Crosman 362
This report covers:
- What is happening?
- The rifle
- The sights
- Trigger
- Bolt handle too short
- ‘Merkun made
- Power
- Sadly
- Summary
Today I begin looking at the Crosman 362 multi-pump air rifle. Now this one has been out for a while and reader GunFun1 has told us a lot about it. But my look will be more basic.
What is happening?
With the 362 and the Seneca Dragonfly Mark 2 multi-pump we now have two delightful new multi-pumps that should appeal to many shooters. And it has already been predicted that this one spells the end for the Benjamin 392 and 397 that don’t really exist anymore anyway. They became the Variable Pump Air Rifles in a very subtle way, and with that change they got a stock with a cheekpiece that makes it impossible for a shooter to use the open sights they come with.
This “family picture” shows the old-style Benjamin 392 above the new synthetic 397. This 392 has been modified for the pump assist, but its wood buttstock remains unaltered.
After trying the new Variable Pump rifle from Benjamin I decided to see if the old wood stock from a conventional 392 would fit. It did, which gave me the idea to replace it.
And there is the swap! Hallelujah!
Seriously — I spent money to have reader Vana2 make me a wood stock that lowered my face to the place where I could see those sights again. And that rifle costs $120 more than the subject 362. I don’t see a long life for the Benjamin. The 362, on the other hand, is Crosman’s red cape to the airgun world. They are saying, “Hey, we don’t always go to China for our airguns. Some we make right here in New York.” And, from what readers who have shot them have said, the 362 is a multi-pump to consider.
The rifle
The Crosman 362 is a .22-caliber multi-pump pneumatic air rifle. It is a dedicated single shot, which BB Pelletier applauds. Since it is a multi-pump, a single shot is the sensible way to go.
The rifle is encased in a synthetic stock, which tells me Crosman plans to make them by the hundreds of thousands. You don’t lay out the bucks for plastic molds for a run of 5,000 stocks.
When I picked it up to my shoulder I liked it. The stock is slender and gripping where it should be. The length of pull is on the short side for an adult, at 13.25-inches. The overall length of the rifle is 36.62-inches with a weight of 5 pounds on the nose. I checked it with my kitchen scale which said 4 lbs. 8.3 oz.
The thick butt pad is a ribbed black rubber that is very grippy. It gives a solid feel when the rifle is shouldered.
The sights
Okay, Crosman — please gather all your executives and have them bring their coffee cups as BB Pelletier is about to heap some praise on you! The front sight is a SQUARED BLACK BLADE! The rear sight is a PEEP! And, you made the peep both inexpensive and adjustable! Ain’t no fiberoptics to be seen on this rifle!
Wow! Somebody listened. Or everybody! These sights are exactly what real shooters want. Don’t you worry, we will school the newbies on why they don’t need fiberoptics to hit things. We will show them that at short distances with a plain post, rifles that are capable of hitting dimes will go up to hitting quarters with fiberoptics.
If dime-sized groups are possible when there is no fiberoptic dot, quarter-sized groups at the same distance would be the results of the fiberoptic.
Yes, the lead photo shows a green fiberoptic in the front. That is a stock photo and it’s wrong.
Crosman — you listened and took a chance on us. I believe you will receive your reward.
Now the rear sight also has a notch that can be substituted for the peep. But unless you hold the face way back on the stock the notch is too close to your eye to work. The peep is the way to go.
The only shortcoming is the receiver is plastic, short and not grooved for a scope or dot sight. Now Crosman says you can use their 459MT adaptors that clamp to the barrel and provide an 11mm dovetail for scope mounts to attach, but that isn’t the way I wish to mount a scope. If Crosman had grooved this plastic receiver I would have tried mounting to it, but to the airgun world plastic is not good stuff.
I know you have all heard that the 362 will accept a steel breech and I think Hard Air Magazine has the best report on how to make the swap. I plan to follow it because I plan to purchase this rifle and make the swap. Y’all aren’t going to let me do anything less, I think. And yes, Y’all is an approved Texas contraction. Back to the 362.
Trigger
The trigger blade is plastic and the pull is single stage. Okay, on my test rifle the trigger does move back just a little when I pull. That’s against a spring. Then it stops and when I pull harder it breaks. I call that a two-stage trigger, but after my debacle with the Dragonfly trigger I’m not going there again. It’s a single-stage trigger with a definite breaking point — just like a two-stage.
Bolt handle too short
The bolt handle is on the short side, as in “too short.” It could stand to be 1/2-inches to 3/4-inches longer.
‘Merkun made
The 362 is made in New York. That’s a good thing, because it’s made alongside the 1300 family, which means a world of options for “Those Who Tune”. I imagine reader GunFun1 is now going to take over the blog! More power to him. I plan to read his stuff right along with the rest of you. But I ain’t done yet.
Being a ‘Merkun-made multi-pump means you don’t have to cock the bolt to pump air into the rifle. I always leave at least one pump in the gun and I advise you to, as well, and the 362 allows you to just do it.
Power
Crosman and Pyramyd AIR both tell us to expect 875 f.p.s. from this .22-caliber pellet rifle. Obviously that is with lightweight pellets, but still! If the 362 even comes close to that velocity BB Pelletier declares that the days are numbered for the Benjamin Variable Pump rifles. I can’t wait for the velocity test, which comes tomorrow because of the new blog format.
The manual says to pump the rifle between 2 and 8 times. The description on the Pyramyd AIR website says 3 to 8. I plan to test 2 through 8 pumps.
Sadly
Okay, there is no wood stock. Guys like reader Hank can fix that, but for guys like Michael and me it either means spending bucks or living with what’s there. At this point what’s there feels okay to me.
The short bolt needs correcting because cocking the rifle takes a little effort. I bet with the steel breech a new bolt will be the right thing to do.
Beside that I can’t see anything that’s not to shout about. I sure hope this one tests out fast and accurate!
Summary
Guys we may be in on what could be the birth of an icon. Only time will tell, but this is where it starts.
B.B.,
What’s the degree of parts commonality with the 1377 and 1322? That rear sight sounds exactly like a 1300 series, as does the too-short bolt handle and lack of a simple optics mounting option.
Crosman does need to seriously consider a way they can include some kind of optics mounting option though. The hassle needed to mount optics (breech change or the barrel clamp intermounts) is a much bigger disadvantage for a rifle than a pistol. Even without a good scope option, a length or two of rail to allow using a red dot would be a big improvement.
Cheers,
Nathan
Nathan,
As Hoppalong Doc mentions below you can pay Pyramyd AIR to install the steel breech for you before they ship it to you. Then again doesn’t Crosman have a Custom Shop? Maybe they want customers to go through that hoop first?
Siraniko
Last time I checked the Custom Shop was closed.
birdie
Nope,, it must be open because I had them put the steel receiver on mine about a month ago. Nothing on the website to tell you that, tho. You have to call and ask. It’s about $45 for the receiver and they charge $25 to put it on. I watched a youtube video of it being done about a day after I put my order in and it didn’t look too hard to do.
I haven’t been able to shoot it enough to even sight it in with the scope I installed as the weather took a turn about the time I tried. I am hoping to get the chance this week, tho.
Ed
Nathan,
I myself would prefer the peep to a scope. I find a scope is good for fifty+ yards, but 25 and under a peep is much better. I also really like a good quality perlkorn.
If you swap out the breech for the metal one, you will have your wish.
I see that Pyramyd does indeed offer a steel breech up-grade for a mere $25, or $44 installed. It’s looking like Crosman really is listening to we airgunners by being made in ‘Merika and by offering upgrades like the steel breech, thus allowing those youngsters who don’t understand peep sights to scope their new Crosman pumper. If readers do install a scope, I imagine that it would have to be pretty tough to take the vibration this pumper is likely to cause. Am I thinking correctly here? This gun sounds like a fun toy for my desert wanderings. Orv
Since all the Crosman executives are listening in, can the loud clapping sound of the pump arm closing be quieted–permanently? We must have the technology by now! Heck, my old 760 made the same sound 40 years ago: CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP CLAP, shoot, repeat. The whole neighborhood knew I was getting ready to shoot something. It was honestly louder than the shot.
RG,
Use a rubber baby buggy bumper.
get some stick-on rubber dots and try those.
Thanks, RidgeRunner. Tried that, though. They fell out. There is not enough of a flat surface inside the spot that generates the “CLAP.” But I will keep trying stuff. Just had two new ideas.
Try a piece of the fuzzy half of a small velcro pad. It can be cut to size and already has adhesive on it.
TJKing, I can’t reply directly to you, but thanks. Now I have 3 new ideas to try.
RG, I agree. They should put some type of buffer in there. It makes a big old “clack”. But overall, not too difficult to pump.
I tried the Crosman 459 scope mount on a 1377. Sorry, but they are junk. I put steel breeches on my 1377 and 1322 and mounted rifle scopes. They need to deal with this.
If I am not mistaken, the metal breech will come with its own bolt, and it will have a longer handle on it. The one from Baker Airguns is aluminum and has a steel bolt that is considerably longer and has a bigger knob on the end. You can get it in left or right hand.
I also know another place where you can get real fancy if you want.
PS: Y’all is an approved contraction throughout the South. Them thar Yankees say you’uns.
In Pittsburgh, which is neither Northeast or Midwest, but sometimes either, or both, they have transformed “you’uns” into “youns.” As in, “Youns need to put fries in that sammich when youns are in da ‘Burgh.” Love da ‘Burgh.
RG
Yep have said that before too. You’uns.
RR
Us Midwest southern Illinios folk say ya all and you’uns.
You don’t even want to hear country boy slang. I’ll be get’n kicked off the blog. 😉
I am an Appalachian-American. You can likely imagine what my native language must sound like.
RR
I bet I could imagine. 🙂
Just so everyone out there in Lala Land knows, the metal breech is the same one for the Disco/Maximus/160. It will also fit the 13XX, 24XX and 25XX pistols. I put one on my 2450 with the left-hand bolt. Awesome.
RR,
We had better check with Gunfun1 about those breeches. I believe the small front hold-down screws are in different locations. I believe on the disco / maximus breech the mounting screw location was moved rearward to solve the problem of pellets hanging up in the breech when loading. If not mistaken this required a new hammer with a machined out spot to allow it to go forward and not make contact with the screw in its new location. The pistol breech fits just fine, currently have 02 of them parked on 362’s.
I wish the disco breech would work as it doesn’t have the milled cross slot for a rear sight thus giving you more wiggle room in placing scope bases. If you want to drill and tap a new hole in the pump tube and switch hammers it probably would work just fine.
Been really looking forward to this report!
BobF
Bob
Here is the one for the 362. The small screw is forward.
/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387
The small screw is towards the rear on the Disco and Maximus.
You can also use the steel breech for these guns and turn your 362 into a .177 caliber gun if you have a .177 Disco or Maximus barrel. Again the small screw is forward.
/product/crosman-177-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-1377-1740-1760-pc77-air-guns?a=4386
Also note the bolt handle is short on the steel breech for the breeches that are noted. If you want a long bolt handle get the Disco or Maximus schematic and order the bolt handle for those 2 guns. They will screw right into the steel breeches that come with the short bolt handles.
Hope that helps. Thanks for giving me a holler Bob about the breeches.
Gunfun!,
Thanks for refreshing my memory bank! I was pretty sure I had read somewhere about Crosman moving those screw hole locations. Easier pellet loading was just a guess on my part. See, I did miss out on not picking up a Disco way back when.
Don’t know why everyone wants a longer bolt handle? The easiest way to cock a 362 is to put your thumb pad on the pump tube cap, hook your index finger around the handle shaft and pull. Any extra shaft length really isn’t needed. The index finger rides right down the receiver in a nice straight line. If you add length and grasp the ball it forces the bolt to work at an angle not parallel with the receiver bore. This sounds to me to be a fix to a nonexistent problem. Just my two cents on the subject.
Thanks again for the info!
BobF
Bob
It was a better idea for pellet loading with the rear mount screw location. But makes it more of a pain to change the breech. So for me both I can deal with. You just got to learn some little loading knacks with the front screw breeches. And it’s very simple. Just rest your index finger on the pellet when you push the bolt forward on the front mount breeches. When you get your pointing finger pressure right the pellet will glide right into the barrel. And guarentee you will be rewarded with good accuracy.
And yes the thumb behind the breech and pointing finger on the bolt is a very easy way to cock any bolt. Extra leverage is a good thing in this case.
I am afraid that I must plead ignorance in this matter. I have not as of yet looked at the two breeches side by side.
Drill, tap, switch parts? I like to tinker, but serious mods when I can get a part that fits? Naw.
RR
Maybe after Crosman reads our comments they will see that they should of put the steel breech on in the first place.
Even if they would of charged more for the gun I would of paid it if they already had the steel breech on the gun.
GF1,
That would remove one of the modifications. My 2240 came with the plastic breech also. They probably would call it the 372 and charge for the breech and the labor of putting it on.
RR
As far as putting a steel breech on the 362 on the production line it would be no more work for them than the plastic breech. So the only cost raise would be the cost of the steel breech.
GF1,
You know better than that. That is not how it is done. They either charge for the extra labor or they set up a different production line. Either way it costs more.
RR
You would think Crosman was smarter than that by now setting up another line. But yep I’m sure they are smart enough to charge more for labor.
RR
Nope the Disco and Maximus steel breeches don’t fit directly to the 362. You can’t put the small screw in. You can put the Disco and Maximus steel breech on the guns that use the forward mount small screw but the breech won’t be held down tight other than where the barrel passes through a front barrel band clamp. It’s a little tricky to get a rear small screw breech to fit on a front small screw gun.
But also I have found some guns main air tube drilled for the forward and rear small screw on older guns in a given time period. You don’t see much of them.
And that’s what happens when we get involved with part swapping. Dealt with this on all the muscle cars back in the day. Old news for Gunfun1. 😉
IIRC, when a steel breech is installed a new peep will have to be installed. Will the front sight be high enough for an added peep?
4:46 central
That’s a great question. I want to know the answer, too.
TJKing-RG,
My #02 362 sports a Redfield receiver sight scrounged off an old Savage 22/20GA. over under. It seems to shoot just fine with the factory front. It will probably be trial and error till you find a peep that’s the right height for that particular front blade . The big limiting factor is finding a receiver sight for a 3/8 dovetail as this will really limit your selection.
If you are going to shoot with just the peep, there is nothing wrong with the one that came with the rifle. I performed a shoot off between my 362’s. One with the steel breech/Redfield combo VS the stock factory rifle with the plastic breech still attached. Guess what——- I couldn’t see any big difference between the two out to 30 yds. The Redfield just gives you the capability for more vertical adjustment. Remember, they are both just basically a hole to look through to center the front sight.
Have at it!
BobF
I have used Williams sights on various guns.
BobF, thanks for this piece of info, as I do plan to get one and shoot it with a peep sight; I will just play with the stock one for awhile; thanks again. 🙂
thedavemyster,
I have to apologize for not replying to you sooner but I’ve been putting in two new blueberry rows the last few days so not much blog reading going on. If you do pick up a 362 you will have MAX fun with it! For the money it”s a really nice gun.
I will pass on something I did see about the factory sight. The rear sight blade pulls double duty. One end has the peep hole and the other has a regular notch configuration. To switch between the two just loosen the elevation adjustment lockdown screw and spin the steel plate 180 deg. What I found when using the peep hole at max vertical adjustment was that light was coming in around the bottom edges of that steel plate because they rounded the outside edges on the notch side of the sight plate. It might not bother you at all but it sure does me. Problem solved with a piece of black electrical tape. Depending on your eye position when you have the rifle mounted the peep hole may be too large or too small to suit your taste. Too small is easy to remedy, that’s what drill bitts are for. I personally wouldn’t worry about too large, with a little practice you can do some really good work with an oversized peep hole. It’s all about letting the right amount of light through for your eye to utilize. Most guys I know that actually hunt with receiver sights myself included, just remove the eyepiece and use the threaded hole as the rear sight. Why, it lets more light through in low light conditions and gives you a much bigger field of view with that eye. Oh, remember with a peep you shoot with both eyes open and focus on that front sight!
Hope I haven’t bored you to death with my rambling tonight.
BobF
I’ve had my C362 for three weeks. I took it out of the box, pumped it five times, then shot three CPHP’s freehand from 10 yds at a steel target at a one inch aperture with a bell disk behind it. All three were hits! Then, I put up a paper target, moved back 10M, set up and shot off a bipod. Walked over to see where it landed and saw this. There was some luck in all that, but it is a very nice little gun, and it hits pretty hard. I would rate it as good a shooter as my Sheridans. Tom, I thought it was correct to leave one pump in the gun, although Crosman did not have that in their rather simple instructions. This gun impressed with those first few shots, and I think it is an absolute winner. I agree with your comments 100%. For now, I am happy to shoot with the stock peep sight, but I think it would be accurate enough to hit a squirrel at 30 yds with a red dot sight or scope.
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JerryC,
Page is unavailable now. Is what the link displays to me.
Siraniko
In Western NC, “you’uns” is pretty common. I never heard that in the Memphis area or in Texas. I ordered another 362 today, with a metal breech. You’uns have me even more convinced it is a true winner. I’m going to gift one to a young local man who helped cut some trees here. He had said he wanted it for squirrels, and I think it will be ideal for that, if the cocking noise does not scare them away.
This was the first shot on a paper target, Siraniko
Jerry
That is the way 10 yard and 10 meter groups are suppose to look like with a accurate gun.
Not stirring the pot with BB’s testing system but on most guns the 10 yard 10 meter accuracy test should be eliminated. If anything it would save BB alot of time.
GF, I generally agree. My five shot groups (just a few so far) with the 362 were more like 1/2 inch from 10 M, and that is not what I call great.
To me, a good rifle should do <3 MOA, which would mean 0.3 inch groups at ten yards.
At ten meters, a quarter sized group is over 8 MOA, dime sized = 6.5 MOA and neither is good grouping in my book. Still, a brand new gun, sighting on paper and getting a 10X bull on shot #1 was a pleasant surprise.
Jerry
For some reason that group in the picture of the target looks smaller than a 1/2 inch.
Either way still a nice round group.
That was a one shot group. 🙂
B.B.
Aren’t you tired of pumping by now?
-Y
Yogi,
Well, multi-pumps are tough to test, but they’re fun to shoot.
BB
Exercise will do that. I recall BB was looking for ways to exercise to build up his endurance for pistol shooting. Perhaps this is the way to help with that? Keep on pumping BB! :o)
Right idea, wrong muscle groups.
-Y
Yogi
Wrong muscle groups. Ain’t heard that in some time.
There ain’t (no) wrong muscle groups.
They all need work to get right.
BB-
First off, errata- ‘The rifle’ section- third para, first sentence- ‘…to my shoulder it (I) liked it.’
And, same para, last sentence was unfinished. What DID your scale say?
You say no fiber optic sights, yet lead photo shows a green light pipe front sight? And frankly, I don’t understand the hate for fiber optics. I have some guns with them and they are okay. They are definitely quicker to pick up in all lighting conditions and when it gets dark enough, they are the only things still working without going to an optic or electro optic. For paper punching a target peep and appropriate sized front globe and insert is the bomb. But, I do more than shoot holes in paper and measure and calculate. I get bored too easily. Time to pick up an easy carrying shootin stick and head back the lane to the woods. Targets of opportunity in abundance and not a single one of them rolled off a printing press. Sorry for the rant, but I still like to think that I am a ‘real shooter’, too.
Paco,
Wow! Lots for you to find! Everything is updated.
BB
“Ain’t no fiberoptics to be seen on this rifle!”
Yay for you, Crosman! Way to go! I will buy one of these for that reason alone. 🙂
Tom,
I have had the model 362 for several weeks now and I’m really excited about it. I think you were right about everything you’ve said so far about the gun and its potential. I’m OK with a plastic breach as long as it’s high-quality and sturdy enough but this one on the 362 has some play and would not be a good mounting surface for a scope.
I’m excited to see what you will get in terms of accuracy but I have been very pleased so far with the air arms 15.8 g.
Really like the peep site.
Thanks for your hard work,
Erik
Erik
What kind of shooting do you do?
B.B.,
5 pounds! That I like very much. My damaged shoulders (I used to be bench press crazy) rejoice. I also applaud the cocking lever terminating so close to the trigger guard. As Newton might have said, “Give me a long enough lever, and I can move the world.”
Michael
Morning Y’all,
There will be a lot of talk about this one here in the comments. I got my S/N….100 as soon as I heard they were available and I had the same good experience as Jerry above: good accuracy out of the box aiming with the peep and shooting CPHPs. It comfortable to use, it hits hard and is nowhere near as difficult to pump as my 397. I usually pump it four times to shoot ten meters, instead of three pumps, because pumping this one isn’t that much work. I’m experimenting with different ways to quiet down the clackety-clack of the pumping arm and yes, Crosman might (please) make a fix for that in the future.
Regarding adding the steel breech, I may leave it just the way it is. We’ll see about that over time. I like it and am really happy that I bought it!
Will
BB and all.
Yes the 362 is a great little pump rifle.
And yes the Discovery and Maximus barrels and steel breeches and 2260 barrel and breech will fit the 362. And even barrels from the 1322/77’s and 2240 and 2250 if for some crazy reason you would want a short barrel on your 362. And also the trigger assembly from the above pistols will work on the 362 with a 1399 stock. And even the fully adjustable 2 stage Marauder pistol grip assembly will go on the 362.
The replaceable barrel and breech is one of the biggest things I like about the 362 over the 392. But as I said before a simple wood stock would of made me start jumping for joy. The synthetic stock that comes on the 362 is nice though. Like BB said it handles well. It makes you feel like your shooting a smaller gun than it really is.
I have the steel breech on mine and a scope. It still feels light. Very comfortable easy gun to shoot and accurate. But I will wait and see what BB’s gun is like when he does the accuracy test.
And in my opinion everyone should own a 362. It’s just one you want to have around to grab for some fun shooting but strong enough for pesting. I say Crosman definitely has a winner.
Crosman 362 or Dragonfly Mark 2 in .22? Thoughts from all are welcome. Anyone own both yet?
RG
You replied to me. First off that is a bad question to ask Gunfun1.
In this paticular case Gunfun1 chooses both guns. Well depending on how the DG2 does when BB does more accuracy tests. I know how my 262 does. I don’t have a DG2 so I’m waiting for more of BB’s tests on it.
But I really do believe if I did not have either gun I would own both.
Roamin Greco, I couldn’t decide either, but I’m kind of with Gunfun1 on this one; I ordered a Dragonfly Mark 2 that I wish to scope for longer range use (and I hope for it to be easier to scope due to the light pumping effort); however, after reading all the great things about the Crosman 362, I decided that I need one of those, too, to be used with peep sights; I kind of want if for a “garage gun,” a gun to keep in our (detached) garage where I spend a lot of time working; that way, if I need an airgun quickly, I’ll have one right at hand without having to go back into the house to get one…sounds like a pretty good justification to get another airgun, does it not? Hahaha! 🙂
As good as any that I’ve heard around here. ;o)
It sure would be nice to have Crosman make .20cal barrels. The 362/7 pretty much are identical in power as the Benji 392/7 and so would the .20cal be similar to the Sheridan. Also easier to scope and put a sound supressor on.
Hey Y’all,
O.K. Here’s the story behind Y’all, if all y’all will put up with my being pedantic, but this is part of what I did for a living for 31 years as a professor of English. “You” is both singular and plural. Therefore, to one person I would say, “Are you ready?” To a group of people I would say, “Are you ready?” No difference to distinguish between singular and plural.
People subconsciously do not like that there is no difference, which leads to one saying to a group of people, “Are you-all ready?” It is a natural tendency of English to create contractions of commonly used phrases; therefore, “You-all” eventually became “Y’all.” “Y’all is a contraction of “You-all.” That is how we have “Are y’all ready?” (and in Chicago, “Are youse ready?”).
In a prescriptive dictionary (one that shows how we should use a language, such as “The Oxford Dictionary of American English”) “Y’all” is described as non-standard English (usually abbreviated ns). In a descriptive dictionary (one that shows how we do use language, such as “The American Heritage Dictionary of English”) Y’all has no identification as correct or incorrect because descriptive dictionaries consider no colloquial usage incorrect.
As fellow Chicagoan Dennis Franz would say, “Does all dat make sense to youse?”
Michael
Michael, yinz made me smile.
Michael,
Now tell us about “ain’t”.
Half
Half,
Ain’t is a contraction of “am not.”
Michael
Michael
I said am not alot when I was a kid. In the other context. I think I learned ain’t before I said moma and popa. 🙂
Micheal,
So the Fats Domino tune is “Am Not That a Shame”?
You gonna work on your Mark IV’s trigger?
Half
Half, if I try to work on it, I will probably kill it. :^(
Michael,
I’m gonna “one up” everyone else that has made an offer. We gotta get you over this “complex”. So, if you will attempt the trigger job that I pointed you to for your Umarex Mark IV, and you end up with one more dead gun, I will order and have shipped to you, a brand new replacement. I will never miss the cost of the gun, if it comes to that, because I’m doin’ OK, financially, and I am confident that you can do it. The one caveat is that you promise to never criticize my over use of commas. Deal?
Half
Half,
I have always considered it rude to correct anyone’s usage, grammar or mechanics (spelling, punctuation, capitalization) (other than my students on their papers in handwritten notes, which was part of my job). It’s meanness of that sort that has given English teachers a bad reputation.
Regarding a trigger job on the Ruger, I’ll watch the vid again and look at photos. Maybe I’ll tackle it, but thank you no on your generous offer. Being out the $50 for a new unspoiled one will be my extra motivation. :^)
Michael
Michael,
English teachers get nothing but respect from me. My favorite teacher and a man that served as a role model and mentor for me, in my father’s absence, was my 8th grade English teacher, Wallace J. Fox. Mr. Fox taught me and a number of other young kids in our poor neighborhood how to dine in what we called a “sitdown” restaurant. He rewarded us, as the staff members, with dinner after we published the school paper each month. He was the one that noticed that my grades didn’t reflect my apparent intellect and sent me to the nurse to have my eyes tested. Got glasses and was pretty much an “A” student through the rest of my public school and apprentice-required training. He made a big deal of the fact that I found so many examples of our vocabulary words and clever double entendres in the comic books that I was addicted to at the time. He did many things to boost my self-confidence. Hell, I’m gettin’ a little teary eyed just thinkin’ back on it. LOL At any rate, as an English teacher, in my book at least, you’re one of the goodin’s out there.
Half
Half,
Thank you for your kind words. I hope I was a good teacher for my students.
And good for Mr. Fox for encouraging your comic book reading! Many English teachers used to discourage that because they thought of comic books as low-brow writing. My opinion is that the more reading, regardless of what the material is, the better.
Michael
Half
Ain’t is declared a word in the dictionary some time back.
Sometimes I ain’t expecting something like that but I was happy to see it. 🙂
Now I have to buy 2 dictionaries–one for how we SHOULD write and one for how we do. Thank you.
Half, the word ain’t isn’t, but if it is used enough, it is. :o)
Roamin,
In my professional opinion, you ought to have just one dictionary of American English, a descriptive one such as The American Heritage (1st choice), Webster’s New World Dictionary, or Meriam Webster Dictionary. The most bang for your buck is without question a “college edition” of one of these. That is about 4 inches thick, full height and depth, and hardcover. A used one 10 years old or less is dirt cheap and just fine.
In casual speech or writing, or to produce a “folksy” stylistic effect, y’all and ain’t are perfectly fine. My opinion is that anyone in 2022 who is bothered by the use of those two phrases in those contexts is wound too tight.
Michael
Michael, I defer to you, and all joking aside, happen to agree. Here are the three cornerstones of my career. The dictionary and thesaurus are a well-worn set that my older and wiser sister gifted to me when I graduated from high school. You can’t see it, but there is duct tape holding the box together that they sit in. In the Thesaurus, she wrote, “Remember that all that is ever really needed is a well-chosen word.”
I credit my two high school English teachers with any success I may have in my career and in any ability I may have in the writing department. They were tough, but so are the hammers that blacksmiths use, though their tool of choice was a red pen. I continue the tradition when I review my kids’ homework.
And here is the enty for “ain’t” in case anyone is curious.
RG
I have no problem knowing how to do that. As well as how to speak propper and how ole country boy Gunfun1 speaks. 😉
Gunfun1, you are a classic!
RG
Thank you. I think. 🙂
Hallooo, how are you? I speak English! I learned it from a boook! And from good language teachers, English-speaking family friends, relatives and by watching serials and movies in English with Spanish subtitles when FM was a mere sprout. Funny thing, over time English learned and practiced proficiency overcame Spanish-speaking native skills. Still able to read and understand a Gamo manual in Spanish, though.
FM loves the earthy Anglo-Saxon tongue, which has been supplemented by various regional dialects and accents, mostly Western NC, via Mrs. FM and her beloved Southern family, y’all.
It is good learn to speak and write in other languages – keeps the old brain working gooder longer. May be time to pick up a little Russian; already know a few useful phrases in that tongue, such as “rukhi verkh!” “Hands up!” 😉
Basil,
Not a hammer sandwich! 😉
BB
Hard to digest, BB; pulled pork sandwich better.
FM
My dad was blessed with understanding different languages and playing old folk songs with the guitar from different languages. He would occasionally sing his favorite song in that language when he played the guitar. Will never forget that it made us dance and old Gunfun1 could verily do that. Another memory of times gone by.
FM
Suppose to say from different nationalities.
Anyone else having trouble getting STPAT12 to work? I just tried to place an order (yes, on eligible items) and it wouldn’t work.
B.B.,
Thanks to your encouragement and Tyler’s assurances (thank you Tyler), I decided to re-order one Seneca Dragonfly Mark 2, in .177. I’ll tack on a $39.99 extended warranty, too.
Here’s hoping May 11 comes early this year! :^)
Michael
“Here’s hoping May 11 comes early this year!”
Michael, I second that! 🙂
Now if they would just bring KMart back. These would likely be near all the Zebco fishing rods and tackle, near case of Buck knives behind glass. Don’t mess with crossbows too much.. and pounds of Sail pipe tobacco for $5, unless yer into Borkum Riff cherry flavor.
Shoot; Y’all never know, it might be a blue light special when you go. Bricks of .22lr for not very much. This looks like a great upgradable rifle that you dont have to mess with right out of the box.
When I lived in Dillwyn, Va, we had to drive to Richmond for a nite out, in a Suburban. It had a 454 in it. Those days are gone.
Best, Rob
Rob
Rob
I remember those Kmart days. I grew up with them.
And the next stop was the skating rink. Try to git some.. phone numbers.
Last stop. Dunkin donuts; for that long ride home. I miss the smell of a wood fire too.
Rob
Rob
No Dunkin donuts when I was a kid but yes on the other stuff. How about them good ole days.
A Captain Black man, myself.
You all
There is a pump technique I learned in my pre teens with my pump guns to silence the clack.
You use your fingers and thumb close to the pump handle to hang over a little and cushion the hit to the main air tube. And it doesn’t take much over hang or contact. For one thing you’ll end up with blood blisters if you go too far.
But the big trick is kind of back off the handle before contact. Kind of like your pulling away from the maintube before contact.
Once you do it enough you will be able to make your pump stroke silent and still make full closed with the pump handle.
Another one of those practice makes perfect things.
Do you mean like when my thumb knocks the safty on with my Sig 1911 bb gun? I just lent my brother my laser dot equiped Emperor scorpion to compare to his belt fed Sig
pistol with micro dot on the slide. pain to adjust he says. Love the laser. Would it help if the laser dot pulsed, like the motocycle head lights do?
1stblue
Rob
Don’t know about the safety on how your Sig feels when you bump it.
And I would like to try a pulsing laser maybe. Knowing me I would get out of time with it when I shot and it would be off then I would have to skip a shot to get back in time.
Your fingers and thumb and palm of your hand act as the pump cushion. It really does work once you get the hang of it.
I grew up on pump guns pesting on the farm when I was a kid. The technique I mentioned works. As anything goes you have to practice and get the feel of it.
Gunfun1, I searched the blog, and it looks like you haven’t checked in in quite a while. I for one miss your comments, and hearing about your experiences, airgun related or otherwise. I hope all is well with you.
Will the Williams (5D-AG, part No. 70809) fit this gun with a steel breach? It says 11mm. If so that would be the sight I’d want with a steel breach. /product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003
Doc
Doc Holiday,
Yes it should. The base of the Williams sight is the same as on my 2300SLE:
/product/crosman-williams-rear-sight-notched-blade-elevation-windage-adj-3-8?a=2008
Just with the peep on top. The muzzle weight/Brake on the 2300 also has an exchangeable screw in front sight that Crosman Parts has in various heights (lengths? whichever) works for you. To get POA and POI if the rear sight runs out of Elevation adjustment.
shootski
I have a 1322 with steel breech, skeleton stock,and a 4 power rifle scope. I have left the stock barell on it, as it is fun as neck to shoot with just these mods. I also have a 1377 set up thus way. I just wanted to say that the 1322 likes the cheap Crosman pointed hunter pellets. And, it likes the RWS pointed pellets maybe a bit better. I think these may be worth trying in this new 362.
I am 68 and open sights for me are no longer an option. When so try them, I see TWO front posts. Makes it rather disconcerting to say the least.
Lastl, I knew this was going to be a blockbuster of a new air gun for Crosman. Thanks to Tom here for testing it for us. For me a steel breech is mandatory. Too bad it doesn’t come with one.
birdmove, I’ve got one 1322 with a steel breech and a steel micro-adjustable rear sight, and one 1322 with the skeleton stock (shortened by 2″ to help with teaching kids to shoot) that still has the stock pistol length barrel on it; I was going to put a steel breech on the little carbine, but first I decided to mess around with the peep sight; I got good results thinning the front sight down to .065″ of an inch. As you said, these little carbines are fun as heck to shoot. 🙂
I bought a 362. I found an ambidextrous brass breech for it. This breech has two barrel screws. I felt that to be a plus because of the long barrel. It also has a flat spot on the rear so one can keep the stock rear sight. Some metal breeches do not. A stainless steel extended bolt probe has been installed too, along with a larger transfer port. I also mounted a Buck Rail silencer with a front sight post. The silencer works very well. Because of my old eyes, a BSA RD30 red dot was in order. I find the rifle very accurate. I’ll run it over the chronograph this afternoon. My biggest dislike of the gun, and it is a huge dislike, is the very loud “clapping” sound when pumping up the rifle. I have filed down the ribs inside of the pump handle. I have placed felt pads on the main tube. I even removed the magnet. While these things helped just a little, it still echos across the lake. Until a remedy is found, this rifle won’t get much trigger time from me.
DAWard,
What a testimony! I hope Crosman reads this one.
BB
I hope Crosman reads it too! I’ll also test the trigger pull in a few hours, along with a chronograph test. I’ll post my results here if that’s okay.
DAWard,
Well sure! Only could you please post them to Part two? If you scroll down on the page you’ll see the latest blog posts on the right side. Click on number two, which is at the top of those listed, and you’ll go there.
BB