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By Joseph from USA on 2010-09-10 07:49:00
I like the fact that the Crosman 64 sight fits older models of Benjamin 397's despite the claim that it only fits models made within the last five years. I currently own a Benjamin Model 397 that I bought in about 1994, and I affixed this sight to it without any problems. This sight is well-made, is tiny in size, and it works very well.Things I would have changed:
Nothing except perhaps to remove the disclaimer abot this sight fitting only Benjamin/Sheridan air rifles made in the last five years.What others should know:
Yes, to remove the original sights on the Benjamin Model 397/392, I recommend these following actions: (1) get yourself a flat-edge screwdriver at least 1/4"-wide by about 8"-long. Also get a rubber mallet or a small ball-peen hammer. Bring these items close to you. (2) Make sure the rifle is unloaded. (3) Stand you 397 so that the stock rests on a hard surface with the barel pointing upwards. (4) Ask an assistant to hold the rifle with his/her hand located towards the front sight area. (5) Using the screwdriver and mallet/hammer, gently--GENTLY--tap one of the two rails that holds the original rear sight in place until it moves downward from its original position. You want to move this rail at least 1/2 - 3/4". (6) STOP. (7) Switch sides: tap the other rail gently so that it moves about the same distance as the first. (8) STOP. (9) Repeat these actions until both rails drop free. Make sure you gently tap the rails with the hammer and screwdriver. Failure to comply could easily result in you damaging the rifle beyond repair should you break the solder connection between the barrel and the pump chamber. SO BE CAREFUL!!!
By mark from USA on 2015-06-20 13:49:11
Technically it "fits" my Benjamin 397. The screw holes align. Unfortunately without modification it won't even get on the paper at 10 meters.Things I would have changed:
How about not saying that it fits a model of airgun when you cannot get on the paper without major material removal. I took so much off the thing is a just a shiny metal object and it is still 6 inches high at 10 meters with several weights and types of .177 pellets.(at least it is consistently bad)What others should know:
Based on other reviews, this obviously works well for some models. For my newer 397 it was a waste of money and my limited leisure time. Pyramyd has a 30 day return policy so be sure to try it out before that period. I should have sent the thing back after first use.
Quality materialThings I would have changed:
Shims would help for the Benjamin 392, the vertical adjustment bottoms out.What others should know:
Had to shorten the vertical adjustment a little with a Dremial. The sights were high on lowest setting that I could get.
Having purchased these sights previously, I know they are top quality, accurate and dependable. You can count on theses Williams sights to perform without fail, in any weather condition. They are a "Perfect" match for the Benjamin 392S/397S air rifles, that is all I use them on and I have three.Things I would have changed:
I wouldn't change anything.What others should know:
Kudos to Pyramid Air! Top notch customer service. My most recent Williams sight had a mounting screw missing from the factory packaging. I emailed PA that evening and asked if they could mail me a screw. The next day I had a response that they received my order and would be getting it out promptly. Three days later I received a New Complete Williams 64 sight in the mail, no questions asked and no request to return the unit with missing screw. Yes, this is why I shop Pyramid Air! You can bet I'll be shopping there more too.
Fast shipping I like how well the sight fits and the description was great and installation was easyThings I would have changed:
The installation screws were a little too long so I had to grind one thread off each screw so they would not bind on the boltWhat others should know:
This is a great site for air gunners
Excellent fit. Looks great and works fantastic.Things I would have changed:
Nothing really about the product itself, though shipping cost was nearly as much or more than actual sight. Shipped to Canada.What others should know:
I installed it on a 1976 Sheridan Blue Streak so had to drill and tap receiver.
Worked perfectly , easy to mount , and sighted in at 20 yards.. on my 392Things I would have changed:
NothingWhat others should know:
I have read where some people have said that they couldnt get the sight low enough,,, I did not have an issue with this.. I did take a lighter and put a suet smoke on my front sight to eliminate glare and sharpen up the aim.. For a hunting sight where you lock all adjustments . it will work perfectly!!! great for my 58 yr eyes !!
This is a very well made product similar to the sight I had on Sheridan air rifle as a teenager. It installed easily on recent model Benjamin 397 just lowering but not removing stock sight (although it is slightly visible at the bottom of the peep circle). IMO this style sight is very suitable for the overall accuracy and range capability of a pump pellet rifle that I use 80% indoors at 10-20 yards. A scope is not easy to mount without interfering with my grip for pumping the gun, and I have other scoped rifles pellet and otherwise.Things I would have changed:
Nothing on this rear sight but will modify front post to be more visible.What others should know:
For very short range shots at small animals I like that the sight line and bore of the gun are very close compared to a scope that would sit higher. If a critter is on the hot tub I don't need to open a window very far to target it and am not likely to hit the cover of the tub because the pellet is traveling 3cm below my line of sight as it would be with a scoped rifle.
Hands-down far superior to a Buckhorn sight for aging peepers.Things I would have changed:
At this price point you probably could not feasibly do it but, some click indications would be greatly appreciated.What others should know:
The mounting screws that came with my side did not impede upon the travel of my bolt. You will have to be careful when making your adjustments as it is easy to move the sight more than you anticipate as there are no click adjustments.
Good quality. Excellent fit.Things I would have changed:
The sight doesn't go low enough. Shoots high at 20 yards.What others should know:
I filed the front sight flat, ( it had a slight crown on top) and I glued a fiber optic light pipe to the front sight. It added just the right amount of height to the sight. Its proven to be a little fragile. But works well.
Good quality peep sight.Things I would have changed:
Peep support screws could be better finished.
It was easy to install, much better than open sights for my older eyes.Things I would have changed:
Needs a little more windage adjustment.What others should know:
Had to move the sight all the way to the left to zero. Almost ran out of adjustment but turned out OK.
The same excellent sight that I put on my 392 years ago.Things I would have changed:
nothingWhat others should know:
Sadly if you are buying this for the new model 392s/397s you may be very disappointed. The new synthetic stock Benjamin multi pumps are pretty much scope only now since the cheek rest on the new stocks are so high you will struggle with any open sights.
Airgun partsThings I would have changed:
noWhat others should know:
Well constructed. Old eyes don't like blade sights so these peep sights are a significant improvement.Things I would have changed:
A set of instructions would had been nice as well as another aperture insert so we would have a choice of at least 2 sizes. For the price I paid, both of these wouldn't be out of line. A screw to fine tune the windage like the elevation has would be nice also. As it is, you just loosen the set screws and slide it over.
It looks like a quality sightThings I would have changed:
The screws that came with the sight are to long they press against the bolt so Gunsmithing will be required to install this sightWhat others should know:
I know filing down two screws will not be a deal breaker for most people, BUT I believe it is the Industry standard that if gun smithing is required it should be clearly stated that gun smithing will be required.
Excellent build quality. Much cleaner sight picture than factory sights. Elevation and windage marks are easy to see. Overall a good addition to the rifle.Things I would have changed:
Adjustments are better than the factory sights but still a bit crude. The sights can't be adjusted "on the fly" like other offerings from Williams. The bearing that locks the elevation adjustment likes to stick when the elevation screw is loosened.What others should know:
If you prefer open sights but want something more precise than the factory semi-buckhorn, then this is for you. The sight mounted easily and does not interfere with the rifle's controls. The appature is also removable and interchangeable with other sizes. Williams even offers a brass appature if you want to strip the finish from your gun to expose it's brass barrel.
Easy to install and set up, big difference in accuracy. Highly recommend over the factory sights if you are a little older and eyes not as good as they used to be.Things I would have changed:
Nothing - great sight that's easy to setup and use.
Perfect for the 393 and accurate. Adjustments made easy as was installation.What others should know:
Purchase with the 392 as open sights such for us more mature shooters with bifocals and progressive glasses.
The peep sight looks great on my old Benjamin 397PA. It is much older than the 5-years recommended in the description by manufacturer. (approximately 1990 era made in Racine, Wisconsin before Crosman bought them out) It gets my groups at 10 yards as close as the optical sight I put on the gun a few years ago. With the peep sight I don't have to place my chin on the stock to get my eye in line with the scope, so I can now use the rifle with my cheek on the stock which is more comfortable and reliable for sighting in. The aperture that comes with it is .093 inches in diameter, but you can get interchangeable ones at .05 inches which will squeeze the groups even more. The packaging calls this the Williams 5D series not the Williams 64 peep sight. It is the same and does fit my Benji very well. No problems with P.O.I. being too high as others have stated, and no mod. to the sight needed. The screws that fit the holes in the side of the gun were a fraction too long, see below for fix.Things I would have changed:
1. As stated above, the screws were two or three turns too long. That caused the screws to bind against the bolt and not allowing it to move. This was easily fixed by wrapping some small amount of washer packing below the head of the screw and screwing it back in. The screw heads did not extend beyond the body of the sight and did not interfere with the elevation mechanism, as the second screw is under it, nor bind the bolt any more; thus problem solved. This could be easily corrected by the manufacturer supplying a slightly shorter screw. 2. Possibly Pyramid Air could carry the smaller aperture as an accessory.What others should know:
The peep sight is more accurate than the manufacturer's fixed open sight. It is easier to get target acquisition than the original sight, and may aid older eyes like mine. The original rear sight on the gun must be removed, which is not a problem. Just tap the front edge of the rear sight with a hammer and block of wood knocking it rearward and it will release from the side rails and fall off. Save the side rails and rear sight for later replacement (which you probably will never want to do after using the peep sight. Zeroing in the sight does require you to loosen screws for horizontal (which I did not have to do as it was perfectly centered on the barrel when installed) and loosening one screw for elevation and turning another to raise eye piece. Once zeroed, you are good to go without changing a thing until you change distances. Others have wanted a quicker means of zeroing in, possibly if they are using gun for hunting and having to change distance often, but most of us will not.
Excellent sight for the money...zero install problems and took only a moment to sight in at 25 yardsThings I would have changed:
Maybe some instructions , but easily figured out..What others should know:
I mounted this on 1994 397P with no problems
It is a nice sight. Good picture, easy to install and accurate. Groupings shrink. It even starts off looking nice.Things I would have changed:
For the money I spent on it, I shouldn't have to disassemble, get out a file and paint- there is a ridge that prevents the sight from adjusting all the way down. File, file, file... reassemble, disassemble... Well, you get the picture. Quality control!!!What others should know:
The windage and elevation adjustments are crude, but effective. There are not many other open sight sight options for the 392/397s, and once you have the sight on and in it really is very effective with a significant shrinking of groups. This review may be a little on the negative side, but I would definitely buy this again, but for almost $40 I think they can step it up a little.
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