by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier
Benjamin Cayden sidelever repeater.
This report covers:
- The test
- Adjusting the power
- DonnyFL Ronin silencer
- Velocity on high power
- Velocity on medium power
- Velocity on low power
- The trigger
- Crosman Premiers
- Shot count
- Summary
This was a fun test because the Benjamin Cayden gives me lots of things to do. Some, like adjustable power, are things I have dealt with in the past and I’ve figured out good ways to handle them. Others, like the sound of the unmoderated gun firing, are not things I usually deal with. And I have a new sound meter to collect data on that! Let’s get right into the test.
The test
Since the Cayden has adjustable power I thought I would test it with a single pellet and the setting on high, medium and low. That would give us a good idea about the power range as well as the stability at all power ranges. I will also keep track of the reservoir pressure and try to get a shot count, though. as we go.
Adjusting the power
When I got the rifle the power was set high, but not as high as it will go. That was the first thing to do and I discovered that the power adjustment knob doesn’t stick out far enough for me to adjust the power. It’s too close to the wood in the stock for me to get a hold on it, and it turns with some resistance. I had to use the needle-nosed pliers on my Gerber Crucial multi-tool. I worked as carefully as I know how but of course I scratched some of the finish on the knob and the surrounding wood. I set the power as high as it will go and loaded the 12-shot rotary magazine with 10 JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy pellets. These 18.13-grain pellets seem ideal for the Cayden’s power level. There are no detents in the power adjustment knob, so the settings can be set wherever you like between both limits.
The first shot was fired with the rifle exactly as it came from the box. All I did was fill it to 3,000 psi, load the magazine and start shooting. I set my smart phone with the sound meter app up three feet to the left of the muzzle and fired. The sound was loud for sure, but not as loud as I had been anticipating. I would rate it a 4.2 on the 5-point Pyramyd AIR noise scale. My sound meter recorded it as 108 dB.
The Cayden I am testing came with straight grain. It’s still handsome! To attach a silencer the muzzle brake must be removed.
The full-power shot registered 108 dB on my sound meter 3 feet from the muzzle.
DonnyFL Ronin silencer
Cameron Brinkerhoff of AirForce Airguns loaned me a DonnyFL Ronin silencer to use with the Cayden. It’s 2-inches in diameter and 6.5 inches long. The rifle looks different with it installed.
As you see, the DonnyFL Ronin silencer is large. And it works!
With the silencer installed, the muzzle report from the Cayden on full power was 85.6 dB. That’s a 22.4 dB reduction, which is about what a normal silencer can do. But the Cayden isn’t that loud to begin with, and at 85.6 it’s quieter than most lower-powered breakbarrel spring rifles. It turns the Cayden into a suburban back yard air rifle. On lower power it is even quieter, and we will soon see what we get with lower power.
With the DonnyFL silencer installed the report was quieted to 85.6 dB.
Velocity on high power
Let’s see what this Cayden rifle gives us. Ten of the JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy pellets averaged 857 f.p.s. The spread went from a low of 850 to a high of 865 f.p.s. That’s a difference of 15 f.p.s., which isn’t bad! At the average velocity this pellet generates 29.57 foot-pounds of muzzle energy.
Velocity on medium power
Next I turned the power down to about halfway between low and high. At that setting ten of the same JSB Jumbo Heavy pellets averaged 715 f.p.s. The low was 703 and the high was 724 so the spread was 21 f.p.s. It’s still close enough for good accuracy at targets out to 35 yards, at least. At the average velocity the pellet generates 20.59 foot-pounds at the muzzle.
Velocity on low power
Next I dialed the power to as low as it would go. That still required my needle-nosed pliers. The lowest setting the same JSB pellet averaged 432 f.p.s. The spread ranged from 405 to a high of 444 f.p.s. which is 39 f.p.s. difference. That will work for close-in targets, but beyond 20 yards or so you might want to set the power a little higher. At the average velocity the pellet now produces 7.51 foot-pounds at the muzzle. That is a broad range of adjustability! At the end of this test the reservoir that started at 3,000 psi registered 2,500 psi.
The trigger
First I must remark that the safety DOES NOT set automatically. Thank you, Crosman, for that! Secondly, the safety is very easy to operate with the trigger finger. It’s exactly what I want to see on a hunting air rifle.
Next, I played with the trigger some without firing the rifle before this test started. I was prepared not to like it and to dive into all the adjustments. But there aren’t any, other than the location of the curved trigger shoe can be swiveled around the trigger post.
The trigger shoe can be rotated after loosening a small Allen screw on the opposite side.
The trigger is two-stage. The first stage is very short and stage two that was creepy during my evaluation before this test has transformed into a crisp 2 lbs. 13 oz. break.
Actually there is one unannounced trigger adjustment. I found out about it too late to get it into this report, but I will look at it for you in the next report.
More velocity testing
To this point I had fired 30 shots — 10 at each power setting. I wanted to test a different pellet on high power but was the rifle still shooting as powerfully as before? I shot one more JSB Jumbo Heavy pellet at it went out at 861 f.p.s. That’s spot on!
Crosman Premiers
I now loaded 10 Crosman Premiers into the magazine and fired a string. They averaged 946 f.p.s. The low was 939 and the high was 952 f.p.s. That’s a spread of 13 f.p.s. At the average velocity this 14.3-grain pellet produced 28.42 foot-pounds at the muzzle.
Shot count
The pressure in the reservoir now reads 2,200 psi. That should be close to the point that the rifle needs to be refilled. So I shot another string of JSB 18.13-grain pellets on high power to see where things were. Let’s look at it.
Shot……….Vel.
1……….….852
2……….….855
3……….….852
4……….….850
5…….…….854
6……….….852
7……….….847
8…….…….845
9……….….842
10…………839
11………….833
12………….834
The Cayden has fallen off the power curve at shot 7. I didn’t tell you that I also fired two blank shots on high power to measure the trigger pull. So, on this fill, doing all we have done, the Cayden has given us 54 shots.
Summary
The first thing I need to tell you is the power adjustmernt knob hasa freed up. It did so after the first 30 shots. It’s still not easy, but I no longer need tools.
We are not finished with the velocity test. Part 3 will be a continuation, because there is a lot to learn about this rifle. How large a pellet can be shot? What is the most power we can get? How slow can it shoot and still keep the shots under a 30 f.p.s. spread? Stay tuned.
BB,
I’ve built an airgun that shoots cotton swabs consistently using drinking straws, party balloon, wooden peg and etc… The prototype shoots over 5 meters with determination. Addictive! Everyone can built it. Fun / Funny. Nifhtiesh…??? Does it meet the requirements of your design contest?
Fish,
Submit it and find out.
B.B.
BB,
How do I summit it? Upload a photo?
Fish,
You email it to blogger@pyramydair.com with pix, or you put it into a comment here.
BB
BB,
Have you thought of giving us another week or so? I’m just putting it out there. Maybe more people would like to join the contest if more time was available.
Fish,
I’ll consider it.
BB
Fish,
I am at loss,… without ripping something off,… off of YouTube or the likes.
Chris
Chris,
U can do it. Don’t look at YT videos. Just look around the house and put something together. This is fun. Come on! If BB gives us another week, I’m planning to submit an upgrade to my hideous prototype. I bet somebody thought of what I designed somewhere at some point. But doesn’t matter, because some detail on mine will make it original. I tried to keep it under 10 bucks and noticed that the sky was still the limit.
Fish,
I appreciate the words of encouragement and the kick in the “arse”. 😉
🙂 Chris
B.B.,
I sort of wonder why they would place a power adjustable knob that could be easily turned in the field where it would be least desirable. Then again that is just my thought.
Siraniko
PS: Section More velocity testing 1st paragraph 2nd sentence, “I wanted to test a different pellet on high power but was the riufle (rifle) still shooting as powerfully as before?”
Siraniko,
Fixed it. Thanks,
BB
This could very well be the best Crosman. Turks build great guns.
Fish
From what BB describes about the trigger I would say the Marauders trigger has it beat.
And I like that the Marauder has a shroud instead of a moderator or screw on silencer. Much better that the Marauder has the shrouding for places were they don’t allow silencers.
Also the Marauder has 3 different adjustments to tune the gun with. I believe the gun BB is testing only has 2 things that can be adjusted to tune the gun.
And we will have to see how accurate the gun is that BB is testing. But the .177 and .25 caliber Marauders are pretty accurate.
So to me I would not say that this is the best gun that Crosman has made. Its probably going to be good. But nope not the best.
I would pick Cayden over Marauder. My decision has been made.
Fish
Why?
Unless BB finds some undeniable design flaws, which I don’t think it’ll happen, Cayden is the winner for me. This rifle is distinguished by particularly high-quality workmanship, which is important for me.
Fish
We will see.
And your not thinking about accuracy?
What about parts availability if the gun breaks?
I’ve seen it already; I’ve tried both Kral and Marauder. The only thing I wanna know is what Crosman asked Kral to do differently. It’s hopefully some sort of positive improvement, not some cost cuts – that we’ll see.
Kral is very accurate. Accuracy depends on many factors other than the gun. Unless it is all over the place, it’s good for me.
I think Kral is here to stay, so I have no worries with parts availability.
Fish
But better than a Marauder.
I’m just not seeing it. It’s already behind the Marauder with the things I mentioned.
But everyone has their own opinion.
Not my own opinion, my own experience. This is not the Kral I tried of course, but I assume it’s pretty much the same or even better. Using a silencer on this rifle is a mistake. The Kral I tried had no noice reducer built on the barrel – like Cayden. I think a plain barrel increases the accuracy.
Fish
How about this. Your (opinion) of your experiance.
And don’t agree with you that a plain barrel increases accuracy. Done did those tests.
Now I will say that I like the stock on the gun BB is testing more than the stock on the Marauder.
But to me you get a better gun for the price with the Marauder than the gun BB is testing.
And I have to stress that I like the adjustability of the Marauder trigger. It does make a difference and it is very nice trigger. Also again the tunability of the Marauder that being the transfer port adjustment, the striker stroke adjustment and the striker spring adjustment.
Also the fact that there is so much aftermarket stuff available for the Marauder it ain’t funny.
And those are some of the reasons I think the Marauder would be a better choice of the 2 guns.
And that’s my (opinion) of my experience with the Marauders I have had.
No, I’d still say just experience, no opinions.
I still think noise suspensors and such have tad bit negative effect on accuracy.
Yeah, stock on Cayden is state of the art.
I was very happy with the Kral trigger that I didn’t care for any better. so I’m good on that matter.
I have zero interest in aftermarket stuff.
Especially for the price, Kral is the winner, I still think.
Fish
Yep the Marauder and alot of other Crosman/Benjaman pcp’s, pump guns and Co2 guns are a modders gun.
And when I seen Crosman was getting ready to release these Kral guns I thought I wanted one until I learned more about them. Just to much money for the features they have. If they was a couple hundred dollars cheaper I would possibly try one out.
To me they are trying to act like they are high end guns. But they aren’t.
But then again I guess they will fit in with the Maximus and Fortitude with how they kept the plain trigger assembly’s on them. Marauder is above those two guns also.
If the Marauder had a better stock to me it would be a way better gun than the Crosman Kral gun.
I just can’t see spending the money for it when the Marauder is there for the same money or less.
It’s just the way I see it adding up.
And thinking more. Why not just go buy the Kral gun instead of the gun BB is testing?
I kinda had thought like you until I held a Kral in my hands. I was able to hit the same hole over and over again from some significant distance. It was different, better than anything I tried before. I’m sorry I liked it better than Marauder. 🙂 I dunno, maybe I got a good one to try – like that Avenger BB tested.
The Kral’s PCPs avaliable here in the US all come with noice reducers. Cayden doesn’t; that makes enough reason for people who doesn’t care for silence.
Fish,
My .25 Red Wolf does better with the Hugget moderator on. My .22 Maximus Hunter version does better with a baffle insert unit on. Better than a 35$ stripper and better than the stock thread protector.
I would not just write off silencers all together. I will say though,… the 3 options on the Maximus all changed POI to some degree. I attribute that to barrel vibration variance and any slight bend of the barrel. Maybe? air turbulence variation.
Another tip on silencers is to get the next caliber up from what you are putting it on. (get a .25 for a .22 for example). Very little if any difference in sound reduction and you will reduce any chance for pellet clipping.
Chris
(out of room/reply. start at bottom if replying)
Fish
What gets me though is the Kral sell for a bit over a $100 cheaper than the Crosman gun.
To me its going to be tuff for Crosman to sell them when the Kral are cheaper and they have the Marauder also.
Heck they have the semi auto Marauders coming out supposedly pretty soon.
All I can say is Time Will Tell.
Fish
Here check this out.
How does the Crosman Kral stand a chance.
/product/kral-puncher-np-03-pcp-carbine-synthetic-stock?m=4774
GF1,
Crosman did not make it, Kral did. They just put their name on it.
RR
Yep I know.
RR,
I didn’t particularly know this but kinda guessed. Many details on Cayden look very similar with Kral’s new models. I wonder what Crosman asked them to do differently – otherwise we’ll be better of with a Kral.
Fish,
Probably. Such was / is with Hatsan building Webley airguns. Webley had Hatsan take over building their airguns, but I guess to make it financially worthwhile, though they are nothing more than dressed up Hatsans, they are using parts for the Webleys they would reject for their own.
I know. I have a Webley/Hatsan Tomahawk. If I had purchased it for what Webley was forcing the dealers to sell it for, I would have returned it for a refund. As it is, it is a great deal for what I paid for it. 🙂
I always become leery when a “famous” company rebrands a product. I will take an HW95 over a Beeman R9, most especially nowadays. As for the “Diana” airguns coming out of China, not me.
I think Hatsan has come a long way since its early Webley days. With Hatsan and Kral, every new product they bring to the market is better than the previous. There are also dozens of other Turkish airgun brands, which we probably won’t see them here any time soon – ex: https://www.ataarms.com/en/airborne. They all look great. Those airguns have good future here in the US market as they deliver quality, power and beauty at a reasonable price. I’m talking about PCP hunting air rifles of course. American airgun hunters love power and good lookings, especially if they come with a good price.
The R9 / 95 situation is a completely different matter; I’d recommend R9 for warranty reasons. Diana has been breaking my heart lately. I don’t fancy Turkish springers. I’d pay the extra 200 bucks and buy a German design. With springers, there’s no need to break the bank anyhow.
GF1,
I have been thinking of ordering a new barrel for my 22 cal Marauder from Crosman. I have a high end after market barrel but would like to compare my old original barrel to a new Crosman barrel. If I was sure they only have the new process barrels left I would order one. I don’t remember the part number changing when they went to the new barrels. I need to do some research. Maybe someone on the blog knows.
Don
Don,
Sounds like a crap shoot. You do bring up a good point though about the part # (should) change in some way as in,… -1, -2, -3 etc.. Maybe a call direct to Crosman?
Chris
Chris U,
After the ruckus I caused with my Wildfire they must have my name and picture posted all around their customer service center. I think it is worth the call though. Overall they have been great on parts.
I guess no news is good news. The 22 cal Marauders were notorious for a crapshoot on accuracy. I have not been hearing negative comments lately.
Don
Don,
So,… ya’ be a no-good, low down, trouble makin’, rabble rouser ehh? 😉
You know that ol’ sayin’?,… the squeaky wheel gets the oil?,…………. 🙂
Good luck on gettin’ what ya’ are after,…
Chris
Chris,
No. The squeaky wheel gets greased! 😉
BB
BB,
Well,… ya’ bein’ a bit older than I,… I will roll with your definition. I can not help but think of some of the gangsta’ stuff where the “greased” is more like “grea$$$$$$ed”. 😉
Maybe they will send Don a dozen or so of “specialty selected” barrels to let him have his pick,.. just to shut him up and make it all go away?
🙂 Chris
Chris,
Gangsta was what I was saying. 😉
BB
BB,
Got it,…. $ can be “oil” or “grease”. When they are done with you,.. you get “greased” (whacked).
Chris
Don
Good question. How do you know. If it’s the same part number its probably going to be hard to get the info out of them as to what barrel your getting.
All I know is I had one .22 marauder that was good and 2 others that were not.
I wish they identified the barrels in some way on when they was made.
Don,
Perhaps BB could ask Crosman for you? “If I order a new .22 M-rod barrel,.. will it be the new Crosman made ones,…. FOR SURE”? An inquiry from BB is likely to land a little higher on the corporate ladder set of rungs, eh? It can’t hurt.
Chris
I have a gen 1 .22 marauder, the accuracy went to crap. I tried everything I could think of to no avail. Bought an Armada barrel from Pyramid a couple of months ago and so far it shoots much better.
Moore1438,
Thanks for the reply. I need to put together an order to Crosman for some other stuff and will give it a go with a new barrel.
Don
Pretty sure they are new manufacture, as I had to wait a couple of months for them to be restocked. Kevin
Moore1438,
Thanks I looked at the barrel part numbers for:
Marauder gen 1 # 2263-001
Marauder gen 2 # 2263-001
Armada. # 2263-017
Do you see any difference between the Armada and Marauder barrels?
Don
No, a perfect fit, at 30yds AA16gr group about 3″, Crosman HP 1″, JSB 18gr 3/4″.Those are 10 shot groups.
G’day BB.
Can you test a .22 CCI Quiet in comparison with these air rifles for noise?
I think it maybe quieter!
Cheers Bob
Rob,
I will do that in the next report.
BB
Bob, about ten years back, I lived in suburban Dallas, TX on a creek lot that allowed me to shoot (surreptitiously) 50 yds with my airguns. My next door neighbors did not care. Occasionally I spotted some animal in need of killing, and considered the airguns I had to be below needed power.
My brother, also an avid airgunner, suggested that the new (then) CCI round would work well for me in a .22, and be as quiet as my airguns. He even loaned me his (beautiful) Marlin 39A lever action rifle, which was reputed to be very quiet with its longer barrel, etc. My Ruger 10-22 would not cycle with those.
Well, that combination of ammo (and I tried other subsonics) produced terrible accuracy – 3 to 4 inch groups at 30 yds. I took the Marlin to a range and it was very accurate (<1 inch at 50 yds) with CCI Mini-mags. And I did NOT think it was as quiet as my air rifles. I remember my Marauder would get better groups at 50 yards on that range session. The shooters near me were all amazed at the Marauder results, as I recall. They had little concept of high quality airguns.
Perhaps the ammo has been improved since then, and I did not shoot chronograph tests. I was very disappointed.
Jerry-
The twist rate on a standard barrel is optimized for standard .22 LR ammo. I have tried a number of subsonic rounds in a few different rifles and they do awful. Pick up a handful of rocks and throw them at a target, and that’s about what my results were. However, with the right gun and twist rate there is no reason they couldn’t be accurate.
Jerry
The CCI 710 fps 40 grain long rifles work good in my Winchester 190 and Savage 93.
1 inch groups at 50 yards and scoped bench resting.
You got it Jerry and they are quieter than my FX Monsoon to my ear. Heard of a Bruno No.2 with micro barrel….old enough to vote but accurate.
Cheers Bob
Bob
My Monsoons were pretty quiet. They use basically a piston inside the shroud to cock the gun for the next semi auto fire.
If you compared a quiet CCI round that I mentioned to a out of the box Maximus or Discovery; the CCI round would be much quieter.
B.B.
How can a trigger go from “creepy” to “crisp” without any adjustment?
Parts wearing in? In only 60 shots? I’m confused.
Glad to hear that moderators really do work on this gun!
-Y
Yogi
You mean the silencer that BB got from AirForce guns.
The moderator came factory on the gun which was loud. The silencer was a add on to make it quieter.
Gunfun1,
B.B. called the OEM piece a muzzle break not a moderator. The moderator is what he put on from his Airforce buddies.
-Y
Yogi
Either way call it whatever. One of the two made it quieter than the way it came from the factory.
GF1,
Yogi is right. What comes on the gun is not a silencer in any way. The aftermarket silencer I added did all the work.
BB
BB
Like I said to Yogi. Whatever you want to call it.
The thing you got from AirForce silenced the gun. The thing that was on the gun from the factory was loud.
Do you think that certain states in the US will allow the thing you put on the gun from AirForce that quieted the gun down be legal?
GF1,
The piece that came on the gun looks to be more of an air stripper,.. or just a cool looking bobble. It would be interesting to see the inside of it to see if there is any funnels employed or just a straight through shot with porting.
I don’t care for the looks after the silencer/moderator is installed. The Red Wolf has the Hugget that is not as fat,… plus it has the shroud which makes for less of a step-up. It works good. The bigger cans do seem to do more though, from what I have seen people say.
Chris
Chris
I was just bringing up the point that the thing that BB put on the gun from AirForce is a silencer.
And brings up legal issues too. With the shroud that the Marauder uses you don’t have to worry about the gun being silenced. Well in the US I guess.
Yogi,
I really don’t know. I’m just reporting what happened.
BB
BB,
The Cayden (IMMHO) is the best looking of the three from Kral. I know there are some folks like Gunfun1 who prefer a bottle instead of a tube, but as is shown here, how many shots do you need? Now if I was shooting bench strictly, I would want to see about modifying it to have two or three bottles, but for carry I prefer a slim, light, easy to handle design.
Like Yogi, I am curious as to how the trigger went from creepy to crisp. Could it have been caused by some heavy lubricant in the trigger mechanism being displaced enough to allow proper operation?
As for adjusting the power, maybe you should have used a screwdriver on the left side instead of the pliers on the right side. 😉 I can definitely see where a little rasping, sanding and staining would have to come into play.
RR,
Lubricant is my thinking, too.
BB
RR
I like a bottle if it is regulated and can be taken off or on the gun by unscrewing it or screwing it on.
Hello RR and BB,
It sure looks like the power adjuster is a single rotary shaft with the screwdriver slot and scale on the left side and a knurled knob on the right. The knob doesn’t stick out very far at all beyond the stock for grabbing. A quick test with a screwdriver would confirm if they both turn together.
At least 30 of the 54 shots were on high power, using only 500 Psi. Wow! I can see this thing getting almost 100 shots on medium and who knows how many on low power. Kinda looking like 500-550 fps is where you’re gonna be for under 30 fps spread. Good plinking speed. Hope it’s accurate.
Rk,
Thanks! I will look into that next (the great number of shots on lower power).
BB
BB,
Looking good so far. BIG bummer on the adjustment knob. A slot head or allan head hole would have made all the difference. Also, no hash marks to indicate position within the range.
What is the adjustment on the left side for?
What are you adjusting when adjusting the knob on the right side?
What is the range of movement of the right side knob? Full turn? 180 degree? 90 degree?
Being directly across from one another,.. I have to wonder if they work in conjunction with each other.
Chris
Chris,
What do you mean, no hash marks? Didn’t you see them in Part 1? They are on the left side of the rifle.
BB
BB,
So, is this the same shaft? The left and right adjustments are one in the same? If so, I got it. Left side for scale and screwdriver use and right side would be tool free.
Chris
Chris
Just like my S500.
tt
TT,
I wonder why BB did not just adjust from the left side (via slot) instead of busting out the vice grips and blow torch to go at the right side knob? 😉
Chris
Chris
I don’t know how deep the screwdriver slot is.
May only be deep enough to work as an index line.
There may be a hidden set screw to prevent the knob from turning too easy. That may be another possibility.
tt
BB
Can you tell us the name of the app you used for sound testing?
Ray
Ray
I asked that question to in the 1st report on the gun. BB never answered but Benji Don found a app that seemed the same.
Read the comments in part 1 and I think you will find the answer.
Ray,
Decibel X. I pay $5 a month for it and it’s a business expense.
BB
Hi BB,
Do you think a small sheet of rubberized grip mesh, commonly sold as shelf liner, would provide enough grip for you to turn the power adjustment knob. Or a sticky silicone grip work glove? Both have helped me at times with awkward-to-grab things that need a twist.
-Andy
Andy,
It might. I use that stuff for my shelves and drawers. The thing is, I have one day to test a gun, photograph it and write it and shedule for publishing. Sometimes I forget stuff.
BB
Great idea for a shooting bench (I really like it)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/342912352849647/permalink/979033732570836/
Chris
Chris
Different.
I believe I have a line on a spool, and I already have an umbrella shade I brought from Dallas that is not being used…thanks!
Jerry,
Glad you liked it.
I know where 3 BIG ones are that are marked free. The company does power line work. They may be too big (high) in fact. They are in the fenced in area of the company.
I would just have to figure out how to get loaded, home and unloaded. I would use some liquid nail as needed and good screws. Also, wood protector and way to keep it off the ground a bit. It would out live me!
Chris
Maybe I missed something, but I seem to recall a few years ago, we could not even talk freely about “silencers” whether on airguns or firearms, as there could be ATF issues. Now it seems, DonnyFL is selling them like hotcakes. Has there been a change, or are airguns now excepted from regulations?
Jerry,
The ATF will not come out and say anything. Being typical government types thay prefer to keep all their options open — or at least that is what they think they are doing. Legally they are prohibited from having anything to do with airguns. But they do have jurisdiction over silencers, which is why their ostrich act doesn’t work.
My viewpoint is this. I call them silencers because that is what they are. They are not moderators, lead dust collectors or decibel reduction devices. If the ATF is allowing DonnyFL and all the others to operate openly, they have given their okay by their lack of involvement.
BB
B.B. & Readership,
Legal in what country? Remember BB has readership from all over the World. In the USA it is a truly interesting situation: https://donnyfl.com/pages/disclaimer
Read this and be certain to click on the links.
All of that is called Case Law; it means that someone paid money for lawyers to put each of those cases together along with extensive Appeals. So don’t believe this is “Settled Law” in the USA if some police entity stops you with your airgun Suppressor you are going to see what the local Prosecutor decides to do. You will find out how much GOOD legal representation costs. Just sayin’…
shootski
P.S.: there are States in the USA that have Law that makes ownership/possesion illegal.
BB, you had issues with the control knob, like you couldn’t grasp the knob, but now it works ok.
I am glad the rifle didn’t cost too much. I bet someone will find a nice gun for you to try out soon,
but you may need to agree to no pliers, or something of that sort, and sign it. That would be a really nice gun..
The good news is it wasn’t made in Vietnam. I wonder if Crosman is selling product in Turkey marked KRAL?
That would be weird. looking forward to more, as always.
Rob
As far as I know, the import airguns have 7 joule limit in Turkey; to buy stronger import airguns, a fireams licence is required. For the domestic airguns, there is no joule limit. Hence, it seems as if Turks must be shooting Turkish airguns predominantly. If Crosman opened a factory there, it’d be a different story of course.
So, I have assembled my home built air gun entry and will submit via email to the above address. Thanks.
BB,
One more! I guess you have enough contestants. No need for a deadline push, eh? I’m excited to see the designs.