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All about high-pressure hand pumps: Part Six

AV G9 hand pump
Air Venturi G9 high-pressure hand pump.

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Part 4
Part 5

This report covers:

  • History
  • 2000 psi ideal!
  • Smooth!
  • Take your time
  • Stay clean
  • Problem

Today will probably be the last report in this series on high pressure hand pumps. I say “probably” because you never know what new wonderful thing is about to emerge so I will keep my options open. This one will be a quickie.

History

Before 1996 high pressure hand pumps were not a part of the airgun landscape. When the first one came out it was a phenomenon. I bought one as soon as I heard of it. It was the Axsor from Sweden — the thing that started FX — at least in my world.

At the time the only precharged pneumatic (PCP) I had was a Career 707 from Shin Sung, It filled to 3000 psi and I considered myself lucky to be able to fill it with a hand pump. Of course going to 3000 psi is much harder than going to 2000 psi, but the Axsor was the only game in town so there was nothing to compare to. I was delighted. Those were the days when you had to sign a release form for the dive shop to fill your scuba tank, and I hated having to go there.

Career 707
Career 707.

I had my Career modified with a valve tune and a regulator and was able to get 70 good stable shots from one fill. Instead of the 75 foot-pounds and 10 good shots the Career came with mine was detuned to get about 23 foot pounds. That’s where most of the additional shots came from. The regulator did help, but not as much as the valve.

Then I saw the USFT for the first time at a field target match. It was only filled to 1600 psi and got 55 stable shots of Baracuda Match pellets at 900 f.p.s. How could they do that, and why didn’t all PCPs do the same?

USFT
USFT made by Tim McMurray fills to a very low pressure, yet gets ideal ballistics.

2000 psi ideal!

Four years later I pitched the idea of the rifle that became the Benjamin Discovery to Crosman and they ran with it. I pitched a fill of 1800 psi but they settled on 2000 psi. To test how easy it was to fill we had their female lawyer fill the rifle. I filled it while sitting in a chair. This was the way of the future! And, though I didn’t know it at the time, 2000 psi does not destroy common o-rings the way higher pressures do.

That experience was with an Axsor hand pump. After that I owned and used many other hand pumps including a “bargain” from China that lasted about three uses. The AirVenturi G9 was yet to come. And when it did pumping became even easier!

Smooth!

The G9 hand pump is smooth. Unlike any hand pumps that have gone before, the G9 has a deliberate upstroke and downstroke. If you do it right the shaft should never bounce (come back up on its own) at the end of the downstroke.

I just looked at the customer reviews of the G9 and saw there was one (at the time of this report) negative/1 star review. That customer didn’t like that he had to assemble the pump sections that were taken apart so the pump would fit inside the cardboard box it was shipped in. He returned it without using it for that reason. In my opinion that’s not a reason to give a one-star rating. If you buy a burger from MacDonalds you still have to unwrap it before eating.

The G9 is the smoothest hand pump I’ve ever used. Here is how I pump. Upstroke all the way and then pause two seconds. Downstroke ALL THE WAY and then pause two seconds. All the way is super important because most of the compression work is done in the last few inches of the pump stroke.

Take your time

If you take your time the pump will fill anything like a Crosman 3622 in just a few strokes. It also won’t overheat, which is one of the problems that first Axsor and several hand pumps that followed it had. But the secret is a max fill of 2000 psi. When you go higher is where the problems begin.

Hunting Guide

Stay clean

I leave my G9 in the garage which is where I take all the rifles to fill. If the day is warm the pump is too. If it’s cold outsidethe pump is cold. The pump doesn’t need any special temperature to operate. What it does need is to be clean. Keep dirt away from the pump at all times. Remember when you bleed the air hose that the air rushing out may kick up dirt that can get on your pump shaft.

Problem

The biggest problem is there aren’t that many PCPs that operate on 2000 psi. The Crosman 3622 is one and I can’t find another. And please don’t tell me about a gun that fills to 3000 but will work on 2000. That’s not what I’m talking about.

As a result I think I will begin testing the $100 PCP again. Crosman tried to mimic it several years ago, but the one I have that was built by Dennis Quackenbush still works and, at just 2000 psi or less, the o-rings won’t fail soon!

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Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier)
Tom Gaylord, also known as B.B. Pelletier, provides expert insights to airgunners all over the world on behalf of Pyramyd AIR. He has earned the title The Godfather of Airguns™ for his contributions to the industry, spending many years with AirForce Airguns and starting magazines dedicated to the sport such as Airgun Illustrated.

58 thoughts on “All about high-pressure hand pumps: Part Six”

  1. “The biggest problem is there aren’t that many PCPs that operate on 2000 psi.”

    BB,
    Yes; you are correct; if PCP manufacturers want to convince someone like me (someone who loves airguns, but does not own a PCP) to buy a PCP, then having an air rifle that operates at 2000 psi in their stable, one that can be filled by a simple hand pump, is the way to go.
    Hopefully, some manufacturers will listen to you. 😉
    Blessings to you,
    dave

  2. Tom,

    I’d also advise that the pump be kept in the upright position especially if you are experiencing warm weather. Found my pump in non working condition and noted that some O-rings that needed to be replaced seemed flatter on one side.

    Siraniko

  3. “ I just looked at the customer reviews of the G9 and saw there was one (at the time of this report) negative/1 star review. That customer didn’t like that he had to assemble the pump sections that were taken apart so the pump would fit inside the cardboard box it was shipped in. He returned it without using it for that reason.”
    This is also a serious point in Tom’s comments. It also highlights why we shouldn’t rely only upon stars but read the comments, preferably starting with the lower rating.
    Sometimes people just want to show off their “unique” inner world, not their actual experience with the product they “review”.

  4. He huffed and he puffed and he still could not fill his PCP with air….
    Every serious PCP airgunner should get a CF tank!!!!!!

    -Yogi

    Thank goodness as a springer shooter, NOT MY PROBEM. lol…

    • Yogi,

      Once upon a time, that was not an issue. We have apparently forgotten so much over the years.

      Being one that also likes shooting sproingers, some of those things are much harder to cock than I can manage over a long period.

    • Yogi,

      Actually two Carbon Fiber (CF) tanks at a minimum along with a simple cascade manifold.
      Two smaller (say half the volume at the same pressure) tanks will give you much more than double the USABLE air of one large (equal volume/pressure to the two small cylinders) IF they are used correctly.

      First fill from the tank with lower pressure. Shut off supply on 1st tank. Next open the valve on the higher pressure tank to Top Off the airgun to desired pressure. Shut off 2nd tanks supply valve and bleed the Cascade Manifold disconnect fill fitting from airgun and go shoot.
      Yogi you probably know all this but your comments probably attract lots of NEW to AIRGUNS readers so this next is really for them:

      It works because you fill the manifold (micro bore hoses and fittings with lower pressure air) if that pressure is higher than the airguns reservoir it fills that partially with a large VOLUME of air. When you then top off from the higher pressure tank it is a much smaller VOLUME of air that is drawn down!

      TIP: IF you want to wring out every last advantage of a Cascade set-up you can bleed the Cascade into the lower pressure tank by opening its supply valve to have the manifold backfill that much higher pressure air to the lower pressure tank. Pretty Miserly!

      I shoot really POWERFUL gas hog BIG BORE airguns so…
      I have four 4,500PSI (310 BAR) 97 Cu Ft/9 Liter/550 Cubic Inch/60 minute CF Cylinders and a Cascade manifold that is modular and allows 2,3,4 or more cylinders to be cascaded since i also have a number of SCUBA 3,600 PSI (250 BAR) Cylinders in reserve that i could use as well if i don’t get to the Dive Shop and need to fill an airgun.

      In my opinion you avoid the cost and maintenance associated with compressors the quality of the DRY and FILTERED BREATHABLE air is Superb for PCPs.
      And, in the event of a RBC attack i can over pressurize my sealed Safe Room for a few weeks!

      shootski

      PS: i have three hand pumps the oldest is an AXOR that still works and has never been rebuilt…since they almost never get used; just for operational testing once every six months and to no more than (140 BAR) 2,000 PSI.

        • Roamin Greco,

          Your welcome.

          Steel 100 cu ft SCUBA tanks that can be had cheap don’t have a mandated life span and can be had with 3,500 PSI maximum fill ratings for US $200 and far cheaper if bought used. They can and have lasted over 50 years and thousands of fill cycles. Yes they require a hydro test every 5 years and visual inspection annually but are still life cycle cheaper than any current compressor and probably hand pump as well. Cascading also reduces the number of trips/time/fuel cost to drive to the Dive Shop or other fill point.

          They are heavy compared to CF or even aluminium SCUBA cylinders; but come in smaller (lighter) sizes as well.

          shootski

  5. Since I have FWB800 and use it for the 10m training I did consider twice using a handpump. It was my wife who told me “boy, you need a compressor”. After pumping this 220ccl 200bar (2900psi) tank I was not able to shot anymore. I agree that 2000 psi would be a very good value to pump using hand pump. Everything above it is more and more difficult. I would like to wish good luck for all which are trying to pump 300bar (4300psi) airgun with a hand pump – I weight 90kg and it is too less to go for even 250bar…
    I’m sooooo happy to have 300bar compressor. Hand pump is my backup and of course sometimes it is easier to take it for some “small shooting session” than to transport the compressor (which needs AC power).

  6. Thanks for the interesting report. I also fill my Crosman 3622 with the G9 (sometimes). And I agree that 2000 psi is ideal. I continue to hope that Crosman will expand the 3622 idea to include a .177 caliber rifle and perhaps some pistols (based on the existing multi-pump pistols. Then we might have more than one gun that has a maximum fill of 2000 psi.

    Off-topic, I am hoping that someone here might be able to help me with some target dimensions that the USMC used back in 1956. I have searched online and found that the USMC has changed up some of their training procedures since 1956. The goal I am trying to achieve is to confidently state the accuracy that Lee Harvey Oswald demonstrated in his December 1956 rifle training. Here are some screenshots of what I have found so far.

    • I would like to be able to calculate the MOA (minutes of angle) demonstrated in LHO’s groups. Any help is appreciated. The first image (with dimensions) appears to have more modern target sizes. The 500-yard target apparently isn’t even a bullseye type target anymore. Also, in LHO’s book, what do the numbers that increase as they get further away from the point of aim mean? Are those supposed to be clicks or MOA of adjustment needed for zeroing a rifle?

      • Elmer,

        One MOA is roughly one inch at one hundred yards. At two hundred yards, it will be roughly two inches, et cetera.

        Those numbers are likely clicks. Are they MOA? I have no idea. I was not even one year old when that was recorded.

        • Yes, thank you. What I need is to know the dimensions of the targets. The dimensions I have found do not seem to relate directly to the 1956 targets. For instance the 500-yard target is now a human sillhouette instead of a bullseye. I am hoping that Shootski might know from his basic training experience, or at least know where to find the answers.

            • RR, I can relate to the dimensions for the 200 yd and 300 yd rapid fire targets because the figure is similar to what LHO’s booklet shows. It does seem to me that the numbers increasing from the point of aim represent MOAs. If so, then I calculate the following:

              200 yards rapid (Thursday) the group appears to be approximately 16 MOA vertical and 12 MOA horizontal.

              200-yards rapid (Friday) the group appears to be approximately 8 MOA vertical and 8 MOA horizontal.

              300-yards rapid the group appears to be 5 MOA vertical and 7 MOA horizontal. However, if we exclude the lone shot that I suspect was a pulled one, the remaining group appears to be approximately 5 MOA vertical and 4 MOA horizontal.

              It would be nice if these estimates could be confirmed. Also, it would be nice to learn more about what is meant by rapid fire vs slow fire, etc. I believe that LHO trained with the M1 Garrand rifle.

                • RR, most people I know are (like you apparently) not interested in the details. However there are a lot of folks that are:

                  A google search says:

                  A 2017 survey found that 61% believe others were involved in the assassination. This uncertainty – and continued interest from the public – has proved fruitful for writers, directors and artists. An estimated 40,000 books have been published about Kennedy.Sep 15, 2023

                    • RR, The internet has provided a place for the folks who actually are interested in the details to compare their opinions and argue about details that were forever lost when Jack Ruby shot Oswald. Personally, I enjoy discovering and learning about some of the details that I didn’t know before. The reason I presented some questions here is because we have some folks with military experience who might know some answers. One detail that is being discussed right now concerns the “lost bullet”. Three shots were apparently fired but only two can be accounted for. What happened to the third bullet? One respected researcher suggests LHO missed the entire limousine from only 100-feet. That would be a minimum of 36” (or about 108 MOA). My position is that he would most likely not have missed that badly if it was an intentional shot. I propose that it most likely was an inadvertent shot caused by interference from the box in the window. I have built a 3D computer model of the sniper’s nest and also a full size model that I can sit in with a rifle. I have shown that the window box does present potential interference if the shot happened at the point in time that is now favored by investigators & researchers. Any assistance that anyone here can provide is appreciated.

                  • Elmer Fudd,

                    There are folks today that believe in UAPs!
                    People believe in some strange things because they don’t know capabilities of trained and practiced shooters.
                    I remember things folks called] UFOs and Fliegende Untertasse: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/deutsch-englisch/fliegende-untertasse
                    With thousands of hours searching the EM Spectrum from DC to Light over vast areas of this planet never detected or saw one…except if i got angry and would throw my cup and saucer ;^)

                    shootski

                    • Yes, I believe LHO was quite capable and set up and executed a very well designed ambush on his own. It’s been over 60-years and no credible evidence of a conspiracy has been found. But most people seem to still go nuts over all of the innuendo and conjecture surrounding the assassination.

            • Thank you very much Shootski. It looks like you may have lead me to a good place. I think I found the answer to what was confusing me. And now I can calculate the 500-yard target results in MOA. Here’s a photo showing the dimensions of the 500-yard target. And the accompanying text says: “while the targets were the same from the 1920s until 1960.“
              Thanks again! 🙂

              • Elmer Fudd,

                Just ENABLING YOU ;^)

                Some of those older folks may even be able to honestly answer some of your questions as first person connections might exist to LHO.

                shootski

  7. PCP air rifles used to fill to less than 1000 PSI, get over twenty shots and were capable of bringing down large game. I think something has been forgotten along the way.

    When I started into PCPs, I used a hand pump exclusively. I bought a .177 Talon SS that after testing I learned that the beginning of the top of the shot curve was at 1900 PSI. I would get over twenty shots before I needed to refill.

    Soon after that I bought an Edge. Although it filled to 3000 PSI, it was regulated and had a small tank. It also was not hard to fill with my hand pump.

    Sometime later I met Lloyd Sikes and he let me borrow his Benjamin Rogue. It filled to 3000 PSI and had a rather large reservoir. I did not shoot it very much as it used an awful lot of air per shot. Filling that monster with a hand pump was a deal breaker.

    When I bought my .357 HM1000X, I also bought a compressor AND a large carbon fiber tank. It filled to 3125 PSI and I was not going to kill myself trying to fill it with a hand pump.

    There are now airguns that fill to over 4500 PSI. They also have at least one regulator as that is the only way to bring the pressure down to something that is usable. Yes, these air rifles will get an incredible number of shots, but to what purpose?

    In this respect, I have to go along with Yogi. He is of the mentality that he should not have to spend a small fortune to enjoy punching paper and killing feral soda cans. If the airgun manufacturers were to return to their roots and make a good quality air rifle that you could easily fill with a hand pump, Yogi might break down and buy a PCP. I might even buy another one.

    TCFKAC is almost there, but even they keep missing the boat. The 3622 is a step in the right direction, but where is the top shelf quality? Yes, I can take a Discovery / Maximus / Fortitude / 3622 and turn it into a shooter that will stun most folks. No, it will not be cheap. Who cares?

    When folks out there will spend thousands of dollars for an air rifle that is only good for punching small holes in paper a long way off, why not build an air rifle capable of dropping a buffalo at a couple of hundred yards that you can easily fill with a hand pump. John McCaslin at AirForce is almost there. He could be if he and his team were to give it a little more thought. I will buy it.

  8. The last comment hit on the answer to BB’s comment that the air storage tank would have to be the size of a sewer pipe. Air Force has an answer and so did Girandoni. Use the stock as a pressure tank for that 2,000 psi holy grail. Need more air? Use an underbarrel tank as well. Perhaps you can get a 30 ft.lb., 50 shot air rifle that only uses 2,000 psi of air?

    Fred formerly of the Demokratik Peeples Republik of NJ now happily in GA

  9. Off topic.
    This is rich. They shut off the electrical power in LA and San Diego in advance of strong winds so downed power lines don’t start fires and send them to court.
    RESULT. People can’t charge their EV cars to evacuate when fire does come, or they run out of power and block other evacuating traffic.
    Then they are left with piles of hazardous material to clean up, burned up EV batteries.

    Once again, armed homeowners are protecting their properties from post catastrophe looters.

    • Bob M,

      May the winds be with you!

      You know what they say about unanticipated consequences…
      Brandon Inc. is invested in EVs, EV battery manufacturing (in PRC) as well as domestic hazardous material clean up ;^)
      I picked up a custom Buttercream Mocha Chocolate cake for our Celebration on this coming Monday.

      I hope all the Fossil Fuel Generators in CA have Spark Arresters!

      shootski

      • Shootski,
        I have the generator situation down pat.
        I rotate 110V Honda EV2000i and Craftsman 3300i. (Inverters) Honda is the best. Rev-up from idle is great. Just have to monitor appliance use. Microwave and fridge start-up at the same time, with everything else on, may stall them. they are both very quiet.

        Then I have the beast. A Dual Fuel Duro Star 10000EH. It can run everything at once including 220V well and water pressure pumps. But it’s loud. Used every once in a while to maintain water pressure in accumulator and top off storage tank from well.
        Perfect setup. The fat mobile home 220V power cord plugs right into it, then I have a dual plug extension between the generator and standing power / circuit breaker tower box that feeds 220 back to the power panel on my utility pole to run the 220 pumps. They both go on and off automatically through a float system and pressure switch.

        Thank God it has an electric start in addition to the pull cord. LPG has less horsepower when used. Great for backup use. “Never fear the dark!”

        Thought about the Generac advertised on TV all the time, but it can’t be that quiet and would probably be overkill most of the time and use more fuel. Non-Prepper expensive stuff.

  10. B.B. and Readership,

    Tom knows this.

    The low pressure airgun requires a barrel length increase that most users CAN NOT HANDLE!

    Say what!

    Why is the US Battle rifle a short barrel M-4…because the longer M-16 rifle barrel is too long. Why do some air gunners and firearm users clamor for more Carbines and BULL PUPS? Well some few of them might engage in Close Quarters Battle (CQB) or barn and out building Pesting.

    just my opinion!

    shootski

  11. B.B.
    PCP guns other than the Crosman 3622 that are 2000 PSI fill: Beeman QB Chief & the Beeman Chief II. I don’t know of any other. It’s a shame. I like the idea of low fill pressure.

    Doc.

  12. B.B.
    Maybe just as big a question as how many fill to 2000psi (other than the three I know of), is how many PCPs shoot well and get a good number of shots by just filling to 2000psi even though the gun can take more? You have mentioned several over time (or hinted at) but I’ve never committed any to memory or compiled a list. Just because a car has a 30 gallon tank, we don’t have to fill it up to get a lot of miles with some that are efficient.

    Doc

    • Doc Holiday,

      Not B.B. but your question: “…how many PCPs shoot well and get a good number of shots by just filling to 2000psi even though the gun can take more?” is interesting.
      What is a good number of shots?
      If i take any of my Big Bore DAQs and fill them to 2,000 PSI i can get at least one near full power shot. If i use my external regulator connected to one or more of my 97 Cu Ft Carbon Fiber tanks i can get more shots than you would want to shoot in a day and they would all be good shots to boot.
      Any small bore airgun with a regulator is typically set to use 2,000 PSI and often far less for many shots.
      It all depends on how the valve is set-up and how much Energy you want out the spout.

      The Marketing numbers that indicate Maximum Fill Pressure are based on what MAXIMUM pressure the reservoir and valve can handle not on what shoots well!

      Does that make sense?

      My example

      I shoot my Generation one .22 caliber Marauder with no more than a 2,750 PSI maximum fill pressure and not the advertised 3,000PSI limit fill pressure. It is tuned to shoot accurately for at least 40 shots with enough juice to eliminate most small vermin…up to tough old Crows out to 50+ yards with ≈16 grain pellets.

      shootski

      PS: i think i could tune my Marauder to shoot well for at least 10 or so shots on a 2,000PSI fill and still have enough juice to take tough old Crows out to 50+ and that is with decades old technology.

      • Shootski,
        By good # of shots, I would say at least 20 would be the minimum. Power? 20 at least 700 fps for 22 cal. That’s the baseline. Think of it kind of like a car. I could have a 300 hp motor that could do 0-60 mph in 5 seconds and get 20 mpg on premium gas. Or I could have a car that has 250 hp, do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and get 30 mpg on reg gas.
        Doc

        • Doc Holiday,

          So you want magnum springer power equivalency from your PCP.
          .
          That is an about an 18.4 grain projectile at a MV of above 700 fps.
          And, what are you going to do with that power for 20 or so shots?

          For comparison my SIG ASP20s deliver a hair more than that with cocking effort described as among the easiest in class. But some of my mid seventies friends find it difficult to sustain for 20 relatively short interval shots.

          shootski

          • Shootski,
            That Sig was ideal. I am still mad that Sig killed it. And that others can’t figure out how to build them that good.
            You asked what do I want to do with it? Whatever pleases me. I am a professional plinker. I hike with them, drive around with them, pesting, a lil target shooting and so on. Doc

  13. Unfortunately the Marketing guys have abandoned velocity and have concentrated on pressure and increased number of shots. A number of guys have come to believe that adding a regulator is the answer to their accuracy problems. Or if more velocity is wanted simply adding a plenum chamber will be the answer. Hard to educate when they are riding Marketing’s railroad.

    Siraniko

    • Siraniko,

      Accuracy can come in all kinds of airguns.
      The problem is most people never understand that it invariably isn’t the airgun, modifications, upgrades, or the accessories that will bring what they hoped.
      Marksmanship is the most misunderstood component of accuracy but the Marketing guys cannot sell that; especially in a Big Box store.

      shootski

  14. Just thought of something. My FX Independence hand pump is locked up from air bleeding back into it. Wonder if I can simply disable it some way to end the leak and treat it like any other PCP and fill it with an external hand pump. The fitting is already there.

    Won’t get a lot of shots, no big reservoir, but won’t require a lot of pumps either. Heck it would probably top off the same with three pumps after each shot to maintain any desired pressure. Need another Round 2 It.

    Attached hand pump seems to be the week point, or my abusing it, and may not be worth resealing?

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