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Umarex SA 177 – Part 2

by B.B. Pelletier
Testing and photos by Earl “Mac” McDonald

Part 1

Before we begin today’s report, I wanted to mention that last Friday’s blog on using regular glasses in lieu of safety glasses received a lot of discussion, so we’re going to pursue the subject farther. Dr. Mirfee Ungier, eye surgeon and wife of Pyramyd AIR owner Joshua Ungier, will answer optic-related safety questions you readers may have. You can either email your questions to Edith or you can post them as comments to this blog. Either way, Edith will collect and forward the questions to Dr. Ungier, who will answer them in a future report.

While I was in the hospital, Edith posted updates to my condition on the blog. I’ve read some of these updates and discovered things about my condition that I wasn’t aware of! To keep you updated, I wanted to let you know how I’m doing currently.

I’m still being fed intravenously and receiving daily IV antibiotics. I can take my IV, which is portable, and go out in public. I can sit at my desk about 3 hrs a day, but not continuously. That’s how I write the blogs and answer comments. On Sunday, I drove my pickup truck around town and demonstrated that I can do that pretty well. I still have a drain in my side for the pancreatic pseudocyst, but the drainage has become quite small and the pseudocyst has shrunk to about the size of a marble. I may get the drain removed within a few weeks (my next scheduled doctor’s appointment is June 29). I’m not back to 100%, but I’m sure a lot better than I was 3 weeks ago!

Now, on to today’s report.

As we learned in Part 1, this SA 177 BB pistol is a fast-firing bundle of joy with a DAO action and a heavy trigger. Today, we’ll learn about velocity.

The SA 177 looks modern.

The stick mag holds 20 BBs, and Mac used the Umarex speedloader to fill it every time. The mag drops free of the gun with a push on the release button on the left side of the frame.

Mac installed a fresh CO2 cartridge and started the velocity test with Daisy zinc-plated BBs. The average velocity was 410 f.p.s. with a spread from 403 to 427. That velocity held for a fantastic 100 shots! Fantastic both because of the high velocity and because of the blowback action. Did you forget that? The SA 177 is a blowback pistol.

The metal slide blows back with every shot.

After 100 shots, the velocity for the next 10 shots fell from from 402 to 356, so the gun was clearly falling off the power curve. But who ever gets 100 shots over 400 f.p.s. with a blowback pistol? You usually get in the high 200 f.p.s. range on guns that deliver that many shots and also blowback.

So, you can figure on shooting five full magazines per cartridge. Of course, Mac was waiting 10 to 15 seconds between his shots to let the temperature normalize. Shoot faster, and you’ll get fewer shots at lower velocity.

The trigger-pull is estimated at 10-12 lbs. My gauge doesn’t read that high. So, double-action shooting requires very deliberate aiming to realize any accuracy.

Important note
Recently, we’ve looked at several BB pistols, and they’ve all had some unique features. But they also have had prices well over $100. The SA 177 sells for roughly half that much, so consider that when you evaluate this gun. Next time, we’ll look at accuracy.

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Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier)
Tom Gaylord, also known as B.B. Pelletier, provides expert insights to airgunners all over the world on behalf of Pyramyd AIR. He has earned the title The Godfather of Airguns™ for his contributions to the industry, spending many years with AirForce Airguns and starting magazines dedicated to the sport such as Airgun Illustrated.

62 thoughts on “Umarex SA 177 – Part 2”

  1. Excellent article. There is one thing that has always bothered me though. I only shoot pistols, why would anyone pay the same if not more for a bb pistol than a pellet pistol with more power. Just something I’ve always wondered about but never asked.


  2. So is it semi auto or does the trigger losad and cock the gun?

    I’m not a fan of bb pistols, but if it’s semi auto and had a better trigger pull, I’d probably check one out. Reminds me of a springfield pistol, is that why it’s called SA? Good performance and shot count.

    Glad to hear your are doing better BB. Iv’e been working a lot and paying off a lot of bills. It’s always something.


  3. Hello BB:
    Getting back behind the wheel will sure boost your confidence mate.
    A good wife,a good gun,and a good Pick up truck.What else does a guy need?
    Ok,a good gun and a pick up truck would do,but you know what I mean. 🙂
    Of course I am only joking.
    Edith has been a real star throughout the recent trials and tribulations,you both make a great team.
    I wish my wife would understand my love of airguns and how I managed to blow a 2″ lump of UPVC off the back kitchen door with my rifle at the weekend.
    Note:(Ryan,it was a Coppa point did it)
    I did a rebuild on my rifle after a service.
    I didn’t add any new mods to the internals but my Son in Law Simon gave me an old Silencer from his PCP.
    Without losing the foresight I have about just over a third of an inch muzzle to attach the silencer to.
    I made up an adaptor and fixed the silencer on.
    I did a test shot through my 50′ indoor/outdoor range.
    The wind caught the door you see and it started to close as I fired but I think the silencer may have diverted the flight of the pellet as well possibly.
    All tests were suspended while I rapidly set about fixing the door before my wife found out.
    I did a good fix though.Phew.
    It is these little moments I would like to share with my missus but can’t.
    Fear mainly 🙂

    • Dave,

      Your misadventure reminds me of when I shot a hole in the couch. I used to shoot from the master bedroom through the living room and into the garage. That gave me a 23-yard indoor range. But while testing a Tech Force 99, I missed the point of aim by 4 inches and got the couch. We still have that couch, with the back covered by a throw (Afgan).

      I immediately told Edith Since we both work at home I had little option. She didn’t blame me, nor ask me to stop using that range. Over the years she has been incredibly forgiving about pellet holes in the walls of my office. And I fix them as soon as possible to keep the reminders down.


    • Dave…
      If you follow some of the airgun websites here, you would think that shooting holes in windows, chronographs, and rear view mirrors is our national passtime.


      • BB and twotalon:
        Talk about mixed emotions.
        “Cool,I got the silencer to fit 🙂 Oh No what have I done 🙁 Wow,look at that hole it made 🙂 when’s my wife back home 🙁 ”

    • C-S:
      Very good C-S :)thank you.
      I only shoot when I have the house to myself normally.
      That way,whatever happens on the range,stays on the range 🙂

      • Dave -Nick Sloter is kinda of national hero in Serbia so much so that band that sang a song about him “Atheist Rap” last year have bring Rob Stewart to Serbia!He is making documentary about contry and his adopted brother have serbian origin as he have said 🙂

  4. Good morning B.B.,

    Glad to hear that you’re becoming mobile again. Isn’t it great to be getting out and about again! 100 shots before falling off the power curve. If I was a pistol guy, one would be on its way to my door as we speak. However, I’m two houses off East West Highway, and would end up meeting the PG County Swat Team under very unfavorable terms. Have a wonderful day.

    Mr B.

  5. Cost rikib.
    My boys both have b.b. pistols (Elite II and PPK/S). Whilst I am faily frugal with the pellets for my CP99…they just want to get out there and bang away. Copperheads are nearly 1/10 the cost of RWS Hobby’s (for example)…so in the long run b.b.’s are way cheaper, even if a good gun costs a bit of money.

  6. For anyone keeping score: I am able to make new tabs or new windows now, but they still don’t work automatically like they used to with either IE8 or Firefox. Both browsers are updated to the most current versions.

    Now, I found I can right click on a link and manually specify, in a popup window, if I want a new tab or a new window. I have tried changing the options settings in both browsers but they don’t change the way new tabs or new windows operate. I’m completely baffled. I feel like I’m the only one having this problem since no one else is commiserating with me.

    Rikib, did you commiserate with me on this once? Maybe I’m not totally alone, I just have a poor memory. I know, Edith, you say yours is working but I don’t know if you means automatically or if you have to manually make a choice each time, too.

    You said you downloaded a spellchecker for IE8 (memory barely working now). Where did you get it and did you have to install it as an add on or did it install itself into IE8?


    • CJr,

      I have not had any of the issues you have. I use Safari as my default browser on my Mac. I’ve used Firefox to see if I have the same issues you’re experiencing, but I don’t.


      • I just installed Safari on my computer and it works the same way as IE8 and Firefox. I do not automatically get a new window or tab when I click on a link. I have to make a manual choice. In the case of safari it’s made simpler by just holding down the Ctrl key when I click on a link. Otherwise, every link opens in the same window or tab and I have to use the back/forward button to navigate.

        I realize this is not a software problem/operation blog so from now on I’ll try to restrict myself to airgun issues 🙂

    • CJr,
      Haven’t found a reasonable solution to the problem we are experiencing. I’m still trying different things occasionally, nothing yet. The spell checker is called “Tiny Spell”, it is not an add-on to IE8. It works within all your programs from what I have found. I’ve been using it for almost 9 months on two computers that run security software and have not found any problems. You do have to get the spelling close though 😉


      • rikib,
        I have switched to Safari and it has good feed display and a spell checker. Sometimes in Safari on other sites it opens a new window and sometimes not but it never does in the PA RSS feed. I still think it’s a programmer thing.

        • CJr,
          Okay, I did just find one thing that may help. Right click on “Reply” select “Open New Window”. You can then resize the window and have them overlay, if you know what I mean. One you are working in one you are viewing. Hope this helps, that is as far as I have got so far.


            • CJr
              Sorry to have been of no help 😉 . I believe that what you are describing is opening a new “tab”, at least that is what it does on my computer. I’m still switching back and forth between IE8 and Safari right now depending on what I’m doing on the net. My IE8 security software is not compatible with Safari unfortunately.


    • Chuck,

      I’m just now catching up, but for what it’s worth, my browsing behavior has always mirrored your stated results. When you’ve said clicking on the comment link opened a new window, I tried it, and mine did too. When you’ve said it didn’t open a new window, neither did mine. I have no earthly idea why the exact same action has produced differing results. This is while using the same browser (IE8) and RSS reader (Google Reader), not changing any settings in IE8, not getting any IE or Windows updates, and not doing anything abnormal with my temp files/history/cookies. Very, very strange indeed.

      Tonight, clicking on a comment in Google Reader opens a new window. Like you said, sometimes it does and other times it doesn’t (and again, your results always seem to correspond with mine). However, here are three comment-clicking methods that I have noticed always produce consistent results in IE8 with Google Reader…

      1. Holding down the Ctrl key while left clicking opens a new tab, but does not auto-scroll to the selected comment (the scrollbar remains at the top of the page).
      2. Holding down the Shift key while left clicking opens a new window, but does not auto-scroll to the selected comment.
      3. Holding down the Ctrl and Shift keys while left-clicking opens a new tab, and does auto scroll to the selected comment, but the focus remains on the old tab. This is the method I use for opening comments when they’re not automatically creating new windows, since the only extra step is clicking over to the new tab.

      Other than tonight, I have not tried right clicking and selecting the Open in New Tab or Open in New Window options. However, tonight these options both worked fine, and both took me right to the selected comment.

      On spell checkers… I usually start off in the comment box, but if my response is at all lengthy, I end up copying it into a Word document to check for grammar/spelling errors. Then I find 15 more things I want to edit before copying it back into the comment box. The upside of using Word as an editor is that if you accidently change web pages, your work is not hopelessly lost.

      – Orin

    • I may have answered this yesterday, but electrons are cheap. The Izzy’s bore is a bit tight, so I have switched from R-10 light to H&N Match Pistol (light) with a 4.49mm head size. It’s easier to load and more accurate with the smaller head.

      Note: if your Izzy is not tight with a full 4.50mm or larger head, then R-10 pistol will do.

      PA may not sell the H&N Match with sized heads; if not, Champions Choice markets the pellets under their own brand name. Sized heads are rapidly disappearing from the market, which is a shame because they make a significant grouping difference when you get the right size. My rifle likes 4.51mm R-10 heavies, and I haven’t been able to find them in a long time.

      • I appreciate your response but was wondering what BB thought. Does he not respond to questions anymore? I’m new to this but have read his opinion in previous posts.


        • Doug,

          As stated in today’s blog, B.B. is online about 3 hours a day. For quite some time, we’ve asked our regular blog readers who are knowledgable and experienced to help answer blog questions. Pete Zimmerman is definitely one of the good guys who knows his stuff. When B.B. has a chance to sit at his desk again, he’ll provide an answer to your question if he feels there’s anything he can add to Pete’s response. If not, then Pete probably answered it the same as B.B. would have…or even better 🙂


    • Doug,

      Pete gave a good solid answer on which pellet to use. I have always been one to test them all and then decide. And I never test in a vise.

      I test while shooting for record, because I have found I can evaluate pellets much more exactly that way. A vise only tells me how the pellet shoots when the gun is held rigid. I want to know how it shoots when held by flesh and blood. There is a difference.

      And don’t forget to test the full range of Vogle pellets (head sizes). Get them from Pilkguns.com.


  7. I put a latch on the door leading to the basement. Now when I shoot indoors, I lock that door just incase someone comes home or downstairs while shooting airguns. At my freinds house, we use a vacant field where we have marked off yardages up to 150 yards. The is one spot for 200 if we can get a pellet to hit at that distance.

    100 yards is nearly impossible for hunting with my equipment, but for large targets it’s a lot of fun. As for .22LR….it’s awsome.

  8. B.B., glad you’re getting around. I suspect you have a temperament that will allow you to improve rapidly with activity.

    BB guns are nice mechanisms though I haven’t found a reason to prefer them over pellet guns. If I did, though, my first purchase would be a Red Ryder. The blog comments are moving me there.

    All, I took out my Anschutz for the first time this weekend, and I thought I would let you know what it was like from the Olympian heights of this rifle. 🙂 Shooting at 50 yards off a rest, it was terrific: great trigger, great fit. Groups were easily on a level with the Savage 10FP with a scope although not substantially better. I must admit that the aperture sights with the concentric circles took some getting used to. They remind me of an arcade game I played as a kid called The Red Baron. I had thought that with the post and notch iron sights of my airguns, the post and ring sights of my M1, and the crosshair reticles of my scopes that I would be ready for anything. However, all of them, in different ways, have to do with focusing on a single spot whereas the concentric circles seem to require interpreting an area–specifically judging the thickness of a band between the bull and the front sight ring. I also was not too good about keeping the front and rear sights lined up. In part, I was relying on Jeff Cooper’s theory that if you focus on the front sight, the rear sight (at least with a large ghost ring) will line up automatically, but that was not always the case. Maybe BG_Farmer is right about the higher skills of using iron sights.

    Anyway, I can also strongly recommend getting official scoring targets with assigned points. It is nice to know exactly where you stand with each shot. The bulls were also encouragingly large. I was using the A-23 official NRA target for 50 yards and the 10 ring was a little under 2 MOA. Many of my groups were not impressive in terms of MOA, but once I got dialed in, my last round of 20 shots cleaned the target. (Granted shooting from position would be a little tougher.) Anyway, shooting groups to the standards of airguns seems like a great preparation for competitive rimfire shooting. Standing was a little sobering. The pattern of the sight picture interfered with my approach method. However, almost all my shots were in the black, and there were none that completely scratched.

    Get yourselves a spotting scope!!!! This was my first time out with my gorgeous BSA spotting scope and, boy, did it make a difference. I had considered spotting scopes a luxury before but not so. I have one with the 45 degree angled body (which I recommend) and I only had to swivel my head to get instant feedback on each shot. I credit the scope with a very good showing with my M1. Before, I would shoot off a clip, then lower the rifle and pick up my Savage 10FP and look through its scope which was draining and inconvenient. With the aid of the spotting scope, I shot 6 into an inch at 50 yards–just like a TX200 with a scope. A spotting scope also allows you to surreptitiously observe your fellow shooters. With the the M1, I was shooting at least equally to the fellow at the next position using an AR-15 in .308 with a scope. He he.

    The time came to mount my wonderful new Centerpoint 4-16X44mm scope on my Anschutz and really achieve something phenomenal. However, here is where things began to go wrong. First, the Allen wrench for mounting the scope on the rail went missing from its plastic case. I emptied my considerable amount of gear from my bag and discovered that the upholstery on the inside could be removed via Velcro straps. After some minutes of rooting around, I finally found the wrench wedged into a seam. While mounting the scope, one of the four Allen screws fell completely out taking with it a small metal piece about the width of an eraser head for locking the screw on. I desperately kept my eye on the screw as if fell into the dirt among spent casings and garbage, however, the separate piece went bouncing off the concrete table in a different direction. ARGGHHH. After 20 minutes of sifting through the dirt, I was ready to quit when I made a desperate intuitive search five yards away and found it. Oh joy, now I was ready to go. However, my first shot was about four feet to the right. I dialed away with the turret but could not get closer than four inches right before running out of adjustment. At first, I thought that the scope was bad, but the range officer suggested that the mount was incompatible. Anyone ever heard of such a thing? The scope is good quality as well as the mount. Even with different manufacturing tolerances, how could they be that far off at 50 yards? Anyway, I’m not willing to give up on my wonderful Centerpoint scope, so I ordered some Leapers mounts and we will see what happens. My few shots with the scope were tantalizing with the rounds were going through the same hole but I couldn’t give it a full test.

    I also wrung out the Ruger Single Six and put about 20 shots into 9 inches at 25 yards. That’s much better than I’ve ever done with a .45 ACP at that distance, so I can recommend the Single Six to anyone.

    I’ve ordered goggles over glasses for both my parents and we’ll see how they work out. Creepy to think how vulnerable they were wearing only sunglasses at the range.


    • Matt,
      Sounds like you had range day similar to my first for the year. Remind me not to go shooting with you – between the two of us, based on our range experiences, it would look like a Keystone Cops, Marx Bros and the Three Stooges rolled up into one movie.

      Did you try to turn your “defective mount” around 180, if that’s possible, to see if it helped?

      I bought a cheap electronic ear protection headset for range work. They work terrific except for a couple problems. One problem is that they make you sweat in hot weather. The other is they can interfere with your cheek weld. They do a fantastic job of blocking out gun shots and allowing you to talk normal at the same time. They can even amplify sound a bit for those who have difficulty hearing.

      Thanks for the tip on the spotting scope. I’ve been thinking about them. Do you recommend a specific spec? 30x, 40x 50x…etc.?

    • Matt,
      You had all the toys out, sounds like fun.

      I’ve rarely seen affordable 2-piece scope mounts that didn’t require some jiggering. Re-center the scope (optically) and try turning one or both rings around (as Chuck already suggested) and/or switching from front to back if possible. If you can see the scope pointing to one side or the other, keep switching things around until you fix the problem or run out of combinations:). Sad but true; I’ve heard they put some runout in the rings to account for misaligned bases (or dovetails), but I don’t know if that’s true or not.

      When I’m sighting in a new scope, I like to pull the bolt out and look through the barrel (not claiming credit for the idea, its called “bore sighting”:)), then — without moving the rifle — move the crosshair to the bullseye with the scope knobs. It will be close in windage, and quite a bit off in elevation, but you should be on paper, at 50 yards — and even 100 is viable; gives you a quick start. You can get even closer in elevation with a little calculation, but its more trouble than its worth to me.

      Last week I had some real fun shooting my ML’er — it was one of those days where my offhand shooting was good enough to fine tune the sights at 25 yards — I would tap the sight (that’s the adjustment:)), then shoot and it would be exactly where I thought it should be. Felt good — then I humbled myself by going to 50:).

      • Chuck, I try so hard…. but these goofy things keep happening. 🙂 I must admit hunting in the dirt did not sort with my new power persona on the range where I am calling the cease-fires and instructing the novices on how to mount their targets and casually answering questions about my fantastic new rifle. 🙂

        For spotting scopes, I have a 20-60X. I was all set to crank up to maximum power and make the most of my new capability, but at 50 yards, 20X was plenty for seeing bullet holes against both a black and white background, and you want some field of view to orient your scope–the better to survey your fellow-shooters. This is my first outing with a BSA product, and I am impressed with both the price and performance.

        Thank you both for the great suggestions about the mounts. Hope has reappeared and dampened my impulse to send everything back for a replacement. It comes back to me now about reversing the rings. I do like that better than the range officer’s suggestion to shim the mounts which I don’t care to do for an expensive set-up like this. I guess I had a run of good luck with my scopes and mounts so I hadn’t paid much attention to blog discussions about these problems. That’s also a great idea about bore sighting which will save me another range trip, but I will have to be discreet about doing this out of my apartment window….


  9. Matt61,

    Wonderful tale. Thanks!

    I started out with concentric circle sights, and can’t do for xxxx with post and notch sights on a rifle. The “Russian book” (Yur’ Yev) has a good bit of insight into competition sights with recommendations on how to size the ring in the sight to fit the bull and your own reflexes. In short a larger ring and aperture is better than a tighter one because it induces a certain calm. You aren’t trying to make micro corrections to keep the bull centered inside a very narrow ring of light.

    • Pete, thanks for mentioning the Russian book again. I was meaning to look it up, but by the time I got around to it, I couldn’t find your reference on the blog. Is Yur’ Yev the full name of the author? What about the title? Both David Tubb and Nancy Tompkins come down on the side of large apertures so our Russian friend is in the consensus whatever his reason. As an aside, the Russian commandos who do Systema are always talking about having a calm mind.


  10. BG_Farmer, I forgot to add that’s nice shooting with the muzzle-loader. I wasn’t feeling anything like confident with my offhand shooting yesterday.


  11. Good evening guys i have a question that bothers me i can t quite understand why heavier pellets goes bellow the target and lighter over(off course if scope is adjust to one type of pellets),i thought that must be becouse of scope but even with mechanical sights -same thing i dont seems to have this problem with 17 cal every pellet ,every brand and weight goes to center why than in 22 cal ??

  12. BB / EDITH

    Re: Walther Lever Action

    I have noticed that the various iterations of these rifles are slowly being “discontinued” on various airgun sites, including PA. (only the blued, un-scoped version is in stock on the PA site as of today)

    At the same time, the Umarex Germany website show a new version of this same rifle which (now) has an 88 gram Co2 cylinder in the butt-stock. It also shows the rifle with a thicker/different butt-plate and a tool for tightening and removing the Co2 cylinder as well as a “key” that unlocks the butt-plate.

    All this seems very interesting and… I am wondering if this is the replacement for the (slowly) disappearing current model with the 2 X 12 gram Co2 device?

    As much as I want to buy that Lever Action, I’m not sure that I want to buy a (potentially) discontinued gun.

    Any info from you guys or others will be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks as usual,

      • BB

        True enough! Ah, to have a NEW Whiscombe!

        Generally, would you view the 88 gram set-up as an improvement (other than the obvious shot count) over the 2X 12 gram device? My only experience with the 88 gram cylinders is my old AS392 and it definitely likes some cylinders better than others (mfg tolerance of the threads and the sealing surface shape). I do know that my AS392 gets a lot of shots on low power. I’m guessing that this new Walther will do the same on the 88 gram? 300 shots maybe?

        • Brian,

          Here’s an example of what I got from my 1077AS with a brand new 88g cartridge in a single shooting session. I know different guns will produce different results, but hopefully this will help portray the relative pressure curve of the 88g cartridge. I waited at least 15 seconds between shots…

          103 total shots >600 FPS (98 consecutive shots >600 FPS)
          55 total shots 500-600 FPS
          57 total shots 400-500 FPS
          57 total shots 300-400 FPS
          272 total shots >300 FPS

          I stopped counting at 300 FPS. It took 8 initial 500-600 FPS shots to build up to the >600 FPS string. These initial 8 shots were not tallied in the breakdown.

          Hope this helps.

          – Orin

  13. Has anybody ever restored a Sheridan Blue Streak? I estimate mine to have been made between 1964 and 1971. I don’t know what was originally used to blue the barrel (which is brass) and the pump tube (which is brass also) Could regular blueing liquid like Birchwood Casey Perma Blue be used? The existing blueing is in extremely rough shape, so the entire action would have to be re-blued. Thanks for your help.

    • pbandj,

      Your Blue Streak isn’t blued–it’s painted. And repainting is what restorers do. The metal haas to be stripped and completely re-sprayed.

      Cold blue solutions aren’t made for brass. They work on steel, only.


    • pbandj
      As BB said, brass won’t react with conventional blueing solutions made for carbon steel. I have painted my Benji EB 22 pistol by completely stripping down, cleaning/ removing all paint and oils, polishing as needed, primer painting followed by several top-coats of black.

      Get ready for some detailed and time consuming work but… the end product is well worth it. The tough part is finding a very oil resistant top coat of paint in a spray can applicator.

      Typically, paint over brass does not last very long, the nature of brass is to resist coatings except for those that are chemically applied.

  14. Matt61

    Thanks for the story. Your tale of woe makes me feel better about my own comical foibles. Argh, that’s life. I remember an airport fiasco story you wrote awhile back. That one took the cake.

    I can’t tell you how many times mountain bike rides have been cut short by catastrophic failures (mine or others). Once I was going up a trail and my front wheel kicked up a stick which fell down into my rear wheel spokes, up and around and ripped off the rear derailleur. A replacement was $120. I wanted to downgrade but no one had that part in stock and it was still $85 anyway. So I buy the darn derailleur and the very next ride, the VERY same thing happened!! MTBing makes airguns look like a cheap hobby.

    We better not ever meet each other. Disaster would ensue.

    • Slinging Lead
      How about aluminum sheet (stamped) wheel covers? Two halves that can be bolted thru from side to side out at the edge of the rim? The extra weight (not much) shouldn’t be a Mountain bike issue?

  15. BB/Edith,

    Is this Leapers Red Dot rated for springers (possibly for TX200)?

    The description doesn’t say it is or not.

    • tdung,

      Leapers builds all their optics for spring guns. And there aren’t many guns as easy on optics as a TX. So the answer is yes.

      Besides, the warranty is bulletproof. Remember, any scope can break! Just look at my Bushnell Trophy that got creamed by the Webley Patriot a couple of weeks ago.


  16. tdung
    My BSA red dot was was killed by my IZh Baikal 61! It just died after about 300 shots or so. It was really nice while it lasted though. BSA as well as Leapers make very good cheap springer scopes I don’t know though, if they have tranfered their quality to red dot scopes!

  17. Can anyone say whether the trigger on this bb gun “feels” the same or similar to the Glock trigger? If so, it sounds like this bb gun would be a great gun to train with if you have a real Glock and want to practice at home.

    • Kman,

      The SA 177 trigger has the two trigger blades like a Glock — the “safety” blade and the main. So in the sense of takeup, yes, the pull is similar. But the pull weight is 1.5 times a factory Glock pull and 2X an aftermarket trigger job.


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    It's important to know that due to state and local laws, there are certain restrictions for various products. It's up to you to research and comply with the laws in your state, county, and city. If you live in a state or city where air guns are treated as firearms you may be able to take advantage of our FFL special program.

    U.S. federal law requires that all airsoft guns are sold with a 1/4-inch blaze orange muzzle or an orange flash hider to avoid the guns being mistaken for firearms.

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  • Expert Service and Repair

    Get the most out of your equipment when you work with the expert technicians at Pyramyd AIR. With over 25 years of combined experience, we offer a range of comprehensive in-house services tailored to kickstart your next adventure.

    If you're picking up a new air gun, our team can test and tune the equipment before it leaves the warehouse. We can even set up an optic or other equipment so you can get out shooting without the hassle. For bowhunters, our certified master bow technicians provide services such as assembly, optics zeroing, and full equipment setup, which can maximize the potential of your purchase.

    By leveraging our expertise and precision, we ensure that your equipment is finely tuned to meet your specific needs and get you ready for your outdoor pursuits. So look out for our services when shopping for something new, and let our experts help you get the most from your outdoor adventures.

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  • Warranty Info

    Shop and purchase with confidence knowing that all of our air guns (except airsoft) are protected by a minimum 1-year manufacturer's warranty from the date of purchase unless otherwise noted on the product page.

    A warranty is provided by each manufacturer to ensure that your product is free of defect in both materials and workmanship.

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  • Exchanges / Refunds

    Didn't get what you wanted or have a problem? We understand that sometimes things aren't right and our team is serious about resolving these issues quickly. We can often help you fix small to medium issues over the phone or email.

    If you need to return an item please read our return policy.

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