by Tom Gaylord, a.k.a. B.B. Pelletier
Hatsan’s AT44-10 Long QE is packed with features for airgun hunters.
This report covers:
• Lots of interest
• Firing and the report
• Sight options
One air rifle that surprised me at this year’s SHOT Show was Hatsan’s new Hatsan AT44-10 Long QE. Boy, what a mouthful! But, what an airgun, too! The way it was described to me, it seemed too good to be true.
The AT44-10 Long QE is a 10-shot repeating precharged air rifle that comes in .177, .22 and .25 calibers. In .25 caliber, the circular clip holds 9 pellets, but in the other two calibers it holds 10. I’m testing a .22-caliber rifle, which they say produces up to 38 foot-pounds of muzzle energy on a 2900 psi fill that’s good for 35-45 optimal shots. It has a 2-stage adjustable Quattro trigger that they say can be adjusted very light and crisp.
They also said the rifle is both quiet and accurate, but I don’t need anyone to tell me that. I saw host Rossi Morreale shoot one on the set of the American Airgunner TV show; and, at 35 yards, the pellets went into the same hole. The discharge sound outdoors was very quiet — sounding like a medium-powered spring rifle.
To see how accurate the rifle is, I watched a video of Rick Eutsler shooting it at 50 and 75 yards. The groups he was getting were impressive and exactly what I’d like to get with an accurate PCP at those distances.
The rifle I’m testing has a black synthetic stock — and, yes, it’s hollow. The serial number is 1213 21135. It’s huge! The overall length is 48.90 inches and the weight is 8.60 lbs. without a scope. The barrel is 22.80 inches, which is where the power comes from; because, as you know, a pneumatic always benefits from a long barrel. The length-of-pull measures right at 14 inches and isn’t adjustable for length.
The buttpad is black rubber and can be vertically adjusted for a better fit. The butt has a Monte Carlo profile with a rollover cheekpiece, and the automatic safety is centered at the back of the receiver, making the rifle almost 100 percent ambidextrous. The only thing that favors right-handed shooters is the sidelever bolt handle on the right side of the receiver (it can’t be moved).
The buttpad adjusts up and down.
The black synthetic stock has a rough matte finish that does not slip in your hands. The metal parts are also finished in black matte, so the rifle has the traditional “hunter” look to it.
The 10-shot circular clip (it has no spring, so it isn’t a magazine) fits into the top of the receiver and is locked in place by a brass bolt located on the right side of the receiver. The gun comes with two clips, and each one has a raised central section at the back, preventing it from being installed backwards. An anti-double-feed mechanism also prevents loading more than one pellet into the barrel, which is very handy for a repeater.
The 10-shot circular clip will fit in the rifle only one way.
The air cylinder unscrews from the rifle and can be replaced in the field. That means you don’t have to carry a scuba tank with you when hunting. Just remove the empty cylinder, screw in a new one and you’re back in the game. Each air cylinder has a pressure gauge in its end. The dial is calibrated in bar, and the rifle fills to 200 bar, which is 2900 psi. You’ll spend some time over a chronograph to refine this to every air tank, as each gauge may read a little differently when full. I’ll show you how that’s done in Part 2 of this report.
The pressure gauge on the end of the air cylinder is calibrated in bar.
The rifle fills with a proprietary Hatsan fill probe that inserts into the end of each air cylinder. The other end of the probe has standard 1/8″ BSPP threads that should fit most fill hose connections.
The rifle also comes with a set of o-rings and one seal to rebuild the air cylinder. A degassing tool is supplied, so you can empty the air cylinders without shooting the gun. There are 3 Allen wrenches for adjustments to the trigger and the buttpad.
The rifle comes with installed front and rear 3/4-inch sling swivels. In front of the forearm, there’s a short section of Picatinny rail that will serve as a mounting point for a bipod.
A Picatinny rail at the end of the forearm is perfect for mounting a bipod.
Firing and the report
I couldn’t resist firing the gun, so I loaded and shot five pellets. The report is very quiet, especially when you consider the power this rifle is generating. I won’t chronograph it today because that would be cutting into the next test, but I can tell you that the rifle is very quiet. I heard the pellets breaking the sound barrier (I think), so I’ll have to watch what I shoot.
I noticed that the trigger-pull was heavy, so I took the opportunity to adjust it. The manual was written by someone who understands our language and also understands airgunners. I would have described things in the same way. It made the trigger adjustment very quick and easy.
The trigger adjusts easily with the provided wrenches. You can adjust the weight of the stage-two letoff, the length of the trigger-pull and the weight of stage one.
I’ll save the specifics on the trigger for the next report, but I’ll comment that the Quattro trigger adjusts precisely. I was able to quickly get it where I wanted.
This rifle comes without open sights, which is common for powerful PCPs. So, it needs a scope. And the circular clip sticks up above the top of the receiver, so you either need a 2-piece mount or a mount that will fit on the space behind the clip. I’m thinking that the rifle deserves a really powerful scope, so I’ll probably use a 2-piece mount.
One nice thing about the scope bases on Hatsan PCPs is that they accept both 11mm and Weaver mounts. The way they’re constructed, either type of ring base will work.
The scope base fits both 11mm and Weaver mounts. Watch out for that circular clip, though!
I like what I see so far. I’ve shot other Hatsan PCPs and found them to be good airguns, but the AT44-10 Long QE offers more than anything I’ve tested for this maker. If it lives up to all I have heard, we’re looking at a best buy!
97 thoughts on “Hatsan AT44-10 Long QE: Part 1”
Well I think the Marauder rifle has some new competition to deal with.
I like all those different features the gun has. First off the clip I’m sure will be a faster easier reload than the rotary spring magazines.
And is it as quiet or quieter then the Marauder?
The front picatinny rail underneath is cool. There is so many accessories that use that type of mount it ain’t funny. Lasers, flashlights and like BB said bi-pods.
And the dual 11 mm and weaver mount is a wonderful idea.
But I remember a pistol In pcp that was tested a while back that was made by Hatsan and it didn’t live up to the shot count they said. So hopefully this rifle will be different because I like what I see.
But lets wait and see if it will out shoot a Marauder rifle. Well at least equal a Marauder anyway. That’s what will make it or break it for me. I seriously hope it makes it though. I do like the gun.
I didn’t say it, but this rifle is in direct competition with the Marauder. And, yes, that Hatsan pistol wasn’t that accurate, but I think this will be different. I’ve already seen one shoot on “American Airgunner,” and it was very accurate.
I am with Gunfun on this one. I have been researching/considering getting a 25 PCP ,gun and if this one shoots as good as it looks it will seal the deal. I definitely ,like the fact that it comes with sling mounts, picatinny rail under the front and dual scope mounting rails on top of the receiver. They have done their homework hats for sure. Can’t wait for the next parts of the review. Any info on price yet.
If you click on the link in the first sentence of todays article it will take you to the Hatsan AT44 on PA’s site. Make sure to click on the .25 caliber version. It’s $579.99 and PA has 3 left.
Thanks I also got the Pyramid air catalog and was about to check for it there. I will use the link.
You did say that. And if it holds up to shot count and its accurate. Then I think they will have a winner.
But here is a question that I don’t know if I should ask. When I purchase a gun that isn’t made in the USA I always worry about if I can get it fixed or if I can get parts. I wonder how that works with the Hatsan guns?
That’s like the AirForce guns and the Crosman/Benjamin guns I know I can send it back or I can order parts from them. Heck I was skeptical about buying the FX gun and something happening to it.
Ain’t nothing I hate worst than a gun being down and I can’t get parts for it.
Many parts are available for the Hatsan guns from HatsanUSA. Umarex has also been very good about fixing Hatsan’s and MAY? have parts for sale. If you buy a Hatsan from Pyramyd Air I’m sure they can take care of any problems too like they have done many times in the past.
I know PA is good about taking care of things. I just have never dealt with trying to get parts for Hatsan guns or from Umarex for that fact.
That’s why I wanted to know. That will help to make the decision easier if somebody is interested in the rifle I’m sure. And thanks Kevin.
Not too long ago the Hatsan AT44 (not the QE version that BB is reviewing today) shipped with a bag of replacement O rings and seals. Don’t know if this is still being done since nothing is said about it on the Pyramyd Air site. Once upon a time the Hatsan AT44 was also offered with an optional Lothar Walther barrel. Think it was a $90.00 option. Don’t know if that is still being offered for this new model either since nothing is said on the PA site about that either.
These might be questions that B.B. can answer in a day or two.
I mentioned it in this report, under the picture of the gauge.
Apologies. Glossed over that. Please fire me.
Can’t do that. I outsourced your position but I still need you to do the actual work.
Now I have two jobs like this.
I will have to see if the LW barrel is still an option. That would be nice if it is.
Thank you for adding to my load of work 🙂 I’ve edited all the QE-series Hatsan rifles so they state the correct accessories.
Oops. Would YOU please fire me.
No can do. You have high entertainment value. Plus, who would we dump on?
I can tell you from experience that Umarex is very easy to do business with. I recently worked on a customers RWS model 54 that was missing the all of the side cocking lever parts and had the link at the breach broken. I called them with part numbers that I got from the schematic off of Pyramidair site ( 25 parts to be exact) they were very patient and helpful with quoting me prices to give my customer and had everything in stock ready to be shipped. my customer agreed to the price for repairing the 54 and Umarex shipped the parts right away and had them in my hands 3 days later. Repaired the gun and was able to complete from getting the gun on a Friday to returning to customer the following Friday. So I know parts from Umarex are easy to obtain, I can’t speak for Hatsan though.
Hatsan Customer Service, aided by Rick Eustler, is outstanding.
I currently have 4 Hatsan PCPs and one Break Barrel under warranty.
Are the guns perfect? No, yet out of 5•••I have only sent one in for warranty.
The Galation lV .25. had an air cylinder nut hammer alignment issue and hairy trigger. Fixed and returned in 10 working days and 10 FedEx days..
They mailed me a new Truglo front site for the AT44WS-10 .22 (little red filament disappeared).
They mailed me breech seals for the 125TH Mod NP, and breech seals for BT65 Elite and Galation lV.
For some reason, the Galation has lost some power and Hatsan mailed me a free shipping ticket using the original RMA. They also sent me a 2nd air cylinder for the Galation in case the original one failed. ($169 retail kiss from Hatsan, as were all the seals I just asked for and they obliged).
BTW, the Galation .25, I sent in, laid down a 13 round clip to target at 25 yards of .270 CtC all one hole..
The AT44WS-10 .22 posted a .140°°° 5 round group at 25 yards.
Rick Eustler using the same gun Master B.B. is reviewing,
Posted a .120◇◇◇ 5 round group on his last test of the AT44-10 QE .22.
Correct me if I am wrong, but can a $3,000 .22 Daystate group any better then Rick’s .120 for 5 @ 25yards ?
Testimony to Hatsan CS and Hatsan PCP accuracy.
Just received the AT44W Long .25 yesterday. So I am expecting great things from it, it is same gun B.B. is reviewing except, I require an air stripper, so no LDC aka QE.
The little AT44WS-10 .22 shoots completely thru the 1″ plywood target backing at 100 yards. It is factory rated as 31FPE, the long version is rated at 42 FPE. Raining and I have to play inside, so no shooting the new toy yet.
And thanks Master B.B., for your decades of sharing your AG knowledge.
I don’t know if you read in other parts of the blog but I did get a AT44-10QE .177 cal. I had a few issues that I didn’t care for and they were just personal preferences and easy fixes.
The loud ping the gun made when it shot and the barrel band moving the barrel around when you picked the gun up by the stock. No more barrel band around the barrel. The barrel just floats kind of like how Benjamin does the Marauders.
And I made a single shot tray for it also which is worked out real nice. The gun will no keep up with my .177 Marauder as far as group shooting goes. And my .177 Marauder is a tack driver.
So yes I’m very happy with it now. And thanks for the info about yours.
Glad both guns are working out for you. I can’t imagine shooting an AT44 in .177. Unless Hatsan detunes their .177 version significantly, I would guess it would shoot way to hot.
I am guessing your AT44 needs a heavy pellet to avoid tumbles.
Since you get good groups from your Mrod, then you are a proficient shooter.
I hate to hear of a Hatsan PCP that doesn’t shoot “lights out”, lol
Enjoy shooting today. Mister stormy skies has me trapped in the house today. Retired and normally shoot every day.
I don’t think I am steady enough to single tray load like you.
The Mrods likes 10.34 JSB’s.
I tried them in the Hatsan bit it didn’t like them. It ended up liking the Crosman pop premier heavys in the box. They are 10.5 grn. Its shooting them right at 1000 fps. Any faster and they would probably not work out.
And the tray I made you can only load from the right. The tray is raised above the pellet on the left side. The right side of the tray has a little raised ramp that angles down to the probe area. You just lay the pellet on the tray and rolls down in place. Real easy to use. The pellet pretty much loads itself.
I have posted pictures of it before. But I will post one later so you can see.
Worst case scenario you could probably order them from up north. We’ve been getting Hatsans rifles for a quite a few years now.
Hatsan is one of the few manufacturers (with Weihrauch) who are willing to make detuned versions for the Canadian market. You can get a sub 500fps air cylinder since the valve is at the end of the cylinder and get a lot more shot if you want to plink or shoot in your basement/garage and switch to the high power one for hunting.
A lot of shooters do that here.
J-F and buldawg that is exactly what info I was looking for. Thanks
That makes me feel better about getting a Hatsan.
I just hope the accuracy part holds true.
Well if it’s anything like mine, it’ll be great.
If you can find the Pneuma and/or hailstorm reports by B.B. you’ll have a good idea of how they perform.
Like I said, the springers are horrible but the PCP’s seem quite good!
What one do you have?
I have the AT44 with the synthetic thumbhole stock 10 shot repeater in short, Canadian de-tuned, non silenced version and I love it.
I had a fill probe that ends in a foster fitting machined for it so I can keep the female foster fitting on my tank and fill both my Crosman 1701P and Hatsan without having to unscrew the adaptor everytime.
So you have had good luck with it then. Thats what Im looking for is somebody that has a Hatsan.
Have you had it for a while? No little problems that popped up?
Im not try to pick at the gun. I just know that it seems that different guns have thier little issues that surface after you start spending some time with them.
I’ve had it for a few years now and it’s still doing good. You can find a lot of info on the Canadian Airgun Forum (or CAF). Some people have disassembled every part in them and polish hard and not perfectly casted parts. The bolt was a little stiff at first but it was smooth before the end of the second mag (or clip).
The only complain I have is the stupid automatic safety, I hate those.
The more I hear about them the more I think I will end up with one.
I know that the air gunners over there were they are made a pretty serious about air guns.
We have some Bosnians,Checklosavians and Croations at work that came over here back during the war. They are pretty heavy into airguns. They are some of the people that come over to my house and shoot sometimes.
So Im very interested in this new gun.
You’ve got it on the head about the features, dual capable rails is thoughtful extra that hopefully becomes more common. With such length, the bi-pod will probably be a chosen attachment for many buying this. Is this made in turkey like the majority of Hastans? They put some sturdy equipment out of turkey and I’ll bet this isn’t a fragile pcp as some appear to me to be, maybe they aren’t, I just get an impression of “finicky” that I wouldn’t want to bang around in the field with. When the compact version comes out, I’ll have an eye on it.
Yes, this rifle is made in Turkey.
Gunfun1 expressed my thought exactly. The Marauder arrived first, and I don’t see anything to dislodge it. The only complaint I ever heard about the Marauder was from our own Jane Hansen who said that the action was too big and blocky looking…
Mike, you’re about the first person I’ve heard of with an accurate Arisaka. But I think you’re right that the problem might have been quality control. There was nothing wrong with the design which was basically a Mauser copy. On the other side of the case, I understand that the German quality remained to the end even when their country was falling apart around them. The finish might have been rougher but the functional quality was still there. The German Krupp factory even had some technique of hardening the steel that could not be reproduced by other countries such as Yugoslavia which had to bulk up the construction of their Model 48 Yugo rifle with extra metal to compensate.
Last night, I was looking through the latest PA catalog. Our very own Tom and Edith Gaylord are a machine with all that copy produced. That is a major undertaking. I recognize the blog antecedents of some articles such as the one about reading targets. Anyway, this is way better than what you get with most catalogs or promotional literature. I hope it gets appreciated. As a matter of fact, I did sign up a friend for a PA catalog as part of getting her the UTG flashlight. Now it is bearing fruit and she is inquiring about air handguns and pellet traps. Patience, my friend. I’ll try not to go overboard with my suggestions. Otherwise, flipping around the catalog, I see a slow evolution of new products, but nothing to challenge my perennial favorites. I continue to mourn the loss of the Feinwerkbau 603 with its single-stroke pneumatic action that would allow me to bypass a pump. I assume that Feinwerkbau stopped making it.
Anyway, I have new questions about my old favorite, the IZH 61. It is a source of growing consternation that all my tens of thousands of airgun rounds are not producing for offhand shooting with the Anschutz at 50 yards. Rested shooting is fine, and I can get ten inside of a dime easily enough. But for standing, I can’t reliably hold the black. I’m starting to wonder if the reticle is the problem. The bulk of my shooting is done with crosshairs through a scope. Some is done through open sights. None whatsoever is done through a peep sight and a globe insert. The training that I’ve done, mostly through the IZH, is for matching my crosshairs to a dot. So, when I use a globe insert, it is unfamiliar, and it seems like the bull dodges out of the circle at the slightest movement. I do dry fire with the Anschutz at home but infrequently. So, my new plan is to divert some of my airgun practice to a globe peep sight arrangement. There is an IZH 61 set up just like that here.
My question is if there is a way to make a conversion from the standard rifle without buying a whole new rifle. That would involve replacing the front post with the globe inserts. Someone once said that the front sight can be easily removed. is that true? Can one buy the front sight to replace it? As for the rear sight, does anyone know if that is sold separately and what the product is? It looks a lot like the Beeman rear sight which I tried to mount once but could not. The only other sight was the Mendoza which I could not adjust to my distances. If it’s either of those sights, there’s no reason to bother. Anyway, any information would be appreciated. At stake is plowing my accomplishments with my IZH 61 into my considerable investment in the Anschutz which so far has not been realized. I will try the other approach of firing the Anschutz with a scope since I seem to have found scope mounts that work. Still, the globe sights are kind of traditional.
In other news, I had a very enjoyable weekend watching the 1979 cult classic The Warriors. Boy, was that entertaining. My kind of movie all the way I will admit. Upon a mature viewing, I see that it starts out with an absurd display of testosterone. But as the movie continues, somewhat in the manner of the caveman film, Quest for Fire, you see human and even sympathetic qualities emerging out of what looks like total brutishness. I also looked at the weaponry of the various New York gangs and was quite unimpressed. They had the usual baseball bats, brass knuckles chains and blackjacks, not to be underestimated. But their knives consisted almost entirely of stilleto style switchblades. They were dangerous with their stabbing design, but they looked flimsy and cheap. Where were the Crocodile Dundee style large knives? And what about the array of interesting tactical folders on the market now all of which would surpass the old switchblades? Did they not have locking folders in the 70s?
And what about the guns? All they had were little snub-nosed revolvers which were quite uncommon. And when they appeared, they were like a nuclear weapon. Why weren’t the gangs awash with guns? Come to think of it, where were the assault weapons? Both the M16 and the AK47 had a long history by then. Were these not available in semiautomatic form at that time? When did all that start? Anyway, I came to the conclusion that I, as a 21st century plinker, am way better armed than most of the New York gang members in that film.
I don’t have a complaint about the Marauder. As a matter of fact mine is shooting more accurately now than it ever has. I can’t figure out why but lately I have been getting as good or better accuracy from the Marauder as I am from my A.A. S400 MPR FT. However, the Marauder trigger is still not nearly as good. I love the glass rod crisp break feel on my triggers and the Marauder’s is just not that crisp. Still, it’s not hurting my ability to shoot it one bit. It’s just a preference I guess, not a problem.
I recently put a new custom wood stock on my Marauder that fits my hands so much better and also decreased the weight. Maybe that’s why I’m shooting so much better with it
I still believe the more comfortable a gun feels the easier it is to shoot it good.
I bet the stock is helping. But I know you just dont want to brag about how good you can shoot. 😉
What? Me brag? Perish the thought. It seems that I am going through one of those periods when there is abrupt, significant improvement. It happens to everyone and is usually followed by a period of basically stagnant growth. Then the growth comes again. Its an endless cycle.
In my exsperiance the growth times dont seem to happen as much as I would like.
My problem is I got to try to remember what I did the last time that worked out good. Then I forget what I was trying to remember.
By the way what were we talking about?
Well, it looks like somebody has been listening to the customers and is putting forth some serious effort to give them what they are asking for. Like GF1 said though, we have yet to see a Hatsan live up to any of our expectations. I am still hoping to have you do a review of the Hatsan Dominator.
Yes, you are right about Hatsan not living up to their hype, but I think this rifle will be different. In fact, it already is, from the little I have seen.
From what I have seen on the net with this rifle I am guessing that it will not be necessary to put a LW barrel on it. I don’t know off-hand if this is an option for the gun or not but as I said, I don’t think it’s going to be necessary. We’ll see but I suspect this rifle might out shoot the Marauder at 50 yards or more.
At 8.6 pounds, guess I leave the party for this old guy…
Old Town Orcutt, California
Orcutt , named after Dean of Petroleum Geology…
Was the video of Rick Eutsler shooting at 50 and 75 yards the AT44-10 Long QE or the AT44-10 QE (the shorter version)? What differences would you expect between the longer and shorter models?
During Rick Euster’s multi part written review of the Hatsan AT44-10 QE he never mentioned whether he was shooting the Long version or the regular version. Between parts 2 & 3 he was asked to send the gun back since Hatsan had made other commitments to other reviewers for the gun. Part 3 had quite a delay in getting completed for this reason. In the video, to my eye, it looks like he is shooting the regular length version (45.4 inches) of the Hatsan AT-44 10 QE but at the end of the video when he’s shooting at 75 yards it looks like the Long version (48.9 inches). Could just be the camera angle since the difference in length between these two models is only 3.5 inches.
To answer your other question, the difference in length between these two models is length of the BARREL’S. As B.B. mentioned in todays article and others, “a pneumatic always benefits from a long barrel”. In other words, all things being equal a longer barrel means higher velocity.
The velocity specs on PA’s site states the manufacturers specs are that the AT44-10 QE Long generates 1,170 fps in .177 and 1,070 fps in .22 whereas the AT44-10 QE Regular length version generates 1,070 fps in .177 and 970 fps in .22.
It looks like a good gun, but I just don’t think it’s for me. It’s long, heavy, the pressure gauge is in a kind of inconvenient place and it has an automatic safety. (An auto safety wouldn’t usually bother me, but I don’t want that on a repeater) I do think it will be very successful but these things would make me not buy this rifle. While I do think it is probably a good gun for this price range, I still think the Marauder is the best for this much money. Just my opinion.
Appears that the Hatsan AT44-10 aka Hammerli Pnuema Elite 10 was given a new stock and fitted with a suppressor and given a new model name QE.
If so, it’s a good marketing move since the major complaint from airgunners was that the original AT44-10 was very loud. Sumatra loud.
Lots of folks have commented on the new Hatsan AT44-10 QE. In general a good gun. You MUST clean the barrel on these guns and pay attention to pellet clipping in the suppressor if your goal is ultimate accuracy with these new models.
Hammerli is from umarex though, and they have stuff from turkey, (walther, hammerli?) I notice a lot of similarities in the guns from turkey, and other countries ie. China, have similarities, but not as stone cold obvious. Must be the number of factories.
Just received my new Pyramyd Air full color catalog.
Not for years has anyone put out a better airgun catalog. The enormous effort this requires is readily apparent.
Great full color photo’s
Descriptions of airguns that qualify this publication to be called an airgun digest
Loaded with great articles like How to select an airgun, Reading targets, Demystifying Scopes, etc., etc.
I like how sprinkled throughout the catalog/digest is encouragement to visit this Blog if you have more questions or want more information about airguns. In this vein, are there any readers of this Airgun Blog that were directed here because of the encouragement to do so in the Pyramyd Air catalog?
ps-page 13 got me very interested in the Whiscombe JW 75. Per the info on page 13 I’ve placed my order and hope to receive it in 10 months as indicated!
Is there a new one out? I have volume 4….
The catalog I just received from Pyramyd Air is volume 5.
Hmm, I will have to check the mail to see if I got my new catalog yet.
The catalogs mailed on June 2 and have just started to hit homes. We just got our copy last Friday.
Awesome, looks like I better hurry up and order something!
I have been reading quite a bit about AT44’s lately. One feature that is little foggy, however, is the 11mm/weaver/picatinny receiver mount. In at least a couple of the accounts that I have come across, the author related that they were unable to get weaver or picatinny rings to fit, and had to use tip-off rings to mount a scope. Yes, they were pretty surprised, too, given the crosscuts on the receiver. Could you please check to confirm that both styles of rings actually work?
I’m glad you brought that up. Just because they are there doesn’t mean they will work. I have ran into that before with the weaver/picatinny rails in the past. I would like to know that also.
I second that along with GF. It will be good to know.
I will definitely use Weaver rings when I mount a scope!
Edith I have a question for you.
The last couple of days when I get my emails from replies that are made from other people I keep getting multiple emails.
Sometimes like 4 or 5 repeats of the same email and it will be through out the day. Is this something on my end. And I never have encountered this before. ??
If anyone else who gets comments emailed to them is also getting duplicates, please let me know.
I get all copies of comments and am getting only 1 of each.
First let me apologize for going off topic, but I have some hot news for owners of Walther Lever Action Rifles that use the 88 g CO2 cylinders. You might recall your blog about CO2 in the last few weeks in which I mentioned the possibility of Umarex selling 2×12 g CO2 adapters in the US for the Walther Lever Action Rifle. Tim Smith, publisher of Airgun Hobbyist magazine, was talking with a contact at Umarex about this possibility. Tim sent me an email today saying that Umarex now has these 2×12 g CO2 adapters for the Walther Lever Action rifle available right now today in their US parts department. I just placed my order for one. The parts technician quoted me a price of $59.95. If any of you reading this blog have the newer Walther Lever Action Rifle and would like an alternative to the 88 g CO2 cylinder, call Umarex at 479-646-4210.
Thanks for this heads up!
I’ve been told that Pyramyd Air will also be stocking these.
That’s good. I had not heard that.
Do you know when Pyramid Air will stock this 2 x 12 adapter? I’m getting ready to place an order but will wait a little longer if they will be available soon.
Sorry, but I don’t have that exact info. If I had to guess, I’d say it should be in stock within a couple weeks, but don’t hold me to that.
Is there an advantage to using two 12g cartidges as opposed to the 88g? The 88g are no problem to obtain so I’m just wondering why I would want the adapter.
G & G
It’s a matter of preference, available time for shooting, and how much you want to shoot. If you only have a short amount of time for shooting and only want to shoot maybe 100 shots, then the 2X12 g CO2 adapter would be preferred. On the other hand if you have more time for shooting the full 88 g CO2 and shooting 400 to 500 shots, then the 88 g would be preferred. For me most of the time, I don’t have enough time to shoot the full 88 g CO2, so I want the option to shoot the rifle using the smaller CO2 on those occasions.
Spend the money and buy a Weihrauch HW100 and you’ll always be happy and never regret it, kind of like marrying to the right woman. You will enjoy it until death do you part.
The HW100 is a good gun and might be right for some airgunners. I sold mine.
Why did you sell your HW100?
Too heavy and didn’t like the fit of the stock.
My HW100 FSB weight about the same as the Hatsan AT44W-10, but it feels lighter because it is not muzzle heavy. I do agreed with you about the size of the HW100 stock, but that is also true to all the other air rifles I own (HW, Diana, Daisy, & crosman), except for my FWB 10-meter air rifles. I wish my other air rifles have an adjustable cheek piece and butt plate. As for my HW100, I replaced the original rubber butt pad with an adjustable butt plate (by MEC), and now it fits much better. I planned to attach an extra cheek piece on my HW100 stock to get the EXACT fit I want.
Yesterday I measured my HW100 FSB and it weighs 8.35 Lbs. The Hatsan AT44W-10 Carbine version weighs 8.55 Lbs. My HW100 is balance in the off hand position, meaning by supporting it just forward of the trigger, the muzzle did NOT drop down. So I just don’t see your claim/complaint as being a heavy gun. The HW77/97, R11, HW90, R1, TX200, Diana 48 all weigh more than the HW100. So why did you sold your HW100 ???
Did you really owned a HW100 before ???
Did you really owned a HW100 before?
Here is a link to an article that B.B. did on his R8 back in 2010.
If you scroll through the comments you will see where I answered another blog reader about his request for a comparison of the HW100 and the AA S410.
As long as YOU like the HW100 that’s all that matters isn’t it?
Did you really owned a HW100 ?
So magazine is the correct terminology only if the device has a spring? I’ve been incorrectly calling the Umarex 8 pellet clip a magazine all these years!
I used to worry about the magazine vs. clip terminology when writing up products on Pyramyd Air’s website, but it’s a losing battle. It’s not just airgunners who don’t know, it’s also firearm shooters. Even retailers of firearm products who employ only avid shooters mix up these 2 terms in their descriptions.
In the strictest sense, yes, it is. The M1 Garand has an internal magazine that accepts 8-round clips.
But I wouldn’t worry about it. We all mix the terms up.
Actually Mr Gaylord I believe stripper clips do have a single leaf spring in them. At least the ones for my 8mm mauser and my sks do; I cannot speak on the m1 garand stripers as I have never handled one. That would make the correct term for them be “magazine”; no? -Thomas
Welcome to the blog. You are correct that stripper clips do contain a spring, but it isn’t fpr moving the cartridges — it’s for holding them in place. The spring in a true magazine pushes the ammunition through the gun to the mechanism that feeds it into the chamber, where a stripper clip spring is simply a form of clamp.
Garand clips are en-bloc, meaning they hold all the cartridges together in a clump as the magazine pushes them through the clip and into line with the bolt that strips them and feeds them into the chamber.
Thanks for the info and the swift response. I used to post on ‘ole 79537 back in the day and was pleasantly surprised to see that it still exists and so many familiar names are still there (I’ve taken a ten year hiatus from airgunning). I will be ordering an at44pa long in .25 from PA sometime within the next couple of days and was wondering how difficult it is to disable/remove the auto safety. I’m more than capable of keeping my finger out of the trigger guard until time to shoot (I joke but too many people I’ve seen are not). Also can items be paid for with a money order?
I have no idea how hard or easy it is to remove Hatsan safeties, because I don’t do it. I just take them off for each shot.
As far as money orders go, I can’t answer that one. I will ask the salespeople at Pyramyd Air.
Okay, here is their answer They do accept money orders. If they are USPS money orders they get processed right away. For all others they wait 10 days for the money order to clear the bank.
I know it’s kind of early to be asking this but do you know if there are any plans to offer these new Hatsan QE rifles with wood stocks?
Here is how it usually works. A company puts out a new model and waits to see the public acceptance. When they see it, the start expanding the line.
For that reason, I think wood stocks are very possible.
If I’m not mistaken there’s no difference between the different AT models except the length of the airtube and barrel (with a sound reduction device on this one) so wood stocks available for the regular AT44 or hailstorms should fit fine I believe.
I’d say this is a far better gun than crosman’s marauder. Crosman is kind of leaving quality by the was side and Hatsan is doing a really nice job on their guns. I’ve seen their stuff and I really like it much better than Crosman’s trash. Hatsan should school other gun makers on how to do things better.
When did you get a Marauder?
You never mentioned that you got one. Or did I miss that?
Sorry but I just had to ask. 🙂
I fired a friend’s marauder and looked it over carefully. A saw one an a gun shop I go to for black powder and again looked it over. And I really did not like the gun. It took some big bucks to get my disco to a satisfactory level of quality and power. I had to completely gut the gun to make it acceptable. And Crosman seems to come out with cheaper and cheaper guns all the time. If you give me a choice between a crosman and hatsan I’ll take the hatsan. They are simply much better built. They have a better trigger, real metal, real nicely done wood, everything is just done to a higher standard. I’m to a point in my life now where I demand higher quality and am willing to pay for it. I just don’t see crosman as a quality product any more compared to where they used to be.
And everybody is entitled to a opinion.
I hear what you mean about them getting cheaper and cheaper, trying to cover too many markets at once, trying to be “the” airgun company for all things. I think they should find a way to either cover all things and have the price reflect that your a master of none, or pull out of a couple areas and charge 500+$ for a mrod when people agree the quality warrants it, cause your not the only person that thinks they don’t. There is nothing, to me, that stands out on the rodders to say it should cost that much. Given, I’ve never shot one, but, I probably never will, not that I payed for anyway. If you look at the parts in a springer, pumper, and a mediocre pcp, they all require as much material and work to build, the pcp game is just in such an upswing that the hundred dollar pcp is still a few seasons off, just like any other technology, even though pre-charged is about the oldest design of airgun,….. hmmm
Maybe this is a good time to tell about the Crosman/Benjamin guns that you have and are having problems with.
I know there is things that I have seen on different guns that I have or had in the past. But notice that I say the guns that I have or had.
It would be kind of funny if I said that there was problems with a Hatsan or other brand guns if I never owned it.
I might as well say it before it gets erased when BB and Edith see my reply.
Please save the time and space for something important that you may know. Not bashing a product that you don’t or never will own as you say. Maybe you did own a few of there products. And I know you both said you changed things around on the Benjamin/Crosman guns that I know you both said you own. Some people mod things and some don’t. And if you look hard enough at anything there are things that can be found to improve on.
If you ever been involved in racing you would know exactly what I mean. I can’t count the muscle cars that I have had through out time anymore. And as I said and proved to many people that any of the cars could be made to run. And one of the things that you looked for was the quality of a part and how they didn’t get something engineered right. When you find and fix it then that worry is hopefully over.
And I sure ain’t going to put a Corvette down just because Chevy made the Chevette or the Vega. Whoops wait a minute the Vegas were killer cars when you did some changing around on them and dropped in a V-8.
I learned this at the dragstrip along time ago. The people with fast cars could make any car run. The people that were bashin peoples cars seemed not to get it. You could tell them exactly how to do it. And if they didn’t get it to happen. That car was junk in their minds.
Sorry but just get tired of hearing people slamming products. And especially if you never actually got to spend some time with it.
I’m going to ask this and to me it really don’t matter what the out come is. But John tell me how and why you decided to make the changes on your Disco. Let me know so I can see if I want to do that to one of my Disco’s I have the barrel off of right now.
And RDNA I know you did a blog on your Benjamin/Crosman break barrel and some of the things you did to it. And that was cool. But seriously go look at the Marauders blow up view on the Crosman website. The design is actually pretty simple and if you actually owned one you would see that they are pretty easy to work on. Alot of things can be interchanged on the Crosman/Benjamin line of guns. I’m talking their pump guns,pcp’s and Co2 guns. You can change a barrel on a 1377,2240,Disco or even the Marauder just as easy as a AirForce gun. I know I had them both. And the Crosman barrels do cost less than the AirForce barrels. And hold on I didn’t just slam AirForce barrels I said the truth because I know.
And tell me what quality problem you see with a Marauder or 1377 or 2240 or the Disco. And like I said it don’t matter to me if you don’t tell me the quality problems you see with them or not. But I just wonder what you would think is the problem with them.
And then you want to talk about cost. Why does a Cadillac cost more then a Chevy? And why does a FX gun cost more then a Hatsan or AirForce gun or a marauder. The thing is buy them if you want. If you think something might not be good. Don’t buy it. But if you do remember anything can happen to any product. So be ready. And if you don’t own it and you think its not worth it. Well you know what I mean.
I will apologize ahead of time guy’s. I’m sure I’m digging a little deep. Sorry.
I know by not owning or using one my opinion is void, but that’s just what I mean that you said its a simple design, so in my mind it should be maybe 250$ or 300$ tops, that’s all I meant was that Im sure they’re great guns, but the price has me looking at other guns in that price range that seem to be made with that little bit extra that needs to be there for that kind of money. I do think that me never planning to pay that much for a maruader is relevant, people that look and say meehhh and don’t think its worth it are the other half of the overall view of them.
All I can say is that it seems that every third rifle in the UK classifieds (I’m over the pond) is an AT44, though they always review very well……for some reason “real people” seem to move them on a lot.
Hatsan springers aren’t bad, they are just very average, the real irritation is that they are generally quite handsome and relatively well built rifles and the fact they are snappy and inaccurate really bugs you, so much correct but a bit of unsophistication in the powerplant design, unless they can get on top of that (and I suspect they need a reduction in the transfer port size) they will always be tne “nearly man”……..I hope this PCP does better, at least it shows they can make a barrel
I would of already had one of the original models without the sound reducer. But I didnt just becuse of the noise.
I do like to take care of the pest birds once in a while. So if the guns noisy well I might as well just throw a firecracker or something out to scare them away.
So these new silenced models is just what I been waiting for. I like them so far.
I think the writers and testers do the best they can to be fair with all the companies. I own at least 10 different air guns from daisy to Hatsan plus crosmans several models. When I wanted a 25 cal some were just out of my price range but between the benjamin and the Hatsan , when I saw the made in china that made up my mind plus all the videos of the Hatsan reviews with the accuracy and strength chinch it . Last winter my Hatsan stock broke in two after contacting them within two weeks I had a new stock at my door. I just hope it’s not a repeating problem with the plastic they use. I love the gun and the power is super I shot a 50 gallon oil drum from thirty feet and punched a hole in it not thru it but still plenty of power. If it hadn’t of mashed the pellet would have traveled thru the steel . Like the guys say you can modify anything to make it better