page.
They want old people to buy it for their grandchildren this Easter. But as usual AI was not programed to eliminate people without grandchildren.
They at least could have sold them as “Lifelike moving Airsoft Targets” … With a Senior discount, and a free packet of 6mm red paintball ammo for a more realistic experience.
Young hunters would probably love it too.
What everyone seems to have forgotten, or has gone unnoticed by some, is that Pyramyd AIR is not Pyramyd Air. It is not what it used to be.
Someone in IT informed those higher up in the food chain that money can be saved if we delete some of the old data not being accessed as much as some would like and use that space for more pertinent data. Other companies do such. Why not us? The kids running the show do not understand that the information may be lost forever. They are just trying to justify their existence to those higher on the food chain. “See? I saved the company some money.”
PAIR does realize that BB does bring in a substantial amount of money. That is the main reason he is still here. PAIR brought in the Bow Bully because now they sell bows. Soon we are likely to see an E-Bike Eunice or a Hatchet Henrietta.
Something else you will likely notice in the near future is PAIR is likely to determine that profit margins are based on percentages. 50 percent of $100 is $50 while 50 percent of $1000 is $500. There are already some airgun manufacturers and dealers who have figured that out.
Yes, it would be nice if we were to have advanced notice of PAIR deleting data, but that is not likely as that notice will cost money. “A penny saved is a penny earned.”
Or maybe they will get Lizzie Borden instead of Hatchet Herietta.
RR,
Of course you’re right, things change and there is the grinding corporate mentality. But I’d rather ask those who might help, in a polite way, rather than not and wish I had. Sometimes one needs to be a squeaky wheel ;).
Will
Squeak away my friend.
RR,
If they really need to save a few dollars they can place the deleted blogs in a read only archive like they do with the manuals. The cost would then be next to nothing.
Don
Benji-Don
Perhaps PAIR cannot afford even this. Maybe each one of us can donate a penny in order to raise the substantial amount those IT and marketing directors save by deleting Tom’s work.
That makes sense; therefore it is not likely going to happen.
Well, here I go again, Troubleshooting, Analyzing and Solving a problem. Well at least one option.
DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING ONTO A TERABYTE EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE and offer it for sale.
I would say just eliminate all the replies and keep everything as is but there is a wealth of knowledge there as well.
OR Catagorize subjects and sell thumb drives.
You won’t even need too mess with thumb drives. PAIR could offer a direct download for a fee.
Roamin,
Thought about that, not sure what it would take to accomplish on P/A’s part but a little financial compensation may provide some incentive if it is determined to be out of the question.
Or maybe Tom could make a sensible agreement with those penny seeking guys and buy the wrights of His work. Then he could publish a great book for everyone in airguns and more. I think that could really sell.
“Adventures in the air” by BB.
Bill,
Who better to organize the material in the blogs and decide on the method of marketing.
If it works out well, he could have some income for life.
Team
Does anyone know if PAIR limits downloads of the material
Kind Regards
jda001