The Diana two forty.
This report covers:
- Velocity
- Breech seal is low
- Air Arms Falcon
- Shooting behavior
- Discharge sound
- RWS Superpoint
- Crosman Premier 10.5-grain dome
- Cocking effort
- Trigger pull
- Next
- Summary
Today we start looking at the performance of the .177-caliber Diana two forty breakbarrel air rifle. Before we begin let me share my hopes with you. I’m hoping this air rifle can deliver at least 80 percent of what an HW 30 has, in terms of power, accuracy, cocking effort and the trigger. If it can I will have a new rifle to recommend to shooters on a tight budget. That was my hope for the Crosman Fire breakbarrel, but Crosman dropped it before I could complete my evaluation.
Velocity
This is the day we test velocity and other things. Let’s get started. First observation—the breech seal sits low.
Breech seal is low
When the rifle arrived I examined it pretty close. I thought the breech seal stood proud of the breech, but I examine so many air rifles that I could have made a mistake. At any rate, it’s low on one side now and we know what that means — lower velocity.
In this view the rifle is laying on its left side. As you can see, the top and left side of the breech seal, which is at the bottom and left in this photo, lies below the breech face. The bottom and right side, which is on top and at the right here, stands proud.
Seeing this, my plan is to shim this seal and rerun the velocity test. When I’ve done this (raised the shim) with other springers in the past, the results have been dramatic. But I will still test the velocity today so we will have a baseline to compare to.
Air Arms Falcon
The first pellet I’ll test is the 7.33-grain Air Arms Falcon dome. This pellet was considerably faster than other pellets in the HW 30S. In the two forty ten Falcons averaged 561 f.p.s. The low was 559 and the high was 563 f.p.s. for a 4 f.p.s. spread overall. I would be pleased to get such a tight spread after a tune, to say nothing of a rifle right out of the box! Sure it’s not that fast but remember — this is a rifle for youth and also remember that it has a breech seal with which we have yet to contend.
At the average velocity the Falcon pellet generated 5.12 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle.
Shooting behavior
The rifle fires with a smooth shot cycle. I can feel just a little vibration, but it dissipates quickly.
Discharge sound
The discharge was 87.5 decibels. That’s quiet enough for most small back yards.
RWS Superpoint
Next to be tested was the 8.2 grain RWS Superpoint. This pellet averaged 532 f.p.s. from the two forty. The low was 522 and the high was 537 f.p.s. — a spread of 15 f.p.s. While that’s a lot more than the Falcon, it’s still very good for a new springer.
At the average velocity the Superpoint pellet generated 5.15 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle.
Crosman Premier 10.5-grain dome
The final pellet I tested was the 10.5-grain Crosman Premier dome. Ten of them averaged 416 f.p.s., with a low of 409 and a high of 423 f.p.s. That’s a 14 f.p.s. spread from low to high. So all three pellets displayed a tight spread, with the Falcon being the leader.
At the average velocity the Premier pellet generated 4.04 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle.
Cocking effort
What does it take to cock the two forty? My scale measured it at 18 pounds. The needle sat at 17 pounds for most of the cocking stroke and only hit 18 at the end. This is definitely an all-day plinker!
Trigger pull
The non-adjustable trigger is two stage. Stage one takes 7.1 ounces. Stage two, which is very crisp releases at 5 pounds 10 ounces on this rifle. That surprised me because it felt lighter. No doubt the crispness of the second stage release was what made me think that.
Next
After today the next thing we do is shim that breech seal to see if it makes a difference. I think it will, though how much of an increase I can’t say. This is still a low-powered air rifle.
While I’m at it I plan to remove the stock and see what I can do with the trigger. If possible I’ll lubricate it and see if I can lighten it a bit. I said it is crisp, but it is heavy, too. I have to admit that. It would be nicer if two pounds of trigger pull were removed.
After that I plan to shoot the two forty for accuracy with the open sights. And that’s as far ahead as I will look. I’ll reserve my future plans until I get closer to the time for implementation.
Summary
The Diana two forty is a surprising air rifle. I’m surprised that it is as nice to shoot as it is and I’m surprised that the Chinese who built it did as good as they did. This little rifle pokes a finger in the eye of those who say this level of quality can’t be made for a price anymore.
B.B.
How about the tissue test to see if that breech seal really makes a difference?
Red Grease to tame the bit of twang?
-Y
Yogi,
I will do the tissue test. Thanks.
As for the red grease, I am pondering that and more.
BB
Tom,
If you do apply a bit of red grease, it would show the internals of the Diana two forty. I also would not mind seeing photos of the red grease being applied and fully applied, as I would like to know just how much grease should be put on the mainspring and where.
Michael
Michael,
Like you, I do want to see the internals of the two forty. As for hos much red grease, read this report where I show it:
/blog/2022/10/overhauling-an-fwb-124-part-three/
BB
Tom,
Ah, that was when I took a break for a few months. Now the Feinwerkbau 124 is one fine air rifle! I personally consider the 124 to be the greatest breakbarrel sporter springer of all time, the ultimate.
I’ll study that report.
Michael
Yes, I really like the one I have. Pyramyd AIR resealed it for me a few years ago. I have it because it was my Dad’s airgun. The reason he bought that one was because I told him it was the best at that time back in the early 80’s.
Mike
Yogi,
The other day you wrote about being worried about choosing the best lenses when/if you get to the point your cataracts must be dealt with.
I know the are multi focus lenses since Hank (Vana2) chose that option.
I chose what are called monofocal distance since that is of utmost importance to what i do. If you read the linked information on m chosen lenses that i posted a few times already you wll know that they work down to intermediate distances.
Reading distances claimed is okay to a point nd even having me tell you my experience is just only okay as well. I do shoot Irons on handguns a well a long guns so that is a plus from experienced opinion rather than just sales literature or uninformed about shooting eye doctors recommendations.
Just today I did some dryfire drills with my full size Kimber 1911 as well as my SIG P320 X-Five. The 1911 is equiped with Tactical Night Sights (Tritium) and the SIG X-Five has Target Sights to include a Tritium front sight.
I used single arm as well as various two arm holds. The sight pictures were all vastly better than with various types of eyeglasses and the Contact lenses i tried during the Trial my Opthalmologist required me to do beoe doing the Right eye IOL procedure.
I also picked up and target and sighted with my various rifles with various non optical sights. Scopes were also tried: illuminated (green & red) as well as unilluminated and the ocular were adjusted to the new (current right eyeg) acuity with no problem. I’m certain as the right eye completely heals and settles in i will do some Ocular refining. I mark my ocular(s) with a semi permanent very fine gold and silver pen for the right and left eye ocular INDEXING on all my scopes as I shoot Left and Right.
Hope that gives you some comfort for the future and ammunition for talking with you doctor about your needs.
shootski
Tom,
I second the tissue test before touching that breech seal. If there no to minimal movement of the tissue you may not see much improvement after you fix the breech seal.
Siraniko
PS Section Next 2nd paragraph 1st sentence: “While I’m at it I plan to remove the stock and see what I can ro (do) with the trigger.”
Siraniko,
Fixed. Thanks,
BB
Wait, is this some thing we should be able to check visually or tactically? Should we feel around the breech seals of our piston airguns to insure the seal is proud of the other faces? And shim if not, a P.M. kind if thing?
Is there any downside of a shim or new seal besides a re-zero for a break-barrel?
I feel my Wally-world Beeman RS2 is a bit shallow from 5 to 9 o’clock… I’m shallow at all hours…
Mike
Mike,
Do the tissue test with your rifle and see if help is needed.
As for being shallow, I, too, am as shallow as the frost on the pumpkins on a 100-degree day! 🙂
BB
Tom,
It could be an optical illusion or just my old eyes, but the breech looks ever-so-slightly banged up. Even if shimming or replacing the breech seal does not improve velocity, it will surely make the rifle in better repair for the long term. Besides. performing either of those two tasks will provide instructional value to the blog.
Just sayin’,
Michael
Michael,
Optical illusion. I had to jazz up the breech photo a lot to show the dropoff on the seal. The breech is straight and true.
BB
Tom,
I thought it might be just reflections. Increasing contact of the seal couldn’t hurt, however. ;^)
Michael
Surprising that Diana haven’t stuck their badge on the Chinese clone of the Diana 34 and named it the Diana thirty four.
Everybody else is doing it and calling it the Ruger Blackhawk, Hämnerli 800, SMK Synergy SYNSG, and whatever you are having yourself.
Bob,
I have had a Ruger. It is no Diana 34.
RidgeRunner,
Long ago I bought a Ruger Blackhawk new when PA had a good sale, and I had to send it back. It had several minor functional issues which together were not acceptable for a new air rifle.
Michael
Michael,
I bought my Ruger for $75 in a yard sale and sold it in the fall at the Roanoke airgun show for $50. Good riddance.
RR,
What in particular was bad about the Ruger?
Bob,
It had an absolutely awful trigger. On rare occasions it had an absolutely wonderful trigger, but most of the time it was very iffy. You would pull on it and at some time or other it would go off. I probably could have fixed it but hey, there are bunches of very fine triggers that do not need fixing.
Michael,
Did it come with 50% extra barrel droop at no added cost? 😉
BB,
I too feel the tissue test is necessary for this air rifle.
Should you pull the breech seal on this air rifle, would you please measure to see if the obvious differences is due to the seal thicknesses or the machined depths of the breech seal location?
For an out of the box sproinger, those are some awesome velocity spreads. I may be mistaken, but do you not see that with lower velocities, you do tend to see tighter spreads?
RR,
I will measure the depth of the round cut that the seal fits into, but please bear in mind, cutting round hole with varying depths would be more of a machining challenge than cutting on to a uniform depth.
BB
Tom,
There is an awful lot of talk today about a tissue test. For me the test of a tissue is when I see a Whiscomb come up for sale, but I have to sob into a tissue because I can’t justify the expense so I have to let it go.
Michael
BB,
Many newbies are foolishly going to want more power than this thing puts out. Perhaps you should look at the Crosman Shockwave as a possible first for newbies.
/product/crosman-shockwave-np-quietfire-air-rifle?m=5216
RR, I have no experience with the Shockwave, but it is advertised as a 1000 fps gun. I wonder what how it shoots in the real world. Also wondering if it is the same powerplant used on other Crosman breakbarrels.
RG,
Of that I am certain. Crosman is famous for redressing their basic air rifles and giving them different names. I myself have thought about it but come to the realization that I have much better around.
According to SpringPistonFever, they’re largely the same powerplant for a given velocity.
I have .22 Shockwave. Just shot it at spinners so far, need to scope it to see how accurate it is. But my SBD in .22 is easier to shoot.
This gun is advertised as being able to achieve 575 fps. So that’s a modest velocity out of the gate, and probably with lighter, non-lead pellets, and probably deep-seating them to give the pellet a head start, so B.B.’s results seem to be consistent.
Also, these guns are said to be “engineered in Germany,” so if Diana is keeping an eye on quality control, I expect decent consistency in manufacturing. If accuracy is off, I would recommend a good barrel polishing with JB. My Embark was very inconsistent until I tried that.
How do you remove a breach seal without damaging it?
Roamin’,
“How do you remove a breach seal without damaging it?”
An excellent question. If Tom does that, we shall be able “to watch.” I remember he does it using a dental instrument, but everything else escapes my memory.
Michael
Roamin,
Using the polishing paste in the barrel improved the accuracy of your Embark! I recall you putting lots of effort into improving the accuracy that rifle and I thought after everything you did, it remained a non-shooter. Glad to hear that your last step turned the key. So you’re happy with it now?
Regards,
Will
Will S., let me rephrase…the Umarex Embark turned out to be a satisfyingly PRECISE airgun just from cleaning, lubing, and breaking in. The open sights are pretty good for target work. I tried to keep it as stock as possible…no trigger mods (although it could seriously use a better trigger)…because it is the official gun of the SAR program, and the the program rules disallow mods. I would highly recommend it for shooting with open sights. It even came with a stock spacer allowing one to extend the length of pull from 12 to 13 inches.
The issue I had at the end was when I tried to add a peep sight to increase its precision. I was able to get the gun to shoot very precisely, but the peep sight was adjusted to the end of its adjustment range (left or right, I can’t remember). So it would only shoot ACCURATELY with one or two pellets. My conclusion is that the dovetail and the bore were out of alignment. My unerstanding is that happens with barrels sometimes. The suggestion from the readership was to bend the barrel, but I have not gotten around to that. So the peep sight has been removed and the gun will be sighted in with open sights only. The configuration of the thumbhole stock makes it good for younger folks or those with very small hands. Actually, if that action could be put into a stock with a 10 or 11 inch length of pull it would be a super first airgun for an 8 to 10 year old and could grow with them. As it was, my then-8 year old had his head too far back for consistent cheek weld. He’s 10 now, and perhaps I can get him to give it another shot (pun intended).
Another person may buy the Embark, and they may find better bore to dovetail alignment. I just didn’t discover it until after the return period had expired.
Roamin Greco,
Wouldn’t Embark be great with an adult size stock and grip? And wouldn’t two-forty be awesome with Embark’s sights? Just wondering about your opinion.
Fish
Yes and yes! Or a globe with replacement front sight elements on a front dovetail.
The molded plastic front sight of the Embark came to me slightly canted. I had to follow 45Bravo’s advice and heat it up with a hair dryer and twist it slightly.
I cannot wait for your quest blog.
Perhaps, you might even consider buying a two-forty and compare them. 😉
RG: I agree with the JB Bore Paste. If it says, “Made in China,” it needs a good scrubbing/polishing. That is across the board, in my limited experience, REGARDLESS of brand name stamped thereupon. I think that the Jung Gwo workers leave bits and pieces of the Great Wall in each bore as proof of manufacture origin. Second only to China is Izmir, Turkey, a.k.a. Hatsan.
A good use of JB with a softer bore brush followed by dry cleaning pellets PUSHED through until more or less clean AND THEN a good series of Sheath/Barrier soaked pellets pushed through with time for the lube/cleaner to soak in to the remaining debris between each one is good. Just follow the wet cleaning pellets with a few dry ones to soak up the product so it doesn’t detonate.
That’s been my drill with new additions to the arms locker – even the European Dianas (which are usually clean). The only exception to the above drill is the Oktoberfest Rifle since the breech is not open to inspection or access. THAT was a longer process of soaked cleaning papers in a loop on the cleaning rod pushed in and pulled out with long wait times for the Sheath/Barrier product to loosen the Chinese native soil from the bore. It all had to be done from the muzzle, so the cleaning papers had to be reduced in size so the rod could be backed out of the bore – too big and it was lodged as if by a friction clutch.
LFranke, if that junk was bits of the Great Wall, you would no longer be able to see it from space by now.
The last time I looked at the GW on Google Maps Satellite view, I think a couple of parapet stones were indeed missing!
Off topic: saw an ad for a Haenel XXXX spring-piston airgun. What would be a reasonable price for one of those? The seller confirmed it is a smoothbore, but I think the asking price and the shipping are way too high.
Roamin Greco…..
I’m going to be shameless here and tell you…… If you have any interest in a haenel Springer….. You’ll want to keep your powder dry until you talk to me.
That’s all I’m going to say.
OK, Frank. I’ll bite. I was on the lookout for JDA001, who is looking for a soft-shooting smoothbore breakbarrel with which to shoot darts. I’ll email you separately. Thanks.
Hey sorry for the miscommunication. I interpreted the xxxx incorrectly.
I have a small handful of Haenel
Air guns but all are rifled except maybe the 4.3 mm bolt action round ball shooter.
I do have a 1941 model 1 DRP in 22 caliber that is a heck of a sweet shooter. The 310 which is the bolt action. I also have a III-284 Sporter.
A couple others including a 10 m
Model that screams East Germany
With a six aperture rotary diopter.
I thought I might have had your cup of tea….. And been able to save you some cash.
Specifically smooth bore for darts
I have an HM Quackenbush model 1…… From around 1900. It is nickel plated and better than one in the Cody firearms museum by a large margin. The rub is it is 21 caliber!
Pretty easy to make a match set of darts though.
I also have an old one in 25 caliber
Made by are you ready for this? Will the Younger. It’s still operable and employs a volute spring.
I digress……. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
No problem. I rather enjoyed reading you geeking out about your collection. ;o)
Mine is still small, but growing. And about to grow more.
Yeah, Roamin, I second what Frank said: you definitely want to talk with him about a Haenel springer.
I did, and I’m glad I did. 🙂
Roamin Greco,
The Haenel XXXX is severely overpriced; the asking price should be around $120 to $150 at most. As you said, the shipping is also completely unrealistic.
Paul in Liberty County
Thanks, Paul. Long time, no hear. Nice to have the confirmation. I was trying to do a favor for JDA001. He’s looking for a breakbarrel smoothbore for shooting darts.
JDA001, if you are reading this, check it out on eBay. I think the seller will take offers. At the high price, the Seller might scare off other interested folks. I’ll keep my eye out for other potential dart launchers.
BB-
Regarding the breech seal- could this be a job for the Bar’s Transmission Stop Leak product? Just a thought.
paco,
Let’s get it proud and level first.
BB
Shootski
Everything going OK, as planned?
Bill,
Yesterday after getting home there was what is apparently the typical grit in the eye sensations. I’m wearing my eyeshield, between doing the three different eye drops regimen, with each removal of the ventilated clear eyeshield i note improvement in the visual acuity. I also noted how much my brain liked the matching apparent color temperature of the new IOL.
I had my Day After follow-up with the Opthalmologist this morning. I drove myself to the appointment and was very happy that from the inside view everything was looking good. That was confirmed by the doctor’s exam and her comment; “You are a certified fast healer. The acuity test showed 20/15 improvement to 20/12.5 within a few weeks likely as the minor swelling goes away. The current Intermediate focus is 43cm and i think it is better as i hunt and peck this on my tablet at 25 or so cm range without Readers.
I am SO thankful!
Must launch this to wash hands and go my second round of drops.
My next follow-up appointment is in seven days.
The longlist of activity restrictions are going to drive me crazy, especially the no Aquatic Sports, No lifting weights over 20lbs., NO H.I.I.T. WORKOUTS, and some other activities that will remain (family suitable blog) unstated! They will be lifted eventually….
shootski
Shootski, glad to hear that everything went well. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Glad to hear your report, Shootski. Get well soon.
Great news, glad to hear them! FM would give his kingdom and a horse for just 20/20 visual acuity in each eye, but he’s got no kingdom and no horse.
Congratulations shootski! Hope the fast recovery continues with no bumps.
Get better! That is your priority, the rest can wait.
Henry
Henry_TX,
Thank you, you are totally correct in that take on things Henry!
I will be walking fast a great deal and climbing and descending even more flights of stairs between eyedrop sessions.
shootski
Sounds like a great replacement for the Slavia 630 that has been gone for a number of years.
Accurate and you could plink for hours with no fatigue…a great starter air rifle for adults as well as children.
Today’s blog inspired some springer ideas for Air Venturi.
– Umarex Embark with adult size stock
– Hatsan Mod 33 or 35S with non-fiberoptic sights
– Diana two-forty with non-fiberoptic sights
– Bronco with Diana two-forty’s trigger
– Norica Titan with adult size stock and non-fiberoptic sights
BB, we need a name to define ‘sights without fiberoptics.’
The Umarex Embark action could easily be slipped into stocks with different configurations and lengths. It could easily be a contenter against the two-forty. It could easily be an all day plinker and basement target shooter.
I might do a guest blog on it to complement the one that B.B. already did, because I really gave that thing a thorough shakedown, and now I have a chronograph to play with as well!
The Umarex Embark stock is 12 inches and can be lengthened to 13 with a plastic insert under the buttplate and the included longer screws. I would have loved a 10 inch stock for teaching my then-8 year old son how to shoot. As it was, the worst has happened. He could not shoot it accurately, immediately got discouraged, and hasn’t shown any more interest in shooting since. I messed up getting him interested in my two loves: shooting/hunting and fishing.
All whining aside, the Embark would be great with a stock with an adjustable cheek piece from 10 to 13 or 14 inches, and an adjustable cheek piece. Something like that could be used to train all shapes and sizes of new shooters, from 8 years to 80 years. I had a lot of trouble keeping the peep sight from drifting back on the dovetail as well, so a scope stop hole would also be a welcome addition.
I’m guessing by ordering extra inserts and finding longer screws, the LOP could be easily extended more. But, the grip size doesn’t seem to be large enough for adults at all. I’d love to see it in an adult stock outfit.
Yeah, 10 to 14.5 inch LOP would be great, but what about the grip size?
Agree on the grip size. Too small for even my medium-sized mitts. My pinky would normally be under the grip.
Fiber-Free Sights? That’s in reply to Fish’s request for a definition of non-fiberoptic sights.
FM,
Fiber-Free Sights! Good one. Thank you.
You see, normally, when we say just sights, it should mean sights without fiberoptics. But as the fiberoptics are everywhere in the breakbarrel springer world lately, I feel the need to have a practical name.
I was thinking, NF Sights – as the shortcut of ‘non-fiberoptics.’ Or we could also name them as FF Sights – as the short of Fiber-Free.
Another one, which I might’ve mentioned it back in time, Matte Sights. Also, Dull Sights, Flat Sights, Dim Sights, Opaque Sights.
I almost wanna call them, Fish Sights. 😉
Fish
I understand why Diana has started to sell cheaper airguns. It’s business, and I’d rather see cheap Dianas than no Dianas at all. But, Diana has always been a premium airgun brand.
350 Magnum Premium is still a ‘premium’ model. I’d like to also see a 34 Premium – with premium, I mean T06 trigger and 350 Magnum Premium’s globe sights. And a 240 Classic as well – of course, again with T06 trigger and 350 Magnum Premium’s globe sights. That way, Diana will still be selling a line of quality breakbarrels along with the new models.
Such 34 Premium would be cheaper than the EMS. And such 240 Classic, if it could happen cheaper than HW30S, would fill an empty spot in the breakbarrel air rifle market today.
Talking about the empty spot, how about a 5.15 ft/lb tune kit for HW30S?
Fish I completely agree with you.
Nothing wrong with having a “value line” (two forty; add a three forty?) designed in Germany and made in [somewhere else] and a “premium line” made in Germany (M34 and bring back the M24, and even nicer versions, Diana used to have a Model 36 and 38).
Roamin Greco,
I would even give the value line a different name – like what Squire is to Fender. I would keep the premium line as Diana, and call the value line Apollo, for example. I really wish Diana had a child, but as far as I know she had no children. But, if I am not mistaken, she had a sibling, Apollo (Hellenistic). And Apollo was a god of archery as well, along with other things. You see Diana is equated with the Greek goddess, Artemis. And Artemis had a twin brother, Apollo. And Diana took in much of Artemis’s mythology early in Roman history. There are more details, independent origin in Italy, but I am lost already. 😉 I wouldn’t call it Artemis though, as I believe there is a Chinese airgun manufacturer named after that one.
https://www.shootersdenstore.com/collections/artemis-airguns
Fish
Earlier, in part-one comments, some folks called Diana, the Greek goddess, but if I am not mistaken, her Greek name is Artemis. The goddess Diana is her Roman equivalent. Diana took up Artemis’s mythology early in Roman times, though she had her individual roots in Italy. Again, if I am not mistaken. It was long time ago, when I read about that.
I don’t know the Roman part, but what you said about Artemis is consistent with what I learned in (U.S.) public school.
Whatever you want to call the value line is OK. On the auction sites they are sometimes called “Blue Line.”
I remember visiting the site of the Temple of Artemis / Artemision, Ἀρτεμίσιον, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, with my parents at Ephesus, Selçuk in İzmir, when I was a kid. The same temple was also known as the Temple of Diana. Artemis, Ἄρτεμις, is the goddess of hunt, along with a few other things in ancient Greek religion and mythology. Diana is her Roman equivalent. But hard to simplify it by saying Greeks used to call her Artemis, and Romans Diana. Diana has a lot from Artemis but also has her independent origin.
Fish,
Here is the 34 Premium with T06 trigger and globe sights. I have seen it retail in Germany for similar or even a little less than the 34 EMS.
Fish,
Brand new. It’s a beauty, ain’t it?
Strange that Pyramyd AIR don’t stock it, as I’m sure it would sell like hotcakes on a cold day
BB, deleted the earlier replies. 🙂
That one with the standard stock would be at a reasonable price.
Fish,
Yes, I deleted those comments because we do not make links to other vendors in competition with Pyramyd AIR.
BB
BB,
My bad. Sorry. I thought it would be okay as that 34 was not offered at the link anymore. I’ll be more mindful next time.
Fish
BB,
I know this is not related to today’s blog, but I’ve just read this on Vortek website for the HW50-PG4 STEEL (7.5fb-10J) Tune Kit:
TUNE APPLICATION 7.5 Joules/500 ftps
The ADJUSTABLE HELICAL GUIDE
Lowest Power output: 500fps(.17cal)/115 m/s CP7.9g
So, you can lower the 10J down to 7.5J? Is the kit adjustable? Was the adjustment clipping off the 2 inches? I think I’m missing something here.
Fish
Folks,
I would like to officially call the sights without fiber optics, FISH SIGHTS. From now on, when I say “Fish Sights,” I’ll mean non-fiber-optic sights.
Example: “Crosman 362’s and HW30S’s sights are fish sights.” Because they don’t have fiber optics.
“Does two-forty have fish sights?” No, because two-forty’s sights come with fiber optics.
Fish
Fish, I thought we had agreed on “traditional open sights.” See: /blog/2023/02/tx200-mark-iii-part-8-2/#comment-499520
Yeah, I remember that. Traditional sights are also awesome. Because we had had sights long before the fiber optics emerged. When you say Traditional, it tells a lot, just like Artillery Hold.
But if we use Fish Sights, the traditional sights will be named after a great man. :-b Also, the name fish is catchy.
How about t-sights? ‘T’ as the initial of traditional. With only one letter, we’ll be telling the whole idea.
Whatever we choose, let’s stick to it this time.
I’m traditional, so I like to spell things out. I humbly suggest “Traditional Sights.” “T-sights” reminds me of “T-shirts.”
And for when I want to honor a great man, I’ll call them “Fish sights.” ;o)
So, we have:
Traditional Sights
Fiber-Free Sights
Both are to the point. Let’s use them randomly and see if either will be accepted and used by the others as well – let the community decide.
I might call them Fish Sights from time to time though. 😉